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RB Melvin Gordon, BAL (1 Viewer)

Alerts in the injury thread claiming it is his hip.

farrow in for the whole subsequent series as far as I could tell. For potential replacement purposes.

 
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An alert I received called it a hip, not leg.  Not sure if that's accurate, just posting what was sent out.  We'll see.

 
tommyGunZ said:
I'm riding Gordon in multiple leagues, and while I love the production, I think this is the week to roster Farrow, just in case.  Workload is piling up and while I absolutely love Gordon's physicality, he's taking some shots.  
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Good call!

Tex

 
georg013 said:
Saw some people making fun of the Gordon injury. Uncool. Not hip at all. Praying for a speedy recovery. 
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Not sure if you were referring to me getting an alert that it was a hip injury, but that wasn't an old person joke. It really was reported as a hip injury.

:shrug:

 
That's great news but I really need Gordon next week.  I guess that's possible?  I know you guys and no one else knows the answer to that :unsure:

 
Only thing I'm worried about is whether he'd play just to get his 1k yards and then bow out - or will he play for the entire game.  I don't want to start a guy only to watch him get benched after picking up 3-5 yards in his first series.

 
Barrow has to be one of the top waiver priorities.  However, those of us that played Gordon this week may not have been lucky enough to actually care now,  

 
Assuming Gordon is out, Farrow has such a wide range of potential usage depending on Hillman role.  If Hillman is going to play sparingly like mccluster did... then Farrow has rb1 upside this week.  If Hillman is going to play all 3rd downs, then Farrow becomes a 12 to 15 carry hope for a td rb2/3(basically what 2015 Gordon was... Which was not fantasy useful)

I haven't seen any reporting yet on Hillman usage other than beat writer speculation... Maybe today we learn more

 
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iamkoza said:
Assuming Gordon is out, Farrow has such a wide range of potential usage depending on Hillman role.  If Hillman is going to play sparingly like mccluster did... then Farrow has rb1 upside this week.  If Hillman is going to play all 3rd downs, then Farrow becomes a 12 to 15 carry hope for a td rb2/3(basically what 2015 Gordon was... Which was not fantasy useful)

I haven't seen any reporting yet on Hillman usage other than beat writer speculation... Maybe today we learn more
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Why would you think hillman would suddenly come in and take majority of the reps?

 
Gordon was at a charity event yesterday and showed up in a cart and carefully got out. He walked around ok but slow and easy like. He will not play this week from what video I saw on a local tv newscast.

 
I may be in minority, but Hillman is a competent back.  His lack of special teams ability makes him difficult to roster.

Sd has a history of splitting rb work prior to this season.  

 
Starting Farrow with some confidence.  I think he would get any and all goal line looks in addition to early down work.

 
packer_junkie said:
Maybe not majority but I'm scared of what his role will be. Farrow getting blasted in pass pro doesn't help ease my mind. 
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This. I would foresee a split in carries with Hillman for this exact reason, even with Farrow doing fairly well last weekend. Simply doesn't have the pass pro chops that Hillman has.

Totally expect Farrow on 1st and 2nd down, and Hillman on 3rd and passing downs. Gameflow and success may dictate that one gets more of a lion's share, but I expect the split to be near 50/50 early on in the game. 

 
Per Schefter

Chargers RB Melvin Gordon (hip) is not expected to play Sunday vs. Raiders, per source. Remains a chance Gordon will play again this season.

i just don't think I'm trusting my week 15 game to Farrow (if I get him).  Too much unknown. I'd rather roll with Ware and Martin in my one league. Kelley in another. 

 
Assuming most redraft have championship in Wk 16, safe to assume he's droppable at this point?  Hip and Knee issues keeping him out this week.  Even if gimpy, is he a start vs CLE in wk 16?  I'd imagine Chargers would run Farrow/Hillman out there and try to minimize any damage to their star RB.  Preserve him for next year.  Right?

