Randy Moss and Random Shots (1 Viewer)

[chet]

chet> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I don't have one. I don't even read Joe's. In fact, I rarely come into the Shark Pool.I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.So, when I read that the owner was really high on Randy, but his flagship draft dominating product didn't reflect that, that rubs me the wrong way. It's kind of like your financial advisor telling you that they loved Google from 100-500 and they owned it in their own accounts but not yours. I can accept if they missed it, but don't tell me you owned it for yourself but not for me.

Would you put complete faith in a financial adviser who charges you $25 a year? Your expectations are completely out of whack.

\/\/o\/\/--this place has changed.The Google analogy was meant to help people understand why I feel like I do.Are you saying that I could have gotten better projections if I'd spent more money?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

It's just a wild guess, but maybe, just maybe, Moss' health issues necessitated a lower ranking before the season started?

Also, aren't Joe and David co-owners of FBG?

Yes because the Patriots always release the correct information in regards to a players health.

 

[Buckna]

I doubt Moss finds the endzone in week two, much less goes over 100 yards.

I was curious to see how WR fared last year against the Bolts. In 17 games, only 4 WR cracked the 100-yard receiving barrier: IBruce (105), ABoldin (112), the Pats recently signed JGaffney (103), and a monster game from Ocho Cinco (260). I don't think we will see a huge game from Moss this week, but that would not really be indicative of Moss given the fact the Pats are facing the Chargers. In fact, I would be more surprised if Moss DID go over the century mark. That doesn't mean he'll bomb the rest of the way, however.

Right now I think people are wondering if the Moss of old is back or if it was a 1 week wonder play (especially all the negative rumors around the sign-stealing.) If Moss gets shutdown against the Bolts, I think that will make him a great week 3 trade target. Or at least cheaper than trying to acquire him right now.

 

[Joe T]

Link to the Joe B version of the DD?

TIA

 

[chet]

Link to the Joe B version of the DD?TIA

GB--Can I subscribe to your newsletter? Link?

 

[Marc Faletti]

I'd like to know who had Reggie Bush at #3 overall in PPR leagues. I didn't get the email today bragging about that pick.

15 games left. hopefully none of us are drafting based solely on who has a great first week.

 

[yesitsme]

What was Joe's preseason ranking of Moss? What projections are used in the DD? Is it just Joe's or is it a combination of people?

I understand what you're saying, Chet. To claim you were high on someone and then not have it reflect in the DD where really, that's the bottom line as far as Footballguys is concerned if you're not putting in your own projections.

I respect everyone on the staff. We've all made good picks and poor ones. The other thing to look at Chet is the date you may have downloaded or used it. It can change quite a bit each week, so that could be a possibility. Having Moss as WR 30 seems kind of low.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.

It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds.

If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD.

Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections.

But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

 

[yesitsme]

I'd like to know who had Reggie Bush at #3 overall in PPR leagues. I didn't get the email today bragging about that pick.

15 games left. hopefully none of us are drafting based solely on who has a great first week.

Are drafting? The drafts are done.

 

[shakeybarn]

Wait til Randy's hammy comes up lame early in the 1st quarter. That will cost teams... even if at the end of the year his stats are good, will he screw ppl a few weeks via pulling out of games and/or last minute scratch decisions a la BB toying with the injury report? Maybe, maybe not, but recent history/health shows a fair possibility.

It's early, and he's looked great in that first game....

However, the comment seems more on including his attitude.. a la "last bad apple"... to mean that means his attitude will turn humble and he'll play. Doesnt' say he'll return to form, nor be a Top 10 WR... does it?

 

[John Mamula]

From today's Random Shots:

I'll be honest. For the last couple of weeks in August I was wondering if Randy Moss was going to make me look bad. Since the NFL Draft, I'd been telling everyone who'd listen that Moss was going to be fine and that he'd be like the last "bad apple" that went to New England in Corey Dillon.

