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Browns rookie, former Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins arrested on domestic violence charge
Browns rookie and former Ohio State running back Quinshon Judkins was arrested on July 12 in Broward County, Florida, on a domestic violence charge.
www.beaconjournal.com
“On July 12th, at approximately 9 a.m., Fort Lauderdale Police Officers responded to the 1500 block of West Cypress Creek Road in reference to a delayed battery," the Fort Lauderdale Police statement, released by Sergeant David Soika, said. "Officers arrived on scene and spoke with the victim. During their preliminary investigation it was determined a battery had occurred. The officers made contact with the suspect and placed him into custody. He was transported to Broward County Main Jail. The suspect has been identified as Quinshon Judkins, DOB 10/29/2003 and has been charged with Misdemeanor Battery (Domestic) FSS 784.03-1a1.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
So really nothing if misdemeanorBrowns rookie, former Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins arrested on domestic violence charge
Browns rookie and former Ohio State running back Quinshon Judkins was arrested on July 12 in Broward County, Florida, on a domestic violence charge.www.beaconjournal.com
“On July 12th, at approximately 9 a.m., Fort Lauderdale Police Officers responded to the 1500 block of West Cypress Creek Road in reference to a delayed battery," the Fort Lauderdale Police statement, released by Sergeant David Soika, said. "Officers arrived on scene and spoke with the victim. During their preliminary investigation it was determined a battery had occurred. The officers made contact with the suspect and placed him into custody. He was transported to Broward County Main Jail. The suspect has been identified as Quinshon Judkins, DOB 10/29/2003 and has been charged with Misdemeanor Battery (Domestic) FSS 784.03-1a1.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You never know when it comes to Goodell.So really nothing if misdemeanorBrowns rookie, former Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins arrested on domestic violence charge
Browns rookie and former Ohio State running back Quinshon Judkins was arrested on July 12 in Broward County, Florida, on a domestic violence charge.www.beaconjournal.com
“On July 12th, at approximately 9 a.m., Fort Lauderdale Police Officers responded to the 1500 block of West Cypress Creek Road in reference to a delayed battery," the Fort Lauderdale Police statement, released by Sergeant David Soika, said. "Officers arrived on scene and spoke with the victim. During their preliminary investigation it was determined a battery had occurred. The officers made contact with the suspect and placed him into custody. He was transported to Broward County Main Jail. The suspect has been identified as Quinshon Judkins, DOB 10/29/2003 and has been charged with Misdemeanor Battery (Domestic) FSS 784.03-1a1.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Twitter also posted the ray rice video saying it was judkins.
Not sure why you'd say that.So really nothing if misdemeanorBrowns rookie, former Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins arrested on domestic violence charge
Browns rookie and former Ohio State running back Quinshon Judkins was arrested on July 12 in Broward County, Florida, on a domestic violence charge.www.beaconjournal.com
“On July 12th, at approximately 9 a.m., Fort Lauderdale Police Officers responded to the 1500 block of West Cypress Creek Road in reference to a delayed battery," the Fort Lauderdale Police statement, released by Sergeant David Soika, said. "Officers arrived on scene and spoke with the victim. During their preliminary investigation it was determined a battery had occurred. The officers made contact with the suspect and placed him into custody. He was transported to Broward County Main Jail. The suspect has been identified as Quinshon Judkins, DOB 10/29/2003 and has been charged with Misdemeanor Battery (Domestic) FSS 784.03-1a1.
Deshaun Watson essentially missed 28 games and he was not charged with a crime. Antonio Brown missed 23 games and mainly over an allegation which went to civil trial, was not convicted of anything.
TripItUp
Footballguy
a bit different than respected legal professionals accounts...but okay.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Should ask grok..of course he can be punished.
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Quinshon Judkins, arrested on July 12, 2025, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for misdemeanor domestic violence and battery, faces potential consequences from both the NFL and the Cleveland Browns, despite not having signed his rookie contract.
NFL Discipline: Under the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy, the baseline punishment for domestic violence is a six-game suspension, which could be applied regardless of contract status once the criminal case concludes. The NFL could also place Judkins on the Commissioner’s Exempt List (paid leave) during the investigation, a decision driven by the severity of charges and public relations concerns. This process does not depend on a signed contract, as the policy applies to all players under league jurisdiction.
Team Implications: As an unsigned draft pick (the only unsigned Cleveland Browns pick from the 2025 NFL Draft), Judkins’ contract negotiations may be complicated by this incident, particularly regarding guaranteed money. However, the Browns can still impose team-level discipline or adjust their roster plans, potentially elevating other running backs like Jerome Ford or Dylan Sampson.
