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That’s where we disagree.Right. And neither is Achane.

That’s where we disagree.Right. And neither is Achane.
It’s not too lateAchane had 10 games over 18 points last year and finished 5th in total points for RB’s. That’s solid for a supposedly injury prone little dude.
I believe it dipped quite a bit once Tua got hurt.You think Achane's production relies on Tua?That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.i'm wondering if i can ship him for a 1st
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
Weeks 3-7 are when Tua was out, and those were pretty much Achane’s worst weeks: 9, 6, 2, 0 (bye), 11I believe it dipped quite a bit once Tua got hurt.You think Achane's production relies on Tua?That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.i'm wondering if i can ship him for a 1st
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
Achane also had his high ankle sprain in that stretch too.Weeks 3-7 are when Tua was out, and those were pretty much Achane’s worst weeks: 9, 6, 2, 0 (bye), 11I believe it dipped quite a bit once Tua got hurt.You think Achane's production relies on Tua?That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.i'm wondering if i can ship him for a 1st
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
Achane also had his high ankle sprain in that stretch too.Weeks 3-7 are when Tua was out, and those were pretty much Achane’s worst weeks: 9, 6, 2, 0 (bye), 11I believe it dipped quite a bit once Tua got hurt.You think Achane's production relies on Tua?That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.i'm wondering if i can ship him for a 1st
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
You can throw out the 2 I think, frankly, I wouldn't even count that as a game played. as he got knocked out with a concussion in the 1st quarter. He undoubtably would have had a much bigger game had that not happened, as Miami ran for 183 yards that week. Honestly, without that concussion, Achane likely tops 1,000 rushing yards last season.
That's the thing - in 2 years he's been injured at least 5 times I can think of and been dogged by injuries for a number of weeks in which he played.
Exactly. More work = more risk. The talent is there. No doubt.Achane also had his high ankle sprain in that stretch too.Weeks 3-7 are when Tua was out, and those were pretty much Achane’s worst weeks: 9, 6, 2, 0 (bye), 11I believe it dipped quite a bit once Tua got hurt.You think Achane's production relies on Tua?That's mind boggling to me. There aren't 20 players overall I'd rather have than Achane. I'd take Achane over anyone in this draft class other than Jeanty. A 23-year-old who wins both rushing and receiving, and has shown high TD rates, high big play rates, and elite receiving chops. He's RB5 in my ranks. This is Jamaal Charles all over again.i'm wondering if i can ship him for a 1st
I have him in 3 leagues and I'm trying to trade him everywhere
Can't get anything good for him.
I respect most of what you post, but let's tap the brakes a bit. He is one Tua hit away from being an RB2.
You can throw out the 2 I think, frankly, I wouldn't even count that as a game played. as he got knocked out with a concussion in the 1st quarter. He undoubtably would have had a much bigger game had that not happened, as Miami ran for 183 yards that week. Honestly, without that concussion, Achane likely tops 1,000 rushing yards last season.
That's the thing - in 2 years he's been injured at least 5 times I can think of and been dogged by injuries for a number of weeks in which he played.
Tell me……what makes you say The Dolphins will find someone.I guess mainly I was questioning Tua's importance because, long-term, you can expect them to have a decent QB. Tua's career could end today, and they could be screwed for this year, but they're going to get someone eventually. They're not the Jets.
I suppose that's true, haha. A lot of teams can sign a veteran and do just fine. I guess I just assume they'd have as good a chance as any. But at some point you start to think the problem may be systematic rather than random.Tell me……what makes you say The Dolphins will find someone.I guess mainly I was questioning Tua's importance because, long-term, you can expect them to have a decent QB. Tua's career could end today, and they could be screwed for this year, but they're going to get someone eventually. They're not the Jets.
It’s been 25 years….We are still waiting.
