Krilons Resa
Footballguy
If Cooks is out, something tells me that Ty Johnson is the one to grab.
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I think that's the case as well.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I think Davis is the one to own. He's got more of a chance of being a three down back IMO. I believe Ty Johnson is more of a third down back.
Ty Johnson has great speed and has been decent in a backup role. Can any Lion or Jet fans chime in ... @BobbyLayne , @rockaction
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I lean toward Ty Johnson. McDermott tends to stick with players he has known longer and has historically not given rookies larger roles unless forced to.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I suspect they'll both have about equal value, but IMO Johnson is the better play in PPR for the receptions.
Bills Defense hasn't been great, potentially putting them in game-flow situations that favor the receiving back. In PPR, that's gonna give Johnson a leg up. Plus he's the more experienced player, and may be the better blocker in general.
But Davis could be used on early downs and at the stripe, making both of them a "what the heck" flex. The caveat here is that Allen is also used at the stripe, so Davis could lose TDs to his QB. That's less than ideal. If he's not getting receptions & he's not scoring short yardage TDs, you're looking at a line like 12/56/0 0/0/0
I don't see a monster ceiling for either player in what's likely to be a RBBC. Maybe 10-14 points for each back? Maybe more for Johnson if it's a shootout or the Bills fall behind?
Johnson is fast, but never looked like a very good RB on the Lions. I've heard that he was better on the Jets, but can't speak to that.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Ty got that salty VETERAN stink on him. I agree Davis has looked far superior and I would choose him if I have to.
Because what you are saying could not be further from the truth.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Davis has 26 carries to Johnson's 10 and they both have 4 catches.
I just copied what I wrote in another thread:
Johnson has got more snaps in every game then Ray in all but one game, which was week 2, and last week Davis only got two snaps to Johnson's 21.
Ray Davis was targeted on both snaps he played last week.
Suffice to say I don't think it's as clear cut as Johnson just playing third downs and Ray coming in to give Cook a breather and that's certainly not how they were utilized last week.
I have watched quite a few Bills games and after 2 or 3 series it was always Davis who came in to give Cook a rest and he looked good early in the year. Johnson is more of a 3rd down back.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Day 3 miss, which was typical of the Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia era. Didn't do much in his rookie year other than run fast in a straight line. Doesn't wait for creases to develop, not a one cut downhill runner - liked to bounce wide if there wasn't daylight there. Goes down easy beyond the LOS. Good athlete, decent receiver. The Lions brought in ADP and took Swift in the 2nd round his Y2, he got waived a few weeks into the season. Saw him often with the Jets and always thought he was pedestrian.
Feel like Johnson is a better athlete but I like Davis as a better football player. But they both seem like replacement level or below, I imagine Josh will run the ball a bit more and neither has much of a chance to take the reins while Cook is out. Ty Johnson does not strike me as a guy you'd want to give a ton of goal to go carries to, and if I'm the Bills I probably know Allen is their best chance to capitalize down there.
I took JC in the 4th but am looking at other solutions. It's worth noting I make incorrect calls so take that with a grain of salt.
Oh. and Frank Gore, Jr, likely comes up from the practice squad. His college tape was underwhelming.
These are not the droids we are looking for, but all 3 HBs have graded out well this year so it's within the range of outcomes they have some success while Cook is dealing with his metatarsophalangeal (MTP) joint sprain.
Not all turf toes are the same. I have an arthritic toes (bone on bone joint pain) and do a routine to ameliorate the pain.
That's just not true and not sure how you can say that when Davis only played 2 snaps last week.
Like most people here I also watch a lot of Bills games and Ray Davis primary role has been the closer, not the backup. 19 of his 26 carries have been with a lead, 16 of those 19 with a 15+ point lead and 17 of his 27 carries in the 4th quarter.
I don't know how it would look if Cooks is out but I don't see any way of framing him as being the guy that's been the primary backup.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think both play a lot with no Cook
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I think Cook is fine and is getting veteran rest. Their game is Monday. He practices tomorrow and Saturday and this whole thread is a nothing burger.I think both play a lot with no Cook
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, but isn't the odds of the sky falling always high here? In the event the sky truly does fall, I believe both the backups get plenty of play.I think Cook is fine and is getting veteran rest. Their game is Monday. He practices tomorrow and Saturday and this whole thread is a nothing burger.I think both play a lot with no Cook
I would think so but his particular convo was in response to Schmeabs saying Davis had been rotating series with Cook and wondering why anyone would think TJ was the play.I think both play a lot with no Cook
I'd imagine I see it like most people here. Ray Davis looks good and Ty's a replacement level looking type of fringe roster guy but coaches see things differently then us.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I like the cut of your jib
Last week Bills were playing from behind hence more Johnson. Not sure if Davis was hurt either. All I know is first several games Davis was definitely the back up.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
We are sharks in a pool. We shouldn’t be worried about the sky.Yeah, but isn't the odds of the sky falling always high here? In the event the sky truly does fall, I believe both the backups get plenty of play.I think Cook is fine and is getting veteran rest. Their game is Monday. He practices tomorrow and Saturday and this whole thread is a nothing burger.I think both play a lot with no Cook
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Big issue is he plays MNF and if there's no certainty come Sunday you are forced to either bench him or you must have at least a good of player to replace him if you don't. Here's the latest news by rotowire.
Thu, Oct 10, 3:47 PMROTOWIRE.COM
Cook (foot) didn't practice Thursday.
