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RB Melvin Gordon, BAL (3 Viewers)

Honest question: How many wins do you think the NYJ will have in 2022 assuming Hall is their leading rusher?
Hall was the fourth player they took. Your post was silly.

The Jets should/could win 6-8 games this season and will be in the mix next season (2023) You’ve obviously not been paying much attention to what they’ve been doing and just wanted to sound like you did.

To say the team won’t be good until Hall’s deal runs out so they shouldn’t have drafted him is ridiculous- so the team should expect to be bad for 4 years? Do you even know what they gave up to “move up” or how far they actually “moved up”. 

At some point you have to surround your young QB with weapons and let him sink or swim - this season is about that. 

 
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Honest question: How many wins do you think the NYJ will have in 2022 assuming Hall is their leading rusher?
Six or seven games. That's not the point. I disagree with your premise, which is that you need a contending team in order to even barely justify taking an RB in the second round the way that the Jets did. Even PFF, which had one guy slag them for doing what they did, walked it way, way back when their main guys got in front of the camera. 

And there's reasons for that.

First, the way the draft fell, all of the premier offensive tackles were already gone by #36.

Second, only EDGEs with questions remained at the premier positions. There was no premier QB, CB, DE, or OT to be seen, an if there was, only OT hadn't already been addressed by the Jets in the offseason and draft.

Third, the #146 that they dealt in order to move up over Houston (who was rumored to be taking Hall) has a hit rate of making the pros that is minuscule. That's not a premier pick to have dealt. Odds are staggeringly against that guy at #146 making a meaningful impact in the pros, whereas the ability to move up over a team likely to pick the guy you have a first-round grade on is a significant motivation and reason to deal.

Fourth, it was their fourth pick. They'd already gone BPA/need at those premier positions listed above.

And fifth, there's the team situation. You have a second-year QB that needs a solid ground game around him to take pressure off of him. He was shaky last year. If you're confident in your line (and this is the big question mark of the Jets' draft) then you can take a running back at that position in the draft. 

So no, Melvin Gordon and kicking the can down the road with Michael Carter was not the best move for the Jets. The best move was what they did. The process isn't as faulty as analytics guys have it. In fact, analytics, when you look at hit rates by pick and position, would say that the deal for Hall was an insignificant enough loss to justify it, and that the need was there, as was the player board for Hall (he was nineteenth on their board). 

I normally loathe taking RBs that early. But at some point in the second, they will be taken. The hit rates at RB (at least for fantasy purposes) are also starting to be measured historically with more accuracy, and you don't get premier talent sitting on the corner so much anymore. For every James Robinson or Elijah Mitchell, there's twenty guys that don't sniff the field as late draft picks. Jets went blue chip. 

Now, will it work? I don't know. Hall's running style is a patient one, and the old 49ers system wants one-cut-and-go guys. We will see about the line and how Hall adapts. 

But the process was nowhere near as faulty as some (and you) have made it out to be. 

 
This guy, by positing some sort of nebulous and unspoken discontent with Gordon's attitude, might as well write, "I have a problem with Gordon's attitude and think he's a me-first player," because I hadn't heard that perception before now. Seems new. It's a weird sort of way of passing off one's personal feelings as nebulous fact, something op-ed writers do all the time. 

Set up your own theory as nebulous fact, and then refute or confirm it. Terrible article, really. If he has sources, come with them, even if they're unnamed. But to bring an article like that, in that style, is weak-### sauce. 

 
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This guy, by positing some sort of nebulous and unspoken discontent with Gordon's attitude, might as well write, "I have a problem with Gordon's attitude and think he's a me-first player," because I hadn't heard that perception before now. Seems new. It's a weird sort of way of passing off one's personal feelings as nebulous fact, something op-ed writers do all the time. 