Lol.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don’t want CMC going forward.Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
McCaffrey in redraft.Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
Love the optimism.healthy which he was almost all of 2025
Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
Is neither an option, because that's what I would choose. Just posted in the CMC thread, but it applies here as well. When looking at who is actually going around these two RBs at the 1/2 turn in redraft, it's littered with WRs who have close to, if not the same, upside in fantasy PPG scoring with a TON less risk. Give me WRs early most years, but especially this year. I'll happily take a page out of the NFL handbook and run my rosters with a RB rotation of discounted rookies and "unexciting" RBs in the middle rounds. Shotgun approach, and just need one or two to hit out of the six or seven I'll draft. Besides, most years the "over replacement" scoring difference between RB 12 and RB24 is a lot less than between WR12 and WR24.Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
Only issue with this approach is you often find yourself playing the matchups each week at RB. You’re probably better at it than I am but I suck at it.Is neither an option, because that's what I would choose. Just posted in the CMC thread, but it applies here as well. When looking at who is actually going around these two RBs at the 1/2 turn in redraft, it's littered with WRs who have close to, if not the same, upside in fantasy PPG scoring with a TON less risk. Give me WRs early most years, but especially this year. I'll happily take a page out of the NFL handbook and run my rosters with a RB rotation of discounted rookies and "unexciting" RBs in the middle rounds. Shotgun approach, and just need one or two to hit out of the six or seven I'll draft. Besides, most years the "over replacement" scoring difference between RB 12 and RB24 is a lot less than between WR12 and WR24.Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
What's funny about that statement is when that happens, I normally consider it a win because it means I have actual options at RB haha. Most of the time taking this scattershot approach through the mid and late draft; by week 4 or so I quickly realize half of the RBs I took are barely rosterable so I normally don't have an issue knowing which to start. There are only 2-3 that are actually putting up meaningful points of the 7-8 I drafted. The bigger quandary is who to cut when running waivers each week; never fun cutting what seems like a clogger only to have the starter in front of them blocking their path get injured and vault them to starter numbers. Think I did just that twice in one year when SF was cycling through RBs like it was going out of style.Only issue with this approach is you often find yourself playing the matchups each week at RB. You’re probably better at it than I am but I suck at it.Is neither an option, because that's what I would choose. Just posted in the CMC thread, but it applies here as well. When looking at who is actually going around these two RBs at the 1/2 turn in redraft, it's littered with WRs who have close to, if not the same, upside in fantasy PPG scoring with a TON less risk. Give me WRs early most years, but especially this year. I'll happily take a page out of the NFL handbook and run my rosters with a RB rotation of discounted rookies and "unexciting" RBs in the middle rounds. Shotgun approach, and just need one or two to hit out of the six or seven I'll draft. Besides, most years the "over replacement" scoring difference between RB 12 and RB24 is a lot less than between WR12 and WR24.Many sites are ranking Achane and McCaffrey in the same tier. Given the choice, which way would you go?
Wright is one of the best values right now. Achane is a beast but isn't getting all the work.The nice thing about Achane is that Wright is a pretty cheap handcuff.
@32BeatWriters
“This is my second straight offseason Achane has gotten this honor, and it’s not surprising considering he’s faster without pads than anyone else on the roster. His ability to catch passes and get upfield is eye-opening, and was on display Tuesday as he caught a short pass from Tua Tagovailoa and ran it 50-plus yards for a touchdown since nobody got within 10 yards of him.”
The comment that Achane is faster without pads than anyone on the roster is pretty interesting given Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle (both 4.3 guys) are on the team. Achane's talent is still underrated in my opinion. He's ELITE.@32BeatWriters“This is my second straight offseason Achane has gotten this honor, and it’s not surprising considering he’s faster without pads than anyone else on the roster. His ability to catch passes and get upfield is eye-opening, and was on display Tuesday as he caught a short pass from Tua Tagovailoa and ran it 50-plus yards for a touchdown since nobody got within 10 yards of him.”
