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RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (2 Viewers)

I may need to bump him up. My first thought was that he's going to have a hard time getting the 1A treatment because Stevenson has never seemed to be a liability. Rhamondre is tough to get on the ground, grinds out tough yardage and seems to have good skill in the passing game for a guy of his size. But Henderson might really be the 1A in an ascending offense. FWIW, Ourlads already has him atop the depth chart. Early 2nd round draft capital seems like that's the move.

The thing that's a little challenging is this: I don't know that they're going to split this up on roles. The only role that seems more of a foregone conclusion is short yardage being much more of Stevenson bias. I do think there's a team-strategic advantage in not having the RB be a tell on whether or not the play is a running play vs a passing play. I can easily see either one being in there on 3rd and long and taking a dumpoff for a first down. Those have been good plays for Stevenson. Henderson will be more likely to house those.

Waldman : "Henderson is one of the most explosive scat backs in this class. He's an electric runner who does his best work in space, but if the play design between the tackles unfolds as drawn up, Henderson can win there too." Has a Swift-Mckinnon comp for him.

Beast: "Overall, Henderson isn't a proven bellcow between the tackles, but his bursts of speed make him a home-run threat and coaches can trust him to execute without the football. His versatile skill set will be an immediate upgrade to an NFL backfield."

It might end up being a drive by drive thing to keep Henderson fresh. That doesn't seem like a Josh McDaniels thing.

Long story short, I might have to bump him up. Other than having good WRs, this offense would seem to be on the upswing with a chance for lots of RB touches and more of a middle of the pack overall scoring output. Especially in PPR, he could end up being a back end RB1 for a good while.

I'm having a hard time splitting between Judkins, Johnson and Henderson for rookie draft rankings..
Anyone who thinks Henderson is a scat back / 3rd down guy is out of their damn miind and really don't know what they are talking about, nor watched Henderson over his entire time at Ohio St.
 
I may need to bump him up. My first thought was that he's going to have a hard time getting the 1A treatment because Stevenson has never seemed to be a liability. Rhamondre is tough to get on the ground, grinds out tough yardage and seems to have good skill in the passing game for a guy of his size. But Henderson might really be the 1A in an ascending offense. FWIW, Ourlads already has him atop the depth chart. Early 2nd round draft capital seems like that's the move.

The thing that's a little challenging is this: I don't know that they're going to split this up on roles. The only role that seems more of a foregone conclusion is short yardage being much more of Stevenson bias. I do think there's a team-strategic advantage in not having the RB be a tell on whether or not the play is a running play vs a passing play. I can easily see either one being in there on 3rd and long and taking a dumpoff for a first down. Those have been good plays for Stevenson. Henderson will be more likely to house those.

Waldman : "Henderson is one of the most explosive scat backs in this class. He's an electric runner who does his best work in space, but if the play design between the tackles unfolds as drawn up, Henderson can win there too." Has a Swift-Mckinnon comp for him.

Beast: "Overall, Henderson isn't a proven bellcow between the tackles, but his bursts of speed make him a home-run threat and coaches can trust him to execute without the football. His versatile skill set will be an immediate upgrade to an NFL backfield."

It might end up being a drive by drive thing to keep Henderson fresh. That doesn't seem like a Josh McDaniels thing.

Long story short, I might have to bump him up. Other than having good WRs, this offense would seem to be on the upswing with a chance for lots of RB touches and more of a middle of the pack overall scoring output. Especially in PPR, he could end up being a back end RB1 for a good while.

I'm having a hard time splitting between Judkins, Johnson and Henderson for rookie draft rankings..
Anyone who thinks Henderson is a scat back / 3rd down guy is out of their damn miind and really don't know what they are talking about, nor watched Henderson over his entire time at Ohio St.

How high are you taking him in rookie drafts?
 
I may need to bump him up. My first thought was that he's going to have a hard time getting the 1A treatment because Stevenson has never seemed to be a liability. Rhamondre is tough to get on the ground, grinds out tough yardage and seems to have good skill in the passing game for a guy of his size. But Henderson might really be the 1A in an ascending offense. FWIW, Ourlads already has him atop the depth chart. Early 2nd round draft capital seems like that's the move.