Set up your own theory as nebulous fact, and then refute or confirm it. Terrible article, really. If he has sources, come with them, even if they're unnamed. But to bring an article like that, in that style, is weak-### sauce. 
It is a bad article. The writer said:

It’s no small detail that Gordon and Big Russ made magic at Wisconsin a decade ago.
Wilson played one season at Wisconsin in 2011. Montee Ball and James White combined for 487 touches... Gordon was a freshman who got 20 touches... an afterthought.

 
Six or seven games. That's not the point. I disagree with your premise, which is that you need a contending team in order to even barely justify taking an RB in the second round the way that the Jets did. Even PFF, which had one guy slag them for doing what they did, walked it way, way back when their main guys got in front of the camera. 
That's fine. Most people have them either going 5-12 this season or 6-11. Which is a fairly big jump for a team that has gone 6-27 over the past two years. People are expecting a fairly huge jump in winning percentage already. I guess my point is they aren't in the middle of a rebuild.... they are still mixing concrete to pour the foundation of a rebuild. And for the record, they didn't "take a RB in the second round". They traded up for the right to select a RB in the second round. Worst of all, they had to trade up for their own pick to draft the RB in the second round because they had already traded up for a pass rusher in a draft full of pass rushers. But I'll go down your points.

First, you are right they decided to pass on the elite pass protectors with their first pick in the draft. With Becton "almost at 100%" from a week 1 injury from last year I probably would have gone with an OT as their 1st pick but honestly I would draft OL higher than most NFL teams seem to value OL. It just makes "to help Zack Wilson" talk ring a little hollow to me.

Second,  I don't think Mafe, Ojabe, or Paschell had major question marks. In fact that's precisely why I think a 6-27 team shouldn't have traded up to 26 for Johnson. I'm strongly in the belief that NFL teams aren't as good at picking individual picks as they think they are so trading up and losing picks in the process is a pretty bad idea but never more so when you are trying to upgrade a roster with a .182 winning percentage over the past two seasons. If anything those teams need MORE picks to replace the players that have proven they don't really belong on an NFL roster.

Third, I have no doubt that it's entirely possible the NYJ woudn't have been able to draft anyone worthwhile with pick #146. But that doesn't mean that the pick doesn't have value. The LA Rams, who not only have eclipsed a .182 winning percentage but have recently won a SB, have used the #146 pick or later to find starters like David Edwards, Sebastian Joseph-Day, Jordan Fuller and depth players like Ogbannia Okoronkwo and Micah Kiser.

Fourth, if ANY PART of the reasoning for a 6-27 team is "Well, we already got three guys in this draft" then that part of team building is broken almost beyond repair. I just disagree even if the Jets were a Super Bowl champion.

Fifth, probably has the most holes. I completely agree they should be doing everything under their power to help Zack Wilson look better than David Mills because if you are comparing how they have looked in the NFL so far it's a blowout and Mills wins that contest by a wide margin. I know, I know "but Mills got to play with the UBER talented HOU roster!" people will say. FWIW HOU drafted Thomas Booker with a pick after #146 and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he contributed to HOU being slightly better than if they didn't have the pick but I digress. So if helping Wilson is job #1 I likely would have taken one of the blue chip OT's with their 1st pick. They didn't. But the Jets could have used pick #69 to draft either Abraham Lucas or Berhard Raimann.... if they hadn't already traded up to take a pass rusher in a draft where they already had pass rushers available to them at their own pick near the top of the second round. In a world where pick #146 has no value can we at least agree that pick #69 has SOME VALUE? BTW, I don't even dislike Max Mitchell but there is no way I would have taken him over Lucas and Raimann. Had they not used the Max Mitchell pick at OT they could have had a RBBC of Carter/Isaiah Spiller or Zamir White/Gordon/Coleman instead of Hall/Carter/Coleman. To make this point crystal clear I think the Jets are horrible because of the QB position much more than whatever their RBBC is and helping protect the QB means more than shuffling the RB chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

