Gandalf
Footballguy
I have to start him too given bye weeks and injuries. Used $15 of FAAB to snag him off my WW
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RB Alex Collins, SEA (3 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Statistically, TEN has been pretty tough on RBs. Technically they are middle of the pack but much of that had to do with an outlier day by Lamar Miller a short while back. - eta - Otoh they have played some pretty mediocre run games.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Ameer is on my bench until Decker comes back, at the very least. But he does get consistent volume both rushing and receiving, even if he hasn't done much with that volume. It's a plus matchup too.
Collins is clearly the real deal but last week was such a positive game script, and that must be considered when deciding whether to start him.
Besides my question was purely hypothetical as I cannot confirm if Collins is on my roster.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
He's in for me over Ajayi, Lynch & D. Murray right now.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Moonshine
Footballguy
No guarantee he plays on Sunday, but Flacco was on the practice field today and running with the ones
https://twitter.com/WBALPete/status/925798043580010496
TheBaylorKid
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup.
If Mallet starts the only way Baltimore wins is to feed Collins early and often. That's true even if Flacco starts.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
starting him over CJ Anderson
The Frankman
Footballguy
Not exactly... there's more than a few instances of Collins busting off big gainers, then Flacco throws 3 times. At least with Mallet they know he ain't $h*t and will go run-heavy with the usual TE pass.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Miami game doesn't prove anything. What matters is that Collins gets chances at TDs.
Chaka
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
It proves he will get lots of touches going forward. Plus he got multiple touches in the red zone and was in on the goal line plays. The TDs are coming.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Sorry, had to be said. I think we're all with you on the fact that Harbaugh has had his head in his heinie this entire time (and I don't have oodles of confidence that Collins' usage won't change when Woodhead and West are back, so far up the rear is that head). But you either had the patience and space to keep Collins, or not.
I'm starting Collins this week, but more out of necessity with Howard on a bye. Starting him over Ty Montgomery, which isn't such a hard decision at this point in time.
Assuming Collins stays on the trajectory he has, he's my new #2 RB. Certainly an every week RB/WR flex player over the likes of Parker, Coleman, and potentially even Hogan.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Hope we get to see a river dance in the endzone this weekend
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He did, he got a carry from the 5, took it 4 yards, got pulled.
Allen got RZ carries from the 20, 12, 5 and 1.
dnurk
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I do not, I just know he has had 21 RZ touches on the season. And his 1 TD rushing came from the 1 and his 1 TD receiving came from the 9.
Weebs210
Footballguy
My question was in the sarcastic sense. I've watched every Ravens RB snap this year. I know how terrible he is.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sadly I lacked the roster space - held him for 4 weeks to mediocre results. Needed a lineup spot for a BYE week receiver and Collins was low man on the totem pole. After all, Allen had been getting GL carries & receptions, and Collins best game was 80 yards, no TDs, no receptions.
Sorry, had to be said. I think we're all with you on the fact that Harbaugh has had his head in his heinie this entire time (and I don't have oodles of confidence that Collins' usage won't change when Woodhead and West are back, so far up the rear is that head). But you either had the patience and space to keep Collins, or not.
I'm starting Collins this week, but more out of necessity with Howard on a bye. Starting him over Ty Montgomery, which isn't such a hard decision at this point in time.
Assuming Collins stays on the trajectory he has, he's my new #2 RB. Certainly an every week RB/WR flex player over the likes of Parker, Coleman, and potentially even Hogan.
So yeah - I did the same thing. And naturally he blew up and my WW priority was low. In two separate leagues.
That said, part of my rationale was that Allen isn't going away, game-script seemed to favor a heavy workload (and not a lot of passing), and Danny Woodhead is going to come back and take a chunk of opportunities. Plus it was against a disinterested opponent across the pond where disinterested defenses go to die.
So....while I do kick myself for not being able to hold onto him (especially in hindsight where I now know M.Bryant wasn't worth hanging onto), I also question his value moving forward a bit in PPR leagues.
