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Moss’ growth minimal: First camp looks like slow-motion replay

By Michael Felger/ Patriots Insider

Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - Updated: 06:29 AM EST

FOXBORO - If you want to get excited about Randy Moss and what he’ll bring to the Patriots in 2007, here’s a bit of advice:

Don’t watch him practice.

That was the impression made during the four days of non-contact workouts the media was allowed to watch last week at Gillette Stadium.

Perhaps Moss will ramp it up when training camp opens July 27, but if minicamp was any indication, fans probably shouldn’t expect any fireworks.

Nearly every regional and national media outlet was there to record Moss’ Patriots introduction, and most reports focused on the promise he brings to Tom Brady and the offense. Many dispatches also made sure to point out the three or four nice catches he made during those four days. In addition, Moss spoke to the media for about nine minutes Wednesday, which might have distracted the fourth estate from reporting what Moss actually did on the practice field.

Which, in short, wasn’t much.

While newcomers Wes Welker, Donte’ Stallworth and Kyle Brady hustled through their first days on the job, and veterans such as Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison and Tedy Bruschi continued to exemplify the Patriots Way, Moss moved at his own pace. He rarely dug in. More often than not, he glided. On balance, the most talented receiver of this generation was just another guy.

You’d have thought Moss would have taken the opportunity to make an early statement, maybe run from drill to drill across the field, lead the sprints at the end of practice, blow by the slower and smaller players trying to cover him, whatever. Show a little hustle. Little things.

But it pretty much was the opposite. Moss was content to remain in the pack. He never was first in line. He certainly didn’t make defensive backs look foolish. Aside from climbing the ladder once or twice on high throws, he didn’t give any hints of his prodigious physical gifts. It’s true the entire proceedings were run at about three-quarters speed, but that didn’t stop Brady, Welker and Harrison from giving full effort. Moss’speedometer seemed stuck at around 60 percent.

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Pretty much a fluff article at this point although it is something to watch... How many veteran players are guilty of the same thing in 3/4 speed drills in minicamp?

Guys like Moss and Terrell Owens draw the media's blinding glare on everything they do.

Not saying this isn't something to be aware of but don't over-react and try to project Moss based on his 3/4 speed not being that awe inspiring. Moss has said the right things and I expect he'll turn it on when training camp rolls around.

 
I have bashed Moss for years on this board. That said, he is probably still better than any other WR on the NE roster.

 
I listened to the audible when Cecil and Bloom interviewed Mike Reiss, Patriots beat writer for the Boston Globe and he sounded the exact opposite when talking about Moss at mini camp.

This is very interesting seeing 2 local writers pretty much seeing the exact opposite things from Moss.

 
Anyone still think he'll finish WR#1 overall?
Not possible.Despite his talent, his upside is 10-15.
While this early report isn't what Moss owners wanted to hear, it IS still incredibly early. Why is it impossible for Randy to crack the top 10?
I think just the fact that he's playing in NE and their spread it around type offense makes it highly improbable. That being said though, Owens did change the way the Eagles spread it around in 2004 and finished #4 in that spread it around offense. The situation is a little different here though because Owens was out and out the best WR on the team whereas NE has other capable receivers. NE doesn't throw as much as Philly either (correct me if I'm wrong on that) and Moss hasn't been a stud in a few years whereas Owens didn't have to reattain a former status.This article sounds different than what Joe sent out in his daily email.

 
Michael Felger is a hack and a hatchet job specialist who honestly knows next to nothing about the game of football. At least when Ron Borges did a hit piece like this he had the experience as a longtime football observer to give the slightest hint of credibility.

Nearly everything I've seen and read about Moss in this minicamp was positive. Honestly, does anyone care if he's running full steam in sprints?

This is 100% a non-story.

Now, the Maroney injury? THAT'S a real cause for concern IMO.

 
I'm not buying it. I have seen other beat writers and TV sports talk folks raving how great he's been in camp. Classic case of trying to stir the pot as far as I'm concerned.

 
The other thing to keep in mind is that Moss and Stallworth were running with the SECOND team since they are still learning the offense - A VERY complex offense at the WR spot. Caldwell and Gaffney, two guys who might not even MAKE the team, took all the first team snaps. My guess is Moss and Stallworth weren't going all out because they don't know the offense yet.Albert Breer from the Herald, had this take:

The Moss factor: So Randy Moss isn’t always hustling around. So what? This is a guy entering his 10th season, and most of the years previous have been dominant ones. He knows how to get himself ready to play and, when he did play this week, it was obvious that he’s got something left in the tank. Moss constantly gives the appearance that he’s not trying, simply because he’s so effortless and natural doing what he does.And that’s why, in this camp, you don’t get a bushel of bouquets landing at his feet. But if you looked closely, you could see a player that, at times, was uncoverable. He beat guys one-on-one, he beat zone, and he caught the ball in traffic. If he’s healthy, he looks ready for a big year. The only question is how this team will spread the ball around.
This was the consensus opinion of nearly every RESPECTABLE writer who covered the Pats minicamp.
 
