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RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (1 Viewer)

I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.
This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.


This is essentially what the government tried to argue in their prosecution against P Diddy to counter all the evidence the women willfully chose to stay and participate in his sexual encounters. In the end despite bringing in expert witness testimony to back up the kind of stuff you are saying in your post the jury still found their crediblity lacking, which is why he walked on two major charges.

But to me that's all beside the point because she actually addressed why she waited the 5 days in the police report and she said nothing about being scared or not able to escape. Just said she was going to sit on it as to not ruin his career but eventually after discussing it with friends and family she decided to go forward with it which just so happened to be the last day or two of an almost week long trip. To RC94's point that does strain credibility to me.

I will just add I'm assuming she was still in Ft Lauderdale when she called the police. But if it turned out she went home, family and friends saw the bruises, convinced her to contact the police. That's a different scenario that does make sense. But just hanging out with a guy for 4-5 days, waking up early on the last day or two of the trip deciding now's the time to report him does not make sense to me.
 
There's a reason you broke up. Trust that instinct and find someone else.
Browns running back Quinshon Judkins repeatedly punched woman during argument over texts, police report shows
... The report said Judkins and the woman lived together last year, between May and December. She told officers that she rekindled their relationship last month.
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Hmnn, what could 'possibly' have happened to make her change her mind....
He hasn't signed yet but this was projected.
2025 NFL Draft: Contract details revealed for Browns second-round pick Quinshon Judkins
... Per Spotrac, he’s projected to sign a four-year, $11.39 million deal.
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I can't figure.
True love?
 
There's a reason you broke up. Trust that instinct and find someone else.
Browns running back Quinshon Judkins repeatedly punched woman during argument over texts, police report shows
... The report said Judkins and the woman lived together last year, between May and December. She told officers that she rekindled their relationship last month.
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Hmnn, what could 'possibly' have happened to make her change her mind....
He hasn't signed yet but this was projected.
2025 NFL Draft: Contract details revealed for Browns second-round pick Quinshon Judkins
... Per Spotrac, he’s projected to sign a four-year, $11.39 million deal.
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I can't figure.
True love?
Not to excuse Judkins for his actions, but these guys have to realize they are a target and women want what they have. When you let dooner do your thinking for you, bad things happen.
 
Brooks to the PS? Really? I thought he would be RB2 in Cincy.
That would be great, but Brooks ran in the 4.5s, he's not unlike Moss & Perine. In redraft or short keeper leagues like mine, he's currently a guy you can get in the back of your draft. Brooks may get there but his draft capital, current fantasy ranking & ADP all suggest something different than what you're saying.

As for Tuten, I know that ETN is playing w/o a contract, nor is he seeking an extension.

"The Jacksonville Jaguars are making it clear this offseason: complacency won’t be tolerated. ... That approach underscores a broader shift within the organization—one focused on raising the roster’s ceiling through relentless competition at every position. ... Among those under the microscope is running back Travis Etienne Jr.—and not just because of stats.

According to ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler, league executives say Jacksonville’s new regime of coaches and executives is “not so high” on Etienne. That includes new general manager James Gladstone and head coach Liam Coen, both of whom have brought a new philosophy to town.
Rookie Bhayshul Tuten, in particular, is viewed as someone who could carve out an immediate role in the backfield."
He too is a guy we can get later, not saying it's going to work... Stevenson in New England is another RB1 I view as a weak lead.

 
I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?
The other teams defense
 
I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.
This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.
This is exactly what I've been trying to say, only well written.
 
I hate that my first thought reading that police report was that since it allegedly happened in his vehicle that there will be no video and it will ultimately be a he said / she said thing.

If it happened, I hope she's okay.
If it never happened, I hope her story crumbles.
I don't know that we'll ever know what really happened.
More of a he said, the bruises on her face say
 
In the Sirius XM FSGA Experts draft that is going on now Judkins and Ford just went 2 picks apart (14 team league)

Judkins pick 9.01 (113) and Ford 9.03 (115)

Dr Roto went zero RB he should gone Judkins in round 7 or 8 (over Mason or Spears) and would been pretty sweet even if Judkins got suspended 4-6 games.

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That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.
I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.
Sorry My Bad. I do not wish to say it was her fault .. but only that she instigated the situation ...

