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RB Alex Collins, SEA (3 Viewers)
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Lol @ Bradford coming backMissed out on Collins but got Drake. Now the Collins owner wants to trade Collins for Drake and Goff.
It's a start 2-QB so I'd have to start Garoppolo or Savage until Bradford comes back.
strong
Footballguy
Something about great minds thinking alike.
for a moment there i thought maybe i did "same" my own post and felt like a real dolt.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Your trade partner is dumb. Goff is worth more than Collins by like triple in a start 2 qb league.Missed out on Collins but got Drake. Now the Collins owner wants to trade Collins for Drake and Goff.
It's a start 2-QB so I'd have to start Garoppolo or Savage until Bradford comes back.
Just in case you might be waivering in starting collins this week, check out this college highlight reel. All of the wiggle and shake that he has displayed this season, creating something out of nothing on seemingly every play...his entire college career demonstrated that same exact wiggle and shake.
An amazing runner with excellent vision, ability to cut on a dime and get skinny when he needs to slip through tackles. I’m excited that I got him this year in much redraft league but I’m much more excited that I got him for Ebron in my dyno!
We could be looking at the future at Rb in Balt after this year
https://youtu.be/-OIn7BLfUOY
An amazing runner with excellent vision, ability to cut on a dime and get skinny when he needs to slip through tackles. I’m excited that I got him this year in much redraft league but I’m much more excited that I got him for Ebron in my dyno!
We could be looking at the future at Rb in Balt after this year
https://youtu.be/-OIn7BLfUOY
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm surprised he isn't getting more love this week. He looked sensational against a better run defense last week than the one he'll face tomorrow (Titans are good vs. the run but Dolphins' run D was among the best in the league prior to last week). He not only got rushing volume but was finally used in the passing game and excelled which should lead to him being used there again. In what should be a close game he could be looking at 20 touches. I think he's a strong RB2 play this week and happily starting him in two leagues.
dmac37
Footballguy
That was a good watch. After seeing him look like he was shot out of a cannon on many runs last Thursday it was good to see him also display hesitation and patience on many runs, a poor mans L. Bell at times.
We all love to find the next great diamond in the rough and I'm as excited about Collins as any RB's in a while.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
I noticed the same thing watching his college highlights.rickyg said:
The same moves he was shaking college defenders with are the same ones he's juking NFL defenders with. I think it's a big tell on his ability to be honest. His bread and butter moves are working at the highest level.
To add, the foundation of his shake and bake appear to be the footwork. The river dancing is for real ?
Chaka
Footballguy
Last week doesn't have much impact on my decision, if he were on my roster, as it relates to the quality of Miami's rush D entering the game. They got manhandled from start to finish and it had nothing to do with their rush D ranking entering the game.packersfan said:
Last week was the best case scenario for game script and he ended up with 120 on 20 touches. Great output to be sure but aren't we all a little bit disappointed in that outcome?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
First off, you got his stats wrong. It was 18-113 and 2-30, for a total of 143 on 20 touches.
Why would we all be a little bit disappointed? Do you think that's the highwater mark of the season for him? Because I don't.
I'm excited to increasing usage, including his first receptions and first RZ carry. Not sure how one sees increased snaps, greater utilization and an expanding role as negatives.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What do you think of Collins value compared to Ameer Abdullah for fantasy?
Just thought that was an interesting comparison and would like your insider view on Ameer here.
JamieMurphy
Footballguy
Spent much of my remaining faab $$$ on him, I need a win, and I'm going with him over Blount, which I guess is kind of a no brainer. I have high expectations for him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
At first blush it looks like two guys with similar roles, right? Basically between the 20s, don't catch balls or get RZ touches. But they are different players on different teams so I'm not sure it's a really useful comp.
Detroit has been guilty of almost linear usage of their RBs. I think something like 69% of AA's rushes have been on first down? And when you bring in a jumbo package and replace your tailback with Zenner or Washington, everyone in the stadium knows what is coming. And they go ahead and try to run them in between the guards. Then act surprised when it doesn't work (again.) 30-31% of their runs are stuffed for zero or negative yardage.
Here's something you might not know about Jim Bob Cooter (and Terryl Austin, the Lions DC.) DETROIT DOES NOT MAKE HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS. I am not making this up. You can find numerous weekly press conferences from 2016 & 2017 - the coordinators each speak to the press, along with Stafford, on Wednesdays of normal weeks - and they believe execution is the key to success. I kid you not. No matter how poorly the game plan is going in the first 30 minutes, they don't change or adjust. It is absolutely maddening to me.
