Lansdowne
Footballguy
May want to at least wait to see what the offense looks like when Maye takes over (which may happen as soon as Week 5 against Miami). He at least has the ability to execute the deep pass.
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RB Rhamondre Stevenson, NE (4 Viewers)
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Do you really think Maye would have time to accurately deliver a deep pass? Through 3 games, the pressure rate on NE QBs has been about 50% of drop backs. Maye was sacked twice and had 8 attempts in garbage time. That's one of the reasons why they have held him out.
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Lansdowne
Footballguy
In the pocket no, but on the run yeah. Not every time of course. I’m not saying Maye is going to solve all their problems on offense this season (it’s beyond saving) but it can’t be any worse than it is currently.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.Doesn't need to be on him. The result isn't even a middling injury backup ff output.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
He wasn’t injured and He’s been great the 1st 2 weeks.
Again, cmon.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Note how they all had to wait until week 3 against the Jets brutal defense on a short week to come out the woodwork with their gotcha takes.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
It’s so tiring to see so many people reflexively negative after one game. ONE game. He’s had two good games and one bad one in 2024. Relax everyone. Sheesh. @Hot Sauce Guy has the right take here. Let’s see how the next few games go before remotely considering it’s time to panic. There’s a ton of season left to see how things shake out.
Probably because they were wrong weeks 1 & 2.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Weird that they weren’t that for 2 weeks though.
Almost like playing the Jets in NY on the road is a tough matchup or something.
Also Inexplicably giving RS 6 carries (I was off by 1 above) isn’t a recipe for success.
You think that’ll happen again?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t see them starting Maye. He’ll get killed out there.
Brissett is their designated piñata
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You presumed he’d only get 6 carries after having a massive workload the 1st two weeks?
Can you give me this week’s lotto numbers because wow that’s impressive.
Amen, saw some awesome after the fact analysis posts last night.Note how they all had to wait until week 3 against the Jets brutal defense on a short week to come out the woodwork with their gotcha takes.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
It’s so tiring to see so many people reflexively negative after one game. ONE game. He’s had two good games and one bad one in 2024. Relax everyone. Sheesh. @Hot Sauce Guy has the right take here. Let’s see how the next few games go before remotely considering it’s time to panic. There’s a ton of season left to see how things shake out.
Probably because they were wrong weeks 1 & 2.
He has been hard for me to figure him out though. I got him on a few teams, benched him in a few week one and it hurt. Wanted to bench him last night in just one of those league, boiled down to him vs Charbs, everything I saw forecast Rhamondre a tad higher so I went full sheep and listened. Short week on a guy who has carried that massive load should have lead to more concern. Ragrets.....I got a few.
It's actually a testament to his super underrated talent he was so productive the first two weeks. I really can't think of a worse relatively healthy OL in the 40+ years I've been watching NFL football.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I think Brissett is the plan, but they may not have much choice at the rate things are going. Brissett seems to take longer getting up each time he gets drilled by a defender. All the more reason to keep feeding RS the ball.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Worse than Chicago's dreadful line?Amen, saw some awesome after the fact analysis posts last night.Note how they all had to wait until week 3 against the Jets brutal defense on a short week to come out the woodwork with their gotcha takes.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
It’s so tiring to see so many people reflexively negative after one game. ONE game. He’s had two good games and one bad one in 2024. Relax everyone. Sheesh. @Hot Sauce Guy has the right take here. Let’s see how the next few games go before remotely considering it’s time to panic. There’s a ton of season left to see how things shake out.
Probably because they were wrong weeks 1 & 2.
He has been hard for me to figure him out though. I got him on a few teams, benched him in a few week one and it hurt. Wanted to bench him last night in just one of those league, boiled down to him vs Charbs, everything I saw forecast Rhamondre a tad higher so I went full sheep and listened. Short week on a guy who has carried that massive load should have lead to more concern. Ragrets.....I got a few.
It's actually a testament to his super underrated talent he was so productive the first two weeks. I really can't think of a worse relatively healthy OL in the 40+ years I've been watching NFL football.
The line is so god awful that I truly think instead of going to Maye when Brisset can't take any more that they should be in the market right now for a vet QB they can sign to be the backup pinata.
Heck, I might even throw out Milton if I was them just to protect Maye, maybe get lucky and he show's enough for someone to make a trade for hm.
I think the problem is managing Maye and the locker room. As in Maye seems a tad agitated, not in a bad egg kind of way just a little frustrated, that he's not starting because he thinks he outplayed Brisset and/or is ready. And if the team thinks Maye is the best option it's hard to tell them "you guys go out and give it your all but we are protecting this one".