Reading the report she had apparently done something she was not willing to share with the police report that agitated him.
He said he was done with her after she did whatever she did and everybody was texting him about it.
The police report is missing any real disclosure from her on what happened.
Maybe she cheated on him with his dad and didn't want the cops to know, who cares? When you punch someone you become the bad guy, no matter what they're saying to you. If she was going at him physically then sure, but that's not what the statement says. And as of yet it's not what he's claiming.

This is like, playground logic man. The person who hits the other person first is wrong. We use our words and we walk away when we get angry. We don't hit.
 
That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.
I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.
Sorry My Bad. I do not wish to say it was her fault .. but only that she instigated the situation ...

Reading the report she had apparently done something she was not willing to share with the police report that agitated him.
He said he was done with her after she did whatever she did and everybody was texting him about it.
The police report is missing any real disclosure from her on what happened.
Maybe she cheated on him with his dad and didn't want the cops to know, who cares? When you punch someone you become the bad guy, no matter what they're saying to you. If she was going at him physically then sure, but that's not what the statement says. And as of yet it's not what he's claiming.

This is like, playground logic man. The person who hits the other person first is wrong. We use our words and we walk away when we get angry. We don't hit.
Agreed hitting makes him the villain but what if she gave him STD’s or something along those lines.
 
I've never hoped for one of those empty "my client did not do it and we intend to fight it every step of the way" statements then I do now.

I understand he was likely told to say nothing but leaving the jail with a blanket around his bowed down head, refusing to assert his innocence and not putting out that kind of statement now 48 hours after his arrest is not giving me great vibes.
 
That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.
I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.
Sorry My Bad. I do not wish to say it was her fault .. but only that she instigated the situation ...

Reading the report she had apparently done something she was not willing to share with the police report that agitated him.
He said he was done with her after she did whatever she did and everybody was texting him about it.
The police report is missing any real disclosure from her on what happened.
Maybe she cheated on him with his dad and didn't want the cops to know, who cares? When you punch someone you become the bad guy, no matter what they're saying to you. If she was going at him physically then sure, but that's not what the statement says. And as of yet it's not what he's claiming.

This is like, playground logic man. The person who hits the other person first is wrong. We use our words and we walk away when we get angry. We don't hit.
Agreed hitting makes him the villain but what if she gave him STD’s or something along those lines.
Can we get an STD v. Physical Violence matrix? I have to assume some of the lesser STD's are probably worth more of an open hand slap but 1980's AIDS probably gives you the right to punch her, her mom and her grandma. Lol.

I am kidding.

I don't take domestic violence lightly. The timing of this news means we will beat this subject to death, as we get through the doldrums of the off-season but we just have to see how it plays out.

Some people will shy away from drafting Judkins but I hope he will learn from this. Regardless of how this plays out, keep a close circle. I think that is the trade-off of becoming a pro/celebrity or in the public eye... any mistake made can cost millions.
 
The timing of this news means we will beat this subject to death, as we get through the doldrums of the off-season but we just have to see how it plays out.
Today in this thread we've covered the P Diddy trial, gold digging women, a disertation on why victims of abuse remain, STD's, 80's AID's, and the if she pulled a Mary Kate Cornett. So yeah, lol, we need another bone to chew on.
 
I've never hoped for one of those empty "my client did not do it and we intend to fight it every step of the way" statements then I do now.

I understand he was likely told to say nothing but leaving the jail with a blanket around his bowed down head, refusing to assert his innocence and not putting out that kind of statement now 48 hours after his arrest is not giving me great vibes.

Yeah I agree. Maybe he did what his accuser says he did, and he’s owning up to his actions. I think I’ll actually be surprised if he doesn’t hit the exempt list at this point.
 
Since we’re now going down the STD rabbit hole, will the Phillies pony up one of their top 3 prospects (Andrew Painter, Aiden Miller, or Justin Crawford) plus, for a stud closer like Emanuel Clase or Jhoan Duran before the trading deadline?
 
I am sorry I started this deviation ...

All I am saying (which was repeated above).... it takes 2 to tango and her "story" has holes in it.
Yes, he is the villain for hitting her but at the same time did she strike him 1st? We don't know the whole truth and likely never will. There is much we do not know of the situation.
Again, sorry I ever deviated. I do not condone the idea of his actions, but I can say that some women's actions create the situation where a man should walk away instead of striking out.
He chose the wrong path.
 