Legal Context: Judkins is charged with a first-degree misdemeanor in Florida, carrying potential penalties of up to one year in jail, one year of probation, and a $1,000 fine. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and his initial court appearance was scheduled for July 13, 2025. The outcome of the legal process will likely influence any NFL or team actions.
In summary, Judkins can face NFL discipline and team-related consequences regardless of his unsigned contract, though the timing and extent depend on the resolution of his legal case and league investigation.
"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
What if they never sign him now and he becomes a FA?
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Obviously, this is a terrible situation and if he did anything he's a pretty terrible guy but as a Ford owner this is fairly good news.
Chaka
Footballguy
People are the worst.
Dez
Footballguy
Zeke got suspended for 6 games what again ?You never know when it comes to Goodell.So really nothing if misdemeanorBrowns rookie, former Ohio State RB Quinshon Judkins arrested on domestic violence charge
Browns rookie and former Ohio State running back Quinshon Judkins was arrested on July 12 in Broward County, Florida, on a domestic violence charge.www.beaconjournal.com
“On July 12th, at approximately 9 a.m., Fort Lauderdale Police Officers responded to the 1500 block of West Cypress Creek Road in reference to a delayed battery," the Fort Lauderdale Police statement, released by Sergeant David Soika, said. "Officers arrived on scene and spoke with the victim. During their preliminary investigation it was determined a battery had occurred. The officers made contact with the suspect and placed him into custody. He was transported to Broward County Main Jail. The suspect has been identified as Quinshon Judkins, DOB 10/29/2003 and has been charged with Misdemeanor Battery (Domestic) FSS 784.03-1a1.
Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
www.cbsnews.com
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
www.cbsnews.com
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It sucks because I went 2 QB, 4 WR in my start-up, and I’m waiting for 7.04 (4 picks) and Judkins was on my short list of RB to target here.
But that said, he wasn’t my 1st choice - I was more hoping that someone else would take him at the turn.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That is strangeAccusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Sounds like true loveAccusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Browns RB Quinshon Judkins' arrest gets statement from Ft. Lauderdale police sergeant
The Ft. Lauderdale police sergeant has released a statement on the arrest of Browns RB Quinshon Judkins. See what he had to say here:
brownswire.usatoday.com
Either it's true and something did happen but the victim didn't feel like she was in danger and didn't care enough or this is a false accusation. The waiting several days thing is pretty sus.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
The math isn't mathing here. Is the victim also trying to get a restraining order? Maybe they felt in danger until it ended?Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
It really depends on what the victim decides to do as to if this is bull or not
MAC_32
Footballguy
Clean record, high character...this franchise is cursed. If Judkins were drafted by the 49ers he'd be at habitat for humanity. Let's not wish upon this turning south and Sampson getting a shot. That happens and he won't get to week 1 without a pack of rabid turkeys gnawing his leg off.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Chaka
Footballguy
In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve seen this be as little as a bruise.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
I’m not defending him by any means. I’m just saying we’ve seen stuff like this turn into nothing.
And even if it is something, cooler heads often prevail and maybe the woman doesn’t press charges.
Hey, maybe he’s guilty as **** - not saying he isn’t. It’s just very premature to assume any outcomes is all I’m saying.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not for nuthin, he just went 7.02 in my start-up draft. His ADP is 57 (46-68) so at 74 that’s a bit past. If this blows over that’s gonna be a value.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
I was all over the Diddy trial and I was just posting about some things about it that are similar before I saw your post.Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
But tbh that's why Diddy got off of the two major charges. When the defense was able to show a pattern that the plaintiffs were willing participants is why he prevailed on two major charges which would have put him away for likely 10+ years.
I know when I was following the Diddy trial I thought he was an epic scumbag but I could not get upset at the verdict because if I was a member of the jury I don't think I could have reached a "beyond reasonable doubt" guilty verdict after seeing them willingly remain with him time after time. Hate to say it but it seemed painfully obvious to me that while they might not have liked it, they got rewarded in various means that it made it worth their while. Until it wasn't, then they felt bad and wanted retribution. Right now I feel the same way, I have a hard time buying a guilty verdict or thinking he did much wrong if you are going to hang around him for 4-5 days after. That just does not compute to me and I don't buy the "safety' angle as I imagine she had plenty of time in 4-5 days to seek safety.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Honestly? From all accounts it even seems like apples and oranges here. Diddy is powerful, Judkins might be big man on campus but he's just an NFL rookie. But there's a lot of people who knee jerk to the "but she didn't run away" when running away can be hard for someone in an abusive situation. Which we don't know it isn't yet. So I'm holding off to see if it's a single incident or a pattern of behavior.I was all over the Diddy trial and I was just posting about some things about it that are similar before I saw your post.Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
But tbh that's why Diddy got off of the two major charges. When the defense was able to show a pattern that the plaintiffs were willing participants is why he prevailed on two major charges which would have put him away for likely 10+ years.
