RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (1 Viewer)

[Ramblin Wreck]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

 

[JohnnyU]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

Even though I think LeQuint Allen starts off slow, he has a good combination of speed, pass catching, and pass pro. He's versatile with adequate size. He could easily pass Bigsby, but is a seventh rounder. I don't look for anything from Allen his rookie year, but who knows?

 

[JohnnyU]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

I disagree. I think Bigsby will hold down #2 in 2025 and could get a lot of TDs at the goal line. However, I do think he's easily replaced, just as I think Etienne is. Like I said earlier, I think Tuten is more of a threat to Etienne's role than Bigsby. I think long term LeQuint Allen is more of a threat to Bigsby, but he's a seventh rounder. Of course things change quickly for RBs and we could be talking about a completely different player this time next year if we're talking about a Bigsby replacement eventually.

 

[efactor]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He won't help you in the receiving game and seems to not be much of a dynamic runner. He's easily replaceable. If I'm wrong I'll own it, but I don't think I am. One thing I'll give him however, is that I can see Tuten taking more away from Etienne than Bigsby, who will have more of a power role. I can see him doing well at the goal line for several TDs.

Well, 4.6 YPC is not "easily replaceable" IMO. Dynamic or not, that's a really good number. ETN was almost a yard less per carry running behind the same O-line. ETN is (or at least was going into last year) considered a "dynamic" runner. The few times I actually saw the Jags play, I thought Bigsby looked pretty damn good.

Anyway, I could be off but he's pretty cheap and I'll probably grab a couple copies in redraft. Offense should be much better overall and he looks to be in line for the goal-line back role.

 

[efactor]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

I disagree. I think Bigsby will hold down #2 in 2025 and could get a lot of TDs at the goal line. However, I do think he's easily replaced, just as I think Etienne is. Like I said earlier, I think Tuten is more of a threat to Etienne's role than Bigsby. I think long term LeQuint Allen is more of a threat to Bigsby.

Sounds like you have "rookie fever" my friend

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

I disagree. I think Bigsby will hold down #2 in 2025 and could get a lot of TDs at the goal line. However, I do think he's easily replaced, just as I think Etienne is. Like I said earlier, I think Tuten is more of a threat to Etienne's role than Bigsby. I think long term LeQuint Allen is more of a threat to Bigsby. Of course things change quickly for RBs and we could be talking about a completely different player this time next year.

He might be #2. Heck, the range of outcomes could be #1. But it's still true that he has to beat out a 26 year former first round pick with two 1400 yard seasons and a rookie that their GM (and presumably coach) loves.

 

[JohnnyU]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

I disagree. I think Bigsby will hold down #2 in 2025 and could get a lot of TDs at the goal line. However, I do think he's easily replaced, just as I think Etienne is. Like I said earlier, I think Tuten is more of a threat to Etienne's role than Bigsby. I think long term LeQuint Allen is more of a threat to Bigsby.

Sounds like you have "rookie fever" my friend

No I do not. I think I clearly stated Allen wouldn't do anything in 2025 and was a seventh rounder and that this time next year we could be talking about a different player. Also, in the Taj Brooks post I clearly said that fantasy players are higher on rookies than the NFL is and that Brooks was the 193rd pick in the 6th round. So no, I don't have as high expectation for players like Brooks or Allen as you seem to think I do. As far as Tuten, I like his ceiling, but he could have a low floor. I do think they will want to utilize his speed in 2025. Fumbles could be an issue, thus the low floor.

 

[Ilov80s]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He won't help you in the receiving game and seems to not be much of a dynamic runner. He's easily replaceable. If I'm wrong I'll own it, but I don't think I am. One thing I'll give him however, is that I can see Tuten taking more away from Etienne than Bigsby, who will have more of a power role. I can see him doing well at the goal line for several TDs.

Well, 4.6 YPC is not "easily replaceable" IMO. Dynamic or not, that's a really good number. ETN was almost a yard less per carry running behind the same O-line. ETN is (or at least was going into last year) considered a "dynamic" runner. The few times I actually saw the Jags play, I thought Bigsby looked pretty damn good.

Anyway, I could be off but he's pretty cheap and I'll probably grab a couple copies in redraft. Offense should be much better overall and he looks to be in line for the goal-line back role.

The big question in the backfield is: was ETN cooked or did his training camp shoulder injury and week 6 hamstring injury account for his massive drop in play?