 
Peak said:
Assuming most redraft have championship in Wk 16, safe to assume he's droppable at this point?  Hip and Knee issues keeping him out this week.  Even if gimpy, is he a start vs CLE in wk 16?  I'd imagine Chargers would run Farrow/Hillman out there and try to minimize any damage to their star RB.  Preserve him for next year.  Right?
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This is a really good question.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
This. I would foresee a split in carries with Hillman for this exact reason, even with Farrow doing fairly well last weekend. Simply doesn't have the pass pro chops that Hillman has.

Totally expect Farrow on 1st and 2nd down, and Hillman on 3rd and passing downs. Gameflow and success may dictate that one gets more of a lion's share, but I expect the split to be near 50/50 early on in the game. 
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Fact is Hillman hasn't played in a long time.   He's second fiddle to farrow until proven otherwise 

 
Peak said:
Assuming most redraft have championship in Wk 16, safe to assume he's droppable at this point?  Hip and Knee issues keeping him out this week.  Even if gimpy, is he a start vs CLE in wk 16?  I'd imagine Chargers would run Farrow/Hillman out there and try to minimize any damage to their star RB.  Preserve him for next year.  Right?
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IMO he is droppable. Local reports have not been encouraging about his prospect of returning.

 
need2know said:
Fact is Hillman hasn't played in a long time.   He's second fiddle to farrow until proven otherwise 
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He played for MIN after they picked him up this year when AP went down. Only logged 18 carries for 56 yards through Weeks 7 through 11 until they cut him, but he spent the entire preseason with Denver, Sept. through Nov with the Vikings, and then resigned the day after he was released to the Chargers.

Your statement makes it seem like he's not been involved in football for a while. He's been practicing and playing pretty much throughout the year. 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
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He played for MIN after they picked him up this year when AP went down. Only logged 18 carries for 56 yards through Weeks 7 through 11 until they cut him, but he spent the entire preseason with Denver, Sept. through Nov with the Vikings, and then resigned the day after he was released to the Chargers.

Your statement makes it seem like he's not been involved in football for a while. He's been practicing and playing pretty much throughout the year. 
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How many real carries does he have with the San Diego chargers?

 
i watched the mike mccoy presser from today and he didn't give away a whole lot other than gordon is not playing this week.

probably a case of hearing what i want to hear... but i thought it was interesting to note he was asked about hillman and he didnt exactly give a andy reid like "he'll be involved" comment, he basically spoke to how hillman has been picking the offense up more each week in practice... how it wasnt quite the same offense he was in with mccoy from denver. he defnitely did not commit any level of usage to expect from hillman but the response provided to the hillman question was not one you'd hear about a player youa re counting on... didn't even give the coach speak of having to step up for the injured guy.  

im guessing he'll be sprinkled in but farrow is getting a 75-25 split of the rb touches (purely my speculation based on mcclusters use and mccoys vague comments today), blowing all my FAAB on him this week as i have nothing at RB

 
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iamkoza said:
i watched the mike mccoy presser from today and he didn't give away a whole lot other than gordon is not playing this week.

probably a case of hearing what i want to hear... but i thought it was interesting to note he was asked about hillman and he didnt exactly give a andy reid like "he'll be involved" comment, he basically spoke to how hillman has been picking the offense up more each week in practice... how it wasnt quite the same offense he was in with mccoy from denver. he defnitely did not commit any level of usage to expect from hillman but the response provided to the hillman question was not one you'd hear about a player youa re counting on... didn't even give the coach speak of having to step up for the injured guy.  

im guessing he'll be sprinkled in but farrow is getting a 75-25 split of the rb touches (purely my speculation based on mcclusters use and mccoys vague comments today), blowing all my FAAB on him this week as i have nothing at RB
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If you don't commonly watch McCoy press conferences, I suggest you don't base your decisions about what he said in one. :2cents:  

 
Interview with Anthony Lynn - Head Coach, Los Angeles Chargers

Excerpt:

