Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In Redraft Nico has missed 5.5 games thus far...RBs are hard to find, you know that
You are correct that Nico is more valuable but its getting late in the season
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RB Chuba Hubbard, CAR (1 Viewer)
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You are correct that Nico is more valuable but its getting late in the season
rockaction
Footballguy
Chuba’s bye week is this week. Nico’s is Week 14. So even if you get Nico back, you’re still absorbing his bye week. Not that that means anything and I have to admit that upon seeing this I was thinking, “Nico of course.”
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I like it a lot.
Hard to believe but Tracy is only 6 months younger than Hubbard.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Teams are doing it more often than not now - for insurance and to get a good back-up. Seattle did it with Charbs, Miami spent a 4th and traded a future third for Wright when they already had Achane.
Seems to be the going way with all the injuries at RB and to have another good one in the wings. Hubbard has been awesome and they rewarded him with a contract. Then they have Brooks as a back-up. Next year maybe more of a split, keep both backs fresh.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
There’s tremendous value to resigning your own guys. Core guys who are going to see the rebuild through.
I think the Panthers want to emulate Detroit. They’ve drafted a few good OL and I think they want to have a 1A/1B setup. There is precedent for that in Carolina.
I've seen this a lot since Hubbard's contract. I'm curious as to whether it's just speculation (hope) from the fantasy football world. If Carolina wants to have a 2-man backfield similar to Detroit, they haven't shown it. They didn't use Sanders as the 2nd RB in any kind of meaningful way. If they do so with Brooks, perhaps the speculation is/was correct. But until we see it, I'm inclined to believe that they made a draft pick, then were forced to sign Hubbard to a large contract due to his impressive play. If that's the case, I don't see why he wouldn't stay "the man" in Carolina.
rockaction
Footballguy
I’m having lots of trouble figuring out where Brooks comes into play, but let me just say that Miles Sanders was terrible for Carolina from the jump. He almost immediately looked lost behind a non-Philly offensive line (Carolina’s was admittedly not good at all) and was signed to guaranteed money. I don’t think Carolina thinks that they’ve had the talent to justify a 1A/1B approach because Hubbard looked so much better than Sanders that you wouldn’t waste carries with Sanders (I think it took him four or five games to completely lose the job, which is pretty quick, all things considered).
I roster Hubbard in one league and Sanders in another, but I don’t think about Hubbard’s future too much for some reason (my team isn’t very good this year in that league), so this isn’t a personally-motivated post. If anything, it’s pro-Brooks because I don’t think they wasted a second-round pick to not ever use him. Brooks is still considered to be a very talented back. It’s just injury (and only one that we know of) that’s held him back (plus Chuba’s efficiency and efficacy).
So I wouldn’t count Brooks out just yet.
I get that; and I own Brooks (but not Hubbard) in a dynasty league. I'm not counting him out. I just think the "Detroit-plan" at RB talk is premature. IF Brooks shows that he is as capable as Hubbard, perhaps they'll use both backs in that style of running attack. But to assume that this is (was?) Carolina's plan isn't really based on anything from the team, that I can find. There haven't been any reports from the HC, GM, locker-room attendant, etc to suggest that this is their plan.
Maybe it is, but only time will tell.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not sure we could identify what the Carolina master plan is, and given Tepper’s mercurial persona, it’s difficult to assign logic to chaos.
But one thing is for sure - the NFL is, and has been for a long time, a copycat league. Folks see something/someone succeed and immediately think they can replicate it to find their own way.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Brooks is still 21. Many RBs take time to get up to speed in the NFL as well. Maybe once Brooks started practicing CAR realized he was still a bit away so they locked up Hubbard before his contract/FA became an issue.
It isn't a bad thing to let Brooks grow and get comfortable in the NFL before giving him a big workload. He's still 21. Lots of time for him to improve and maybe eventually take over. I know it isn't what everyone who drafted him wants to hear but he's coming off a big injury - give him time.
It isn't a bad thing to let Brooks grow and get comfortable in the NFL before giving him a big workload. He's still 21. Lots of time for him to improve and maybe eventually take over. I know it isn't what everyone who drafted him wants to hear but he's coming off a big injury - give him time.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Super rough game for him today...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Happy to post I did not go thru with that trade
Nico just shows up every week and logs 100 yds on 5-8 catches, sometimes he scores
He will end up in the 2nd round of redrafts next season IMHO
Balco
Footballguy
He gets a pass - has been excellent all season.
The issue is that the 2nd round pick (1st round talent who just happened to be injured) looked better, and any excuse to use him more will be taken.
Hubbard has been a low-end RB1 all season. I'd be very worried that 20+ touches, just became 12+ touches, and that hurts Hubbard quite a bit.
zamboni
Footballguy
Was tough sledding for the run game overall. I do think that they are indeed trying to ramp up Brooks' touches to get him up to game speed, so one has to be a bit concerned about Chuba's upside being capped.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Not a chance in my mind. He may not even be the starter by the time next season rolls around.
I think Carolina jumped the gun signing him before even seeing what Brooks could do.