I love this report and this writer and want to see more of it!

It'll drive Moss' price down in our auction draft :mellow:

 
I like Felger but he really hates Moss and has been pretty open about it. Not saying that means he's wrong here but Moss is a topic where I'm not sure he'll do his best reporting. The funny thing is the word is Peter King has a piece in SI this week basically saying the exact opposite as to what Felger says.

My take is...it was a mini-camp where you really don't do things at full speed. From what I hear I don't get the impression that Moss was busting his butt but I also don't think he was a dog either. He was doing his thing and if he's being compared to Brady, Bruschi or Rodney I'm sure it doesn't measure up in the hustle department becauce those guys are maniacal regardless of the situation. IMO the most important thing right now is Moss is fitting in with his teammates. He came to Foxboro early, attended Hill's funeral and also played in the team's charity golf event. All reports are that he's fitting in. If that's the case than it's very good news because the Patriot locker-room is a virus that rubs off on most who enter it. In the end I don't think Moss will ever be world class practice player but as long as he's not making any waves, getting along with his teammates, studying the playbook and showing up focused on Sundays everything else should work out.

 
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Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe had a different take when we interviewed him on The Audible

http://podcast.footballguys.com/2007/Footb...2007-Vol96a.mp3
That's because Mike Reiss has credibility since he reports what he sees objectively without any sort of agenda.Trust me: Felger has a hard on for Randy Moss. Just like Ron Borges had a picture of Belichick on his dart board.
Felger used to be pretty good, then he got his own radio show opposite WEEI, and he's been Borges II ever since.
 
I listened to the audible when Cecil and Bloom interviewed Mike Reiss, Patriots beat writer for the Boston Globe and he sounded the exact opposite when talking about Moss at mini camp. This is very interesting seeing 2 local writers pretty much seeing the exact opposite things from Moss.
My very first thought also ...
 
this author thinks Moss went 60% in a 75% effort practice? OK

big deal

He and Brady spending time together=priceless

 
I picked him up in the 10th round of an initial dynasty draft, and I'm ecstatic. Randy Moss has never been a workout warrior. When he hits the field and realizes it's his chance to shine with a future hall of famer chucking the rock, he's going to make everyone remember why we thought he was going into the hall his first few years.

 
The other thing to keep in mind is that Moss and Stallworth were running with the SECOND team since they are still learning the offense - A VERY complex offense at the WR spot. Caldwell and Gaffney, two guys who might not even MAKE the team, took all the first team snaps.
Alot of WRs might not make the team, I suppose. It seems very much like the Pats wanted an open competition and have set it up as such.I'm confident they would "take it on the chin" if they had to cut a higher priced WR + eat his contract. Familiarity with the O or not, it's good at any point to be running with the first string. This competition needs to play out.Caldwell is probably better than some think. Campbell may be better than some think. Jackson...well who knows but they sure don't have to have that guy on the roster now if they feel like parting with a first rounder. I really get the impression this is exactly what they wanted.
 
That said, he is probably still better than any other WR on the NE roster.
Gee... Ya think?
No. not really.I could easily see Stallworth as the better receiver at this point in their careers. I don't understand how people can't see Moss has LOST something. A BIG something. Not the same guy since his back/ankle/hamstring injuries.Moss relys heavily on his physical advantages to produce and those advantages simply aren't what they used to be. He's still GOOD, he's just not GREAT anymore.
 
That said, he is probably still better than any other WR on the NE roster.
Gee... Ya think?
No. not really.I could easily see Stallworth as the better receiver at this point in their careers. I don't understand how people can't see Moss has LOST something. A BIG something. Not the same guy since his back/ankle/hamstring injuries.Moss relys heavily on his physical advantages to produce and those advantages simply aren't what they used to be. He's still GOOD, he's just not GREAT anymore.
Most talented and better WR are not the same. Better WR would involve understanding of the offense better hands, route running, blocking, speed, YAC ability, ummm...the whole package. Donte may be better. For that matter though, Troy Brown might be too.
 
Holy Schneikes said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
MillenniuM Presents: Frank Black said:
That said, he is probably still better than any other WR on the NE roster.
Gee... Ya think?
No. not really.I could easily see Stallworth as the better receiver at this point in their careers. I don't understand how people can't see Moss has LOST something. A BIG something. Not the same guy since his back/ankle/hamstring injuries.Moss relys heavily on his physical advantages to produce and those advantages simply aren't what they used to be. He's still GOOD, he's just not GREAT anymore.
:excited:
 
Moss will tear it up this season..why does a guy have to go 100% all-out in mini camp?! aren't minicamps geared more towards seeing what the rookies have,rather than pushing the veterans?