Anyway, there are some faint similarities to the Baltimore trio (once Woodhead is back in a few weeks) and Detroit's stable of pass catcher, one or another GL/power back, and the in the between the 20s runner. But Collins has tremendous upside IMO. He makes a lot on his own (as does Ameer, at times, just not as frequently), and he also has a violence to his game that Abdullah is unfamiliar with. He's a determined runner, he'll break tackles, stiff arm, and when the juke doesn't work, he'll lower his shoulder and try to go through you. Ameer goes down a lot easier.
Collins is 9th in rushing yards, 8th in yards per game, 1st in yards per carry. Ameer Abdullah has never been top ten any rushing stat in the NFL (he did have a ton of KR yards as a rookie - they're toying with the idea of putting him back there again.)
It will be interesting to see if Collins continues to see targets. I am hoping Woodhead's return will take snaps away from Allen, but no one really knows how that will play out just yet.
SIDENOTE - this has nothing to do with Collins or FF, but I love Buck Allen as the Ravens gunner on punt returns. I don't where you would find the stats, but he made 2-3 tackles in the Dolphins game, and he gets fired up about doing his job. I love to see that in a football player. You get the sense that no matter what happens to his role in the Baltimore offense, he's always going to be active on Sundays.
ETA: well, I found a site with ST tackles....and those were Buck Allen's first two tackles of the season on TNF v. the Dolphins.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/defense-special-teams-solo-tackles?split=
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks for the post BL some interesting ideas there.
I thought it was worth comparing the two players as you point out due to how they have been used so far this year. For me both players were tier two RB so in that sense, close, but you make some good points about Collins rushing stats this year being better than what Ameer has been able to do so far in his career.
Maybe Ameer starts doing more with Decker returning to the line up, but as of now I think I agree with you that Collins > Abdullah for fantasy. I do think is closer than some might think though. Pad level and power perhaps being the traits that are the most different between the two.
I thought it was worth comparing the two players as you point out due to how they have been used so far this year. For me both players were tier two RB so in that sense, close, but you make some good points about Collins rushing stats this year being better than what Ameer has been able to do so far in his career.
Maybe Ameer starts doing more with Decker returning to the line up, but as of now I think I agree with you that Collins > Abdullah for fantasy. I do think is closer than some might think though. Pad level and power perhaps being the traits that are the most different between the two.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, I am concerned that may be his high water mark for the reason I stated, I think quite clearly, the Ravens dominated from the jump and not because of Collins, IMO that was all defense, and that is what we got. It was a great performance but when you're up 20 at half (and feel free to correct my numbers because we are not within the statistical realm of significance) and win by 40 and that is what you get from Collins (again, a great performance) why should we expect more when we shouldn't expect a similar game script RoS?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah I know what you mean - you wonder if with a different team the results might be different. But it's the Alex Collins thread, so no need to take this on a rabbit trail, we can talk about Ameer & Decker in another thread.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
Collins was a big part of them being up 20 at half though....He keeps drives going. Quote me on this. Collins will have multiple games ROS with a higher standard score than last week.
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Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Nice discussion here guys.
IRT the Abdullah vs. Collins question:
In redraft, I would value Collins over AA, however, I only own them in dynasty. In this format, it is a little trickier imo.
Both are in danger of having their teams draft a potential replacement next year....depending on how they finish this season, of course. But AA has a more established role at this point (even if we owners may find that role maddening in may ways).
Also, Collins has the added threat of K. Dixon next year. As a dynasty owner, this concerns me much more than Allen or Woodhead.
So far, I have sat on both (as my #4 & #5 RB's), but if I had to deal one right now, I think I would try to move AA and keep Collins.
For one, in the Dynasty community, I believe AA still has more consensus trade value. Secondly, I think Collins is more intriguing...and I am willing to see this party out.
If I was relying on one of these to be a regular contributor to my team, I may think differently; but in my specific case, these are my opinions.
IRT the Abdullah vs. Collins question:
In redraft, I would value Collins over AA, however, I only own them in dynasty. In this format, it is a little trickier imo.
Both are in danger of having their teams draft a potential replacement next year....depending on how they finish this season, of course. But AA has a more established role at this point (even if we owners may find that role maddening in may ways).
Also, Collins has the added threat of K. Dixon next year. As a dynasty owner, this concerns me much more than Allen or Woodhead.
So far, I have sat on both (as my #4 & #5 RB's), but if I had to deal one right now, I think I would try to move AA and keep Collins.
For one, in the Dynasty community, I believe AA still has more consensus trade value. Secondly, I think Collins is more intriguing...and I am willing to see this party out.
If I was relying on one of these to be a regular contributor to my team, I may think differently; but in my specific case, these are my opinions.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Good point about Dixon and how that might affect Collins next year. I would guess the Ravens still really like Dixon and haven't given up on him yet.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You watched the whole game, right? I'm just asking because there were posters in this thread the next morning who admitted they only watched a couple series, but that didn't keep them from going on at length why Collins wouldn't be relevant RoS. Anyway, as Dubya said after watching Trump's inaugural address, "That was some weird ####." Every time Collins got on a roll they took him out - and almost every time, the Ravens drive stalled. It became a running joke in the game thread.
