RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (3 Viewers)

[FarFromHome]

Hopefully the Browns and his agent have been in discussion of what some possible options would be given various legal outcomes.

I'm sure the Browns prepared for this....

 

[Proteus]

Hopefully the Browns and his agent have been in discussion of what some possible options would be given various legal outcomes.

I'm sure the Browns prepared for this....

Yes. Such an intelligently run organization must have a whole tree of contingencies.

Kind of like their QB room.

 

[Joe Bryant]

A thought after kicking it around with our folks.

The NFL is especially sensitive to Domestic Violence now. Having said that, if the reason for the charges being dropped is because there was significant doubt as to the validity of her claims or the provability of the case then they are much less likely to act. We don’t know what the NFL knows from their investigation but at this point I wouldn’t expect them to do anything and if they do it’s 0-2 games.

This of course, is just speculation on our part. But it makes sense to me.

 

[TripItUp]

Agreed. And legal Twitter appears to be becoming more positive.

Judkins has a high powered defense attorney...this is a huge opening for dynasty owners that want to get Judkins on the cheap. His Player Profiler comp is Nick Chubb.

victory lap bump

 

[Dez]

I was in a slow draft round 10 when this news broke and I was 2 picks away. The guy at the turn took 2 RBs but neither Judkins.

I took a chance and grabbed him in the 10th round problem is there are about 15 to 20 teams that got him between rounds 11 and 25 but that isn't that much to overcome if he is good.

I had only 2 RB's at the time and figured roll the dice. All the teams before the news broke had taken him between picks 51 and 68 so there is that.

 

[Drunken Benson]

I was in a slow draft round 10 when this news broke and I was 2 picks away. The guy at the turn took 2 RBs but neither Judkins.

I took a chance and grabbed him in the 10th round problem is there are about 15 to 20 teams that got him between rounds 11 and 25 but that isn't that much to overcome if he is good.

I had only 2 RB's at the time and figured roll the dice. All the teams before the news broke had taken him between picks 51 and 68 so there is that.

Yeah just passed on him in round 7, but probably would have taken him in round 10 as well. He still has the issues of being: 1) Unsigned in mid-August 2)Missed most of camp 3) Suspension possible and 4) a Brown.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Who would go 3? Assuming Jeanty and Hampton 1 and 2,

 

[rockaction]

A thought after kicking it around with our folks.

The NFL is especially sensitive to Domestic Violence now. Having said that, if the reason for the charges being dropped is because there was significant doubt as to the validity of her claims or the provability of the case then they are much less likely to act. We don’t know what the NFL knows from their investigation but at this point I wouldn’t expect them to do anything and if they do it’s 0-2 games.

This of course, is just speculation on our part. But it makes sense to me.

Joe, I know you have quality lawyers and guys, but . . . Zeke! He got six games after the NFL’s own arbitrator said his accuser wasn’t credible. It was astonishing. Of course I think the probability is that you’re right, but I can’t shake how they weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

 

[Joe Bryant]

A thought after kicking it around with our folks.

The NFL is especially sensitive to Domestic Violence now. Having said that, if the reason for the charges being dropped is because there was significant doubt as to the validity of her claims or the provability of the case then they are much less likely to act. We don’t know what the NFL knows from their investigation but at this point I wouldn’t expect them to do anything and if they do it’s 0-2 games.

This of course, is just speculation on our part. But it makes sense to me.

Joe, I know you have quality lawyers and guys, but . . . Zeke! He got six games after the NFL’s own arbitrator said his accuser wasn’t credible. It was astonishing. Of course I think the probability is that you’re right, but I can’t shake how they were weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

For sure. We’re just guessing right now.

 

[rockaction]

A thought after kicking it around with our folks.

The NFL is especially sensitive to Domestic Violence now. Having said that, if the reason for the charges being dropped is because there was significant doubt as to the validity of her claims or the provability of the case then they are much less likely to act. We don’t know what the NFL knows from their investigation but at this point I wouldn’t expect them to do anything and if they do it’s 0-2 games.

This of course, is just speculation on our part. But it makes sense to me.

Joe, I know you have quality lawyers and guys, but . . . Zeke! He got six games after the NFL’s own arbitrator said his accuser wasn’t credible. It was astonishing. Of course I think the probability is that you’re right, but I can’t shake how they were weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

For sure. We’re just guessing right now.

