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RB Trey Sermon, IND (1 Viewer)

So Niners just signed Cannon, formerly of the Ravens. Rotoworld doing their typical wild editorial job and all but claiming it to be the final nail in Sermon’s coffin.

Any reason to be very concerned here? At face value it could just be depth move, but who knows with Darth Shanny.

 
Johnny Utah #9 said:
So Niners just signed Cannon, formerly of the Ravens. Rotoworld doing their typical wild editorial job and all but claiming it to be the final nail in Sermon’s coffin.

Any reason to be very concerned here? At face value it could just be depth move, but who knows with Darth Shanny.
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Cannon has a KO TD return to his credit. That would free up Mitchell from the duty, which no one is even sure if it was his in game 1. Mitchell had a nice 40 yard return in preseason, showing very good burst. Have any players been more analyzed and speculated about in a week than Sermon and Mitchell?

 
There really is no reason to expect much from sermon at this point other than holding onto pre-season hopes that have already been proven wrong. 

 
TripItUp said:
We are coming to that conclusion already?
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I can't blame anyone who wants to wait and see with mostert going down, but at the same time some people just can't admit they might have wasted a draft pick.  Not enough bench spots in my league for practice squad scrubs who are third or fourth on the depth chart. (I know he is technically active now). 

 
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GreenNGold said:
I can't blame anyone who wants to wait and see with mostert going down, but at the same time some people just can't admit they might have wasted a draft pick.  Not enough bench spots in my league for practice squad scrubs (I know he is technically active now). 
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I don't think most who drafted Sermon, including myself consider him a "wasted draft pick" after one week.

 
McKinnon...yep

Wilson...uh huh

Mostert...never haelthy

Tevin Coleman

Trey Sermon

The point is nobody ever get enough to make it worth the investment. You might get lucky for a week or two but eventually your lucky number gets shuffled into the back of the pack. And these guys never stay healthy, none of them can take a large workload week in and week out. 

And yet folks are still arguing about it. 

 
Gally said:
More goes into deactivation than just the ability to run the football.  Mostert was healthy and Hasty/Mitchell play special teams.  Part of "beating out" Sermon could be that they play special teams and have a role that Sermon does not.  I have seen situations before where the true back up RB is not active game day because he is redundant to the starter and doesn't do other things (special teams) so they aren't active on game days.  I could be wrong but I believe that to be the case here.  
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Yeah I am not buying that considering how fragile M9stert has been. Like the coaches dont know that?

I understand your kind of heavily invested in Sermon here and that sucks for you, but it also might be influencing your objectivity in evaluating what has happened so far.

He will be active next week and presumably get some opportunity to show what he can do to maybe turn this around.

As far as the special teams angle I was reading an article about the 49ers not getting much out of their draft picks in recent years, and in the article they said Hasty only played on 4 punt plays. So the author didnt think that was it.

eta - correction and I likely remembered this wrong.

Mitchell played on 2 special teams snaps 6%

Hasty played on 2 special teams snaps 6%

So it was 4 special teams snaps between the both of them and thats not much. George Kittle played on 2 special teams snaps as well.

 
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Biabreakable said:
Yeah I am not buying that considering how fragile M9stert has been. Like the coaches dont know that?

I understand your kind of heavily invested in Sermon here and that sucks for you, but it also might be influencing your objectivity in evaluating what has happened so far.

He will be active next week and presumably get some opportunity to show what he can do to maybe turn this around.

As far as the special teams angle I was reading an article about the 49ers not getting much out of their draft picks in recent years, and in the article they said Hasty only played on 4 punt plays. So the author didnt think that was it.
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I am not heavily invested in Sermon.  I have him in one league.  I am basing my thoughts on the training camp news, draft write ups, eye test, etc.  I am a Sermon believer as I like what I have seen and I do think he is a better RB than Mitchell based on college performance and news out there.  

As far as fragile Mostert and not believing that narrative because the coaches know Mostert's history and should have kept Sermon active if the was that far ahead of Mitchell..........well, they may not think he is that far ahead of Mitchell and they were fine with the risk knowing they were playing Detroit and thought their team was better suited with Sermon inactive.  That is not a glowing report for Sermon for sure but I don't think it's the end of the world either.  

 
Gally said:
I am not heavily invested in Sermon.  I have him in one league.  I am basing my thoughts on the training camp news, draft write ups, eye test, etc.  I am a Sermon believer as I like what I have seen and I do think he is a better RB than Mitchell based on college performance and news out there.  

As far as fragile Mostert and not believing that narrative because the coaches know Mostert's history and should have kept Sermon active if the was that far ahead of Mitchell..........well, they may not think he is that far ahead of Mitchell and they were fine with the risk knowing they were playing Detroit and thought their team was better suited with Sermon inactive.  That is not a glowing report for Sermon for sure but I don't think it's the end of the world either.  
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Ok my mistake.