I didn't even realize I was making some sort of hot analytics take that a single RB as part of a RBBC has been de-emphsized in the NFL. For a long time. A long, long time. The past EIGHT Superbowl champions have had ONE thousand yard rusher on the roster. That guy was named LeGarrett Blount for the Eagles in 2017 who they signed coming off a 3.9y/rush year. The Eagles signed him a huge one year contract for 1yr/$2.8mil in his age 31 season. (shrug) That sounds an awful lot like Melvin Gordon to me. Maybe I'm an outlier because I never thought Melvin Gordon was some stud to begin with just because he produced fantasy stats. He was always a solid plugger to me just like Blount, and imo he's still the same solid plugger. It's important to have a RUNNING GAME, it's less important to have a RUNNING BACK imo. Again, if that's some sort of new analytical hot take I'll take the heat for that opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong and Breece Hall will magically turn into the first round Fred Taylor type that he seemed to morph into after the college football season had ended(oddly enough). It just seems to me based on how the Super Bowl champions seem to be trending riding Hall to thousand yard seasons and treating day 3 picks as expendable doesn't seem like the formula to win a SB. And for that matter maybe the Jets MIGHT go from 6-27 to 6-11 which let's be honest is a pretty huge jump in winning % based on drafting Hall. If THAT is the victory you are ultimately looking for I agree that trading up for Hall may do that for you. So maybe we agree on more than you think we do. I do watch PFF on youtube from time to time but I can honestly tell you my opinions are not shaped in anyway by them. So if they agree with you and the last PFF guy has reluctantly admitted that the best team building for a 6-27 team is to trade up into the top 40 for a RB...... then I'm fine with being on an island.

 
But I'll go down your points.
You really didn't. You sort of just posited that they were a .182 team and ad hominem'd them to death. You insist they could have found bench depth at #146 or drafted a lesser talent at #69 or whatever and then used anecdotal evidence from one team instead of league-wide data. I'm too tired to go into your sort of...well...screed point-by-point. 

It was a long post that totally ignored history aside from the "1000 yard rusher" as some sort of benchmark. Let me clue you in: That's because of the Patriots, injury, and Tom Brady. That the Rams didn't have a 1000 yard rusher is due solely to injury. McVay uses a bellcow every chance he gets, and his system is designed for it. Akers just tore his achilles last year. That's why he wasn't getting twenty-plus carries a game. The Patriots had Tom Brady. The Bucs had a bellcow when Jones and Fournette were each injured, and it was each other. Fournette got over twenty carries the way home in the Bucs' run. 

So that's incorrect when one looks a little deeper at the data. 

No, it's not some hot analytics point that the NFL is largely a 60-40 split, and your obnoxious way of putting it and coloring me calling it "analytics" was not lost on me. 

I'm not going to bother with another long response. The proof will be in the pudding. Your disagreement is frankly very unpersuasive. You seem to think that players are interchangeable, and come from the Belichick/fantasy school of "more darts to throw." Hope it serves you well in your analytic future. The Jets, this time, totally disagree with you and decided that a backup linebacker like you list for the Rams (they're mostly backup linebackers who rarely play, aside from Jordan Fuller who is indeed their nickel safety) isn't worth the decline in talent from Breece Hall. I'm trusting the Jets on that one. I tend to agree with them. You know where backup linebackers and nickel safeties are in the league? Worse than running backs. They're sitting there like Tre Boston, begging for the phone to ring. 

 
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"Broncos running back Melvin Gordon didn’t practice on Wednesday and it remains unclear when he might return to action.

Head coach Nathaniel Hackett said after the session that a foot injury was the reason why Gordon did not take part in the session. Hackett said the team is trying to manage Gordon’s health so that he will be ready to play come the start of the regular season."


Time to bump Pacheco.
 