The thing that's a little challenging is this: I don't know that they're going to split this up on roles. The only role that seems more of a foregone conclusion is short yardage being much more of Stevenson bias. I do think there's a team-strategic advantage in not having the RB be a tell on whether or not the play is a running play vs a passing play. I can easily see either one being in there on 3rd and long and taking a dumpoff for a first down. Those have been good plays for Stevenson. Henderson will be more likely to house those.

Waldman : "Henderson is one of the most explosive scat backs in this class. He's an electric runner who does his best work in space, but if the play design between the tackles unfolds as drawn up, Henderson can win there too." Has a Swift-Mckinnon comp for him.

Beast: "Overall, Henderson isn't a proven bellcow between the tackles, but his bursts of speed make him a home-run threat and coaches can trust him to execute without the football. His versatile skill set will be an immediate upgrade to an NFL backfield."

It might end up being a drive by drive thing to keep Henderson fresh. That doesn't seem like a Josh McDaniels thing.

Long story short, I might have to bump him up. Other than having good WRs, this offense would seem to be on the upswing with a chance for lots of RB touches and more of a middle of the pack overall scoring output. Especially in PPR, he could end up being a back end RB1 for a good while.

I'm having a hard time splitting between Judkins, Johnson and Henderson for rookie draft rankings..
Anyone who thinks Henderson is a scat back / 3rd down guy is out of their damn miind and really don't know what they are talking about, nor watched Henderson over his entire time at Ohio St.

How high are you taking him in rookie drafts?
As high as I choose to :)
 
I may need to bump him up. My first thought was that he's going to have a hard time getting the 1A treatment because Stevenson has never seemed to be a liability. Rhamondre is tough to get on the ground, grinds out tough yardage and seems to have good skill in the passing game for a guy of his size. But Henderson might really be the 1A in an ascending offense. FWIW, Ourlads already has him atop the depth chart. Early 2nd round draft capital seems like that's the move.

The thing that's a little challenging is this: I don't know that they're going to split this up on roles. The only role that seems more of a foregone conclusion is short yardage being much more of Stevenson bias. I do think there's a team-strategic advantage in not having the RB be a tell on whether or not the play is a running play vs a passing play. I can easily see either one being in there on 3rd and long and taking a dumpoff for a first down. Those have been good plays for Stevenson. Henderson will be more likely to house those.

Waldman : "Henderson is one of the most explosive scat backs in this class. He's an electric runner who does his best work in space, but if the play design between the tackles unfolds as drawn up, Henderson can win there too." Has a Swift-Mckinnon comp for him.

Beast: "Overall, Henderson isn't a proven bellcow between the tackles, but his bursts of speed make him a home-run threat and coaches can trust him to execute without the football. His versatile skill set will be an immediate upgrade to an NFL backfield."

It might end up being a drive by drive thing to keep Henderson fresh. That doesn't seem like a Josh McDaniels thing.

Long story short, I might have to bump him up. Other than having good WRs, this offense would seem to be on the upswing with a chance for lots of RB touches and more of a middle of the pack overall scoring output. Especially in PPR, he could end up being a back end RB1 for a good while.

I'm having a hard time splitting between Judkins, Johnson and Henderson for rookie draft rankings..
Anyone who thinks Henderson is a scat back / 3rd down guy is out of their damn miind and really don't know what they are talking about, nor watched Henderson over his entire time at Ohio St.

How high are you taking him in rookie drafts?
Top 5 in 1 QB leagues
 
Rhamondre also had 7 fumbles last year on only 207 carries... I've always been a Rhamondre truther but that was coming out as a rookie and based on where he was valued by the community.

I would tell anyone worried about Henderson because of Rhamondre to watch over his games from last season; but that feels like cruel and unusual punishment. Regardless, he's leftovers from the old regime and obviously Vrabel told you with the 6th pick in the second round what his thoughts were on their backfield situation.