Spin: Cook did some work on a side field but was then held out of practice for a second straight day, leaving his availability for Monday's game against the Jets in doubt. He'll have two more chances to practice before the game, with Ty Johnson and Ray Davis positioned for more snaps and touches if Cook doesn't end up playing. Davis played only three snaps in Sunday's 23-20 loss to Houston, but he might be the lead runner if Cook is inactive, as Johnson mostly has been used on passing downs throughout this pro career.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
We are sharks in a pool. We shouldn’t be worried about the sky.Yeah, but isn't the odds of the sky falling always high here? In the event the sky truly does fall, I believe both the backups get plenty of play.I think Cook is fine and is getting veteran rest. Their game is Monday. He practices tomorrow and Saturday and this whole thread is a nothing burger.I think both play a lot with no Cook
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
See the Jets coming out hot after the firing and Bills will probably need more of a pass catching RB than ground and pound one. Jets defense solid so I see a better chance Bills getting behind vs up and where they can use Davis to pound the rock. Anything's possible but feels like a game where Bills won't be able to run as much as dump passes more to Ty (1 TD catching).
rockaction
Footballguy
Great speed but not much between the tackles. I don't know about Cook's status; but it's a Monday night game so this might be maintenance although he does have a designation that sounds a bit ominous. I have no idea who Buffalo is going to want carrying the ball if Cook is out. I just don't know.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Right now I'm between waiting for Monday for Cook/Davis (depending on if Cook starts), or locking in Tank Bigsby or Jerome Ford on Sunday.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Who wins this trade?
Brian Robinson Jr + Aiyuk
for
James Cook and Garrett Wilson
Brian Robinson Jr + Aiyuk
for
James Cook and Garrett Wilson
BladeRunner
Footballguy
cook and wilson side of the deal.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I like the Dalvin Cook David Wilson side
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I hope we get something substantial before noon else I’m playing 2 TEs to avoid a 0 at my flex.
From Rotoworld:
James Cook (foot/toe) did not practice Friday.
Cook has yet to practice this week, though his Friday status is just an estimation from the team as they only held a walkthrough. Still, it’s a bad sign for Cook and puts him on the wrong side of questionable heading into the weekend. The Bills play on Monday, giving him a shot at returning to practice on Saturday. If he is ruled out, Ty Johnson and Ray Davis will split the Buffalo backfield. Davis would likely see more of the between-the-tackles work, putting him on the RB2/3 border.
James Cook (foot/toe) did not practice Friday.
Cook has yet to practice this week, though his Friday status is just an estimation from the team as they only held a walkthrough. Still, it’s a bad sign for Cook and puts him on the wrong side of questionable heading into the weekend. The Bills play on Monday, giving him a shot at returning to practice on Saturday. If he is ruled out, Ty Johnson and Ray Davis will split the Buffalo backfield. Davis would likely see more of the between-the-tackles work, putting him on the RB2/3 border.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
It happens. The optic is bad for sure.I am glad Cook fixed this, but how do you go to a club, rack up nearly a thousand dollar tab, then forget to pay it..LMAO
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x.com
probably had one or two more drinks than he should have.I am glad Cook fixed this, but how do you go to a club, rack up nearly a thousand dollar tab, then forget to pay it..LMAO
x.com
at least he made it right.
irish eyes
Footballguy
From what I've read seems like not intentional. He made it right & they have no problem with him and said is welcome back. Much ado about nothing.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
If you rack up that kind of tab, you should be drunk enough that forgetting to pay is expected. The better question is who doesn't take a card.I am glad Cook fixed this, but how do you go to a club, rack up nearly a thousand dollar tab, then forget to pay it..LMAO
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zoonation
Footballguy
People who aren’t used to paying.If you rack up that kind of tab, you should be drunk enough that forgetting to pay is expected. The better question is who doesn't take a card.I am glad Cook fixed this, but how do you go to a club, rack up nearly a thousand dollar tab, then forget to pay it..LMAO
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markrc99
Footballguy
Considering all of what you sourced & a quick search & we see that (a) bottle, meaning one plus tax and gratuity may likely have been above what he paid. He may not even have pressed the service button, may have been nobody did. What about it, huh? They assume themselves past the door. Excuse me, are you Mr. Smith? No, oh I must've gotten it wrong somehow. My perfect record, flushed down the dung hole, I'm gonna die. You'll forgive me, I'm all a flutta, I'm getting evicted today from my home... for going to church & being nice to everybody. But before I go & since I'm here, on my tray are only the finest spirits..... Shall I?
https://www.venuboston.com/bottle-menu/
"It's not uncommon for celebrities and athletes to show up to VENU, and unfortunately amongst the excitement, things happen."
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I think I’m risking it instead of flexing Kraft.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Think I’d go with Tucker, he’s getting peppered and all of the GB WRs not named Reed are dinged up, running bad routes, suspended or have duck feet where their hands should be,
Me, I’m looking at starting a lottery ticket running back.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Robinson being out makes Ekeler over Cook a no brainer for me. I think.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like it. Though oddly, McNichols has looked good the last two weeks.
That offense is humming, any piece of it is a good idea.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
He’s definitely the wild card. Figure in PPR Ekeler should be safe either way. Gimme 12-15 points and I’ll be happy.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Upon reflection and looking back at the precedent set this year, high probability Cook doesn’t play tomorrow. Tucker it is.