You guys are pretty darn good. I still can’t shake how they did that to Elliott (seemed farcical) and even Antonio Brown (the exempt list or whatever they call it) or that they weren’t going to really do a ton to Rice and he’s out of the league. I just think you can’t trust these guys and it isn’t about consistent justice or morality. It’s all reactive and public relations, which can swing wildly.

 

[J Giles Band]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Who would go 3? Assuming Jeanty and Hampton 1 and 2,

Henderson... or maybe Hunter?

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Who would go 3? Assuming Jeanty and Hampton 1 and 2,

I am assuming Treveyon Henderson goes #3.

 

[MAC_32]

Whether he's the victim or not, may this be the very last time anything like this shows up in his life.

What are the chances they can/will get a deal done quickly and get him some meaningful preseason reps?

Even if he were signed tomorrow I'd be surprised, and disappointed, if he got preseason reps. The final game is in 8 days and this guy hasn't done anything football in 7 months (no the t shirt and shorts stuff doesn't count). This isn't some vet returning, this is a rook, and on a team not going anywhere this year.

Get him signed and start getting him ready for the opener, but slow roll him from the outset. If he acclimates quickly and proves he can lead the back field by sometime in October, let him go, but don't force the issue, let his play dictate the timeline.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Who would go 3? Assuming Jeanty and Hampton 1 and 2,

I am assuming Treveyon Henderson goes #3.

If Hunter goes 3rd are you saying you’re going to bypass Henderson?

 

[Truebluey]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Draft Tet. He's a good guy.

 

[dipandglide]

The internet mobs end up disappointed once again

 

[Proteus]

Whether he's the victim or not, may this be the very last time anything like this shows up in his life.

What are the chances they can/will get a deal done quickly and get him some meaningful preseason reps?

Even if he were signed tomorrow I'd be surprised, and disappointed, if he got preseason reps. The final game is in 8 days and this guy hasn't done anything football in 7 months (no the t shirt and shorts stuff doesn't count). This isn't some vet returning, this is a rook, and on a team not going anywhere this year.

Get him signed and start getting him ready for the opener, but slow roll him from the outset. If he acclimates quickly and proves he can lead the back field by sometime in October, let him go, but don't force the issue, let his play dictate the timeline.

This makes an awful lot of sense.

I was just hoping that for once the Browns' inept decision making would pay a dividend in my RB2 slot in my dynasty lineup

 

[BigTex]

Just finished a 24yr per dynasty draft and I was able to grab him in the fourth.

Tex

 

[Soulfly3]

Dare I say, giddy up?

 

[TampaMike19]

Where would his ADP creep up in redraft? I’m guessing the first 2-4 weeks he will be a committee guy but then is 65% opportunity reasonable? How is he as a pass catcher?

 

[nightmare]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

 

[rockaction]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelained cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

 

[nightmare]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelain cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

MAYBE you were wrong. Judkins has the high priced lawyer to clear himself.
We will not know what the truth is/was. We only get to judge this with second/third hand info.

 

[rockaction]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelain cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

MAYBE you were wrong. Judkins has the high priced lawyer to clear himself.
We will not know what the truth is/was. We only get to judge this with second/third hand info.

Yep. All speculation. I was wrong though because my original point was that he was screwed and not that he did it. But thanks for the graciousness and leaving me a get out of jail free card there. I appreciate it.

 

[(HULK)]

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Andy Slater

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Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Video from the same timeframe where she doesn't have the injuries is why you should never rush to judge these things. He's looking pretty innocent now IMO.

 

[(HULK)]

Honestly, if there is evidence suggesting she made this up... then she better get hit with some charges




Brian Banks, a high school football star, was falsely accused of rape and kidnapping, leading to his wrongful conviction and imprisonment. He maintained his innocence throughout, and his conviction was eventually overturned after his accuser confessed to fabricating the story.

Here's a more detailed look at the case:

• The Accusation:
  In 2002, while a high school junior with a scholarship offer to USC, Banks was accused of rape and kidnapping by a classmate, Wanetta Gibson.
  
  
• The Plea Deal:
  Facing a lengthy prison sentence, Banks accepted a plea deal, which resulted in him serving five years in prison and five years on parole.