That game might well have been his high water mark. I wish I still had him to find out, as I could use a RB this week.
He got another carry from the 10, gained 6 yards, but a Miami penalty was accepted, then they gave Allen then carry from the 5. That was the series Allen fumbles on, although it looks like they credited the fumble to Mallett.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
He is going to have multiple games over 14 points this season. That better?I'm having a hard time deciphering this post.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
IIRC he didn’t have a target before the Miami game... then he was praised for it after.
For my decimated roster he’ll be run out there with Ingram and be matchup proof.
For my decimated roster he’ll be run out there with Ingram and be matchup proof.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Weekly Harbaugh transcript update 
RB Alex Collins is ninth in rushing in the NFL. He has 30 fewer carries than some of the guys in front of him. Are you getting confident where you can lean on him to help carry the offense to be an every-down back? (Todd Karpovich) “He is doing a great job. Alex is doing a great job, and he has been very productive. Guys who are productive, they always get more opportunities. That is what he is doing, and he has made the most of his opportunities. He is going to continue to get more and more opportunities. [Javorius] ‘Buck’ [Allen] has done a really good job as well. We are going to try and run our offense. It is never based on one person, although, when guys are making plays and they are doing well, that is really the key. You need players to make plays. You need guys to break tackles and make people miss. You need guys to catch passes. You need guys to go over the top of somebody and make a contested catch. You need quarterbacks to make throws. You need linemen to make blocks. Really, in the end, that is what the game boils down to. We tell our guys all the time, ‘Sunday afternoon is players’ time.’ The preparation is done. Coaches do everything they can to call a good game, but the players are the ones who are playing the game, and that is what the fans pay to see. That is what the game is all about – it is about the players. So to see a player like that come from where he has come – which is kind of what you are talking about – to have the success he has had is really an awesome thing. It is what it is all about. We are excited about it. His focus is like the rest of us – it is on Sunday afternoon for a block of time.”
What are you seeing from RB Alex Collins in other aspects of the game and his development as a pass protector? (Luke Jones) “He’s done a good job with that. His pass protection is something he’s working really hard on. I see him at practice every day; he’s picking up the right guys, his technique gets better and better every day. He’s attacking pass protection. He didn’t miss any pass protections this last week – neither he nor ‘Buck’ [Javorius Allen] did – which is never easy for a back. Those guys were spot-on in what they were doing Thursday night. That’s very important, and they both made the catches – at least [Alex Collins] did. Did ‘Buck’ have catches? I forget. I haven’t thought about the game since Friday morning. But, both of those guys are doing a good job in the passing game.”
How do you handle the situation of having five running backs on your roster? (Ed Lee) “It will have to be addressed whether we can hold on to five running backs or not – assuming Danny [Woodhead] is healthy soon and he’s out there playing for us. That’ll be a decision that will have to be made. That’ll be a roster-wide-type of decision. We’ll have to compare all of our options and try to keep the players that give us the best chance or make us the strongest team.”
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Press-Conference-Transcript/42bb020b-5fad-4d51-8599-5b32f7b62e85
I don't think Harbaugh has talked about Collins this much, let alone with all of these compliments. They're usually just sprinkled in.
Is Harbaugh about to really feature our boy?
