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Potential to be every down back or too small?He looks good, but usage seems to hinge on shaky QB play. Also, the goal line carries get vultured by Josh Allen.
Potential to be every down back or too small?He looks good, but usage seems to hinge on shaky QB play. Also, the goal line carries get vultured by Josh Allen.
Potential is there, but it seems like the staff has trust issues with him and Frank Gore stays on the fringes.Potential to be every down back or too small?
Devin Singletary rushed 21 times for 106 yards, adding one catch for eight yards in Buffalo's Week 12 win over the Broncos.
Singletary played a huge role in Buffalo's dominating win over the Broncos, gashing Denver's front-seven for gains of 8 and 10 yards out of the break to help setup Josh Allen's 18-yard touchdown strike to Cole Beasley (6/76/1) to push their lead to 13-0. Not only was Sunday the first career 100-yard rushing performance for the third-rounder, it happened to occur on the same day Frank Gore surpassed Barry Sanders (15,269) for No. 3 all-time in rushing yards with 15,289. Gore's still Buffalo's crowned goal-line back, but Singletary's quietly out-touched the vet 72 to 44 since Week 9. Consider the rookie a low-end RB2 on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys.
Devin Singletary rushed 18 times for 89 yards in the Bills' Week 14 loss to the Ravens, adding six receptions for 29 additional yards.
The 118 yards from scrimmage were Singletary's second most of the season, while his 38-yard rumble in the fourth quarter was his longest as a pro. His six receptions were a new career high. Although he doesn't generally break away for big plays, Singletary is slippery enough to routinely gain 4-5 yards. Playing more and more of the Bills' snaps, Singletary has solidified his RB2 stock for the fantasy playoffs, though the Steelers are an imposing Week 15 matchup.
Devin Singletary rushed 21 times for 87 yards and caught a pair of passes for two yards in Buffalo's Week 15 win over the Steelers.
The Bills again featured Singletary, who had snaps rates of at least 70 percent over the last three weeks. He was stopped just short of the goal-line on a 14-yard run that set up a Josh Allen touchdown. Singletary had a pair of fumbles but only lost one on a play where TJ Watt punched ball out from behind. The Bills still stuck with Singletary despite his ball security issues. Singletary has been one of the hotter backs in the league with at least 60 yards in five straight games. He’ll be an RB2 for a matchup with New England in Week 16.
As a transparency note, I do own Singletary in a heavy keeper league.He needs to fix the fumbles.
4 fumbles in 11 games, two of which happened in the same game, and resulted in 1 fumble lost. Hard to overstate just how ridiculous a take yours is...He needs to fix the fumbles.
The fumbles are definitely an issue, if for no other reason than Sean McDermott hates it and has tended to go to Gore more after his fumbles.As a transparency note, I do own Singletary in a heavy keeper league.
I actually wasn't too fazed by the fumbles, but would be curious to know if others share this perspective. I watched Singletary pretty closely last night as I have to make a keeper decision on him next year and haven't had a chance to see him play an entire game.
On the first fumble, my perspective was the result was more of a great play by Watt than a negative play by Singletary. Singletary had the ball wrapped with his fingers and notched in his elbow, and fairly close to his body. Watt's strip attempt from behind was perhaps unexpected. I imagine there aren't many RBs in the NFL that aren't going to get stripped on a play like that.
On the second fumble, if you watch the replay, Singletary's leg is twisted in an extremely awkward direction. Despite the strip attempt, he held on to the ball until the point where his leg was bent to the max out of a shape that any leg should be bent. Frankly, I'm amazed he didn't get hurt on the play.
The fact that the coaching staff kept trotting him out there also indicated to me they didn't see the fumbles as a Singletary-specific problem, per se.
Would be curious to know if others share this perspective. Certainly, his four fumbles on the year have to be taken into account.
That's true, but Singletary was back out there pretty quick. I could be totally off base here, just how I saw it.The fumbles are definitely an issue, if for no other reason than Sean McDermott hates it and has tended to go to Gore more after his fumbles.
Make no mistake, the fumbles were absolutely 100% the reason that Gore was in after White’s INT rather than Singletary and that decision by McDermott may have cost the Bills 4 points.
I had your reaction when I first watched him in a Bills uniform this pre-season, not impressed. He's grown on me since then though. Not a athletically dominant rb or anything, but he knows how to cut through the defense and time his jukes to get by defenders sometimes. The guy above who compared him to Devonta Freeman probably nailed it.I've had him all year long but haven't started him much, and last night was the first time I got to really watch him play. He seemed... not great? I'm not even all that concerned about the fumbles, since it hasn't been a season-long issue, but he just seemed like a guy back there. Get the ball, tip-toe up to the line and get swallowed up. He had a few nice runs where he made a smart cut, but I wasn't seeing a ton of burst or anything that looked like game-breaking ability. Is he banged up? The Steelers just played that well? Or is this what he is?
