Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter TripItUp
- Start date
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Okay. My apologies to Cmac. He only needed one game.
Currently at 446 and 35 away from LT. he needs 215 yd to catch Chris Johnson. You have to figure he’s gunning for 1000/1000 which means 70 odd rec yd or 10 recpt. 10 recpt, 215 yards leaves one td needed to catch lt
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I thought the 370 threshold was for carries, not touches. RBs don’t take as much abuse on Receptions generally speaking.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I've been a little concerned about the workload too but as mentioned he's getting a significant number of catches in that total. The Panthers are the only team I really ever watch full games for, and McCaffrey doesn't take a lot of punishing hits -- although all the hits add up of course. The color commentator for the last game also said that McCaffrey does MMA training to learn how to avoid direct hits -- I can't find anything online to confirm that, and I'm not sure it matters much.
I have him on an aging dynasty team and my plan is to see if he can carry me to another run next season and then go from there. I do think the party will end within the next few years just because of the volume and his position. But he has a Ladanian Tomlinson-like approach to taking care of his body and I think that should be reassuring.
I have him on an aging dynasty team and my plan is to see if he can carry me to another run next season and then go from there. I do think the party will end within the next few years just because of the volume and his position. But he has a Ladanian Tomlinson-like approach to taking care of his body and I think that should be reassuring.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Does he play week 17?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Needs 67 receiving yards for 1000/1000...215 for total scrimmage yardage record...bet he plays.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
My not so popular hot take on Cmac is this. If the panthers are truly in rebuild mode as it is, and with the sheer amount of volume Cmac has been getting and his massive massive deal he is in line for, the Panthers should float his name out there to see what potentially they could get for trading him. From my untrained eye the Panthers are not winning any time soon with the offensive and defensive line in shambles so what would be the point to just beat him down for a couple of 4-6 win seasons? Plus his contract is going to be a record setter. Doesnt make sense to me to keep him if there is a team that would give you a kings ransom for him.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Only reason I tuned in to watch the games was Cmac. Seems like there would be some consideration in what he brings in revenue wise.
Outside of QB I really don’t see the Panthers state of affairs being any worse than GB last year. The Bears were supposed to run away their division this year now they are as bad as the Panthers. Things change quick and a piece or two can have a big impact.
pantherclub
Footballguy
We have absolutely no offensive line talent especially at Tackle and our defense is a jumbled mess. No dline help outside of KK and our secondary is garbage in particular the safety position. I think these past 5 or so games have really shone a light just how bad the overall roster is. If a team is going to give us 2 firsts or something like that then we need to think hard about it. But I get your point about wanting to watch him etc. But two things here, he cannot sustain the sheer number of touches he is getting and the contract he is going to demand next year is going to be enormous. You really want to pay a RB $20 million on a 6 win (at best) team? This team needs oline help in a bad bad way
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Is the line really that bad or do we just need a qb? Cmac is averaging 5 ypc behind a bad line. Would he average 7-8 behind a good line? If that’s the case he’s a generation talent and I don’t think you can trade someone that talented.
Regarding his workload; he dedicated last offseason to getting bigger stronger and faster. Has he topped out there at 23 or is he going to work his ### of to improve even more? His dad didn’t hit his prime until and had a very solid career. His dad dropped his seed into the daughter of a silver medalist sprinter. I know common sense says Cmac has peaked and will wear down but can’t we have some optimism that he’s this generations Barry Sanders?
ffmail4me
Footballguy
The town would riot if the Panthers traded away CMC. He (along with Luke) are the face of the franchise. Yes the Panthers have a ton of needs on both sides of the ball, but at least they have an exciting player that fans will actually buy tickets to watch. Without him...yikes, it would be pretty bad right now.
pantherclub
Footballguy
The line is really bad. Incredibly bad in fact. There is no talent there. Daley is a project as is Little who had 2 concussions and other injuries. This isnt a quick fix. And thats before addressing the defensive line where I image Butler, Poe and McCoy are all gone after this season.
If he is a generational talent (which i think he is) then his talent has only has only helped us to get to 5 wins. A record setting year and all we can muster is 5 wins. Think about that. hence my reasoning for shopping him. Just see if you can get a crazy trade. Whats the harm in that especially before we break the bank to pay him after next season. Hell if he breaks the record and follows the zeke model we may have to pay him now.
And I dont care who his mom, dad or sister is, you keep giving this guy the amount of touches he is getting and its going to go south quick and then we look like the Rams sitting on an albatross of a contract to a guy who cannot play.