I know when I was following the Diddy trial I thought he was an epic scumbag but I could not get upset at the verdict because if I was a member of the jury I don't think I could have reached a "beyond reasonable doubt" guilty verdict after seeing them willingly remain with him time after time. Hate to say it but it seemed painfully obvious to me that while they might not have liked it, they got rewarded in various means that it made it worth their while. Until it wasn't, then they felt bad and wanted retribution. Right now I feel the same way, I have a hard time buying a guilty verdict or thinking he did much wrong if you are going to hang around him for 4-5 days after. That just does not compute to me and I don't buy the "safety' angle as I imagine she had plenty of time in 4-5 days to seek safety.
I have to agree with you on the majority of your points though.
Judkins has probably been making a million plus the last few years and this is the only thing likely in his way of a getting about $12m more guaranteed. I think he's a long way from what we think of as old school BMOG. That's life changing money to a lot of people even if they can just get a little piece of it or have some generosity come their way. That seems like apples to apples to me but their are levels to this stuff.Honestly? From all accounts it even seems like apples and oranges here. Diddy is powerful, Judkins might be big man on campus but he's just an NFL rookie. But there's a lot of people who knee jerk to the "but she didn't run away" when running away can be hard for someone in an abusive situation. Which we don't know it isn't yet. So I'm holding off to see if it's a single incident or a pattern of behavior.I was all over the Diddy trial and I was just posting about some things about it that are similar before I saw your post.Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
But tbh that's why Diddy got off of the two major charges. When the defense was able to show a pattern that the plaintiffs were willing participants is why he prevailed on two major charges which would have put him away for likely 10+ years.
I know when I was following the Diddy trial I thought he was an epic scumbag but I could not get upset at the verdict because if I was a member of the jury I don't think I could have reached a "beyond reasonable doubt" guilty verdict after seeing them willingly remain with him time after time. Hate to say it but it seemed painfully obvious to me that while they might not have liked it, they got rewarded in various means that it made it worth their while. Until it wasn't, then they felt bad and wanted retribution. Right now I feel the same way, I have a hard time buying a guilty verdict or thinking he did much wrong if you are going to hang around him for 4-5 days after. That just does not compute to me and I don't buy the "safety' angle as I imagine she had plenty of time in 4-5 days to seek safety.
I have to agree with you on the majority of your points though.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
You're right, I hadn't even considered the money he'd already made. Still not used to college kids earning money.Judkins has probably been making a million plus the last few years and this is the only thing likely in his way of a getting about $12m more guaranteed. I think he's a long way from what we think of as old school BMOG. That's life changing money to a lot of people even if they can just get a little piece of it or have some generosity come their way. That seems like apples to apples to me but their are levels to this stuff.Honestly? From all accounts it even seems like apples and oranges here. Diddy is powerful, Judkins might be big man on campus but he's just an NFL rookie. But there's a lot of people who knee jerk to the "but she didn't run away" when running away can be hard for someone in an abusive situation. Which we don't know it isn't yet. So I'm holding off to see if it's a single incident or a pattern of behavior.I was all over the Diddy trial and I was just posting about some things about it that are similar before I saw your post.Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
But tbh that's why Diddy got off of the two major charges. When the defense was able to show a pattern that the plaintiffs were willing participants is why he prevailed on two major charges which would have put him away for likely 10+ years.
I know when I was following the Diddy trial I thought he was an epic scumbag but I could not get upset at the verdict because if I was a member of the jury I don't think I could have reached a "beyond reasonable doubt" guilty verdict after seeing them willingly remain with him time after time. Hate to say it but it seemed painfully obvious to me that while they might not have liked it, they got rewarded in various means that it made it worth their while. Until it wasn't, then they felt bad and wanted retribution. Right now I feel the same way, I have a hard time buying a guilty verdict or thinking he did much wrong if you are going to hang around him for 4-5 days after. That just does not compute to me and I don't buy the "safety' angle as I imagine she had plenty of time in 4-5 days to seek safety.