That's true, but I suspect that Gore's complete ineffectiveness had a lot to do with that. If the Bills had a better complementary RB, Singletary may have spent more time on the bench after the second fumble. Just speculation obviously, but that does seem to be how McDermott rolls.That's true, but Singletary was back out there pretty quick. I could be totally off base here, just how I saw it.
He actually reminds me a lot of two similar RBs: Frank Gore and Curtis Martin.I had your reaction when I first watched him in a Bills uniform this pre-season, not impressed. He's grown on me since then though. Not a athletically dominant rb or anything, but he knows how to cut through the defense and time his jukes to get by defenders sometimes. The guy above who compared him to Devonta Freeman probably nailed it.
And the Steelers defense is among the best in the league this year.
With guys who fit this profile I see a ton of upside if the line improves, also. If they make holes he will find them.He actually reminds me a lot of two similar RBs: Frank Gore and Curtis Martin.
Neither guy had burner speed, but they had excellent vision, knew how to set guys up, always plowed ahead for extra yards, and just simply understood how to be a running back. That’s Devin Singletary. His vision is absolutely elite. And there are plenty of highlights for him from this year making defenders look silly when he sets them up and they whiff.
My answer is heavily league-dependant: 12 teams, 4 keepers per team, so a chance to keep a starting RB is a great opportunity. I can keep Singletary as an 8th round pick out of 17 next year, so there's good value there to do so. Of course, we'll need to see how the offseason churn pans out.Y’all keeping him next year?
In the NFL 4 fumbles in 11 games is a lot. He is a rookie, he needs to work on that, how is that a ridiculous take? A lot of coaches pull a RB out of a game after 1 fumble. Miles Sanders got benched earlier this year on a fumble.4 fumbles in 11 games, two of which happened in the same game, and resulted in 1 fumble lost. Hard to overstate just how ridiculous a take yours is...
Curtis Martin was actually pretty fast, but it isn't just the 40 time that was bad for Singletary, his 3 cone and SS were dreadful as well. I admittedly haven't looked into it much, not sure if there's been some explanation like he was sick/injured or something, but if those numbers are representative of his speed and quickness, it's hard to get super excited about his upside.He actually reminds me a lot of two similar RBs: Frank Gore and Curtis Martin.
Neither guy had burner speed, but they had excellent vision, knew how to set guys up, always plowed ahead for extra yards, and just simply understood how to be a running back. That’s Devin Singletary. His vision is absolutely elite. And there are plenty of highlights for him from this year making defenders look silly when he sets them up and they whiff.
Dont let combine numbers shape your opinion of his athletic ability.Curtis Martin was actually pretty fast, but it isn't just the 40 time that was bad for Singletary, his 3 cone and SS were dreadful as well. I admittedly haven't looked into it much, not sure if there's been some explanation like he was sick/injured or something, but if those numbers are representative of his speed and quickness, it's hard to get super excited about his upside.
your last sentence is right on, especially at home.I had your reaction when I first watched him in a Bills uniform this pre-season, not impressed. He's grown on me since then though. Not a athletically dominant rb or anything, but he knows how to cut through the defense and time his jukes to get by defenders sometimes. The guy above who compared him to Devonta Freeman probably nailed it.
And the Steelers defense is among the best in the league this year.
Is he the bellcow going forward into the future or do you see them bringing someone else in?Over the last 5 games he has the 4th most carries in the league for the 4th most yards.
This, THIS is why I come to the Shark Pool. This.Over the last 5 games he has the 4th most carries in the league for the 4th most yards.
Absolutely the bell cow. They love him. And not just the coaches and front office, the players RAVE about him.Is he the bellcow going forward into the future or do you see them bringing someone else in?
He’s got loads of these types of highlights from this season. He’s constantly making defenders look silly. I don’t care what his workout numbers look like, the guy is a flat out baller. He makes guys miss in tight spaces, he makes guys take bad angles, he finds every crease and hole, he falls forward for that last extra yard. He just needs to learn better ball security, to catch the ball before running with it, and to improve a bit in blitz pickup (something he isn’t terrible at but could be a touch better at).Curtis Martin was actually pretty fast, but it isn't just the 40 time that was bad for Singletary, his 3 cone and SS were dreadful as well. I admittedly haven't looked into it much, not sure if there's been some explanation like he was sick/injured or something, but if those numbers are representative of his speed and quickness, it's hard to get super excited about his upside.