EDIT: My mistake. You were talking about Collins. Yeah, Nico is a 1st rounder next year for sure.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I mostly agree with this, but not really with the "jumping the gun" part. They have to spend the money somewhere, and they don't have a lot of candidates to give it to. May as well come up with a "thanks for the last three underpaid years" package and let the rest of the roster know the money's there for those that earn it.
Personally I believe Brooks is a much better talent and takes that job outright by the end of 2025, it's not a hard contract to walk away from. Hell the dead money is only $10M next spring and they could spread that over two years. This is a "thanks for the fish" contract.
Didn't watch the game but ypc says Hubbard did better on twice as many touches. Brooks did well receiving though while Hubbard didn't get any targets.
It's expected but I don't like that one run by Brooks being way overstated everywhere. He made a nice hop to the side move but that's relatively common and it wasn't several moves.
Watch this week- the not so impressive play will continue to be blown out of proportion and then how much does that impact the share?
We'll have to see....
Watch this week- the not so impressive play will continue to be blown out of proportion and then how much does that impact the share?
We'll have to see....
Hubbard wasn't good at anything yesterday. Blew some blitz pickups, lost a game deciding fumble, and didn't really do anything positive.
Brooks had a lower YPC, but played much better overall, including as a blocker, but especially as a receiver.
I'd not saying its Brooks job by any means, but its easy to see Brooks taking more snaps in the passing game going forward, especially as that was always a key part of his skill set.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
But interestingly right now, almost all of the top teams in the league have a very clear lead back. Philly, KC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Houston, Minnesota, Green Bay, Buffalo (though they are starting to give Davis more work). Detroit is really the exception rather than the rule right now amongst the top teams and their usage of RBs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hubbard and Brooks will be a 1-2 punch at RB next season
If Brooks makes big plays then perhaps over the '25 season, he can play his way into a starter role in 2026
That would be if things line up right for Brooks and the Panthers
In the mean time Hubbard is going to get plenty of touches and work until Brooks leaves him in the dust which might not happen at all.
I would keep an open mind and understand you are in a volatile situation where the whole team is in question who is a building block and who isn't
Thanks Tepper
-One last note, if Tepper thinks he can upgrade his Head Coach, I don't put it past him to make a coaching change again this off season
That would change to another system including OC and the like, just something you have ti be prepared for
If Brooks makes big plays then perhaps over the '25 season, he can play his way into a starter role in 2026
That would be if things line up right for Brooks and the Panthers
In the mean time Hubbard is going to get plenty of touches and work until Brooks leaves him in the dust which might not happen at all.
I would keep an open mind and understand you are in a volatile situation where the whole team is in question who is a building block and who isn't
Thanks Tepper
-One last note, if Tepper thinks he can upgrade his Head Coach, I don't put it past him to make a coaching change again this off season
That would change to another system including OC and the like, just something you have ti be prepared for
zamboni
Footballguy
That's an angle I hadn't considered. You'd like to think that Chuba has earned his stripes despite that fumble, as evidenced by the nice contract extension they gave him. But that obviously was a big fumble, and when you have coaches that have jobs on the line, they could decide to give Brooks some more touches as a brief "time out" for Chuba.
Balco
Footballguy
Canales loves Chuba - probably his favorite player on the team. He has been solid all year and is a team leader. Yesterday was not a good day for him, but people are way overreacting here.
saviorself
Footballguy
Does he get back on track today against a tough Eagles run defense? I'm not sure...
Debating between him and Allen (NYJ) for the next 30 minutes.
Debating between him and Allen (NYJ) for the next 30 minutes.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Brooks and Blackshear both left with injuries, so it will be all Chuba the rest of the way today.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Beast.
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
Brooks broken again.
Bump Hubbard
Bump Hubbard
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I got Hubbard in one league and sure wish I bought him on the low when Brooks was coming back.
He's a kick *** RB1.
He's a kick *** RB1.
clever name
Footballguy
My league mates laughed at me when I spent over half my waiver budget on him after week 3. But I'm laughing all the way to the championship. The panthers being able to maintain a neutral game script in these tough matchups has been huge.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Absolute stud. Monster 39+ day to catapult me into the LCG.
This is now the Chuba appreciation topic.
LFG!
This is now the Chuba appreciation topic.
LFG!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He was easily my best draft pick in a 16-team IDP start-up 2 years ago.
Had very little at RB, so in the 19.14/20.07 turn I went Warren/Chuba
Lucked out. Huge part of why I’m headed to the LCG.
Nice Work Pal
Footballguy
now questionable with a knee injury
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It was estimated yesterday. They didn’t practice on Xmas.
Today he practiced in limited fashion. That’s an upgrade from yesterday’s estimated DNP.
If it was anything serious I doubt he would have practiced.
It’s Xmas week. I take all injury reporting with a huge grain of salt because it’s typically a very light work-week for everyone, NFL players included.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Update: expected to play
Never a doubt.
Never a doubt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tough call.
zoonation
Footballguy
Going Bucky.
Next: Cook or Chubs? Should have started both over that bum Nico Collins (actually Stroud).
The Kerminator
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Give up on the Brooks guy already?
zamboni
Footballguy
Not just that but they gave a nice extension to Chuba. I don’t think RB is near the top of their list of concerns.