I hope they can assemble some better run blocking with their unit, it was maddening watching hit brick wall after brick wall last year.The comment that Achane is faster without pads than anyone on the roster is pretty interesting given Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle (both 4.3 guys) are on the team. Achane's talent is still underrated in my opinion. He's ELITE.@32BeatWriters“This is my second straight offseason Achane has gotten this honor, and it’s not surprising considering he’s faster without pads than anyone else on the roster. His ability to catch passes and get upfield is eye-opening, and was on display Tuesday as he caught a short pass from Tua Tagovailoa and ran it 50-plus yards for a touchdown since nobody got within 10 yards of him.”
Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
But he's not.Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.
At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".
If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.
So, we are downgrading him due to his high usage? That's a first for me but I am guessing this is a size related argument that we are deflecting as usage, but those are positives. If you have an NFL franchise telling you, we are going to use this guy until he can't go anymore because he is that valuable to our team... that is a positive.But he's not.Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.
At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".
If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.
I feel it's a combination of his size, his usage (I think it's too much) and how much his numbers depend on Tua staying upright.
Not worth the risk to me. As I said before, I'll take Chase Brown, Jacobs, Bucky, Williams, etc. a round (maybe even 2) later.
Or you want to read it and do the opposite which is usually a winning strategySome of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
This is fair. I think he was used too much last year. Even while injured. You have a coach trying to save his butt this year and I'm afraid he will ride Achane into the ground. If he can take the workload, obviously he will finish the season well. I just don't feel his body can take that workload.So, we are downgrading him due to his high usage? That's a first for me but I am guessing this is a size related argument that we are deflecting as usage, but those are positives. If you have an NFL franchise telling you, we are going to use this guy until he can't go anymore because he is that valuable to our team... that is a positive.But he's not.Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.
At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".
If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.
I feel it's a combination of his size, his usage (I think it's too much) and how much his numbers depend on Tua staying upright.
Not worth the risk to me. As I said before, I'll take Chase Brown, Jacobs, Bucky, Williams, etc. a round (maybe even 2) later.
I am not sure where you are seeing Chase Brown, Josh Jacobs, Bucky Irving, Kyren Williams (unless you are talking about Javonte) going a round or two behind guys like Achane but Achane has ADP of 7 and Kyren Williams is 12.5.
I am struggling with how Tua's health can be viewed as a negative. Do you discount WR's because their QB could be injured? McCarthy has missed more games than he's played in the NFL (see how I can change the narrative) and there is no guarantee he will be the QB throwing the ball to Jefferson all season. Should I take guys like Drake London, Brian Thomas Jr or AJ Brown over Justin Jefferson?
In the end, you do you... give me a guy with Achane's explosiveness (without question) over guys like Chase Brown & Kyren Williams... hands down, don't have to think about it. Jacobs has his own wrinkles that I am not going to layout in the Achane thread. The only one that I can say I would consider is Bucky Irving for Devon Achane and they are going 2 picks away from each other (according to ADP).
I agree and that is a fair assessment. There probably isn't a more polarizing player in fantasy right now than Achane.This is fair. I think he was used too much last year. Even while injured. You have a coach trying to save his butt this year and I'm afraid he will ride Achane into the ground. If he can take the workload, obviously he will finish the season well. I just don't feel his body can take that workload.So, we are downgrading him due to his high usage? That's a first for me but I am guessing this is a size related argument that we are deflecting as usage, but those are positives. If you have an NFL franchise telling you, we are going to use this guy until he can't go anymore because he is that valuable to our team... that is a positive.But he's not.Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.
At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".
If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.
I feel it's a combination of his size, his usage (I think it's too much) and how much his numbers depend on Tua staying upright.
Not worth the risk to me. As I said before, I'll take Chase Brown, Jacobs, Bucky, Williams, etc. a round (maybe even 2) later.
I am not sure where you are seeing Chase Brown, Josh Jacobs, Bucky Irving, Kyren Williams (unless you are talking about Javonte) going a round or two behind guys like Achane but Achane has ADP of 7 and Kyren Williams is 12.5.
