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Toss-up, slight lean Henderson in my opinion.
I also lean Henderson though I think he’s getting a little overrated. I’ve seen people saying he’s gonna be a Gibbs like player and I just don’t see that level of explosion not to mention the health issues he has had.
I don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
I didn’t say he would remain in that role forever. I have no shares of any player currently. Over the years, with McDaniels as OC, rookie backs were brought along slowly and played much more in future seasons. The same argument can be made for Stevenson as Henderson . . . why did they sign him to a $36 million contract if they had no plan to use him? He’s the 6th highest paid RB in the league. I would expect Stevenson to have way more carries and TD and Henderson to have more receptions.I don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
Sayiing Henderson will have more receptions is an understatement and is obvious. Where you're missing on Henderson IMO is the amount of carries he will get. I believe he will be used a lot like he was at OSU last year. Stevenson may start out getting work, but don't be surprised when those touches dwindle as the season progresses, especially if he leads the league for RB fumbles again. He led the league in fumbles for a non-quarterback in 2024 with sevenI didn’t say he would remain in that role forever. I have no shares of any player currently. Over the years, with McDaniels as OC, rookie backs were brought along slowly and played much more in future seasons. The same argument can be made for Stevenson as Henderson . . . why did they sign him to a $36 million contract if they had no plan to use him? He’s the 6th highest paid RB in the league. I would expect Stevenson to have way more carries and TD and Henderson to have more receptions.I don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
It’s pretty reasonable for year 1. During White’s 2 peak years he averaged 10 touches a game. I think Henderson gets more than that but not too much more.
Yeah I think the play of Stevenson is the wildcard in determining the role Henderson gets and how quickly.Sayiing Henderson will have more receptions is an understatement and is obvious. Where you're missing on Henderson IMO is the amount of carries he will get. I believe he will be used a lot like he was at OSU last year. Stevenson may start out getting work, but don't be surprised when those touches dwindle as the season progresses, especially if he leads the league for RB fumbles again. He led the league in fumbles for a non-quarterback in 2024 with sevenI didn’t say he would remain in that role forever. I have no shares of any player currently. Over the years, with McDaniels as OC, rookie backs were brought along slowly and played much more in future seasons. The same argument can be made for Stevenson as Henderson . . . why did they sign him to a $36 million contract if they had no plan to use him? He’s the 6th highest paid RB in the league. I would expect Stevenson to have way more carries and TD and Henderson to have more receptions.I don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
And SOMEONE with a preference for high tops probably has multiple shares of HendersonI don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
Sure I do and for good reason. I planned it thst way, starting a couple of years ago in DEVY leagues and wherever I could in standard dynasty leagues this year.And SOMEONE with a preference for high tops probably has multiple shares of HendersonI don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
So your opinion is as biased as the guy who is claiming Henderson won't be all that and you joked his opinion was based on not having any shares?Sure I do and for good reason. I planned it thst way, starting a couple of years ago in DEVY leagues and wherever I could in standard dynasty leagues this year.And SOMEONE with a preference for high tops probably has multiple shares of HendersonI don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
Maybe reread the post. I said your opinion as pro Henderson was as biased as the other guys Henderson won't be that great opinion. I didn't attribute it to youkeyword: "joked". Where did I claim Henderson "won't be all that"? I thought I was claiming the oppositeSo your opinion is as biased as the guy who is claiming Henderson won't be all that and you joked his opinion was based on not having any shares?Sure I do and for good reason. I planned it thst way, starting a couple of years ago in DEVY leagues and wherever I could in standard dynasty leagues this year.And SOMEONE with a preference for high tops probably has multiple shares of HendersonI don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
That was the point
OopsMaybe reread the post. I said your opinion as pro Henderson was as biased as the other guys Henderson won't be that great opinion. I didn't attribute it to youkeyword: "joked". Where did I claim Henderson "won't be all that"? I thought I was claiming the oppositeSo your opinion is as biased as the guy who is claiming Henderson won't be all that and you joked his opinion was based on not having any shares?Sure I do and for good reason. I planned it thst way, starting a couple of years ago in DEVY leagues and wherever I could in standard dynasty leagues this year.And SOMEONE with a preference for high tops probably has multiple shares of HendersonI don't either. He probably doesn't have any shares of Henderson, but wish he did
That was the point
Nicely said
Again, all this is interesting as an exercise as we all zero in on different facets. I looked at what I posted again and see that no rookie lit it up in terms receptions. I get it Henderson is not any of those players, so it could be a moot point. I also see that the two times they burned an early round pick with an established back still on the roster, they split the workload. RB1 averaged 217 touches, while the rookie averaged 172 touches. FBGs has Stevenson projected at 208 touches and Henderson at 200 this year. all we think we really know is that RS should start the year in pole position, and the rest will be outcome dependent. If the NE offense really is improved, then Stevenson could certainly benefit. He was getting pummeled as soon as he touched the ball in the backfield last year. Hard to get positive yardage when you can't even get any momentum moving forward. If the OL is as porous as last year, Henderson won't light it up either.
Regarding your last sentence. It’s easier for Henderson’s explosiveness and make miss ability to be the difference between making something out of nothing. Probably something Stevenson can’t do as well as Henderson.
White had a 181 and 139 in consecutive years but yes Gibbs is probably a better comp though I don’t see him being as explosive (and neither does the nfl based on the drafts). Also the NE offense isn’t the the DET offense so I would definitely be cautious when comping those two players.
Sayers career was cut short due to injury and Henderson has an injury history. They don’t compare anyway. Gibbs is a good comp, even if it has been overused.
That's great work, but I think everyone can agree Henderson's athletic profile and abilities are FAR SURPERIOR to everyone on that list. In fact I see a bunch of Jags. And how many of those RBs were taken in the 1st or 2nd round?
Maroney and Michel were 1st rounders and Vereen was a 2nd rounder. But yeah Henderson was a superior RB prospect coming out of college to any of those guys listed.
Yep, and you can't ignore history, but you also don't have to be completely married to it. The Pats have failed more times than not using JAGs for their running attack. My guess is they spent earlier capitol (despite having a lot of needs) knowing they needed to do better than what they've done in the past. Plus, with the Lions and Eagles success the last few years, and their dependency on a strong running game, it's easy to imagine the Pats wanting to copy that, as the NFL has always been a copycat league.
Not to be a cop out, but I have repeatedly posted in NE player threads that this year is a complete wildcard on what to project their players at. Is the line better? Are their receivers better? Is the defense better? Will the JMD offense be the same? Do outcomes that involved Brady have any relevance at all in terms of what to expect? Will the Vrabel strategy be the same as TEN? Will Maye take the next step? Are they more apt to be winning or losing? All of those impact the other questions.
This is both true and false. From 2001 thru 2019 with Brady, the Pats had 36 more wins than any other team. Hard to say they failed at using JAGs for their running attack, when they won 6 SB's in 17 seasons. They actually succeeded at using JAGs for their running attack.
They also had Corey Dillon for a spell and he was anything but a JAG.
How many receptions / yards / tds to go along with that?
2018