I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.
This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.


This is essentially what the government tried to argue in their prosecution against P Diddy to counter all the evidence the women willfully chose to stay and participate in his sexual encounters. In the end despite bringing in expert witness testimony to back up the kind of stuff you are saying in your post the jury still found their crediblity lacking, which is why he walked on two major charges.

But to me that's all beside the point because she actually addressed why she waited the 5 days in the police report and she said nothing about being scared or not able to escape. Just said she was going to sit on it as to not ruin his career but eventually after discussing it with friends and family she decided to go forward with it which just so happened to be the last day or two of an almost week long trip. To RC94's point that does strain credibility to me.

I will just add I'm assuming she was still in Ft Lauderdale when she called the police. But if it turned out she went home, family and friends saw the bruises, convinced her to contact the police. That's a different scenario that does make sense. But just hanging out with a guy for 4-5 days, waking up early on the last day or two of the trip deciding now's the time to report him does not make sense to me.
Def. agree. That's why I had to preface it first with this isn't what I really think happened. There are what we used to call yellow flags in her story still for sure. It will be interested how it's presented if/when it goes to court. IME, if she further explains and builds out the story she laid out, it tends to be viewed better. If she starts bending the story to more align with what I laid out; well that tends to be a lawyer coaching her to fit a narrative, a more familiar story people will recognize and sympathize with. Again, her telling the truth or bending it aside, court is such an ugly business the more you dive into it. So rarely about guilt or innocence, just about the "theater" at that point.

Diddy was a very interesting one for sure... not a 1:1 but those situations always remind me of the "Button, button" episode of Twilight Zone (or the movie The Box for people not as old as me haha). Hit the button and receive a large sum of money, but someone somewhere dies. Where does culpability lie? A surprising amount of people's answers will sway based on extenuating circumstances. How much money? Do they NEED the money? Who is it who dies? How many times did they hit it? A lot of the Diddy people were hitting the button but were victimizing themselves rather than a stranger. There's an often maligned gap in society where the majority of people can be disgusted with another person and believe they deserve to be punished, yet despite their actions they aren't really breaking the law. Or if they are, the punishments are not what we find commensurate with the crimes.
 
In redraft, he's likely to be a bit overrated. In dynasty, he's a bluechipper.

Beyond 2025, the longer term outlook looks much better for Judkins, but I'm wondering if we're overlooking Dylan Sampson, who was drafted in the 4th himself and could be the receiving complement.
Maybe your over looking Ford who signed that massive 1 year $1.75 million contract.

The Athletic’s Zac Jackson believes that Jerome Ford is “the starter for now” and will “still play and probably start early in the season.”
Ford aint no slouch. Could be a tip of the hat from the coaching staff to the vet. Hell, who knows? What if Ford balls out and they sign him to an extension? Then we have an ugly RBBC.
Yes the Browns drafted a RB at #36 overall to get him into an ugly RBBC was my guess as well.
At this point I would gladly take an ugly RBBC for his rookie year.
 
So honest question, I know his NFL rights were drafted but since he's not under contract yet can NFL actually punish him?
Good question. I have no idea. Sorry I'm no help, but I would like to know this as well.
ChatGPT says no, but im thinking they will do something if the charges hold.

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📝 Why unsigned rookies aren't suspended:​

  • .

⚠️ But they can still participate via a Rookie Participation Agreement:​

  • .
  • .

🔐 What about conduct policy/suspensions?​

  • The Personal Conduct Policy only applies once a player is under contract.
  • However, teams and the NFLPA have agreed that some provisions (like injury protection via the Participation Agreement) may still apply.
  • But until a deal is in place, there’s no official mechanism to suspend these rookies.

✅ Bottom line:​

SituationCan NFL suspend?
No contract or agreement signed❌ No – not employed, so no disciplinary authority
With Participation Agreement but no contract⚠️ No full contract, but can access limited protections
Once rookie contract signed✅ Yes – all standard rules apply

So in short: unsigned rookies can’t be suspended, because they’re not legally bound to the NFL yet. If they want to attend team workouts safely, they can sign the Participation Agreement—but that’s purely optional and still doesn’t put them on the hook for NFL discipline.
Let me know if you’re curious about how that Agreement protects players or when those standoffs usually resolve!
 