Melvin Gordon rushed 12 times for 58 yards in the Broncos' Week 1 loss to the Seahawks, adding two catches for 14 yards on two targets.​

Javonte Williams out-carried Gordon 5-3 in the first half, but Gordon had the 8-4 edge after the break. Williams, however, led the team with 12 targets, catching a career-high 11 for 65 yards. Both backs got chances at the goal line from the one-yard line, but both Gordon and Williams had back-breaking lost fumbles on those looks. The Broncos really beat themselves with the turnovers. As the coaches alluded to all offseason, Gordon has a prominent role in this backfield and will be a passable RB3/FLEX next week at home against the Texans.
Sep 12, 2022, 11:57 PM ET
 

Melvin Gordon rushed 12 times for 26 yards and a touchdown in Denver's Week 3 win over the 49ers, adding five catches for 29 yards on six targets.​

22 of those receiving yards came on a Russ Wilson chest pass as he scrambled forward into what looked to be a tackle near the line of scrimmage. Gordon had two fumbles: one on another catch where he was lucky to recover it on his own in front of the defender who forced it, and another on a run that Russ fell on. However, Gordon got both Broncos red zone carries on their only visit to the territory and came away with a fantasy-saving touchdown run. Denver take on Las Vegas in Week 4 and Gordon will be on the FLEX line.
Sep 25, 2022, 11:51 PM ET
 
Uninspiring performance salvaged by a couple red zone carries.
Two fumbles were recovered but still concerning.
Near the top of my dropsville list along with D. Henderson to try to get A. Mattison who's somehow on waivers (redraft).
 
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Melvin Gordon (neck) will play Week 4 against the Raiders.​

Gordon was limited early in the week, but he got in a full practice Friday and was left off the final injury report. Denver's struggling offense has not produced the scoring opportunities fantasy managers expected, but Gordon has a decent touch floor and a good shot at whatever touchdowns the Broncos are able to produce. That keeps him in the FLEX conversation.
Sep 30, 2022, 6:24 PM ET
 
MeGo will be my top WW priority (if available) this week.

Just so I can cut his ***. If Paton/Hackett won't do it, I will.
 
This is why I aimed for the back half of all these RB committees just in case of injury(Javonte, waiting on Penny(jk)) or under performance. I have Gordon but really afraid of his fumbling issues. He's got all the opportunity in the world now but he needs to hold on to the ball. Boone might be a speculative add
 
Had faith in him but seeing him in tears at his press conference didn’t inspire a lot of confidence

hope he can turn a page, 33 year old Latavius doesn’t scare me but broken confidence sure dies
 
Latavius Murray
I think they will be bringing in a few folks before the end of the season.

And not to point this out but as I recall in Seattle, after Lynch retired or left didn't Seattle go thru RBs like water or several seemed to be the lead RB at one point or another? Maybe has something to do with Wilson, just a coincidence of course but worth noting.
 
Devontae Booker is a free agent and is 2 years younger than Murray at 30 years old,...yes that makes Murray 32 years old
DeVonta Freeman had over 750 yds and 6 TDs last year, he's walking the streets and had a tryout for SF a couple weeks ago
 
Latavius Murray
I think they will be bringing in a few folks before the end of the season.

And not to point this out but as I recall in Seattle, after Lynch retired or left didn't Seattle go thru RBs like water or several seemed to be the lead RB at one point or another? Maybe has something to do with Wilson, just a coincidence of course but worth noting.

Devine Ozigbo​

The Broncos have carried just three running backs on their active roster to begin the 2022 campaign. They now have two with Williams hurt and heading for IR. The good news is they have another back stashed on their practice squad who will likely be the next man up at the position, at least ahead of their "Thursday Night Football" matchup against the Colts in Week 5.

That would be Devine Ozigbo. The 26-year-old Ozigbo signed with the Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2019 and is now with his fourth different NFL team. He spent time with the Saints (three stints), Jaguars (two stints) and Patriots (one stint) before the Broncos claimed him off waivers on Aug. 22, 2022.


