Random Drug Testing in Schools (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

That's horse ####. That's going to affect their college admissions if they choose not to submit to this nanny-state nonsense. I'd tell the school to eat a bag of Dix. 

Props to EG. F Fascist BS at every level

 

[Borden]

I know I was born too late as it is, but I feel for teenagers these days. Cyber bullying, random drug testing in schools, can't go to a party without 26 cameras streaming it live to the internet. Christ, it's gotta suck being young today. 

The big one though is that it gives a kid a reason to say no. Having this new stuff going on plus adding in drugs to a developing brain likely isn’t going to help.

Edit: Or they are going to use more drugs that are quickly out of their system faster. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Well, I do think it is well intended.  It is at least worthy of dialogue.  I know of 6 former graduates who have died of overdoses in the past couple years. 

So sad to hear.I've had several former students OD over the last few years. It's awful. Sorry to hear about the losses. 

 

[Galileo]

I would need to judge every extracurricular activity that triggered their entry into the random drug testing program. Each should be judged individually. 

Again, I can only speak to the policy being considered at our school...others are certain to be different.  it includes any activity that is board approved and school sponsored (ie school pays advisor) that is not connected with an academic grade.  

 

[Ilov80s]

Again, I can only speak to the policy being considered at our school...others are certain to be different.  it includes any activity that is board approved and school sponsored (ie school pays advisor) that is not connected with an academic grade.  

I get the legal side of the school. The school wants kids to have a pass to park on the lot, they want proof you aren't on drugs and a danger to the others parking on the lot. Sure. I just remember when students could just park in a public lot without having to turn over their urine. 

 

[Galileo]

So sad to hear.I've had several former students OD over the last few years. It's awful. Sorry to hear about the losses. 

It sucks.  A few years ago, I would have rallied against such a program.  But there are some serious drug issues in our society.  I am still against this random drug testing, but can understand some arguments for it and and I am open to dialogue about it as part of a comprehensive program to improve the situation.  Maybe something that is more of a parental choice to opt in to the program might be a good compromise...

 

[Hooper31]

Im for it as long as they drug test all the staff.

Where did that come from? 

Do the need to test the parents too? 

 

[rockaction]

Wildly against this type of stuff. Seems officious and unnecessary.  I think the ethos of the Tinker decision should rule here, even though the S. Ct. cut away at it later. Tinker: You do not lose your constitutional rights once you walk through the school doors.  

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The big one though is that it gives a kid a reason to say no. Having this new stuff going on plus adding in drugs to a developing brain likely isn’t going to help.

I smoked weed in high school, knowing it was illegal. I made a conscious decision to sample something that grows out of the ground, ostensibly put there by the same God that, ironically, most of the people passing legislation against it devote their lives to serving. To me, it felt hypocritical and I decided to make my own choices rather than allow people to govern my behavior. 

At the same time, I won a prestigious award for mathematical theory, won a district-wide spelling bee, was captain of both the debate team and math team (both top 10 nationally ranked,) played football, ran track, swam in the Junior Olympics, was editor in chief of the school newspaper, and was a National Merit Scholar. The principal thanked me for helping elevate the profile and reputation of the school and I was high as giraffe a## when he did it.

If I had to submit to drug tests, I would have told them to shove their extra-curriculars up their collective posterior. Both I and the school would have suffered as a result. 

Parents exist to discipline kids, schools are there to educate them. 

 

[Galileo]

I smoked weed in high school, knowing it was illegal. I made a conscious decision to sample something that grows out of the ground, ostensibly put there by the same God that, ironically, most of the people passing legislation against it devote their lives to serving. To me, it felt hypocritical and I decided to make my own choices rather than allow people to govern my behavior. 

At the same time, I won a prestigious award for mathematical theory, won a district-wide spelling bee, was captain of both the debate team and math team (both top 10 nationally ranked,) played football, ran track, swam in the Junior Olympics, was editor in chief of the school newspaper, and was a National Merit Scholar. The principal thanked me for helping elevate the profile and reputation of the school and I was high as giraffe a## when he did it.

If I had to submit to drug tests, I would have told them to shove their extra-curriculars up their collective posterior. Both I and the school would have suffered as a result. 

Parents exist to discipline kids, schools are there to educate them. 

I hear you.  My story was similar but with less awards...lol.  But I can also say I saw a lot of people get seriously ####ed because of their involvement with drugs.   There is no shortage of less successful stories out there.  

 

[Borden]

Where did that come from? 

Do the need to test the parents too? 

I think the point was that it’s hypocritical. Especially when you consider that they are supposed to be the leaders.

 

[Hector Salamanca]

Where did that come from? 

Do the need to test the parents too? 

They should.  Watch this proposal go right out the window.

 

[Mookie]

#### Scalia's dead ### with a hammer.  His stated justification for allowing drug testing in schools (Vernonia School District case) was partially because kids who participated in extracurriculars had less of an expectation of privacy because ... wait for it ... they engage in communal showering.  Dirty pervert. 

Kids involved in extracurriculars are less likely to do drugs.  And yet, some feel it's a great idea to test them because they can.  You know what the kid who wants to smoke pot after band practice is gonna do?  Quit, and smoke more pot.  Problem solved?  We should be encouraging kids to participate in extracurriculars - not creating a disincentive.  Let the parents deal with it.  

 

[Ilov80s]

Where did that come from? 

Do the need to test the parents too? 

Yeah, what was that? Let's drug test everyone then. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Wildly against this type of stuff. Seems officious and unnecessary.  I think the ethos of the Tinker decision should rule here, even though the S. Ct. cut away at it later. Tinker: You do not lose your constitutional rights once you walk through the school doors.  

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[Hector Salamanca]

I hear you.  My story was similar but with less awards...lol.  But I can also say I saw a lot of people get seriously ####ed because of their involvement with drugs.   There is no shortage of less successful stories out there.  

And for every one that becomes an addict, there's a dozen others that use recreationally and aren't a detriment to anything. 

 

[Johnny Rock]

The big one though is that it gives a kid a reason to say no. Having this new stuff going on plus adding in drugs to a developing brain likely isn’t going to help.

Edit: Or they are going to use more drugs that are quickly out of their system faster. 

Where is the evidence on your first point? Are they really being pressured to say yes? I’ve heard this narrative seemingly my whole life and I just don’t see it, especially at this super high level where the majority of a school can’t speak for themselves and needs to use the excuse "I can’t smoke it because I’ll be getting drug tested."

People that do drugs usually offer it and nothing more. Virtually nobody is badgering a non-user into doing it. A "no thanks" is all it takes.

Here’s a novel idea. How about parents, teachers and administration talk to the students? The ones that need help should be directed toward it.

This idea is as insane as the stupid Zero Tolerance Policy that takes common sense, logic and critical thinking out of the decision-making process. It’s a cop-out. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Parents can test their kid: There are cheap home tests. Parents can search rooms and look at social media/phone activity. It's not the place of the school IMO.