I have no idea RoS. Oh, I look at Weeks 14-16 all the time, it's always something i think about in building a roster. Collins is my RB4 and I'm starting him tomorrow. I do think he's better suited for standard and I play full PPR in my redraft, so I'll probably be moving on after this week unless he explodes. But as a football fan and an connoisseur of running back talent, I just love watching him. I've only caught two games live but I think I have watched 5-6 condensed/game pass tapes of the 7 games he played, and I'm always impressed. I just appreciate seeing someone with excellent vision who consistently makes the most of what's in front of him. Maybe he won't be much in the FF community, but the guy is fun. I like to enjoy what I am watching.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Very good points, Bobby. I have done the same irt to watching him live and via Game Pass.
In many ways, Collins is what I expected from AA when I drafted him at 1.05 in '15.
Neither of these backs are "burners", but AA definitely has the better "athletic/SPARQ profile".
Regardless, Collins seems to display the shiftiness and "find a way to make a defender miss" ability to a larger degree than AA has.
Now, whether this is a function of their inherent skill/talent as runners...or a function of team/play calling...I cannot say and do not know.
But the tape I have seen to date, puts me in the Collins Camp!
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, I watched the whole game...well up until mid 3rd quarter at which point, if you kept watching I hope your life improves.
The whole "Did you watch...?" trope belongs in the "FF cliches" thread.
Sorry, I like Collins (a lot) and I respect you as a poster but I honestly didn't pay much attention after that comment.
I think Harbaugh has finally seen the light and sincerely plans to use Collins more but how many games should we expect Baltimore to provide such a positive game script for Collins?
I think he'll be great as a real life NFL RB but I think it's a mistake to expect more from a fantasy perspective than what we got, in the most opportunistic situation possible, vs Miami.
The whole "Did you watch...?" trope belongs in the "FF cliches" thread.
Sorry, I like Collins (a lot) and I respect you as a poster but I honestly didn't pay much attention after that comment.
I think Harbaugh has finally seen the light and sincerely plans to use Collins more but how many games should we expect Baltimore to provide such a positive game script for Collins?
I think he'll be great as a real life NFL RB but I think it's a mistake to expect more from a fantasy perspective than what we got, in the most opportunistic situation possible, vs Miami.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Just acquired Ingram so Collins is riding the pine for me
Watch him EXPLODE
Watch him EXPLODE
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
and not in a "who's gonna clean up this mess" way
Conan Troutman
Footballguy
Because he didn't get many RZ carries or targets in the passing game. Granted, there's no guarantee that he'll get those moving forward, but I like his chances now that he hasn't fumbled in a while and Allen still stinks.
Elevencents
Footballguy
60 yards and a catch today. Decent chance of getting into the end zone tho. Have Martin in ahead of him but hopeful he can build on last week.
Chaka
Footballguy
Well I definitely agree that he will get off the TD schneid eventually, and he may score more fantasy points than he did vs Miami because of it. But 140 yard 1TD games aren't exactly common for all but the very top RBs who generally play for very good teams. Collins may be the former (emphasis on "may") but Baltimore is not the latter.
Here's to hoping Collins turns Baltimore into a very good team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Starting him with Martin and over Mixon
With four guys on a bye this week has been a loss in mind since Draft Day; it I get double digits, massive, but not really expecting it
With four guys on a bye this week has been a loss in mind since Draft Day; it I get double digits, massive, but not really expecting it
Weebs210
Footballguy
I would without hesitation. This is based on Collins not on your team and lifting the curse on Collins though.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Here’s to seeing riverdance in the end zone. ?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Starting over Lockett in one league and over some junk in another...hoping for 12+ points in PPR
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Well...I had to open my mouth irt the bolded last night.
Thanks to Fournette's issue, Cook's IR, McKinnon's BYE, Ivory's potential case of the Yeldon's, and AA's use...
...welcome to my starting line-up today Mitch Finn!
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I own Collins, have never started him. Lost Fournette and just picked up Drake in his place. I just don't trust Collins today and have no evidence to state why that is.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
TripleThreat
Footballguy
FWIW Starting him with Ingram over Ameer, Buck & Ivory.
Jeez my RBs look pathetic.
Jeez my RBs look pathetic.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
Having him take a back seat to A.Jones this week. May change in the future but for right now will go this direction.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Collins caught another ball!
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
I have a Collins and Ingram lineup...and I'm not. Not sure what Baltimore is doing, but it doesn't seem like they fully trust him.