So honest question, I know his NFL rights were drafted but since he's not under contract yet can NFL actually punish him?
Good question. I have no idea. Sorry I'm no help, but I would like to know this as well.
ChatGPT says no, but im thinking they will do something if the charges hold.

.

📝 Why unsigned rookies aren't suspended:​

  • .

⚠️ But they can still participate via a Rookie Participation Agreement:​

  • .
  • .

🔐 What about conduct policy/suspensions?​

  • The Personal Conduct Policy only applies once a player is under contract.
  • However, teams and the NFLPA have agreed that some provisions (like injury protection via the Participation Agreement) may still apply.
  • But until a deal is in place, there’s no official mechanism to suspend these rookies.

✅ Bottom line:​

SituationCan NFL suspend?
No contract or agreement signed❌ No – not employed, so no disciplinary authority
With Participation Agreement but no contract⚠️ No full contract, but can access limited protections
Once rookie contract signed✅ Yes – all standard rules apply

So in short: unsigned rookies can’t be suspended, because they’re not legally bound to the NFL yet. If they want to attend team workouts safely, they can sign the Participation Agreement—but that’s purely optional and still doesn’t put them on the hook for NFL discipline.
Let me know if you’re curious about how that Agreement protects players or when those standoffs usually resolve!
Good information there, thanks. So, given this information, what is in the best interest of Judkins? Should he sign a contract, which gives the Browns leverage on negotiations because of the incident, so he can get his suspension overwith ASAP, or hope for a trade to a team that promises to give a better deal? Either way, he's going to be suspended most likely by the NFL once he signs a deal. We don't even know all the details yet, which could be bad or not as bad. I can see him not signing if the Browns lowball him.
 
Since we’re now going down the STD rabbit hole, will the Phillies pony up one of their top 3 prospects (Andrew Painter, Aiden Miller, or Justin Crawford) plus, for a stud closer like Emanuel Clase or Jhoan Duran before the trading deadline?
I mean, the Pirates have Bednar and Dennis Santana, phils can have them both for 2 bats in return, Crawford would be nice and some lesser guy in AA, or something like that. Really build up that bullpen for the 2nd half, win division, and be primed up for playoffs. Neither make much $ being on the Pirates.
Buccos GM is a muppet, so he can probably be taken advantage of again.
 
Since we’re now going down the STD rabbit hole, will the Phillies pony up one of their top 3 prospects (Andrew Painter, Aiden Miller, or Justin Crawford) plus, for a stud closer like Emanuel Clase or Jhoan Duran before the trading deadline?
I mean, the Pirates have Bednar and Dennis Santana, phils can have them both for 2 bats in return, Crawford would be nice and some lesser guy in AA, or something like that. Really build up that bullpen for the 2nd half, win division, and be primed up for playoffs. Neither make much $ being on the Pirates.
Buccos GM is a muppet, so he can probably be taken advantage of again.
I don't think the Pirates would get a top 3 prospect for Bednar / Santana. However, I do think the Phillies would have to part with a top 3 prospect+ to get Clase or Jh. Duran. I think the Phillies could offer up Abel and a lesser prospect and still get Bednar / Santana. What would be interesting is what the Phillies would give up for Bautista from Baltimore.
 
Since we’re now going down the STD rabbit hole, will the Phillies pony up one of their top 3 prospects (Andrew Painter, Aiden Miller, or Justin Crawford) plus, for a stud closer like Emanuel Clase or Jhoan Duran before the trading deadline?
I mean, the Pirates have Bednar and Dennis Santana, phils can have them both for 2 bats in return, Crawford would be nice and some lesser guy in AA, or something like that. Really build up that bullpen for the 2nd half, win division, and be primed up for playoffs. Neither make much $ being on the Pirates.
Buccos GM is a muppet, so he can probably be taken advantage of again.
I don't think the Pirates would get a top 3 prospect for Bednar / Santana. However, I do think the Phillies would have to part with a top 3 prospect+ to get Clase or Jh. Duran. I think the Phillies could offer up Abel and a lesser prospect and still get Bednar / Santana. What would be interesting is what the Phillies would give up for Bautista from Baltimore.
Bednar just won closer of the week or month or something. He's been an all star, he is a legit closer, on a good team would have 40+ saves. Pirates are overloaded with SP, I would hope their GM doesnt ask for any SP in any trade talks.
Not sure why the Phils would trade a top 3 prospect for any closer then. But, i really dont care, Pirates are cursed. :-(
 