All I am saying is that if this is a true rebuild, which to me it 100% is, then all options have to be on the table.
The damn Patriots would be favorites for the SB if Cmac was on their team. Somebody would go nuts trying to trade for him. And RB is the easiest position in the NFL to replace.
pantherclub
Footballguy
You have to think long term and not in the now frame of mind. Its NFL football, people will still come.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Without him I'm just not convinced. Seriously. Look at the Redskins....for half a century that place sold out every game, full of Redskins fans...now the opposing team has as many fans there as the home team. Washington hasn't given the fans a product or player worth faithfully coming to see in years...hopefully that is changing with Haskins and McLaurin and company.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Its taken 20 years to get to that point from the redskins. If there is a solid plan the fans will come
BassNBrew
Footballguy
1. You say the line is really bad. What's CMac's ypc with a good line?
2. 5 wins - Keep in mind we've ben stuffed inside the 5 yard line to win the game 4 times this season.
3. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaytWa00.htm Basically 11 straight seasons with 350-400 touches.
pantherclub
Footballguy
1. Cmac is just that good. I am not sure how you can watch our season and not think our offensive line is terrible. They cannot pass block to save their life
2. Wouldnt that be a sign of a poor oline?
3. Dude I know what you are hinting at but I am not ready to compare Cmac to Payton. Thats insane. Probably a better comparison is the guy whose record he is trying to break. Chris Johnson. He had a couple more solid years then fell off. It just happens.
rockaction
Footballguy
I've gotta wonder how much beating his body is taking and if he's not at his apex now, GB.
rockaction
Footballguy
I hope this guy gets paid his commensurate worth, and he should start getting it now so people don't gripe about it.
He should also get heavier endorsements in his brief time in the spotlight.
I just see a legendary talent being burned out.
He should also get heavier endorsements in his brief time in the spotlight.
I just see a legendary talent being burned out.
I could get on board with this. I agree with @BassNBrew that the big risk is McCaffrey is one of the faces of the franchise, but I also agree with the above: that this looks like a rebuild (Tepper has said as much if I recall correctly). The offensive line is a real problem imo. The one consistent bright spot has been Moton at RT. The grading has varied throughout 2019, especially in pass blocking. In late September Seth Walden at ESPN measured the line as worst in the league in "pass block win rate"; PFF came out with a surprising grade of 13th overall for the line at the week 8 mark; there were some late season struggles (though in fairness the entire team played poorly); and now the only starter with a decent grade at PFF is Moton. I feel like the fan base is a bit split on this team being a rebuild vs. having a win-now window, and I think there are valid arguments on both sides. But I feel pretty strongly that this is a rebuild. If so, having your best player at a position with a historically short window for production is not ideal.
This is all pretty theoretical anyway. Splash trades for RBs seem like a thing of the past, unless I am forgetting any recent examples.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I know its neither here nor there and way past the point, but I would bet anything the Pats would have overpaid for Cmac before the trade deadline. He is exactly what they need for their offense. Now what that theoretical trade would look like who knows but I would at least just see whats out there. 2 firsts? First and a 2nd?
Tau837
Footballguy
No way any team gives 2 first round picks for McCaffrey. I’d be surprised if a team gave one first rounder.
You already said the reasons yourself:
1. He is going to demand a monster contract...
2. ...at the position most easily replaced outside of special teams.
You keep referencing the Patriots, but Belichick is too smart to commit so much to any single RB.
Last edited by a moderator:
Tau837
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
You are probably right but its not going to hurt to ask around.
I keep referencing the Pats simply because the end is obviously nigh for this dynasty/era and I think Belichick sees this and would overpay to have the ultimate weapon for brady. I honest to God think they would be close to unstoppable if CMAC was in that backfield.
One more thing to consider is lets say Cam is healthy, he plays relatively well. Now he is going to want a $30 million deal and Cmac is going to want $20 mill at the same time. Thats 50 million of a 200 million cap tied up in a RB/QB. Thats a lot.
There really is no easy answer in all of this I am simply saying if its a rebuild nobody is off limits.
rockaction
Footballguy
Too much value in contract-friendly White and draft capital in Michel and the other dude from 'Bama (I'm drawing a blank and not Googling) and they need help at WR desperately and more than anything else. They're like a helicopter right now: no wings.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
We don't know what he is other than one of the few guys who added size and got faster.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
If that happens with CMac/Olsen/Samuals all healthy then we would have watched a great offensive season and would be competing for a playoff spot. I'd take it.