I hate these stories but it's pretty rare for the false accuser to face any consequences.

I have mixed feelings on it because I don't want to create another reason for actual victims to not come forward, but at the same time, people who are willing to lie to ruin another person's life for their own benefit are scum.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelain cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

MAYBE you were wrong. Judkins has the high priced lawyer to clear himself.
We will not know what the truth is/was. We only get to judge this with second/third hand info.

Are people purposely skipping the part where the prosecutors saw video evidence where she DID NOT have physical marks on her during the time frame she claims to have been attacked. That means he didn't

 

[KellysHeroes]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelain cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

MAYBE you were wrong. Judkins has the high priced lawyer to clear himself.
We will not know what the truth is/was. We only get to judge this with second/third hand info.

Yep. All speculation. I was wrong though because my original point was that he was screwed and not that he did it. But thanks for the graciousness and leaving me a get out of jail free card there. I appreciate it.

You are referring to when police show up to a home during a domestic disturbance; parties are almost always separated these days in all states. Now this was a delayed report and they were not living together when she reported so that statement is not 100% correct. The police could of done some investigation 1st before slapped handcuffs on him. Judkins could have a nice little settlement against them.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Andy Slater@AndySlater
Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.

Criminal threshold is high, the NFL threshold is much lower, so I was waiting to see how long of a suspension but.... the next part is the most important aspect and changes the story.

The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Can't overlook video showing NO INJURIES.
I don't expect any suspension.

 

[rockaction]

Judas Priest. It's a Misdemeanor charge. Lets go full blown, all out, over reaction.

Uh, he’s not signed yet for a reason and fantasy scribes are saying year. Have you read the police report? Remember when the arbitrator said the witness against Zeke was “not credible” and he still caught six games?

This guy went back after he’d hit her and continued to beat her, leaving visible and presumably photographed bruises and wounds. Yeah, he is suspended a long time if they sign him.

NFL loves girls’ flag football and guys that beat the **** out of their girlfriend. No, wait. That’s not how that all goes, is it?

So did the police/prosecutor get this wrong?

The Browns didn't sign him to stay clear of any bad public relations noise.

Any time the police answer ANY radio call they are getting lied to.

R Rice is guilty of multiple felonies and is not doing any jail time. His "community service" could be
turned into a PR campaign by the NFL.

In Florida domestic disputes someone HAS to leave in handcuffs. The internet gets to do a lot of judging
before the police/prosecutor can make some kind of judgement as to how things might have happened.

You were right. I can’t say anything else and will come back here and let you point it out. I will admit I was wrong. I only hope you and others do this when you are wrong. I was incorrect and she seems to have done what has now become something we’re seeing way too much of.

And lest you think I was ever white knighting; I should tell you that I was never down with #believeher because I’ve seen up close how people can be affected by accusations and gossip (not of violence or sexual battery but casual claims like, “he’s scary and a stalker,” and other thoughtless and damaging garbage) from vicious and frigidly purgatorial porcelain cocklehearts who do this for various reasons or just for lulz. So I’m no dupe, but I was wrong on this one.

MAYBE you were wrong. Judkins has the high priced lawyer to clear himself.
We will not know what the truth is/was. We only get to judge this with second/third hand info.

Yep. All speculation. I was wrong though because my original point was that he was screwed and not that he did it. But thanks for the graciousness and leaving me a get out of jail free card there. I appreciate it.

You are referring to when police show up to a home during a domestic disturbance; parties are almost always separated these days in all states. Now this was a delayed report and they were not living together when she reported so that statement is not 100% correct. The police could of done some investigation 1st before slapped handcuffs on him. Judkins could have a nice little settlement against them.

The state has discretion but practice is that probable cause will trigger an arrest. If they acted in good faith, they’re clear. Judkins is very unlikely to win a suit even if he brings it (I doubt it).

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Who would go 3? Assuming Jeanty and Hampton 1 and 2,

I am assuming Treveyon Henderson goes #3.

If Hunter goes 3rd are you saying you’re going to bypass Henderson?

No, I should have prefaced by saying if one of the 3 RB (Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson) fall, my post was moot as I would draft the RB.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Andy Slater@AndySlater
Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.

Criminal threshold is high, the NFL threshold is much lower, so I was waiting to see how long of a suspension but.... the next part is the most important aspect and changes the story.