With all due respect Joe, apparantly no one on your staff got the message. Randy was ranked as WR30 pre-season and now he's WR13 after week 1. I have an issue with the owner of a company having a conviction but not making sure it gets through to the customers.

there are mixed messages and rankings every week. tough matchup in one email, but start him in the next. this is why i do not subscribe nor do i get the emails, when i can just read the news for myself on the blog. i'd rather get the news straight without all the white noise associated with it.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

So is everybody in the shark pool fine with the staff articles in regards to a player? I mean if half the staff is high on Moss and half the staff is low on him then how the hell does this help? Obviously the site can never be wrong because they will always have the "We've been telling you all along" option. I think the cheatsheets need to reflect the overall ranking instead of just one person's when you are raking in big money in fantasy football.

 

[chet]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.

It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds.

If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD.

Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections.

But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

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After setting up your league, be sure to save it. Click File Save As... and give it a new name that corresponds to your league.

Click Print->Cheat Sheets to print the Individual Position Cheatsheets and the Top 200.

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[ImTheScientist]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds. If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD. Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections. But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

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[chet]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds. If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD. Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections. But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

Very

So your first 2 posts weren't schtick? I'm still laughing at you. You must be a riot at a party. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John Mamula]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds. If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD. Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections. But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

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the question is why would the DD, that some would consider the FBG flagship product, not reflect the feelings of the owner?it makes no sense. seriously. i can see how it rubs people the wrong way that according to the DD Moss is ranked very low, but after week 1 after Moss blows up Joe throws out an "I told you so" in his email. that's just lame.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

 

[John Mamula]

Yeah, just because Joe believes something means that everyone on staff has to be lock-step with him. He is a dictator and we are all just his drones.

Not.

The way Footballguys.com is structured is that the various staffers involved in the expert ranking polls are encouraged to do our own thinking and analysis - that's why we offer so many different ways to sort through the rankings and the ability include/exclude various people if you think they are way off on QBs, or RBs, or whatever. That's why we. collectively, wrote 99 faceoffs with high side and low side analysis of the top offensive skill position players during preseason - including a faceoff on Randy Moss. Then we had the spotlights, incorporating message board opinions. And the IDP faceoffs. And tons of strategy articles. And so forth.

It is the variety and depth of opinion that we provide that allows people to come to their own conclusions about various players.

Don't try and run down Joe because he allows his staff to do their own thinking.

people still use Not jokes?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

So is everybody in the shark pool fine with the staff articles in regards to a player? I mean if half the staff is high on Moss and half the staff is low on him then how the hell does this help? Obviously the site can never be wrong because they will always have the "We've been telling you all along" option. I think the cheatsheets need to reflect the overall ranking instead of just one person's when you are raking in big money in fantasy football.

When the staff give their opinions of players, they give a detailed analysis of WHY they have that opinion.It is the WHY that is valuable.... you can make your own determination based on different people's interpretations of the facts. Prognosticating is a VERY inexact science, but it is useful to see where somebody is coming from.

 

[John Mamula]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

so are you saying he shouldn't use FBG's product?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.

It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds.

If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD.

Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections.

But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

Very

the question is why would the DD, that some would consider the FBG flagship product, not reflect the feelings of the owner?it makes no sense. seriously.

i can see how it rubs people the wrong way that according to the DD Moss is ranked very low, but after week 1 after Moss blows up Joe throws out an "I told you so" in his email. that's just lame.

It reflected the projections of 1/2 of the owners.ETA: one application cannot simultaneously reflect the opinion of both owners.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

so are you saying he shouldn't use FBG's product?

That's not what i was saying at all. I just wouldn't use it as his Bible.

 

[chet]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

It's nice that your life is dominated by FF. Congrats! I guess you're a little young to hang out with the Star Wars or Star Trek dorks.My life is not consumed by FFand that's why I pay $25 for FBG. Maybe you need to look at your priorities and figure out why/how you can devote so much time to a game. Do you still live with your parents? I'd say I hope your comment is schtick, but sadly, I thought that with another dork above, and was told IT"S NOT SCHTICK!!!!!