The fact he's also majorly invested in the oline... I'm wheels up on Henderson. I have had Hampton is his own tier under Jeanty for a while now, but I think Henderson might have to tuck in there with him at this point. Even if we want to project he's going to split the ground work with an existing back; depending on your thoughts about Kyle Williams, Henderson also just became this teams best receiving weapon. 100 targets this year is a fair projection. At that rate, the ground work would just be icing on the cake.
 
100 targets this year is a fair projection.

i might have misread the dosage on this gummy cuz i swear you said 100 targets was a fair projection
I'd be a bit surprised if anyone other than Diggs had 100 targets in NE this year, and even that is assuming Diggs is ready week 1.

ETA: I'm expecting a RB split not dissimilar to what Ohio St had last year.
Even if Stevenson gets more than I expect he will, the thing I love about Henderson is that he can do more with less. He's about as close to a Gibbs clone as there is.
 
100 targets this year is a fair projection.

i might have misread the dosage on this gummy cuz i swear you said 100 targets was a fair projection
Rhamondre got 88 in 2022. Different HC and OC, sure. Am I missing all the other WRs they picked up in FA and drafted?

Actually, I have kyle williams ranked very high... Simms actually had him #2 overall
And I posted Simms record on his WR rankings over the years in the Williams thread. He's about up there with Kiper projecting QBs. Regardless.

Like I said in my OG post, considering where you sit on Williams. So who would you project to be the second most targeted guy on this offense after Williams then. I get Diggs, but at the same time a 31 year old receiver, playing for his third team in three years, coming off an ACL tear.... I'm still laying my money on Henderson.
 
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100 targets this year is a fair projection.

i might have misread the dosage on this gummy cuz i swear you said 100 targets was a fair projection
Rhamondre got 88 in 2022. Different HC and OC, sure. Am I missing all the other WRs they picked up in FA and drafted?

Actually, I have kyle williams ranked very high... Simms actually had him #2 overall
And I posted Simms record on his WR rankings over the years in the Williams thread. He's about up there with Kiper projecting QBs. Regardless.

Like I said in my OG post, considering where you sit on Williams. So who would you project to be the second most targeted guy on this offense after Williams then. I get Diggs, but at the same time a 31 year old receiver, playing for his third team in three years, coming off an ACL tear.... I'm still laying my money on Henderson.

diggs, williams, hollins... then TEs get some.
I don't doubt henderson will get a bunch of throws, but 100? that's a big, big number
 
100 targets this year is a fair projection.

i might have misread the dosage on this gummy cuz i swear you said 100 targets was a fair projection
Rhamondre got 88 in 2022. Different HC and OC, sure. Am I missing all the other WRs they picked up in FA and drafted?

Actually, I have kyle williams ranked very high... Simms actually had him #2 overall
And I posted Simms record on his WR rankings over the years in the Williams thread. He's about up there with Kiper projecting QBs. Regardless.

Like I said in my OG post, considering where you sit on Williams. So who would you project to be the second most targeted guy on this offense after Williams then. I get Diggs, but at the same time a 31 year old receiver, playing for his third team in three years, coming off an ACL tear.... I'm still laying my money on Henderson.

diggs, williams, hollins... then TEs get some.
I don't doubt henderson will get a bunch of throws, but 100? that's a big, big number
Ok, on second thought can I move the goal posts to say 80? Lol. 100 would be quite wild.

I do sincerely think he's the best weapon this team currently has on offense. But I also did say in the Williams thread, I'm very ok with conceding he was a miss on my part. Fantasy guys, NFL scouts, and now NFL draft capital has said I was too low on him. Even if he is the Steff Diggs lite some people think he could be, that would make Henderson #2 look. Which I'm extrapolating to a situation where it becomes very hard to keep him off the field for more than a few drives a game to catch a blow. I think he really could be a 3 down back, even if he's a few touches short of what we'd normally consider one. I still believe he would get all the premiere touches, third down/short yardage work, passing down work, goal line work. And if their line improves on the field as much as it looks like it did on paper, I don't see wasting him blocking in the backfield unless it's a chip and escape to the flats kind of thing.