Not close IMO, there are degrees of bad.Worse than Chicago's dreadful line?Amen, saw some awesome after the fact analysis posts last night.Note how they all had to wait until week 3 against the Jets brutal defense on a short week to come out the woodwork with their gotcha takes.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
It’s so tiring to see so many people reflexively negative after one game. ONE game. He’s had two good games and one bad one in 2024. Relax everyone. Sheesh. @Hot Sauce Guy has the right take here. Let’s see how the next few games go before remotely considering it’s time to panic. There’s a ton of season left to see how things shake out.
Probably because they were wrong weeks 1 & 2.
He has been hard for me to figure him out though. I got him on a few teams, benched him in a few week one and it hurt. Wanted to bench him last night in just one of those league, boiled down to him vs Charbs, everything I saw forecast Rhamondre a tad higher so I went full sheep and listened. Short week on a guy who has carried that massive load should have lead to more concern. Ragrets.....I got a few.
It's actually a testament to his super underrated talent he was so productive the first two weeks. I really can't think of a worse relatively healthy OL in the 40+ years I've been watching NFL football.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I did a deeper dive on team fantasy production for RBs, and NE ranked higher than I expected. If Stevenson can get a huge % of the workload, he should still do ok. I stand by my other comments that the NE OL is trash and the offense as a whole is well below average. We'll have to see how that impacts RS's fantasy production. I still have a concern that a big workload makes him susceptible to injury, but that's not something that is easy to predict.
Here are the total fantasy points scored (1 PPR) by a team's RBs for all of last year and the first few games of this year. I probably should have put this together earlier . . . grouped in tiers of 50 points.
MIA - 647.3
SFO - 578.6, DET - 561.3
NYJ - 483.8, ATL - 473, BAL - 466.8
TEN - 447.5, NOS - 443.7, DEN - 443, CLE - 436.5, WAS - 432.2, PIT - 432, BUF - 430.5, KCC - 422.3, LAR - 412.6, NEP - 406.9, IND - 400.3
ARI - 388, DAL - 380.9, JAX - 378.6, PHI - 372.9, SEA - 366.6, CIN - 363.7, TBB - 362.1, CHI - 361.9
LVR - 342.9, GBP - 338.3, MIN - 336.4, LAC - 333.8, NYG - 331.3, HOU 311.1, CAR - 310.6
The Pats have played an extra game, so they will likely be passed by a couple of teams this weekend. These numbers obviously incorporate a lot more from last season than this season, and lots has changed for many teams (players, coaches, and OC's coming and going).
Here are the total fantasy points scored (1 PPR) by a team's RBs for all of last year and the first few games of this year. I probably should have put this together earlier . . . grouped in tiers of 50 points.
MIA - 647.3
SFO - 578.6, DET - 561.3
NYJ - 483.8, ATL - 473, BAL - 466.8
TEN - 447.5, NOS - 443.7, DEN - 443, CLE - 436.5, WAS - 432.2, PIT - 432, BUF - 430.5, KCC - 422.3, LAR - 412.6, NEP - 406.9, IND - 400.3
ARI - 388, DAL - 380.9, JAX - 378.6, PHI - 372.9, SEA - 366.6, CIN - 363.7, TBB - 362.1, CHI - 361.9
LVR - 342.9, GBP - 338.3, MIN - 336.4, LAC - 333.8, NYG - 331.3, HOU 311.1, CAR - 310.6
The Pats have played an extra game, so they will likely be passed by a couple of teams this weekend. These numbers obviously incorporate a lot more from last season than this season, and lots has changed for many teams (players, coaches, and OC's coming and going).
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I didn’t think he would only get 6 carries, but yes, I thought the Jets would win and control the clock. I expected the Pats offense to be horrible, for RS to get fewer touches than the previous 2 weeks. So yeah, it played out generally like I thought.
I started Brian Robinson and D Montgomery instead. We’ll see if either of them deliver.
Flip side, using the same logic I benched Quincy Williams at LB. He had a solid game. Probably was a bad decision.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think there’s a combination there where Brissett is less mobile than Caleb Williams, and the line is almost as bad, so I’m going to award a tie.Worse than Chicago's dreadful line?Amen, saw some awesome after the fact analysis posts last night.Note how they all had to wait until week 3 against the Jets brutal defense on a short week to come out the woodwork with their gotcha takes.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
It’s so tiring to see so many people reflexively negative after one game. ONE game. He’s had two good games and one bad one in 2024. Relax everyone. Sheesh. @Hot Sauce Guy has the right take here. Let’s see how the next few games go before remotely considering it’s time to panic. There’s a ton of season left to see how things shake out.
Probably because they were wrong weeks 1 & 2.