 

[CGRdrJoe]

So is everybody in the shark pool fine with the staff articles in regards to a player? I mean if half the staff is high on Moss and half the staff is low on him then how the hell does this help? Obviously the site can never be wrong because they will always have the "We've been telling you all along" option. I think the cheatsheets need to reflect the overall ranking instead of just one person's when you are raking in big money in fantasy football.

When the staff give their opinions of players, they give a detailed analysis of WHY they have that opinion.It is the WHY that is valuable.... you can make your own determination based on different people's interpretations of the facts. Prognosticating is a VERY inexact science, but it is useful to see where somebody is coming from.

So do I just pick one staff member and take all of his player advice? When you have 4 staff that are pro and 4 staff that are against the site really does not help me at all. Maybe if they posted winning records in WCOFF their opinions would mean more but honestly their incite is not that strong.

 

[scoobygang]

Chet, the site is not run by a single person. It can't be run by a single person. In fact the give and take between the staff and the posters is what makes this site so great.

I don't think that's what he's saying.I don't think it's a big deal, but on FBGs the projections are a signature product. I don't think Chet is bashing Joe, David or anyone else for having Moss ranked at #30. There were good reasons for that. He's pointing out that it's weird to see them backslap themselves about being right about Moss when their signature product (at least thus far) wasn't actually, you know, right.If the point is that any FBG member could have trawled through all the projections of every staff member or message board poster and found support for Moss as a stud, great. But that's true of dozens of players. And in that case, its hard to see what value FBGs is really offering in their service other than being a clearinghouse for others' ideas.Its a valid point, and anyone should be able to make it (even those of us who concede that we're not "experts" and have no desire to have anyone follow our projections).

 

[code]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

so are you saying he shouldn't use FBG's product?

That's not what i was saying at all. I just wouldn't use it as his Bible.

I don't think that was chet's point...he was saying he pays FBG for their opinion, the default projection offering ranks Moss relatively low, he performs well in week one, his ranking jumps, and Joe announces that he was high on Moss all along...

 

[Keith Lewis]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

It's nice that your life is dominated by FF. Congrats! I guess you're a little young to hang out with the Star Wars or Star Trek dorks.My life is not consumed by FFand that's why I pay $25 for FBG. Maybe you need to look at your priorities and figure out why/how you can devote so much time to a game. Do you still live with your parents? I'd say I hope your comment is schtick, but sadly, I thought that with another dork above, and was told IT"S NOT SCHTICK!!!!!

10354 posts made by you at FBG. Who is the dork who makes a thread entitled "Do you call you spouse Mommy or Daddy". No time?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

It's nice that your life is dominated by FF. Congrats! I guess you're a little young to hang out with the Star Wars or Star Trek dorks.My life is not consumed by FFand that's why I pay $25 for FBG. Maybe you need to look at your priorities and figure out why/how you can devote so much time to a game. Do you still live with your parents? I'd say I hope your comment is schtick, but sadly, I thought that with another dork above, and was told IT"S NOT SCHTICK!!!!!

10354 posts made by you at FBG. Who is the dork who makes a thread entitled "Do you call you spouse Mommy or Daddy". No time?

Joining in 03 down compared to 07? although your a shark and nobody should probably mess with you.

 

[chet]

Now we're getting somewhere.

Good postings by scooby and code above.

 

[chet]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

It's nice that your life is dominated by FF. Congrats! I guess you're a little young to hang out with the Star Wars or Star Trek dorks.My life is not consumed by FFand that's why I pay $25 for FBG. Maybe you need to look at your priorities and figure out why/how you can devote so much time to a game. Do you still live with your parents? I'd say I hope your comment is schtick, but sadly, I thought that with another dork above, and was told IT"S NOT SCHTICK!!!!!

10354 posts made by you at FBG. Who is the dork who makes a thread entitled "Do you call you spouse Mommy or Daddy". No time?

It's pretty clear you're the dork. Now run along and prepare your custom WSIS sheets. TIA!