The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Can't overlook video showing NO INJURIES.
I don't expect any suspension.

Just pointing out that there is a difference between saying “the video didn’t show the victim with injuries” and “the video showed the victim didn’t have injuries.”

 

[menobrown]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

 

[rockaction]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

 

[Ilov80s]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Judkins is very likely to be there at 6. Even before the suspension, 6 was about where you could expect him.

 

[Ilov80s]

Andy Slater@AndySlater
Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.

Criminal threshold is high, the NFL threshold is much lower, so I was waiting to see how long of a suspension but.... the next part is the most important aspect and changes the story.

The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Can't overlook video showing NO INJURIES.
I don't expect any suspension.

Just pointing out that there is a difference between saying “the video didn’t show the victim with injuries” and “the video showed the victim didn’t have injuries.”

Yes kind of like with instant replay how sometimes we get " the call on the field has been confirmed" and other times "there was video evidence to overturn the call, the call on the field stands." The results is the same but it does imply 2 different things.

 

[menobrown]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

I one thing I'd add on that is they have made a few changes to their personal conduct and suspension policy since then. It's been awhile since I read the changes, was a few years back, which is why I was comping him to Von Miller which was handled based on the new policies.

 

[Ilov80s]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

I don't know how the NFL views these things. Our social-political winds may have shifted since then and the commissioner might feel less pressure than in the past but I guess we will find out.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Judkins is very likely to be there at 6. Even before the suspension, 6 was about where you could expect him.

That complete and total Bs Zeke suspension cost me a championship

 

[Gally]

but I can’t shake how they weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

This was because a video surfaced showing the brutally of what he did. This case has video showing no I juries and nothing of what actually happened in the car. Big difference between the two cases.

 

[rockaction]

but I can’t shake how they weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

This was because a video surfaced showing the brutally of what he did. This case has video showing no I juries and nothing of what actually happened in the car. Big difference between the two cases.

They’re not analogous but demonstrative of how PR driven the league is. If they cared about actual justice, they’d be consistent and have a process that wasn’t so willy-nilly and all over the place. It doesn’t usually take ten different legal minds to figure out what on earth a punishment will be. Generally you have a pretty good idea going in if you’ve got a system and process that isn’t ad hoc and pretty arbitrary. I mean, having a legal guy on a fantasy staff (and several do) says a lot about the byzantine nature of league justice.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

If memory serves, with Zeke, Ray Rice and Hunt there was speculation that their version of the events had inconsistencies with the evidence the league turned up. If that happens with Judkins, he gets suspended. If not, he doesn’t.

That’s an oversimplification I guess but it is how I’m viewing this.

 

[rockaction]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

Yes. There are so many unknowables here. What

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

If memory serves, with Zeke, Ray Rice and Hunt there was speculation that their version of the events had inconsistencies with the evidence the league turned up. If that happens with Judkins, he gets suspended. If not, he doesn’t.

That’s an oversimplification I guess but it is how I’m viewing this.

I think Zeke and Rice came clean. Hunt got cut from KC because he lied to Andy Reid. Zeke was found not guilty, so inconsistencies shouldn’t matter.

 

[Jail]

Just two things I'd note on trying to predict any suspension he might get.

His case most resembles Von Millers to me. Both arrested for DV, posted bond and later had their cases dismissed. Von Miller still got a 4 game suspension.

If he does get suspended it's possible it's to begin the season but I'm not counting on it and believe it would most likely be later in the season. NFL will likely want to conduct and their own little investigation and again citing the Von Miller case he got arrested in November, they did not suspend him until a few weeks into the following season.

I’ve been saying it like a broken record but Zeke was totally cleared by the NFL’s arbitrator and he got six games.

I agree. I’ll be surprised if the suspension is not similar. My guess is 4-6 games.

It’s important to note that he admitted to pushing and hitting her back. The report says that her bruises could be explained by the account given by either side.

I’m not saying he didn’t have every right to do that, and the bias sucks. But the league only cares about optics. They want as many female eyes on the game, and that’s all they care about: ratings and money.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Judkins is very likely to be there at 6. Even before the suspension, 6 was about where you could expect him.

Really needed my dynasty rookie draft scheduled one week earlier. I was content with pulling the trigger at 1.12 if he made it.