Ozigbo hasn't logged much NFL action over his career and has been better as a receiver than a running back. He has 13 career catches for 72 yards and 25 rushing yards on 11 carries. Most of that came in 2019 and 2020 with the Jaguars.

If the Broncos decide they want a more proven option at the running back position, then they could pursue players like Jalen Richard, Devonta Freeman or David Johnson. Additionally, the team could go after a player like Dexter Williams, a former Green Bay draft pick who has experience in Hackett's offensive systems.
 
Latavius Murray
I think they will be bringing in a few folks before the end of the season.

And not to point this out but as I recall in Seattle, after Lynch retired or left didn't Seattle go thru RBs like water or several seemed to be the lead RB at one point or another? Maybe has something to do with Wilson, just a coincidence of course but worth noting.

Devine Ozigbo​

The Broncos have carried just three running backs on their active roster to begin the 2022 campaign. They now have two with Williams hurt and heading for IR. The good news is they have another back stashed on their practice squad who will likely be the next man up at the position, at least ahead of their "Thursday Night Football" matchup against the Colts in Week 5.

That would be Devine Ozigbo. The 26-year-old Ozigbo signed with the Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2019 and is now with his fourth different NFL team. He spent time with the Saints (three stints), Jaguars (two stints) and Patriots (one stint) before the Broncos claimed him off waivers on Aug. 22, 2022.


Ozigbo hasn't logged much NFL action over his career and has been better as a receiver than a running back. He has 13 career catches for 72 yards and 25 rushing yards on 11 carries. Most of that came in 2019 and 2020 with the Jaguars.

If the Broncos decide they want a more proven option at the running back position, then they could pursue players like Jalen Richard, Devonta Freeman or David Johnson. Additionally, the team could go after a player like Dexter Williams, a former Green Bay draft pick who has experience in Hackett's offensive systems.
Those are terrible options. Gordon will get his chance.
 
I am m going after L. Murray this week as my top FA add. He looked strong this last game for the Saints. I don’t think the team can trust Gordon anymore. He had several costly fumbles last year as well. Boone had two wide open pass drops—with one that would have extended the drive.
 
I did know Gordon had the most fumbles (25) and lost (18) of any player in the last decade. That’s not good. May not be fixable. As a Gordon owner this pains me. Still think he gets the shot. Murray’s running style doesn’t seem to be as good of a fit here as it was in New Orleans
 
I don't care that everyone is down on Gordon; I'm going to trade for him right now just in case he sticks as the lead back. I'm not afraid of Boone or Murray.
 

Broncos OC Justin Outten told reporters Melvin Gordon would "carry the load obviously."​

"We’ll have a mix of (Mike) Boone and after that we’ve got to figure out who can spell and who feels best in that position. But we trust Melvin going forward here," Outten added. Not that this is a surprise, but it sure sounds like Gordon has found his way into extended playing time. Mike Boone probably can't be trusted as more than a bench stash or deep FLEX option right now.
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Oct 4, 2022, 5:10 PM ET
 
I did know Gordon had the most fumbles (25) and lost (18) of any player in the last decade. That’s not good. May not be fixable. As a Gordon owner this pains me. Still think he gets the shot. Murray’s running style doesn’t seem to be as good of a fit here as it was in New Orleans
Small hands? :unsure:

(9.75" - 85th Percentile)
 
I did know Gordon had the most fumbles (25) and lost (18) of any player in the last decade. That’s not good. May not be fixable. As a Gordon owner this pains me. Still think he gets the shot. Murray’s running style doesn’t seem to be as good of a fit here as it was in New Orleans
L Murray has 1 fumble in 652 touches since 2018. I could see the Broncos fall in love with his dependability.
 
Tough to really make much of anything tonight in such an awful game (thanks TNF).

- Gordon 103 scrimmage yards
- Boone 85 scrimmage yards

Will be interesting to also see what they plan for Murray now with a decent showing from both those guys.
 