[Melvin Gordon is] a good running back right now. He's a sophomore going into his junior year. I expect him to take the next step. He's still learning. I'm going to probably put him in more schemes. We like to run the ball in multiple ways and put stress on the defense as much as we can, and he's going to benefit from that. I want to get him through the line of scrimmage clean sometimes. I thought last year he did a heck of a job of creating yards after contact. I want to get him through the line of scrimmage clean and get him on the safety and see him win one-on-ones. Good backs in this league, they can take what the defense gives them; elite backs take what the defense gives them and then win their one-on-ones the majority of the time.
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The team re-signed Branden Oliver and signed Kenjon Barner. This means the team currently has 5 RBs on the roster (not including FB Watt): Gordon, Farrow, Andre Williams, Oliver, and Barner. Oliver hasn't played since Nov 15 due to injuries, but he was a solid receiving back when he played.

So it looks like he and Barner could be competing for the #2 RB role, equating to the third down back role. I suppose the team could still bring in another player, whether via draft or free agency, but for now it feels like this is good for Gordon from a fantasy perspective... big dropoff from Woodhead to Oliver/Barner.

Not sure it is particularly good from an NFL perspective, especially since Gordon has not been able to stay healthy through a full season so far. For that matter, the only one of these 5 players who was able to play in the final game of last season was Williams. The rest were on IR. And Oliver is coming off an Achilles injury...

 
Just Win Baby said:
Not sure it is particularly good from an NFL perspective, especially since Gordon has not been able to stay healthy through a full season so far. For that matter, the only one of these 5 players who was able to play in the final game of last season was Williams. The rest were on IR. And Oliver is coming off an Achilles injury...
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Not worried about his durability. Last season's injury was a freak incident. Got his leg rolled up on trying to grab River's fumble. Would happen to anybody. Even lucky it wasn't worse. That's exactly why Cam was smart not to dive for his fumble in the SB a couple years ago. That's what happens around those piles.

 
Re-ranking the 2015 RB class: The Todd Gurley conundrum

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2) Melvin Gordon, Los Angeles Chargers

Originally drafted: Round 1, No. 15 overall.

First impressions can contaminate the consensus regarding a player long after that player transforms. Gordon's first impression was full of false steps. There is a fine line between patient and tentativefor pro running backs, and it took a season for Gordon to explode over that line.

Through Week 13 of the 2016 campaign -- Gordon's last full game of the season, thanks to hip and knee injuries -- only two running backs had more than his 1,411 yards from scrimmage: Ezekiel Elliott (1,607) and David Johnson(1,709). Football Outsiders' numbersknock Gordon for being inefficient, but that doesn't take into account the Chargers' awful run-blocking. Gordon was hit in the backfield or swarmed by multiple defenders just as much as Todd Gurley was in 2016, but Gordon still created seven runs over 20 yards compared to Gurley's two. (Pro Football Focus ranked the Chargers' run-blocking No. 27 in the NFL, one spot behind the Rams.)

Gordon reminds me of a lesser, bigger version of Jamaal Charles. Both players are incredible at making cuts while moving forward. They both set up blockers well, waiting for holes to develop before picking their lane. Gordon doesn't explode quite like Charles, but both runners force bad angles from defenders because they go from zero to fast like few others. Gordon runs with an athletic arrogance that jumps off the screen. To use Cam Newton's words, Gordon was "dripping goo" on his runs as the season wore on. (Am I doing this right?) The numbers support it: Gordon got better in the second half of games and the second half of the season.

Why Gordon is ranked ahead of Gurley: I didn't want to be a prisoner to 2016 alone when coming up with these rankings. But it's just as misleading to only focus on Gurley's incredible first month in the NFL. If Gordon's 2016 season had been his first impression with NFL fans, he'd rightly be seen as a complete top-10 running back for years to come. He's a terrific receiver and better in space than Gurley. That's where today's game is played. Gordon might not have the upside of Gurley, but I have a handle on what Gordon is at the pro level after two seasons.
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