Judkins at 1.5 was my plan before this happened. I definitely warmed up to the idea of T-Mac or Egbuka as safe selections, because what else was I going to do? I definitely haven't been sold by anything Johnson or Harvey have done to justify that spot. I'm not sold on top-12 WR ceiling as a median outcome for any of the wideouts.

The league settings reward WR greatness and workhorse RBs, not WR goodness. IF there's a decent possibility that this was a complete nothing, I really have to put him back in the 1.5 conversation, as much as I would've liked to steal him at 12.

 

[J Giles Band]

I have picks 4 and 6 in my deep keeper draft next week. I was basically accepting the fact I would be drafting McMillan at 4, but now I might just go with my original plan of Judkins. Lot of thinking to do here.

Judkins is very likely to be there at 6. Even before the suspension, 6 was about where you could expect him.

Really needed my dynasty rookie draft scheduled one week earlier. I was content with pulling the trigger at 1.12 if he made it.

Judkins at 1.5 was my plan before this happened. I definitely warmed up to the idea of T-Mac or Egbuka as safe selections, because what else was I going to do? I definitely haven't been sold by anything Johnson or Harvey have done to justify that spot. I'm not sold on top-12 WR ceiling as a median outcome for any of the wideouts.

The league settings reward WR greatness and workhorse RBs, not WR goodness. IF there's a decent possibility that this was a complete nothing, I really have to put him back in the 1.5 conversation, as much as I would've liked to steal him at 12.

Well said... this is pretty much exactly how I view my league on RB vs WR in the rookie draft as well.

 

[MAC_32]

but I can’t shake how they weren’t really going to drop the hammer on Ray Rice and then—poof!—he was totally persona non grata. Never played again.

This was because a video surfaced showing the brutally of what he did. This case has video showing no I juries and nothing of what actually happened in the car. Big difference between the two cases.

They’re not analogous but demonstrative of how PR driven the league is. If they cared about actual justice, they’d be consistent and have a process that wasn’t so willy-nilly and all over the place. It doesn’t usually take ten different legal minds to figure out what on earth a punishment will be. Generally you have a pretty good idea going in if you’ve got a system and process that isn’t ad hoc and pretty arbitrary. I mean, having a legal guy on a fantasy staff (and several do) says a lot about the byzantine nature of league justice.

Sue L. Robinson - not the hero NFL fans deserved, but the one it needed right now.

 

[(HULK)]

Andy Slater@AndySlater
Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.

Criminal threshold is high, the NFL threshold is much lower, so I was waiting to see how long of a suspension but.... the next part is the most important aspect and changes the story.

The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Can't overlook video showing NO INJURIES.
I don't expect any suspension.

Just pointing out that there is a difference between saying “the video didn’t show the victim with injuries” and “the video showed the victim didn’t have injuries.”

The State Attorney would always say the first and never the second. 100 times out of 100.

 

[Jail]

Andy Slater@AndySlater
Details: The decision was based on several factors including late reporting of the alleged incident to police, no surveillance video, and no independent witnesses.

Criminal threshold is high, the NFL threshold is much lower, so I was waiting to see how long of a suspension but.... the next part is the most important aspect and changes the story.

The State Attorney says there were videos seen during the same timeframe that didn't show the victim with injuries.

Can't overlook video showing NO INJURIES.
I don't expect any suspension.

Just pointing out that there is a difference between saying “the video didn’t show the victim with injuries” and “the video showed the victim didn’t have injuries.”

The State Attorney would always say the first and never the second. 100 times out of 100.

The thing that seems to be missed by most is that the ASA report acknowledges that the bruises to her face could be explained by either one’s story. I’m no attorney but that seems to mean that he admitted to hitting or pushing her in the face. According to him it was self defense, but that doesn’t change the optics. Judkins is 6’ 220 lbs.

Again, I am not saying he didn’t have a right to retaliate, but if the NFL thinks she has any credibility he’s going to get suspended. If she doesn’t have any credibility maybe he won’t. But the league’s threshold is very different from the criminal threshold. They can just say that if he really felt threatened he should have pulled over and called the authorities. I tend to agree with that position. In the heat of the moment things happen, but he should have done what he could to get out of the situation. It’s all about the optics and the court of public opinion for them.