 

[The Z Machine]

I gave up on fantasy football. Now I let other people draft for me and I just talk ####.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

It's nice that your life is dominated by FF. Congrats! I guess you're a little young to hang out with the Star Wars or Star Trek dorks.My life is not consumed by FFand that's why I pay $25 for FBG. Maybe you need to look at your priorities and figure out why/how you can devote so much time to a game. Do you still live with your parents? I'd say I hope your comment is schtick, but sadly, I thought that with another dork above, and was told IT"S NOT SCHTICK!!!!!

10354 posts made by you at FBG. Who is the dork who makes a thread entitled "Do you call you spouse Mommy or Daddy". No time?

It's pretty clear you're the dork. Now run along and prepare your custom WSIS sheets. TIA!

Start Randy Moss! Been telling people that for months..... J/KI agree with Chet on one thing is that it's annoying for people to say "I told you so".

 

[corpcow]

It's just a wild guess, but maybe, just maybe, Moss' health issues necessitated a lower ranking before the season started?

Also, aren't Joe and David co-owners of FBG?

Yes because the Patriots always release the correct information in regards to a players health.

I think that's the point. He didn't practice all preseason, and he's "not hurt bad" but with the Patriots you think it could be something bad. Thus, caution and a lower ranking.

 

[scoobygang]

I gave up on fantasy football. Now I let other people draft for me and I just talk ####.

I kind of did that for years. Fantasy football kind of IS a boring hobby. Particularly since everyone has started getting "expert" advice. So this year, I arrived at the draft completely unprepared (I did pay the subscription and download the apps, but I didn't use them other than to keep track of who got picked). I got drunk and drafted from my gut. I had a much better time. My team might suck, but at least I wasn't doing the same thing everyone else was.

 

[corpcow]

I pay for FBG to do the work--I don't have the time or the inclination to do my own projections.

So let me get this straight. You pay 25 bucks or whatever to subscribe here. You draft according to this sites cheatsheets, insert your lineups according to their projections and do absolutley nothing on your own? I don't even understand how that is any fun at all. Maybe it's time to get a new hobby, I'm sure your leaguemates are tired of having a stiff around. I guess they could look at FBGs ranking and figure out if you'd be willing to make a trade. This must be a very boring hobby for you, maybe you should take up trace art?

I'd also point out there are multiple sets of projections on this site. Chris Smith had Moss projected to be WR12 as of Sept 3rd. Bob Henry had him at WR18. Jason Wood had him at WR11. Maurile had him at WR35.

 

[corpcow]

I gave up on fantasy football. Now I let other people draft for me and I just talk ####.

I kind of did that for years. Fantasy football kind of IS a boring hobby. Particularly since everyone has started getting "expert" advice. So this year, I arrived at the draft completely unprepared (I did pay the subscription and download the apps, but I didn't use them other than to keep track of who got picked). I got drunk and drafted from my gut. I had a much better time. My team might suck, but at least I wasn't doing the same thing everyone else was.

Redraft with serpentine draft order and offensive players only is indeed getting boring for me. Dynasty, IDP, salary/contract leagues are not.

 

[Judge Smails]

C'mon. Did anybody really need even Footballguys telling us about the pros and cons of Moss?? You knew he had HOF type talent. You knew he was going to a much better passing situation with a HOF QB. He was going to a team that has a history of turning malcontents into team players. So, the only question with Moss would be a) is he healthy? and b) would NE spread the ball around so much with the signings of Stallworth and Welker that it would make him a Tier 2 WR anyway?

Anybody who didn't covet Moss early obviously felt that the risks were too great. All the info was out there. It's a decision not made in a vacuum. As an example, the LT owner probably felt comfortable in taking a risk on a guy like Moss. The Gore/SAlex owners, maybe not so much.

The guy who drafted Moss in round 3 in our 12 teamer was almost laughed at. He's laughing now. And it nothing to do with projections on this or any other site. Weak, weak argument by the OP.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Boy, ad hominem attacks are just so much fun.

i don't think that phrase means what you think it meanshere's a link for you: Ad hominem

HTH

 

[harryhood]

I also agree with Chet here and this take NOTHING away from the great work the staff does here. But to be honest, when I read that blurb from JB, I also raised an eyebrow. I have been a subscriber fr multiple years and I usually do use FBG as a measuring stick compared to what I am thinking.