 

[efactor]

Too high for me in redraft, he's right there with Hampton, Harvey & Henderson in that RB2/3 range. There's no knowing for sure, but I have the others having landed in better situations. Bhayshul Tuten's fit in Jacksonville is interesting. Late rounder Tahj Brooks will likely be buried on Cincy's depth chart but if he's pushed to the practice squad, that equates to being on every team's roster.

I would press the brakes on Tuten. You have 2 established RBs ahead of him and Tuten already reportedly had fumbling issues in mini camp. Fumbling was a massive problem for him in college. I don’t think he’s ready for the league yet.

The ony thing Bigsby has established is that he is a JAG. They will find a way to get Tuten's speed on the field.

You keep saying this but makes no sense. He played really well last year. Seem to be holding his rookie year against him. Some RBs take a year to acclimate.

He has to pass a 26 year old that has two 1400+ total yard seasons on his resume and an explosive rookie that the new GM told Jacksonville in the interview they needed to draft and then drafted him. Bigsby clearly seems like he's #3 at least to start. His upside seems to be Brian Robinson since he won't play passing downs at all so he needs 10-12 TDs on the goalline.

I disagree. I think Bigsby will hold down #2 in 2025 and could get a lot of TDs at the goal line. However, I do think he's easily replaced, just as I think Etienne is. Like I said earlier, I think Tuten is more of a threat to Etienne's role than Bigsby. I think long term LeQuint Allen is more of a threat to Bigsby. Of course things change quickly for RBs and we could be talking about a completely different player this time next year.

He might be #2. Heck, the range of outcomes could be #1. But it's still true that he has to beat out a 26 year former first round pick with two 1400 yard seasons and a rookie that their GM (and presumably coach) loves.

I agree there is a large range of outcomes, but ETN looked pretty bad last year and while they may love Tutan, loving a prospect on draft day is different from loving him when the pads go on.

As the Zen master said, "We'll see"

 

[Ilov80s]

Brooks to the PS? Really? I thought he would be RB2 in Cincy.

I think fantasy players prop up rookies more than the NFL does. Brooks was the 193rd pick in the draft (6th round), so there is that.

Totally agree. 6th round pick competing against Zach Moss and Samajae Perine. While those guys are not sexy for fantasy, they are seasoned reliable players that NFL coaches often like.

 

[brewer]

Why are we talking about the Jacksonville and Cincinnati backfields in a thread about a guy who plays for the browns and was just arrested?

 

[JohnnyU]

Why are we talking about the Jacksonville and Cincinnati backfields in a thread about a guy who plays for the browns and was just arrested?

While I agree in principle, there really isn't much else to say about Judkins until we know more. Just regurgitating the same stuff. But yes, this is a a Judkins thread, not an ETN / Bigsby / Tuten thread.

 

[socrates]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

 

[socrates]

Why are we talking about the Jacksonville and Cincinnati backfields in a thread about a guy who plays for the browns and was just arrested?

This was orchestrated by Judkins' PR team, no doubt!

 

[Bri]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

Ford

I think there's a desire for something new someone else since Judkins is the topic but Ford's for sure the better more reliable back

 

[efactor]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

I would bet on Ford. Very underrated player IMO.

That said, I'm not a big college football watcher, so don't really have an opinion on Sampson. The fact that he fell to the 6th round isn't a great sign. Rare do those guys take over a backfield.

 

[socrates]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

Ford

I think there's a desire for something new someone else since Judkins is the topic but Ford's for sure the better more reliable back

I think you are probably right from a production basis. An early-season suspension especially favors Ford. Ford likely gets the most significant increase to his expected usage, but I am not sure it moves the needle much, if any, on his potential future value.

Through a dynasty lens, Sampson seemingly has the most to gain by a Judkins suspension, and any increase in reps is a win for him.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

I would bet on Ford. Very underrated player IMO.

That said, I'm not a big college football watcher, so don't really have an opinion on Sampson. The fact that he fell to the 6th round isn't a great sign. Rare do those guys take over a backfield.

Sampson was prioritized in the fourth after they already took judkins. He wasn’t a 6th rounder.

 

[efactor]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

I would bet on Ford. Very underrated player IMO.

That said, I'm not a big college football watcher, so don't really have an opinion on Sampson. The fact that he fell to the 6th round isn't a great sign. Rare do those guys take over a backfield.

Sampson was prioritized in the fourth after they already took judkins. He wasn’t a 6th rounder.

My bad. Thanks for the correction. I was thinking Neal for some unknown reason.

 

[steelcityman]

Brooks to the PS? Really? I thought he would be RB2 in Cincy.