Ha, you are quick... I just posted that gif!He’s got loads of these types of highlights from this season. He’s constantly making defenders look silly. I don’t care what his workout numbers look like, the guy is a flat out baller. He makes guys miss in tight spaces, he makes guys take bad angles, he finds every crease and hole, he falls forward for that last extra yard. He just needs to learn better ball security, to catch the ball before running with it, and to improve a bit in blitz pickup (something he isn’t terrible at but could be a touch better at).
Great move and all, but what it that net him? Zero additional yards, and he coughed the ball up. Would have been better off just plowing ahead for another 2-3 yards (and holding onto the ball obviously).GroveDiesel said:He’s got loads of these types of highlights from this season. He’s constantly making defenders look silly. I don’t care what his workout numbers look like, the guy is a flat out baller. He makes guys miss in tight spaces, he makes guys take bad angles, he finds every crease and hole, he falls forward for that last extra yard. He just needs to learn better ball security, to catch the ball before running with it, and to improve a bit in blitz pickup (something he isn’t terrible at but could be a touch better at).
Didn't really fumble in college despite a huge workload over 3 seasons. this also on top of the kind of runner he is with lots of second level penetration. he's hard to tackle, physical in his style. He doesn't need to "fix" anything because it's not a problem. He's not Tiki Barber.Kevrunner said:In the NFL 4 fumbles in 11 games is a lot. He is a rookie, he needs to work on that, how is that a ridiculous take? A lot of coaches pull a RB out of a game after 1 fumble. Miles Sanders got benched earlier this year on a fumble.
The level of competition he faced in college is no where near what he’s facing in the NFL and he just needs to learn to hold onto the ball better and I’m sure the coaches are working with him on his ball security. I know in college, fumbling wasn’t an issue, but so far in the NFL he has 4 fumbles in only 164 carries. He needs to fix that.Didn't really fumble in college despite a huge workload over 3 seasons. this also on top of the kind of runner he is with lots of second level penetration. he's hard to tackle, physical in his style. He doesn't need to "fix" anything because it's not a problem. He's not Tiki Barber.
Also there's no correlation between combine numbers vs NFL success after controlling for draft status.Biabreakable said:Dont let combine numbers shape your opinion of his athletic ability.
Dalvin Cook had worse 3 cone than Singletary. These RB are good at what they do.
I would add in that the skill the 3-cone is meant to test is something that Singletary, to the naked eye, seems to do well on the field of play - rapid cuts and changes of direction to evade defenders.Also there's no correlation between combine numbers vs NFL success after controlling for draft status.
I think his point was to disprove the poor 3 cone scores which apparently are designed to measure skills like this. Over time he'll hopefully make smarter decisions with his running but the ability is there it would seem.Great move and all, but what it that net him? Zero additional yards, and he coughed the ball up. Would have been better off just plowing ahead for another 2-3 yards (and holding onto the ball obviously).
smcindoe said:I've had him all year long but haven't started him much, and last night was the first time I got to really watch him play. He seemed... not great? I'm not even all that concerned about the fumbles, since it hasn't been a season-long issue, but he just seemed like a guy back there. Get the ball, tip-toe up to the line and get swallowed up. He had a few nice runs where he made a smart cut, but I wasn't seeing a ton of burst or anything that looked like game-breaking ability. Is he banged up? The Steelers just played that well? Or is this what he is?
Your comment here reminds me of my comment above from a few months ago. There is something that looks very "just a guy" about him, but yet he continues to consistently produce, week-in and week-out. There are dozens of RBs out there who can't find work right now who have better measurables than Singletary, better top-end speed, etc. But I kid you not, Singletary looks to have elite field vision and, for lack of a better term, instinct while running the ball.What kinda strikes me about Singletary is that he looks almost-unnatural running the ball, but yet he seems to produce good results when he gets it. On the "eye test", he looks slow. Like he has the long strides of a player about 6 inches taller yet with the legs of a 5'7" RB. It's strange looking. That said, he's shown time and time again this year that he's capable of making players miss and breaking tackles. He's like a weird, shifty bowling ball with a very low center of gravity. Whatever he's doing, it seems to be working, when they can get him the ball.