He has been hard for me to figure him out though. I got him on a few teams, benched him in a few week one and it hurt. Wanted to bench him last night in just one of those league, boiled down to him vs Charbs, everything I saw forecast Rhamondre a tad higher so I went full sheep and listened. Short week on a guy who has carried that massive load should have lead to more concern. Ragrets.....I got a few.
It's actually a testament to his super underrated talent he was so productive the first two weeks. I really can't think of a worse relatively healthy OL in the 40+ years I've been watching NFL football.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If I had Brian Robinson and Montgomery, I would’ve started them over Stevenson as well.
Alas, that was not a luxury afforded to me
I sure do think it happens again
I suspect a number of 3 point games for ne in the future and under 5 fantasy points for rs
And I'm an owner across the board. Just like it doesn't matter how good javonte williams is the team is a dumpster fire
And you don't have to make a snarky reply. I get that we think differently and that's alright
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wasn’t snarky - I am shocked he only got 6 carries and I do NOT believe that will happen again.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I think you're reading this wrong. Middling injury backup means kface thought he shouldn't be drafted until after you have your two starters and should be an every week ff starter. Seems like another way of valuing a guy at RB 28-33That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.Doesn't need to be on him. The result isn't even a middling injury backup ff output.You can’t seriously put this on RS.This aged even more poorly
Pats OL was a screen door & Jets D was absurd tonight. They gave him 7 carries. 7.
Cmon.
He wasn’t injured and He’s been great the 1st 2 weeks.
Again, cmon.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If that’s the correct read, then I still disagree because I believe he is ranked higher than that.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
That's fine, just wanted to explain where the other position was in this debate.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Should be better than last week, how could it be worse? Still not a great matchup by any means. DL Javon Hargrave is OUT for the 49ers, so that should help the NEP offense a bit.
He’s a low end RB2 this week. I’m benching him for Zach Moss though.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE most likely will have to start Demontrey Jacobs at LT. NE signed him off the Denver practice squad a few weeks ago. He saw his first 14 snaps against the Jets last week. The Pats still have several other lineman out with injuries . . . on a line that was horrible to begin with. Some fantasy squads may not have other better options. I guess it depends who is on your roster.
I realize so far that SF has allowed some decent rushing totals for opposing RBs . . . but those teams actually had passing attacks. The Niners likely won't be concerned by what the Pats will put up through the air and will stack the box and blitz a lot. I'm guessing that won't be great for Stevenson.
I realize so far that SF has allowed some decent rushing totals for opposing RBs . . . but those teams actually had passing attacks. The Niners likely won't be concerned by what the Pats will put up through the air and will stack the box and blitz a lot. I'm guessing that won't be great for Stevenson.
Proteus
Footballguy
Thanks for the intel.
Strongly considering flexing in Jameson W, but he vanished last week too.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Stevenson is in a tough spot. NE started their 4th different LT in 4 games. The OL is a MASH unit, and anyone they have run out there is worse than the guy before him. Stevenson fumbled for the 4th game in a row, and he's still getting hit behind the LOS on most of his carries. Since his big game in Week 1, he's had a 3.6 ypc to go along with his 3.7 ypr.
Lots of chatter that there's now tape of what NE is running, and defensive coordinators have decrypted their alignments, schemes, and play calls. Whatever element of surprise they had is pretty much gone. After back-to-back three score defeats, the game script hasn't favored RS to get fed the ball. Since Week 1, Gibson has amassed 219 YFS on 29 touches, while Stevenson has produced 175 YFS in 46 touches.
Maybe things will improve if NE even solves their OL issues, and things might work better with Maye. But it still sounds like switching to Maye is a long way's off. Stevenson's still a solid back, but they aren't currently able to unleash him.
Lots of chatter that there's now tape of what NE is running, and defensive coordinators have decrypted their alignments, schemes, and play calls. Whatever element of surprise they had is pretty much gone. After back-to-back three score defeats, the game script hasn't favored RS to get fed the ball. Since Week 1, Gibson has amassed 219 YFS on 29 touches, while Stevenson has produced 175 YFS in 46 touches.
Maybe things will improve if NE even solves their OL issues, and things might work better with Maye. But it still sounds like switching to Maye is a long way's off. Stevenson's still a solid back, but they aren't currently able to unleash him.