Quinshon?
If you want stuff related to Quinshon, you might want to look elsewhere. This is a free for all. :laugh:
The problem is that not much can be said about his arrest until we know more. A lot of odd stuff being said. Except I do think @steelcityman made some good posts recently. Sorry about the baseball stuff. It was my way of saying the Judkins talk seems to be going down a rabbit hole.
 
Quinshon?
If you want stuff related to Quinshon, you might want to look elsewhere. This is a free for all. :laugh:
The problem is that not much can be said about his arrest until we know more. A lot of odd stuff being said. Except I do think @steelcityman made some good posts recently. Sorry about the baseball stuff. It was my way of saying the Judkins talk seems to be going down a rabbit hole.
I know. Just ribbing the room. Slow news cycles. 🥱 Getting ready to amp up with camps starting to open! 🥰
 
The timing of this news means we will beat this subject to death, as we get through the doldrums of the off-season but we just have to see how it plays out.
Today in this thread we've covered the P Diddy trial, gold digging women, a disertation on why victims of abuse remain, STD's, 80's AID's, and the if she pulled a Mary Kate Cornett. So yeah, lol, we need another bone to chew on.
If she also kicked his dog, we could make this into a country song.
 
The timing of this news means we will beat this subject to death, as we get through the doldrums of the off-season but we just have to see how it plays out.
Today in this thread we've covered the P Diddy trial, gold digging women, a disertation on why victims of abuse remain, STD's, 80's AID's, and the if she pulled a Mary Kate Cornett. So yeah, lol, we need another bone to chew on.
If she also kicked his dog, we could make this into a country song.
Kill the dog and it becomes a 4 part movie with a spin off.
 
In all seriousness, this kind of situation is never good. We'll see what comes out from it.

But for FF purposes, I have him in 2 leagues.
One I have Ford as well.
The other he is a devy I was hoping to activate as a 3rd RB.

I am a fan of QJ's on field skills more then Henderson but for some reason in a 3rd rookie draft I took Henderson over him. Diversification maybe?
 
In all seriousness, this kind of situation is never good. We'll see what comes out from it.

But for FF purposes, I have him in 2 leagues.
One I have Ford as well.
The other he is a devy I was hoping to activate as a 3rd RB.

I am a fan of QJ's on field skills more then Henderson but for some reason in a 3rd rookie draft I took Henderson over him. Diversification maybe?
You chose wisely in that 3rd rookie draft and not because of this incident.
 
So honest question, I know his NFL rights were drafted but since he's not under contract yet can NFL actually punish him?
My assumption is that while the league can't "punish" him if he isn't under contract for all intents and purposes they can because in order to start playing in the NFL he will have to adhere to their punishment.

I mean, if he never signs a contract and doesn't want to play in the NFL there is no punishment that the NFL can give him.
 
So honest question, I know his NFL rights were drafted but since he's not under contract yet can NFL actually punish him?
My assumption is that while the league can't "punish" him if he isn't under contract for all intents and purposes they can because in order to start playing in the NFL he will have to adhere to their punishment.

I mean, if he never signs a contract and doesn't want to play in the NFL there is no punishment that the NFL can give him.
Yep, they can implement the punishment to start the first game he's back.
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
Sampson is a baller. Super young, huge production is a nice combo. Still think CLE will need a bruiser type, so Quinshon will not be entirely phased out (once whatever suspension is handed out) .
 
Personally, I think there is a very good chance that if Judkins off field issues lead to him not signing soon, or possibly being on the exempt list, that he falls behind Sampson, and maybe never gets the job from Sampson.
That I could believe.
Sampson is a baller. Super young, huge production is a nice combo. Still think CLE will need a bruiser type, so Quinshon will not be entirely phased out (once whatever suspension is handed out) .
People seem to think Ford is dog :poop: and he isn't.
 

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