I wouldn't worry about Moss one bit. He has at least one BIG year left in him, if not more.

There is an outstanding chance he leads the NFL in TD's by a WR.

 
Moss’ growth minimal: First camp looks like slow-motion replay

By Michael Felger/ Patriots Insider

Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - Updated: 06:29 AM EST

FOXBORO - If you want to get excited about Randy Moss and what he’ll bring to the Patriots in 2007, here’s a bit of advice:

Don’t watch him practice.

That was the impression made during the four days of non-contact workouts the media was allowed to watch last week at Gillette Stadium.

Perhaps Moss will ramp it up when training camp opens July 27, but if minicamp was any indication, fans probably shouldn’t expect any fireworks.

Nearly every regional and national media outlet was there to record Moss’ Patriots introduction, and most reports focused on the promise he brings to Tom Brady and the offense. Many dispatches also made sure to point out the three or four nice catches he made during those four days. In addition, Moss spoke to the media for about nine minutes Wednesday, which might have distracted the fourth estate from reporting what Moss actually did on the practice field.

Which, in short, wasn’t much.

While newcomers Wes Welker, Donte’ Stallworth and Kyle Brady hustled through their first days on the job, and veterans such as Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison and Tedy Bruschi continued to exemplify the Patriots Way, Moss moved at his own pace. He rarely dug in. More often than not, he glided. On balance, the most talented receiver of this generation was just another guy.

You’d have thought Moss would have taken the opportunity to make an early statement, maybe run from drill to drill across the field, lead the sprints at the end of practice, blow by the slower and smaller players trying to cover him, whatever. Show a little hustle. Little things.

But it pretty much was the opposite. Moss was content to remain in the pack. He never was first in line. He certainly didn’t make defensive backs look foolish. Aside from climbing the ladder once or twice on high throws, he didn’t give any hints of his prodigious physical gifts. It’s true the entire proceedings were run at about three-quarters speed, but that didn’t stop Brady, Welker and Harrison from giving full effort. Moss’speedometer seemed stuck at around 60 percent.

. . . rest of article . . .
No, I wouldn't.
 
Pygmy Marmoset said:
I picked him up in the 10th round of an initial dynasty draft, and I'm ecstatic. Randy Moss has never been a workout warrior. When he hits the field and realizes it's his chance to shine with a future hall of famer chucking the rock, he's going to make everyone remember why we thought he was going into the hall his first few years.
Actually, he'll just pout about how much Brady spreads the ball around. Moss has never been happy when he wasn't the #1 option and he's not going to be happy in NE.
 
Michael Felger is a hack and a hatchet job specialist who honestly knows next to nothing about the game of football. At least when Ron Borges did a hit piece like this he had the experience as a longtime football observer to give the slightest hint of credibility.
I guess Borges just copied from better sources?
 
I think it is entirely possible that Welker outperforms Moss this year.

I suspect Moss will not be able to create much separation from the cover guys, Brady will try eary to force it in to him, and then learn to dump it to Welker instead.

Just my 2 cents.

 
I'm going to forward this to everyone in my league to drive his price down. :goodposting:

Peter King almost always slobbers over the Patriots but one thing in his article yesterday really caught my eye. The Patriots had a week in between their OTA and mini-camp. While most players took that week off, Moss spent the week doing cardio workouts in Foxboro because he felt that he wasn't in good enough cardio shape. That's a big plus in my eyes and a good indication that Moss isn't just going to loaf it.

My guess is that the guys saying that Moss is going somewhat slower because he's learning the system are probably pretty close to being on the money.

 
I listened to the audible when Cecil and Bloom interviewed Mike Reiss, Patriots beat writer for the Boston Globe and he sounded the exact opposite when talking about Moss at mini camp. This is very interesting seeing 2 local writers pretty much seeing the exact opposite things from Moss.
Locally, Reiss >>>>> Felger credibility-wise.
 
Felger = the new Borges.

He knows what he's talking about, but it's not exactly surprising when he writes an article that has a negative tone to it about the Patriots.

 
The real question here is if Moss is pregnant with Brady’s baby. :goodposting:
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You are the weakest link goodbye. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. Because that's what she says on the show right? Isn't it? You are the weakest link goodbye. And, and yet you've taken that and used it out of context to insult me in this everyday situation. God what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!
 
The real question here is if Moss is pregnant with Brady’s baby. :lmao:
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You are the weakest link goodbye. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. Because that's what she says on the show right? Isn't it? You are the weakest link goodbye. And, and yet you've taken that and used it out of context to insult me in this everyday situation. God what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!
I thought it was pretty funny! Why do you have to be like that?
 