I think fantasy players prop up rookies more than the NFL does. Brooks was the 193rd pick in the draft (6th round), so there is that.

Yeah, but who is ahead of him, Moss? Thats not much to overcome on a depth chart.

 

[menobrown]

Judkins court appearance

During the bond hearing on Sunday, Judkin's attorney, David Weinstein, said the incident happened on July 7 after leaving an airport, but was not reported until Saturday.

According to the arrest affidavit, the victim appeared to have injuries. The incident report allegedly has photos of bruising on the woman.

The woman said she and Judkins are in a relationship and lived together in May of 2024, but had no relationship between December 2024 to June 2025. She added they were visiting Broward County as "friends," according to Weinstein.


After the airport incident, the two stayed in Fort Lauderdale for five days, Weinstein said.

Weinstein claims that the woman was "encouraged to take advantage of my client, and that's why she made the after-the-fact report, quite frankly."

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Judkins court appearance

During the bond hearing on Sunday, Judkin's attorney, David Weinstein, said the incident happened on July 7 after leaving an airport, but was not reported until Saturday.

According to the arrest affidavit, the victim appeared to have injuries. The incident report allegedly has photos of bruising on the woman.

The woman said she and Judkins are in a relationship and lived together in May of 2024, but had no relationship between December 2024 to June 2025. She added they were visiting Broward County as "friends," according to Weinstein.


After the airport incident, the two stayed in Fort Lauderdale for five days, Weinstein said.

Weinstein claims that the woman was "encouraged to take advantage of my client, and that's why she made the after-the-fact report, quite frankly."

Yep - the bruising is all it takes for an arrest.

Thing is, bruising isn’t really proof of anything. Lot of ways to get bruised.

Not saying it is or isn’t, but this could be a shake-down. Judkins showed bad judgement inviting his ex on a vacation. Now he’s in a messy situation.

Hard to say what will come of it - maybe she’ll take a payout. If she presses on with charges we’ll have a better idea of the legitimacy, imo.

Ugly situation.

 

[zeeshan2]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

 

[Jppaul]

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

won't the suspension happen in 2026? Seems like these situations take many months to resolve?

 

[efactor]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

Yeah, not good

Another case of a couple breaking up and then getting back together "as friends" . There's a reason you broke up. Trust that instinct and find someone else.

 

[Chaka]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

Closed fist punch to the chin and multiple punches to the left arm and thigh. Apparently he was driving while it happened.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Not good if that is the case, may want to trade that Lambo back in for some thing more reasonable.

 

[Bri]

I mistakenly ventured here expecting discussion about Quinshon Judkins.

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy provides that "a first violation will subject the violator to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with possible upward or downward adjustments based on any aggravating or mitigating factors."

I anticipate Judkins will receive a 4-6-week suspension, based on prior cases, but it is obviously still very early.

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

Ford

I think there's a desire for something new someone else since Judkins is the topic but Ford's for sure the better more reliable back

I think you are probably right from a production basis. An early-season suspension especially favors Ford. Ford likely gets the most significant increase to his expected usage, but I am not sure it moves the needle much, if any, on his potential future value.

Through a dynasty lens, Sampson seemingly has the most to gain by a Judkins suspension, and any increase in reps is a win for him.

Ya gotta be careful with third backs in dynasty.
They usually look like shiny pennies as rookies but after that you realize they're the third back in the depth chart.
I try to not dip my toe in that water too often

 

[menobrown]

Thing is, bruising isn’t really proof of anything. Lot of ways to get bruised.

Not saying it is or isn’t, but this could be a shake-down.

His attorney pretty much brought up both of these things. Saying this is an attempt to profit and that if there are bruises no one knows when they appeared.

He also mentioned she was involved in some kind of "spectacle" near the end of the trip after which she was told to take advantage of him. That's all per his attorney of course so it's going to paint him in a better picture.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

His attorney pretty much brought up both of these things. Saying this is an attempt to profit and that if there are bruises no one knows when they appeared.

He also mentioned she was involved in some kind of "spectacle" near the end of the trip after which she was told to take advantage of him. That's all per his attorney of course so it's going to paint him in a better picture.

He said she said at this point.

Anything else is speculation. I wonder if paying her off looks guilty in the league‘a eyes. Like would he still get suspended if he wrote her a check to go away?

Again, it seems like if she presses charges we’ll have a much better idea of what‘a really going on here.

 

[menobrown]

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

won't the suspension happen in 2026? Seems like these situations take many months to resolve?