RB Alex Collins is ninth in rushing in the NFL. He has 30 fewer carries than some of the guys in front of him. Are you getting confident where you can lean on him to help carry the offense to be an every-down back? (Todd Karpovich) “He is doing a great job. Alex is doing a great job, and he has been very productive. Guys who are productive, they always get more opportunities. That is what he is doing, and he has made the most of his opportunities. He is going to continue to get more and more opportunities. [Javorius] ‘Buck’ [Allen] has done a really good job as well. We are going to try and run our offense. It is never based on one person, although, when guys are making plays and they are doing well, that is really the key. You need players to make plays. You need guys to break tackles and make people miss. You need guys to catch passes. You need guys to go over the top of somebody and make a contested catch. You need quarterbacks to make throws. You need linemen to make blocks. Really, in the end, that is what the game boils down to. We tell our guys all the time, ‘Sunday afternoon is players’ time.’ The preparation is done. Coaches do everything they can to call a good game, but the players are the ones who are playing the game, and that is what the fans pay to see. That is what the game is all about – it is about the players. So to see a player like that come from where he has come – which is kind of what you are talking about – to have the success he has had is really an awesome thing. It is what it is all about. We are excited about it. His focus is like the rest of us – it is on Sunday afternoon for a block of time.”
What are you seeing from RB Alex Collins in other aspects of the game and his development as a pass protector? (Luke Jones) “He’s done a good job with that. His pass protection is something he’s working really hard on. I see him at practice every day; he’s picking up the right guys, his technique gets better and better every day. He’s attacking pass protection. He didn’t miss any pass protections this last week – neither he nor ‘Buck’ [Javorius Allen] did – which is never easy for a back. Those guys were spot-on in what they were doing Thursday night. That’s very important, and they both made the catches – at least [Alex Collins] did. Did ‘Buck’ have catches? I forget. I haven’t thought about the game since Friday morning. But, both of those guys are doing a good job in the passing game.”
How do you handle the situation of having five running backs on your roster? (Ed Lee) “It will have to be addressed whether we can hold on to five running backs or not – assuming Danny [Woodhead] is healthy soon and he’s out there playing for us. That’ll be a decision that will have to be made. That’ll be a roster-wide-type of decision. We’ll have to compare all of our options and try to keep the players that give us the best chance or make us the strongest team.”
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Press-Conference-Transcript/42bb020b-5fad-4d51-8599-5b32f7b62e85
I don't think Harbaugh has talked about Collins this much, let alone with all of these compliments. They're usually just sprinkled in.
Is Harbaugh about to really feature our boy?
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Me clueless or Harbaugh?
Harbaugh stayed pretty true to his comments about Collins in my opinion. He said Collins would get more opportunities after the CLE or Jax game, and it's obv not as much as we would have liked, but he has gotten more opportunity. He never said he was going to feature Collins, and he isn't now.
However, the two things naysayers were saying was never going to happen, happened last week. Targets / receptions and work near the endzone, on top of most touches and most yards. In to close out the game. Then, here comes this praise from Harbaugh.
I think we all agree he should have featured Collins from the start, but he was new to the team and had to earn the trust of the CS. I think that's fair enough.
I've kept Collins on my roster since the PITT game, following his situation closely, and I bet on Collins taking over at some point. Certainly not a sure thing yet, but things are looking good. I'm wrong all the time for various reasons, but rarely because I'm clueless.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Way to go HSG. Good thing I Iove your hot sauce (not a euphemism!!!) otherwise ...well nothing. But still, Smallwood?
packersfan
Footballguy
Starting him over Ajayi as my RB3 in a dual flex league. The biggest thing I liked last week with Collins (besides how explosive he looked) was his usage in the passing game. If that remains in place this week he should be locked in as a Top 20 RB with Top 10-15 upside. I don't see the Titans playing with a huge lead so the Ravens should keep the running game on schedule. Given how good Collins looked against the 6th-best run defense last week I'm not worried about the matchup for him this week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If nothing else is true in life, it’s these two things: I’ve been wrong before, it’ll happen again.
at the time, they were salient points.
I’ll add that the 1st game Smallwood came back it looked like I was right. Then a week later Smallwood gets phased out and Collins blows up.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I would've picked Smallwood over Collins too before Week 8 too based on assumed role in the passing game.If nothing else is true in life, it’s these two things: I’ve been wrong before, it’ll happen again.
at the time, they were salient points.
Things change fast in this game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly. And at the time I had both.