Melvin Gordon rushed 15 times for 54 yards in the Broncos' Week 5 loss to the Colts, adding three receptions for 49 additional yards.​

The good news for Gordon is he didn't fumble in this one -- although he did have a close call at one point. While Gordon and the Broncos' offense appeared limited at times, the 29-year-old vet did show some playmaking ability on various plays throughout the night. Gordon operated as Denver's clear lead back in this one, totaling 18 opportunities to Mike Boone's 10. He narrowly missed securing the win for the Broncos in overtime when he was stopped just short of the end zone on an inside run. With a Week 6 matchup against the Chargers on tap, Gordon can be treated as a top-24 back with upside for more.
Oct 7, 2022, 1:09 AM ET
 
Given the offensive offenses in this game Gordon didn't have a bad night imop.
I mean IF either team had crossed the goal line and HE was the player who did it we'd be talking about what a nice fantasy game he had
 
To me, Gordon's performance last night gives me the ability to easily get L. Murray off waivers as many will believe that Gordon is the guy to have. This offense is in shambles and if you believe Cecil, the Bronco's were about to cut Gordon after last game prior to the Williams injury. Latavius then spurned the Saints to sign with the Broncos....I don't know that he does that if he's going to be a backup to Gordon...he would just stay in NO and be a backup to Kamara.
 
and if you believe Cecil,
then you haven't been paying attention to his history
I also happen to agree with Cecil (not that they were going to cut him but that the team is fed up with him). Gordon has fumbled 5 games in a row and last night was a knee from going 6 for 6. I think it's highly doubtful that Murray does anything substantial but we know what Gordon is (which isn't good) so I'll take a shot at the unknown which in all likelihood won't work out but it's worth a shot with the last roster spot on my bench for a game or two.
 
. Gordon has fumbled 5 games in a row and last night was a knee from going 6 for 6.
LOL - he was clearly down on a knee for a considerable amount of time before the ball was punched out so mentioning that shows some bias.
I have zero bias...it's not like Gordon let up or the play was dead...it was pretty bang bang. The ball was punched out and he was lucky his knee was down. Given his fumbling problems every team is going to target him even more. If I'm a coach I'm thinking Gordon was lucky he had his knee down and almost fumbled AGAIN. His ball security does not inspire confidence....quite the opposite.

I own none of the players and don't have much optimism for any of them or the offense as a whole. I'm just giving my opinion on the situation.
 
I have zero bias...it's not like Gordon let up or the play was dead...it was pretty bang bang. The
We’ll disagree then, he was clearly down and the play was over.
Seems to me it's somewhere in the middle. Yes, he was clearly down before it came out, but it's not like he gave himself up and tossed the ball away, he still coughed it up. I'm pretty sure the coaches aren't happy about it.
 
To me, Gordon's performance last night gives me the ability to easily get L. Murray off waivers as many will believe that Gordon is the guy to have. This offense is in shambles and if you believe Cecil, the Bronco's were about to cut Gordon after last game prior to the Williams injury. Latavius then spurned the Saints to sign with the Broncos....I don't know that he does that if he's going to be a backup to Gordon...he would just stay in NO and be a backup to Kamara.
New Orleans put him back on the practice squad after the game so he wouldn’t have even been a backup to Kamara. In Denver, he’s at least on the active roster even if he only gets a few carries a game. Seems like a clearer path to relevance with a less talented starter in Denver to overtake.
 
I have zero bias...it's not like Gordon let up or the play was dead...it was pretty bang bang. The
We’ll disagree then, he was clearly down and the play was over.
Seems to me it's somewhere in the middle. Yes, he was clearly down before it came out, but it's not like he gave himself up and tossed the ball away, he still coughed it up. I'm pretty sure the coaches aren't happy about it.

Yep, he still doesn’t have a good handle on the football….
 

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