My initial thinking as well but after some research and details I no longer think that to be the case.

There is recent precedent suggesting if the NFL investigation thinks her story has merit he's going to put away until the case is resolved or settled AND THEN serve a possible suspension.

The only thing worse for for FF player is having someone they are invested in suspended is having the player put on the commissioner exempt list. I fear that's where we are headed. That has potential to keep him out the entire season.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Who do we expect to be the primary beneficiary of a potential Judkins suspension: Dylan Sampson? Jerome Ford?

won't the suspension happen in 2026? Seems like these situations take many months to resolve?

My initial thinking as well but after some research and details I no longer think that to be the case.

There is recent precedent suggesting if the NFL investigation thinks her story has merit he's going to put away until the case is resolved or settled AND THEN serve a possible suspension.

The only thing worse for for FF player is having someone they are invested in suspended is having the player put on the commissioner exempt list. I fear that's where we are headed. That has potential to keep him out the entire season.

Agreed. And DV is the one issue where the league has consistently *not* waited for the legal process before taking action.

 

[menobrown]

Anything else is speculation. I wonder if paying her off looks guilty in the league‘a eyes. Like would he still get suspended if he wrote her a check to go away?

Yes, we have very recent precedent and don't have to go very far to find it.

Just stay in Cleveland with another guy they drafted out of Ohio St last year.

On August 13th of last year Mike Hall was arrested for DV against his fiancee. She dropped the charges, recanted her story. Did not matter. NFL still put him on ice with the dreaded commissioner exempt list where he might have remained all year but he ended up entering a no contest plea for disorderly conduct and served a 5 game suspension AFTER missing two games on the exempt list.

This is the fear I have with Judkins now. Put away on the excempt list until the case is settled or dismissed and who knows when that might be.

 

[Birdie048]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.

 

[brewer]

I'd say the punch to the face was the problem.

 

[wgoldsph]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.

I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's sad to see young men with a chance of a lifetime to play professional sports and make game changing money and then throw it all away because they get wrapped around some young love interest that they likely were not that wild about in a period of their lifetime where being monogamous or a great b/f/fiance/husband is just simply not practical

-It's hard to understand why they allow it to get to that point. It's why they should stay off social media and if they do embrace it like the kid from Georgia-Carson Beck that transferred to the Univ of Miami, he had a pretty intense relationship going with one of the Cavinder twins on the Miami basketball team and they broke up and she shamed him a little on social media and he took his lumps and moved on, he didn't try to seek revenge or get the last laugh in, he's focused on his Senior Year at Miami to try and climb the draft board.

Judkins will probably be off my list, won't be hard to find another RB that can replace his stats in your FF redraft leagues this year

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Well until the case plays out and if/when a suspension comes, we are all kind of in limbo here. For those of us that have dynasty drafts coming soon, does this affect your ranking of him long term? Will this be a one time thing, or is this a precursor of things to come. I have the #4 pick in my draft and am fully expecting the top 3 to be Jeanty, Hampton then Henderson. I was all set on getting Judkins as my top 3 backs are Saquon, CMC and Hall. I may still take him, but might now pivot to McMillan or Hunter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.

I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.

I don't even try to figure out which one is to blame, it takes two to tango and once it reaches domestic violence and the cops are called, you should know the good life you had planned is about to end and neither one of them is going to profit or come out of this better than before.

The man should never put his hands on a woman, just walk away or leave the house and don't take phone calls for a couple days until the temperature comes down
I don't care who pays the rent or bills at this home where the violence took place, get another place or beg to stay at one of the more wealthy players on the team and explain the situation
I'm sure other payers would have been happy to give him a room to crash in for a few days so thing didn't get to that level

Then you do what Tiger Woods did and have representatives meet her with all her belongings and let her know the locks have been changed, do it the Godfather way.

 

[Birdie048]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.

I have absolutely no idea how you got it was her fault considering the report says he punched her in the face, but you do you.

Sorry My Bad. I do not wish to say it was her fault .. but only that she instigated the situation ...

Reading the report she had apparently done something she was not willing to share with the police report that agitated him.
He said he was done with her after she did whatever she did and everybody was texting him about it.
The police report is missing any real disclosure from her on what happened.

 

[menobrown]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

That is all too cryptic to be a real concern. If that is the best evidence against him, he won't see any issues.

Sound like the issue was her fault and he reacted but she was really the problem.

Dang Birdie, I spent 3 first round picks on him dynasty and hope like heck he's innocent but not sure how you could arrive at that being cryptic or her fault?