Literally 0.0% chance of him ending up on the Pats. Maybe when he’s like 35 and they can sign him for nothing.
Worm
slimy ninja
It looks like I stopped updating this after my Panthers depression kicked in. BUT, as we approach the final game and my guy still has a chance for this awesome milestone, I feel obligated to provide one final update before the sun sets on CMC's awesome season. So, I present the second to last CMC 1k/1k watch update:
CMC 1,000/1,000 WATCH V2.0
Game 1: 19 rushes 128 yards (2 TD), 10 receptions 81 yards
Game 2: 16 rushes 37 yards, 2 receptions 16 yards
Game 3: 24 rushes 153 yards (1 TD), 3 receptions 35 yards
Game 4: 27 rushes 93 yards (1 TD), 10 receptions 86 yards
Game 5: 19 rushes 176 yards (2 TD), 6 receptions 61 yards (1 TD)
Game 6: 22 rushes 31 yards (1 TD), 4 receptions 26 yards (1 TD)
Game 7: 14 rushes 117 yards (1 TD), 4 receptions 38 yards
Game 8: 24 rushes 146 yards (2 TD), 3 receptions 20 yards (1 TD)
Game 9: 20 rushes 108 yards (1 TD), 6 receptions 33 yards
Game 10: 14 rushes 70 yards, 11 receptions 121 yards
Game 11: 22 rushes 64 yards (1 TD), 9 receptions 69 yards (1 TD)
Game 12: 14 rushes 44 yards, 7 receptions 58 yards
Game 13: 11 rushes 53 yards, 11 receptions 82 yards
Game 14: 19 rushes 87 yards (2 TD), 8 receptions 88 yards
Game 15: 13 rushes 54 yards, 15 receptions 119 yards
SEASON STATS: 278 rushes 1,361 yards (14 TD), 109 receptions 933 yards (4 TD)
One game, 67 receiving yards remaining. Let's go Panthers, get our boy his 1k/1k.
CMC 1,000/1,000 WATCH V2.0
Game 1: 19 rushes 128 yards (2 TD), 10 receptions 81 yards
Game 2: 16 rushes 37 yards, 2 receptions 16 yards
Game 3: 24 rushes 153 yards (1 TD), 3 receptions 35 yards
Game 4: 27 rushes 93 yards (1 TD), 10 receptions 86 yards
Game 5: 19 rushes 176 yards (2 TD), 6 receptions 61 yards (1 TD)
Game 6: 22 rushes 31 yards (1 TD), 4 receptions 26 yards (1 TD)
Game 7: 14 rushes 117 yards (1 TD), 4 receptions 38 yards
Game 8: 24 rushes 146 yards (2 TD), 3 receptions 20 yards (1 TD)
Game 9: 20 rushes 108 yards (1 TD), 6 receptions 33 yards
Game 10: 14 rushes 70 yards, 11 receptions 121 yards
Game 11: 22 rushes 64 yards (1 TD), 9 receptions 69 yards (1 TD)
Game 12: 14 rushes 44 yards, 7 receptions 58 yards
Game 13: 11 rushes 53 yards, 11 receptions 82 yards
Game 14: 19 rushes 87 yards (2 TD), 8 receptions 88 yards
Game 15: 13 rushes 54 yards, 15 receptions 119 yards
SEASON STATS: 278 rushes 1,361 yards (14 TD), 109 receptions 933 yards (4 TD)
One game, 67 receiving yards remaining. Let's go Panthers, get our boy his 1k/1k.
And thus provides additional evidence that running backs are essentially worthless towards win probability.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Chuck Foreman came close in 1975. He had 1070 yards rushing / 13 tds and 73 receptions for 691 yards and 9 tds. In 1977 Lydell Mitchell had 1159 yards rushing and 71 receptions and 620 yards.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
I mean, its something I guess but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. 5 wins.287 rushes, 1,387 yards, 15 TD's
116 receptions, 1,005 yards, 4 TD's
Achievement Unlocked: *1,000/1,000*
He did it boys.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think anyone really would argue a RB makes a difference in wins and losses but he could obviously be an important piece of a championship team. The Panthers need help at QB and on defense.
One player, outside of QB, seldom makes a difference in wins and losses. Most people would call JJ Watt one of the most dominant defensive players in the league - but Houston wins just as many games when he misses most of the season as they do when he plays.
Worm
slimy ninja
JohnnyU
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