IMO Collins may fade back to mediocrity - seems like the stars were aligned in England.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Well...If nothing else is true in life, it’s these two things: I’ve been wrong before, it’ll happen again.
...not in regards to hot sauce!
Seriously, I have to start Fournette this week, But I am still debating between Collins and Hyde in my #2 spot.
Cook is on IR, McKinnon is on bye...and I have Abdullah, Darkwa & Burkhead ranked lower.
Love having and watching this guy regardless!
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Harbaugh. The guy asked about Collins, not about the RB's in general and not about Allen or anyone else on the team. He's got his head so far up Allen's ### it's not funny.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't get it Hank. You've been doing this for a long time now, do you really think it is so simple as "Harbaugh has his head up Allen's ###?" That analysis doesn't fly. NFL coaches are exclusively about winning, nothing more. Willie Beamons are a rarity. They're Unicorns, and they are very often difficult to identify, Collins may not be one. Despite his recent success he still has a disgusting fumble to touch ratio.
Don't you recognize that Harbaugh, a guy who has been an incredibly solid coach for a long time, may possess a little more information than we do? I agree that he seems too conservative relative to what we see on Sunday but don't you, a guy who has been doing this for years, recognize that maybe something more has been happening that we don't see maybe during practice or stuff that we don't recognize when it happens on Sunday?
I mean how often does a mid-season street free agent just come in and get granted carte blanche? It takes time.
I am just saying that I did not expect you to be one of those "You're not using my guy therefore you suck!" people.
Harbaugh as an NFL coach, IMO, has earned the benefit of the doubt. Personally I am just happy that Collins has performed well enough on Sundays, and on the days we don't see, that Harbaugh seems willing to give him more opportunities to shine.
Sorry, I did not intend to call you out personally, but I have seen this notion so much on this board I am choosing to post my general objection in this specific thread.
strong
Footballguy
habsfan
Footballguy
Obviously it's important to talk about what we see and what we think a team should be doing with particular players. In some cases, those things eventually happen and the preceding discussion is a valuable leading indicator for fantasy purposes. In some cases though it doesn't happen and it's just as important to be able to recognize that and let go.
I remember the David Wilson thread and a handful of people who were absolutely livid because Coughlin wasn't doing what he was supposed to do with his RBs. In a handful of situations the answer is, it is what it is and you just need to accept it. You can be right and still wrong.
Not trying to be Hank's parent rushing to his defense here, but Harbaugh has a losing record over the last 4.5 years since the SB. If I added it up correctly, the Ravens are 26-33 in that time against teams other than the Browns. They have had periods of time where they are running out one of the league's worst offenses, and he has removed multiple OCs over that time, including being 31st in yards this year. He has had some success, sure, but I think he has fairly earned some questioning too.Chaka said:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
strong said:
Something about great minds thinking alike.strong said:
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's not it at all. But when someone asks you about Collins and you give him a quick attaboy and immediately move on to Allen it's clear he's got something going on. Just like Gase jettisoning Ajayi, just like Peyton's usage of Ingram, it's not always about the physical talent. Do you when he's talking about Perriman Harbaugh would launch into an analysis of Wallace's or Maclin's games? I just don't get why the guy wouldn't just toss Collins some praise and leave it at that.Chaka said:
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Missed out on Collins but got Drake. Now the Collins owner wants to trade Collins for Drake and Goff.
It's a start 2-QB so I'd have to start Garoppolo or Savage until Bradford comes back.
It's a start 2-QB so I'd have to start Garoppolo or Savage until Bradford comes back.
Weebs210
Footballguy
IfMissed out on Collins but got Drake. Now the Collins owner wants to trade Collins for Drake and Goff.
It's a start 2-QB so I'd have to start Garoppolo or Savage until Bradford comes back.
If I owned Goff in my 2QB I wouldn't trade him for Collins straight up.
You need 3 startable QBs in that format and, my God, have people not seen the rate at which QBs are hitting the IR this year?