Not saying she's telling the trust but I will say I thought she was actually very detailed and gave enough details for the police to conduct a proper investigation if they so choose. Most notably is they can pull surveillance video from baggage claim area, in front of the airport, and possibly the Burger King parking lot to at least gauge body language and their interactions with one another and possibly to detect if/when the video shows any signs of bruising/injury.

ETA-I see your post above this one about why you think she is being cryptic and understand where you are coming from. Makes more sense.

 

[Birdie048]

Not saying she's telling the trust but I will say I thought she was actually very detailed and gave enough details for the police to conduct a proper investigation if they so choose. Most notably is they can pull surveillance video from baggage claim area, in front of the airport, and possibly the Burger King parking lot to at least gauge body language and their interactions with one another and possibly to detect if/when the video shows any signs of bruising/injury.

ETA-I see your post above this one about why you think she is being cryptic and understand where you are coming from. Makes more sense.

I do think he will get off with a slap on the wrist. I just read the report as missing substance and there are serious gaps in her disclosure of events.

I read legal / regulatory documents all the time ... and many times, the details that are missing is where things fail

 

[JohnnyU]

Yea the arrest report doesn’t seem to make things better:

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1944784073467007262?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg

Yeah, not good

Another case of a couple breaking up and then getting back together "as friends" . There's a reason you broke up. Trust that instinct and find someone else.

Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor disagree with you.

 

[JohnnyU]

I heard she wanted a new watch and he said there’s a clock on the stove. Then all hell broke loose.

 

[RC94]

I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.

 

[pinkstapler]

I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.

This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.

This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.

I can believe that

 

[pinkstapler]

I don't get why she would hang out with him for 5 days before going to the police. That part damages her credibility IMO.

This is not my opinion; more my nature of attempting to answer questions like these based on previous experiences. Again, not saying this is the case, or even that I think this is the case for Judkins situation:

Victims of DV in the past in similar situations as these have made the case/defense that they have little to no control in a relationship; and that especially when traveling to places unknown, can feel limited in means to "escape" their abuser. They "don't have money or means" to flee. If they do have a support system, they are not in driving distance and can't come get them. They will stay with the abuser until a time they are back in a known environment where they have access to money/vehicles/safe places they know they can go to not just get away, but be protected from their abuser. To add, women who are in an abusive relationship with a man tend not to be trusting of, or looking to, other strange men for help. When the option is the devil you know vs the devil you don't, they will get back in the car with the one she knows, much like this girl did.

I acknowledge people may not agree with the above, not only in this case, but in any case. Just putting out the information I've heard/experienced first hand and learned about with regards to power dynamics in relationships, including mentally/physically abusive ones. They are complex situations where rarely does logic apply, and often have a very strong mental component which has been built up over time, mostly revolving around feelings of powerlessness.

I can believe that

A lot of people struggle to, and I somewhat get it. We like to implant ourselves in a lot of these scenarios and imagine what we would do. But it's hard to do that cross genders, let alone if you've never really been in an abusive relationship. Also hard in general to not MMQB other people in situations with undesirable outcomes and imagine ourselves taking a "more ideal" path. Majority of people have a natural tendency to view themselves in a positive light compared to their peers, especially strangers. Funny enough, you see advertisements taking advantage of this quite often now; an AD showing someone playing a game, solving a puzzle, singing, cooking, etc. and purposefully performing very poorly so we get frustrated and think "OMG I could do so much better". Gets lot's of clicks and comments from the desire to feed ones ego.

Regardless; none of this might apply to her. Just saying, if it did happen as she says, her decision making during and after the physical assault isn't wildly off base for how some victims have reacted in the past to similar situations.

 

[(HULK)]

Well until the case plays out and if/when a suspension comes, we are all kind of in limbo here. For those of us that have dynasty drafts coming soon, does this affect your ranking of him long term? Will this be a one time thing, or is this a precursor of things to come. I have the #4 pick in my draft and am fully expecting the top 3 to be Jeanty, Hampton then Henderson. I was all set on getting Judkins as my top 3 backs are Saquon, CMC and Hall. I may still take him, but might now pivot to McMillan or Hunter.

Honestly, until this past weekend he was considered a "good character" guy. So, I dunno.

 

[(HULK)]

I hate that my first thought reading that police report was that since it allegedly happened in his vehicle that there will be no video and it will ultimately be a he said / she said thing.

If it happened, I hope she's okay.
If it never happened, I hope her story crumbles.
I don't know that we'll ever know what really happened.