I am struggling with how Tua's health can be viewed as a negative. Do you discount WR's because their QB could be injured? McCarthy has missed more games than he's played in the NFL (see how I can change the narrative) and there is no guarantee he will be the QB throwing the ball to Jefferson all season. Should I take guys like Drake London, Brian Thomas Jr or AJ Brown over Justin Jefferson?
In the end, you do you... give me a guy with Achane's explosiveness (without question) over guys like Chase Brown & Kyren Williams... hands down, don't have to think about it. Jacobs has his own wrinkles that I am not going to layout in the Achane thread. The only one that I can say I would consider is Bucky Irving for Devon Achane and they are going 2 picks away from each other (according to ADP).
Again all fair. But I'll add two more variables and that is Tua and Hill.I agree and that is a fair assessment. There probably isn't a more polarizing player in fantasy right now than Achane.This is fair. I think he was used too much last year. Even while injured. You have a coach trying to save his butt this year and I'm afraid he will ride Achane into the ground. If he can take the workload, obviously he will finish the season well. I just don't feel his body can take that workload.So, we are downgrading him due to his high usage? That's a first for me but I am guessing this is a size related argument that we are deflecting as usage, but those are positives. If you have an NFL franchise telling you, we are going to use this guy until he can't go anymore because he is that valuable to our team... that is a positive.But he's not.Add him to the list of guys I disagree with, I guess.Some of you may want to avoid reading Bloom's Top 250.
The guy was super efficient in Year 1 with less volume and handled the beating of RB1 volume in year 2... if he was 2 inches taller with 15-20 pounds of muscle, everyone would be gushing over this guy and you wouldn't land him without two 1st rounders on the table.
At some point, you have to trust your eyes... The only thing you can write next to Achane's ranking to justify him being a 3rd round valuation is - "I don't trust his size".
If everyone opposing Achane, just keeps saying he will get injured because of his size, eventually - they will be right, because all RB's get injured.
I feel it's a combination of his size, his usage (I think it's too much) and how much his numbers depend on Tua staying upright.
Not worth the risk to me. As I said before, I'll take Chase Brown, Jacobs, Bucky, Williams, etc. a round (maybe even 2) later.
I am not sure where you are seeing Chase Brown, Josh Jacobs, Bucky Irving, Kyren Williams (unless you are talking about Javonte) going a round or two behind guys like Achane but Achane has ADP of 7 and Kyren Williams is 12.5.
I am struggling with how Tua's health can be viewed as a negative. Do you discount WR's because their QB could be injured? McCarthy has missed more games than he's played in the NFL (see how I can change the narrative) and there is no guarantee he will be the QB throwing the ball to Jefferson all season. Should I take guys like Drake London, Brian Thomas Jr or AJ Brown over Justin Jefferson?
In the end, you do you... give me a guy with Achane's explosiveness (without question) over guys like Chase Brown & Kyren Williams... hands down, don't have to think about it. Jacobs has his own wrinkles that I am not going to layout in the Achane thread. The only one that I can say I would consider is Bucky Irving for Devon Achane and they are going 2 picks away from each other (according to ADP).
Even if he comes out of this season without injury, the knock will be more usage on a smaller frame. I just think the valuation on Devon Achane is all over the board. I drafted Achane in the middle of the 2nd round two years ago and he really hasn't increased much in value. He is only probably worth that same pick a round earlier. Achane owners could sell Achane for 1.05 and draft Treveyon Henderson, hoping he becomes the next Devon Achane...
I do see risk with owning Achane and I don't believe any player on anyone's roster is "untouchable" but for a decent ROI on Achane, I would want 2.5 + a 1st rounder before even considering the deal. Every RB has risk and I don't believe Achane's risk is greater than any other RB in the league, because the RB position is a high-risk/volatility position.
I think Achane is the 3rd or 4th best fantasy RB in the league right now. I am taking the CMC approach for now, hold and sell.