I just think his point was that he wishes he was informed of JB's masterful hunch, instead of using DD and drafting him based on what he thought the head hancho's had him ranked at(WR30)

 

[pigskinliquors]

I also agree with Chet here and this take NOTHING away from the great work the staff does here. But to be honest, when I read that blurb from JB, I also raised an eyebrow. I have been a subscriber fr multiple years and I usually do use FBG as a measuring stick compared to what I am thinking. I just think his point was that he wishes he was informed of JB's masterful hunch, instead of using DD and drafting him based on what he thought the head hancho's had him ranked at(WR30)

I also don't see anywhere where said "hancho" has stated he'd play well. I have seen him post that "he'll be fine" which I interpreted as not being a trouble maker, but I don't see any actual projections saying he'll do well on the field.

 

[Disco Stu]

C'mon. Did anybody really need even Footballguys telling us about the pros and cons of Moss?? You knew he had HOF type talent. You knew he was going to a much better passing situation with a HOF QB. He was going to a team that has a history of turning malcontents into team players. So, the only question with Moss would be a) is he healthy? and b) would NE spread the ball around so much with the signings of Stallworth and Welker that it would make him a Tier 2 WR anyway?Anybody who didn't covet Moss early obviously felt that the risks were too great. All the info was out there. It's a decision not made in a vacuum. As an example, the LT owner probably felt comfortable in taking a risk on a guy like Moss. The Gore/SAlex owners, maybe not so much.The guy who drafted Moss in round 3 in our 12 teamer was almost laughed at. He's laughing now. And it nothing to do with projections on this or any other site. Weak, weak argument by the OP.

Nothing in this post has anything to do with the argument by the OP.

 

[switz]

Someone please lock this thread. It's painfully obvious the OP lost, and didn't bother doing any research before his draft, and expected his $25 to remove an culpability for not using his own brain.

 

[Nipsey]

This is a great thread.

My beef is the site pimps speculation over information. Every year we have these boom or bust guys(usually dealing with some kind of injury) that get glossed over. Last year a guy like Culpepper, this year guys like McNabb, Moss. All we get is opinion about the guy rather than specific information about their progress.

Someone started a thread this year with answers from John Clayton that he gave at some conference. Pretty detailed stuff that John gathered from actually speaking to sources within the organizations themselves. One snippet I read is how Clayton was relatively sure Josh McCown will be the starter in Oakland. Hmmm. Now all along this site (FBG) is pimping daunte saying they believe he will be the starter. Based on what? How's he's looked against soon-to-be UPS employees? Cut to a few days before the season and what do you know...McCown is the starter. (Granted, the injury to McCown makes it all moot, just an example) I know what you're thinking...who cares about the Oakland QB situation? Guys in real leagues, that's who.

Chet is absolutely right here. Instead of pre season article after article with unreadable charts and unnecessary speculation, how about some hard information on those boom or bust guys? I gained nothing from the site about Moss's off-season/pre-season other than a lower than normal ranking for a guy who seemingly had lost a step. This is a guy who will win leagues for owners. So after months of being down on the him and instructing the "sharks" not to waste a high pick on the guy....now you tell us you loved him all along after he looks like Superman in week one? Maddening. And no, I don't want a refund.

Flame away sharks. I love the site and respect David and Joe, but Chet's right here.

 

[jurb26]

You knew he had HOF type talent. You knew he was going to a much better passing situation with a HOF QB. He was going to a team that has a history of turning malcontents into team players.

Actually, a ton of people around here tried all off-season so convince us that none of the above was true. We were told:Moss has lost his physical abilities and is over the hill.NE spreads the ball around too much for Moss to put up great numbers.Moss will always have an attitude problem and never fit in.

 

[corpcow]

Boy, ad hominem attacks are just so much fun.

i don't think that phrase means what you think it meanshere's a link for you: Ad hominem

HTH

No, I know what it means. I was referring to the inevitable downward spiral from "here's my point" to "you're a dork who posts about what you call your spouse".