Boston
Footballguy
The issue is how can they now solve their O line issues? This group is what it is right now...not good with little hope of getting better. At this point it is simply a talent issue. I just don't see how it gets better with what they have and they really aren't in a position to trade draft picks for a short-term fix. Wolf probably wasn't gonna solve the long-term issues at O-line this past offseason, but he needed to get them to at least functional which he didn't. I like Polk but in hindsight that pick should have definitely been a Tackle and if you liked Polk that much you could have traded back into the second round to get him. Wallace is a decent prospect, but it really was wishful thinking to think a 3rd round college RT could transition to LT in the NFL as a rookie. It's so frustrating it is this bad (and has been for a few years now) because while I/we would love to see Maye in there it could do more harm than good due to the mess at O-line. It really is too bad the O-line is this bad because while they aren't a good team I think they could have made more overall strides this year than they will because that line just limits them so much.
Mike Reiss
@MikeReiss
Jerod Mayo, to
@scottzolak
, on Patriots All-Access regarding his plans at RB on Sunday: “Had a conversation with Rhamondre [Stevenson] and he won’t be starting … I’ll be upfront and transparent. But he will play. And he understands he has to protect the football going forward
@MikeReiss
Jerod Mayo, to
@scottzolak
, on Patriots All-Access regarding his plans at RB on Sunday: “Had a conversation with Rhamondre [Stevenson] and he won’t be starting … I’ll be upfront and transparent. But he will play. And he understands he has to protect the football going forward
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wait until Jarod finds out that Gibson has his own history of fumbles.
jm192
Footballguy
This is just 1 random internet dude trying to read the tea leaves here, but:
Mayo has talked about protecting the ball and how he can't preach that to the team if Rhamondre fumbles the football and gets to keep starting.
This to me seems ceremonial. It's a slap on the wrist to send a message to the team. Fumble the ball, come off the bench. It almost sounds to me like they want him to be/stay the guy, but they can't tolerate the fumbles.
I *think* we may see Rhamondre get about his usual volume. So long as he holds onto the football, he probably starts the rest of the season.
Mentall,y, I'm not moving RS way down. I'm not moving Gibson way up. I'm not super excited to play either if you have other options.
Mayo has talked about protecting the ball and how he can't preach that to the team if Rhamondre fumbles the football and gets to keep starting.
This to me seems ceremonial. It's a slap on the wrist to send a message to the team. Fumble the ball, come off the bench. It almost sounds to me like they want him to be/stay the guy, but they can't tolerate the fumbles.
I *think* we may see Rhamondre get about his usual volume. So long as he holds onto the football, he probably starts the rest of the season.
Mentall,y, I'm not moving RS way down. I'm not moving Gibson way up. I'm not super excited to play either if you have other options.
Agree
the spanker
Footballguy
Just let RS fumble ONE more time for the rest of the season......just ONCE.
Gibson got ran out of Washington because he fumbles!
TheWinz
Footballguy
Fun stat
Rhamondre has 4 fumbles in his last 4 games - in a total of 74 touches
Joe Mixon has 3 fumbles in his last 84 games - in a total of 1691 touches
And some people wonder why Mixon the plodder has kept his workhorse role all these years. Also, touch for touch, Rhamondre has more fumbles than Antonio.
Rhamondre has 4 fumbles in his last 4 games - in a total of 74 touches
Joe Mixon has 3 fumbles in his last 84 games - in a total of 1691 touches
And some people wonder why Mixon the plodder has kept his workhorse role all these years. Also, touch for touch, Rhamondre has more fumbles than Antonio.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I mentioned in one of the other threads that I expect RS to get a slap on the wrist and Gibson will receive a ceremonial designation as the “starter” and get the carries on their first drive. After that, I expect things will go back to normal. The “benched” moniker was a media designation Mayo never even broached as a subject.
(Rotowire) Gibson is in line to start at running back in the Patriots' Week 5 matchup with the Dolphins, Mike Reiss of ESPN.com reports. Analysis: Head coach Jerod Mayo stated Friday that Rhamondre Stevenson has officially lost his starting role for at least Week 5. The reason for this is due to his fumbling issues through four games. As a result, Gibson is presumably the next man up in New England's backfield. The veteran back has accumulated 155 yards on 29 carries, while hauling in seven passes for 82 yards. While Stevenson is still expected to play a role in the offense as a depth option, Gibson should get an opportunity to shine versus Miami.
I'm honestly expecting Stevenson to out touch Gibson anyway.I think Mayo is doing the right thing by sending a message about accountability. Likely just for the opening drive. That being said Gibson isn’t exactly Mr. Ball Security himself:
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mixon ain’t done **** the last 3 weeks tho.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same.I'm honestly expecting Stevenson to out touch Gibson anyway.I think Mayo is doing the right thing by sending a message about accountability. Likely just for the opening drive. That being said Gibson isn’t exactly Mr. Ball Security himself:
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I benched him where I have a better option, but BYEs aren’t pretty. He’s starting for me on one league.