TD against the Eagles
Some preseason highlights
He reminds me a lot of Stevie Johnson except at RB. Stevie was never the fastest. Didn't have superglue hands. Didn't run the cleanest routes. Not a combine warrior. But for whatever reason, he was consistently productive. You never really knew why, but he was always there where and when they needed him. Singletary strikes me as that kind of player.
With the benefit of getting to watch him week in and week out, what do you make of the formation usage of Singletary, in regard to his receiving potential?Your comment here reminds me of my comment above from a few months ago. There is something that looks very "just a guy" about him, but yet he continues to consistently produce, week-in and week-out. There are dozens of RBs out there who can't find work right now who have better measurables than Singletary, better top-end speed, etc. But I kid you not, Singletary looks to have elite field vision and, for lack of a better term, instinct while running the ball.
I don't think he will ever be elite simply because he does not have the truly elite athleticism of a guy like, say, Zeke Elliott or Saquon Barkley. But I am convinced from watching all of his games this year that he has what it takes to be an above-average starting RB in the NFL, especially in a good offense for him....which is what the Bills are currently running. Fantasy-wise, I understand the concerns, especially with Allen vulturing his goalline TDs and with limited pass-catching numbers. Overall I think he has a pretty bright future in the NFL.
All I said was he needs to work on his fumbling. You list 2 of the greatest RBs in NFL history. If you are saying that Singletary is already in this group than he absolutely has nothing to worry about. But, I am not putting Singletary in the Hall of Fame just yet. I read a article that the NFL's average fumble rate last season for its Top 10 leading rushers was one for every 124.5 offensive touches. Right now Singletary is way above this ratio and needs to work on it. Can't see how that wasn't worth mentioning. I need to remember never post negative information, my bad.Motor has 4 in 164 touches. 0.0243 per touch.
Emmitt had 7 in 265 as a rookie. 0.0264.
Barry had 10 in 304 as a rookie. 0.0329.
Currently he has similar touches and the same amount of fumbles as Kamara and Gordon.
I don't think he's as bad of a receiver as people think he is, but I don't think it's anything that the Bills are really hammering right now. He's ranked tied for 29th in the NFL among targets for RBs. Granted he missed a handful of games, but the Bills simply don't throw to their RBs a ton, even Lesean McCoy only had 46 targets last year (compared to Singletary's 40 this year to date). He also ranks 148th in the NFL in terms of yards per target. The Bills screen game under Brian Daboll has been essentially non-existent...not that that's the end of the world, just the way the offense is designed.With the benefit of getting to watch him week in and week out, what do you make of the formation usage of Singletary, in regard to his receiving potential?
My main TV exposure to him has been the Cowboys game, the Steelers game and the second half of the Ravens game (too busy watching the Bears ). I can't find any accurate counts of this, but anecdotally I've seen him lined up as a wide receiver and in the slot numerous times. I believe I've only seen him get one target from these plays (the screen pass on Sunday in the 2nd half that was called back for a penalty), but again, this is not any reasonable statistical count. The formation use makes me wonder if they see potential for him in the passing game. What's your take on this?
The 3 cone doesn't measure making guys look silly so I don't think that's it. Making guys miss is great and all, but in the NFL there's usually going to be another guy there very quickly, as we saw in that clip.I think his point was to disprove the poor 3 cone scores which apparently are designed to measure skills like this. Over time he'll hopefully make smarter decisions with his running but the ability is there it would seem.
Dunno.Hard to see him ever being "elite" IMO.
Cook is out??? Last thing the team reported was that he was feeling good and should be able to play.Welp, since Cook is out and I didn't get Boone, unless Mattison shows any signs of playing, I'm rolling him out as an RB2.
Somebody please tell me it'll be ok
I would really really not plan on starting Cook after the reports out this morning from Schefter and others:Cook is out??? Last thing the team reported was that he was feeling good and should be able to play.
https://ffstudentdoc.home.blog/2019/12/18/the-vikings-backfield-injuries/
If Cook subluxated shoulder then he'll be fine. If he dislocated then he'll be out. Team thinks he's fine.
Both Cook and Mattison held out of practice today. The problem is that it is a MNF game so I don't think I can take the chance to wait.SCT said:Cook is out??? Last thing the team reported was that he was feeling good and should be able to play.
https://ffstudentdoc.home.blog/2019/12/18/the-vikings-backfield-injuries/
If Cook subluxated shoulder then he'll be fine. If he dislocated then he'll be out. Team thinks he's fine.
i have him but i'm not sure i see anything special there. i think he's fine and borderline good but they certainly may try to bring in some competitionWhere do you guys see him being drafted in non ppr 12 Teamers next year? Wondering if he’s a good keeper and can take the next step.