Moss’ growth minimal: First camp looks like slow-motion replay

By Michael Felger/ Patriots Insider

Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - Updated: 06:29 AM EST

FOXBORO - If you want to get excited about Randy Moss and what he’ll bring to the Patriots in 2007, here’s a bit of advice:

Don’t watch him practice.

That was the impression made during the four days of non-contact workouts the media was allowed to watch last week at Gillette Stadium.

Perhaps Moss will ramp it up when training camp opens July 27, but if minicamp was any indication, fans probably shouldn’t expect any fireworks.

Nearly every regional and national media outlet was there to record Moss’ Patriots introduction, and most reports focused on the promise he brings to Tom Brady and the offense. Many dispatches also made sure to point out the three or four nice catches he made during those four days. In addition, Moss spoke to the media for about nine minutes Wednesday, which might have distracted the fourth estate from reporting what Moss actually did on the practice field.

Which, in short, wasn’t much.

While newcomers Wes Welker, Donte’ Stallworth and Kyle Brady hustled through their first days on the job, and veterans such as Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison and Tedy Bruschi continued to exemplify the Patriots Way, Moss moved at his own pace. He rarely dug in. More often than not, he glided. On balance, the most talented receiver of this generation was just another guy.

You’d have thought Moss would have taken the opportunity to make an early statement, maybe run from drill to drill across the field, lead the sprints at the end of practice, blow by the slower and smaller players trying to cover him, whatever. Show a little hustle. Little things.

But it pretty much was the opposite. Moss was content to remain in the pack. He never was first in line. He certainly didn’t make defensive backs look foolish. Aside from climbing the ladder once or twice on high throws, he didn’t give any hints of his prodigious physical gifts. It’s true the entire proceedings were run at about three-quarters speed, but that didn’t stop Brady, Welker and Harrison from giving full effort. Moss’speedometer seemed stuck at around 60 percent.

. . . rest of article . . .
I would hope a veteran who is a lock to make the team wouldn't be first in line, one of the young guys who are trying to make an impression sure as hell better beat him from station to station.
 
Pretty much a fluff article at this point although it is something to watch... How many veteran players are guilty of the same thing in 3/4 speed drills in minicamp?Guys like Moss and Terrell Owens draw the media's blinding glare on everything they do.Not saying this isn't something to be aware of but don't over-react and try to project Moss based on his 3/4 speed not being that awe inspiring. Moss has said the right things and I expect he'll turn it on when training camp rolls around.
Don't count on Moss turning it on when training camp starts. I've seen him numerous times in training camp with the Vikings and he NEVER practiced hard. If the route was not to him he would just jog a few steps and that was it. If anyone else practiced the way Moss does he would be the first cut. The way I see it he plays like he practices, he quits on more routes than anyone in the game. You can call me a Moss-hater if you like but that is what I see.
 
Moss’ growth minimal: First camp looks like slow-motion replay

By Michael Felger/ Patriots Insider

Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - Updated: 06:29 AM EST

FOXBORO - If you want to get excited about Randy Moss and what he’ll bring to the Patriots in 2007, here’s a bit of advice:

Don’t watch him practice.

That was the impression made during the four days of non-contact workouts the media was allowed to watch last week at Gillette Stadium.

Perhaps Moss will ramp it up when training camp opens July 27, but if minicamp was any indication, fans probably shouldn’t expect any fireworks.

Nearly every regional and national media outlet was there to record Moss’ Patriots introduction, and most reports focused on the promise he brings to Tom Brady and the offense. Many dispatches also made sure to point out the three or four nice catches he made during those four days. In addition, Moss spoke to the media for about nine minutes Wednesday, which might have distracted the fourth estate from reporting what Moss actually did on the practice field.

Which, in short, wasn’t much.

While newcomers Wes Welker, Donte’ Stallworth and Kyle Brady hustled through their first days on the job, and veterans such as Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison and Tedy Bruschi continued to exemplify the Patriots Way, Moss moved at his own pace. He rarely dug in. More often than not, he glided. On balance, the most talented receiver of this generation was just another guy.

You’d have thought Moss would have taken the opportunity to make an early statement, maybe run from drill to drill across the field, lead the sprints at the end of practice, blow by the slower and smaller players trying to cover him, whatever. Show a little hustle. Little things.

But it pretty much was the opposite. Moss was content to remain in the pack. He never was first in line. He certainly didn’t make defensive backs look foolish. Aside from climbing the ladder once or twice on high throws, he didn’t give any hints of his prodigious physical gifts. It’s true the entire proceedings were run at about three-quarters speed, but that didn’t stop Brady, Welker and Harrison from giving full effort. Moss’speedometer seemed stuck at around 60 percent.

. . . rest of article . . .
I would hope a veteran who is a lock to make the team wouldn't be first in line, one of the young guys who are trying to make an impression sure as hell better beat him from station to station.
Tell that to Micheal Jordan or Jerry Rice.
 

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