Just kind of feels like people are letting the air out of the tires on Henderson when predraft he was pretty much locked as the RB3, and most said he had the highest upside next to Jeanty. I know people's dream was landing on the Broncos. But I think the Pats could be just as good. We can poke fun at McDaniels, but he did make Shane Vereen, Dion Lewis, James White all look very much better than most of us ever would have thought and a lot of it was through the receiving game. I think Henderson beats these guys from a talent perspective by a wide margin.
 
Are we so sure Henderson is going to even get the most RB opportunities in New England? They seem to love Rhamondre. Even though they claimed to be unhappy with him due to fumbles, he still got the most opportunities by far, even though Gibson performed markedly better than him. Though, I guess they did pretty much go with Gibson the last couple weeks of the season.
 
Are we so sure Henderson is going to even get the most RB opportunities in New England? They seem to love Rhamondre. Even though they claimed to be unhappy with him due to fumbles, he still got the most opportunities by far, even though Gibson performed markedly better than him. Though, I guess they did pretty much go with Gibson the last couple weeks of the season.
They being the coach that got fired, but Rhamondre might be a bigger roadblock than Najee
 
Are we so sure Henderson is going to even get the most RB opportunities in New England? They seem to love Rhamondre. Even though they claimed to be unhappy with him due to fumbles, he still got the most opportunities by far, even though Gibson performed markedly better than him. Though, I guess they did pretty much go with Gibson the last couple weeks of the season.
They being the coach that got fired, but Rhamondre might be a bigger roadblock than Najee
Again, Henderson will be very much fantasy relevant even if he gets fewer rushes. His receiving abilities will be a constant, along with his running. Think Gibbs.
 
Are we so sure Henderson is going to even get the most RB opportunities in New England? They seem to love Rhamondre. Even though they claimed to be unhappy with him due to fumbles, he still got the most opportunities by far, even though Gibson performed markedly better than him. Though, I guess they did pretty much go with Gibson the last couple weeks of the season.

Since Vrabel has not coached Rhamondre it's tough to know how they feel about him although there was definitely chatter this offseason he could be traded...overall he has been an enigma...when he looks good he can look very good but he is definitely not consistent and prone to some painful mistakes which can be frustrating...with McDaniels back in town my guess is they would love for him to get it together and form a nice 1-2 punch with Henderson with a bit of Gibson sprinkled in...IMO Henderson is the back to own here but like many backfields there will be some sharing...but that is how the NFL currently is and why I think the search for the great white whale (i.e. the Bell Cow) is usually antiquated thinking.
 
I don’t play in a ton of dynasty leagues so Henderson was one guy I felt I had to make sure to come away with. I understand some of the arguments against him, I just feel like he has the skill set to be a really high end RB1. Big plays, lots of receptions. gimme.
 
Jeff Ratcliffe on XM has Henderson ranked #10 player for rookie dynasty drafts.
Jeff Ratcliffe on XM has Henderson ranked #10 player for rookie dynasty drafts.
Lol. He’s top 5

Oof. Insightful.
He went 4, 5, 5, 5 in my drafts.

80 still high, esp for a rookie... But if he can catch and act as a safety valve for his QB, it's doable.
Late response here, can't believe I slept through this thread, but Henderson is a beast in pass pro - easily the best college RB I have ever seen. Google it, he levels guys.
 
Jeff Ratcliffe on XM has Henderson ranked #10 player for rookie dynasty drafts.
Jeff Ratcliffe on XM has Henderson ranked #10 player for rookie dynasty drafts.
Lol. He’s top 5

Oof. Insightful.
He went 4, 5, 5, 5 in my drafts.

80 still high, esp for a rookie... But if he can catch and act as a safety valve for his QB, it's doable.
Late response here, can't believe I slept through this thread, but Henderson is a beast in pass pro - easily the best college RB I have ever seen. Google it, he levels guys.
Better than Clinton Portis? He was the best I’ve ever seen
 

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