I have to agree with you on the majority of your points though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a very different college landscape financially speaking.You're right, I hadn't even considered the money he'd already made. Still not used to college kids earning money.Judkins has probably been making a million plus the last few years and this is the only thing likely in his way of a getting about $12m more guaranteed. I think he's a long way from what we think of as old school BMOG. That's life changing money to a lot of people even if they can just get a little piece of it or have some generosity come their way. That seems like apples to apples to me but their are levels to this stuff.Honestly? From all accounts it even seems like apples and oranges here. Diddy is powerful, Judkins might be big man on campus but he's just an NFL rookie. But there's a lot of people who knee jerk to the "but she didn't run away" when running away can be hard for someone in an abusive situation. Which we don't know it isn't yet. So I'm holding off to see if it's a single incident or a pattern of behavior.I was all over the Diddy trial and I was just posting about some things about it that are similar before I saw your post.Idk if you watched the Diddy trail, but I think it's a really stark reminder that people can be abused and then party with their abuser.Also the judge said he had probable cause that a battery had occurred.In the public statement the police in scene determined a battery occurred.That’s…weird.Accusation is odd to me but police and judge must see some merit in it.
His accuser is basically saying they got off the plane and he starts off their multiple day get away by immediately committing battery, but she sat on it for 5 days while she celebrated her birthday and just waited till probably the day he or they had to leave to report it?
Cleveland Browns rookie Quinshon Judkins accused of domestic violence in South Florida, court records show
In a preliminary statement to CBS News Miami, the Browns said that they are aware of Judkins' arrest and "gathering more information" about the incident.
IIRC, police are obligated to make the arrest upon report in some states? Might just be that.
Which is all a long way from guilty, but....
While I'm going to be dubious about an accusation where someone "celebrates" with someone for 4-5 days after having a battery offense committed against them by that person the fact the police and judge saw something to back up her claim obviously adds some credence to it.
Also it dawned on me that one of those patent statements by Judkins or his reps with one of those forceful denials in the matter has yet to come out and he got arrested yesterday early yesterday morning.
This is why I said it depends on what the victim does next.
But tbh that's why Diddy got off of the two major charges. When the defense was able to show a pattern that the plaintiffs were willing participants is why he prevailed on two major charges which would have put him away for likely 10+ years.
I know when I was following the Diddy trial I thought he was an epic scumbag but I could not get upset at the verdict because if I was a member of the jury I don't think I could have reached a "beyond reasonable doubt" guilty verdict after seeing them willingly remain with him time after time. Hate to say it but it seemed painfully obvious to me that while they might not have liked it, they got rewarded in various means that it made it worth their while. Until it wasn't, then they felt bad and wanted retribution. Right now I feel the same way, I have a hard time buying a guilty verdict or thinking he did much wrong if you are going to hang around him for 4-5 days after. That just does not compute to me and I don't buy the "safety' angle as I imagine she had plenty of time in 4-5 days to seek safety.
I have to agree with you on the majority of your points though.
markrc99
Footballguy
Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree that Tank is generally a JAG but he improved a lot. 2.6 to 4.6 ypc. They trusted him with 150 touches. Now that was a different staff and ETN was hurt all year but he at least showed he was better than his rookie year which was one of the worst seasons I've ever seen for a RB. However, Tank also fumbled 4 times which isn't great on just 150 touches. In college, Tuten fumbed 9 times his last 2 years in college on just 406 touches and fumbled his first touch of Jags minicamp. To me it points to ETN being the best value for redraft. Based on what we had seen from ETN previously in his career, I have to think his shoulder and hamstring injury played a big role in him struggling so much in 2024.
So to tie this back to QJ, I totally agree that his draft price (even pre-arrest) was too high given the quality of the offense he is on and fact he's probably not a big pass catcher. I would take Henderson, Harvey, Hampton and Williams over QJ. That said, I still like him over Tuten.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Then how do the Browns own his rights?
Birdie048
Footballguy
Owning the players "rights to play in the NFL" is not the same as being under contract "IN" the NFL.
Yes, this is a gray area on how to handle the punishment or PR side of it.
But it is a challenge for both sides.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Mee too, but please don't jinx HendersonTook Henderson over him in every rookie draft. Whew
zamboni
Footballguy
Even if he is exonerated of the charges and does not face any NFL suspension, not a good look at all for Judkins given that the franchise is still reeling from the Watson disaster. Obviously the way the NFL goes, if Judkins is all that, he's going to play plenty. But it's also possible that the team keeps him under bubble wrap for a bit to let the PR implications settle down.
efactor
Footballguy
You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He won't help you in the receiving game and seems to not be much of a dynamic runner. He's easily replaceable. If I'm wrong I'll own it, but I don't think I am. One thing I'll give him however, is that I can see Tuten taking more away from Etienne than Bigsby, who will have more of a power role. I can see him doing well at the goal line for several TDs.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Brooks to the PS? Really? I thought he would be RB2 in Cincy.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think fantasy players prop up rookies more than the NFL does. Brooks was the 193rd pick in the draft (6th round), so there is that.