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Apparently you not only don't have the time to do your own projections, but you also don't have the time to read any of the directions or understand how the FBG apps work.

It's pretty clear that the default projections in the DD are just those of Dodds.

If you want projections of others besides Dodds, you need to open up the Projections Dominator and set it up to weigh other staff members' projections. You then import those into the DD.

Somebody at FBG can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Joe even submits his individual projections. It's Dodds's job to do the "official" default projections.

But it's definitely been clear that Joe has been high on Moss ever since he got traded to NE. All you had to do was read his emails that he's been sending out all summer to know that. But he's probably been in the minority of FBG staff guys.

XFrom the DL page:

Draft Dominator - Quick Start Guide

The Draft Dominator starts with a default league called MyLeague. To customize it to your league, click File->Setup and enter your league variables, team names, schedule, scoring system, pick order and tweak the projections if desired.

For the Team Names and Pick Order, make sure you enter the Team Names in the order that the teams draft in the first round. This is necessary for the the standard pick orders to work correctly.

For the Schedule, if you do not know your fantasy schedule yet, either enter a temporary one, so that you get a feel for how the GameByGame works, or enter "Avg. Points" for each week.

After setting up your league, be sure to save it. Click File Save As... and give it a new name that corresponds to your league.

Click Print->Cheat Sheets to print the Individual Position Cheatsheets and the Top 200.

Click Move Player on the Draft Status screen to move players to the team on the clock. The Highlight Bar will default to the "Recommended" player based on team needs and VBD. You can also see the recommend player on the Best Value window.

Click File->My Team Mock to run an automated Mock Draft. It will pause to let you select your player each round. To start the Mock Draft over again, click File->Start Draft.

Click File->Save to save your league. You can open the league at a later time with File->Open. Saving a league will save all of the Setup information, along with the Player Pool, Keeper List, Draft Summary, Team Stats, and Team Information. This way you can pause a draft and come back later and pick up where you left off. It also gives you the ability to configure everything before your draft and to use the Draft Dominator for multiple leagues

I'm not sure what the red X is for. Everything GroveDiesel said is correct, and nothing you quoted from the DL page contradicts any of it (that I can see).

 

[corpcow]

You knew he had HOF type talent. You knew he was going to a much better passing situation with a HOF QB. He was going to a team that has a history of turning malcontents into team players.

Actually, a ton of people around here tried all off-season so convince us that none of the above was true. We were told:Moss has lost his physical abilities and is over the hill.NE spreads the ball around too much for Moss to put up great numbers.Moss will always have an attitude problem and never fit in.

And it was all speculation from the start, which is why the projections were all over the place. Either you bought on Moss or not, and the projections reflect that.

 

[chet]

C'mon. Did anybody really need even Footballguys telling us about the pros and cons of Moss?? You knew he had HOF type talent. You knew he was going to a much better passing situation with a HOF QB. He was going to a team that has a history of turning malcontents into team players. So, the only question with Moss would be a) is he healthy? and b) would NE spread the ball around so much with the signings of Stallworth and Welker that it would make him a Tier 2 WR anyway?Anybody who didn't covet Moss early obviously felt that the risks were too great. All the info was out there. It's a decision not made in a vacuum. As an example, the LT owner probably felt comfortable in taking a risk on a guy like Moss. The Gore/SAlex owners, maybe not so much.The guy who drafted Moss in round 3 in our 12 teamer was almost laughed at. He's laughing now. And it nothing to do with projections on this or any other site. Weak, weak argument by the OP.

Nothing in this post has anything to do with the argument by the OP.

+1

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Speaking of hyping a player, how has Jacoby Jones worked out for people so far?

James Jones seems the bigger disappointment if we are going based on only 1 game. 4 receptions for 29 yards? At least he had 8 targets.Jacoby had 3 targets, 2 receptions and 33 yards. He had better production on half as many catches and nearly a 3rd less targets!

concur

 

[corpcow]

I'm not sure what the red X is for. Everything GroveDiesel said is correct, and nothing you quoted from the DL page contradicts any of it (that I can see).

He may just find red X's aesthetically pleasing.