Didnt you trade Josh Jacob's for him? Or something like that IIRC.

As far as your special teams angle goes neither Mitchell or Hasty played many special teams snaps, so that doesnt seem to be it.

 
As a guy who took Sermon around 11-12th rounds in a 12 team league I would like to think it wasn't a wasted pick.  But he will need to show something this week.  He doesn't have to suddenly nail down the 1A role but he does need to be given some carries and do something with them.

Not saying I dump him after 2 weeks if he sucks but he will be on thin ice.  And it is silly some folks are actually dumping him or given up based on the first week of the year.  Not being active is a bad sign but heck, if he has the talent there is now the opportunity.  We'll know more after this week.

 
I think there is legitimate reason for Sermon owners to be concerned. I'm seeing a lot of defenses of Sermon going back to where he was drafted and trading to get him and maybe its a motivational thing. I think we have all been around long enough to know that those situations DO occur and mean something...but then sometimes they don't . For every Trent Richardson and Curtis Enis, there exists an Arian Foster or, to a less extreme degree Davante Adams. 

I can see the perspective from either side but something that always seems to be true is availability is the best ability on the NFL field. If a player like Mitchell performs well and IF the nIners have been a little lukewarm on Sermon from what they have seen, the situation becomes very different. It is hard to turn down production on the field in the NFL.

It is pretty interesting that the 49ers brought in another RB. Is he a special teams star that frees us Hasty and Mitchell or is it as suggested that the 49ers might actually bring him up and cloudy the waters with Sermon more. I think that would be telling they do that.

With a ll that being said, this is 2021 in the NFL and we have Covid. I tend to think most teams are keeping A LOT of guys on speed dial this year. They may all be relevant at various points. The only difference being that Mitchell is relevant now.

 
It seems crazy to me that no one who covers the team knew Sermon was beat out by Hasty and Mitchel. I think there is something more to this. I wouldn't be shocked to see Sermon start next week. I feel like something happened and they want to keep it in house. 

That being said, I could be wrong so I will still throw out a modest bid for Mitchel in the hopes I get lucky and get him. At this moment he has a wide range of outcomes to include league winner. After my first two RB's I have nothing on the bench but dart throws and guy's who way underperformed week 1. 

 
I drafted Elijah Mitchell in dynasty and I'm a big fan, but I think it's a complete overreaction to dismiss Sermon.  I think he (Sermon) still has plenty of opportunity ahead. 

Week 2 will be fun to watch unfold.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Same

Gus getting hurt hurt me bad 
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I lost Jeudy as well. This puts me down a flex position. Getting Mitchell is valuable to me both for RB depth and someone to plug in at the flex. I've gone back and forth about how much I want to bid. The irony is I probably won't get him because he'll probably go for 60% or more knowing how it goes in my league. I just don't trust his usage to go that high.

 
Biabreakable said:
As far as your special teams angle goes neither Mitchell or Hasty played many special teams snaps, so that doesnt seem to be it.
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I think it is fair to suggest Mostert's early exit impacted Shanahan's calculus relating to special teams usage.

 
DropKick said:
Are you a Packer fan with that handle?  Is their season over after one bad week?
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Johnny Utah #9 said:
Given that guy’s quick trigger finger with the hot takes, he probably thinks Rodgers is now completely washed after that performance. 
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Nah, tough road game, and unlike sermon, I know the packers are going to play again next week.  My user name as you suggested, means I was a big packer fan at the time, however now while they are still my favorite team I am more just a fan of football and care more about  my dfs/fantasy teams instead.  I still expect Rodgers and the packers to have a good season.   If they look like that against Detroit however..... 

Next year remind me and I'll make a post of players to avoid at their ADP, add mark andrews to my list. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Joe Williams from Utah. Shanny "pounded the table" for him. He never played in a single NFL game. 
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Didn't he hurt his ankle and end up on IR before the season. I don't think the IR rules had changed in 2017 either.

Not sure what happened to him in 2018.

 
Chaka said:
Didn't he hurt his ankle and end up on IR before the season. I don't think the IR rules had changed in 2017 either.

Not sure what happened to him in 2018.
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Yea he went to IR right before the season. If I remember correctly, he was playing way down the depth chart during preseason. And then SF cut him in August of 2018. Nobody else ever signed him.

 
Ilov80s said:
Yea he went to IR right before the season. If I remember correctly, he was playing way down the depth chart during preseason. And then SF cut him in August of 2018. Nobody else ever signed him.
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I have no idea how bad the injury was or how he was performing up to that point. Maybe it was minor and he sucked so they threw him on IR intending to cut him the following season when it would be less scrutinized.

If that was the case with Sermon wouldn't it be logical, at least plausible, to assume they would go the same route? IR then cut in 2022.

It could also be possible that Williams ankle was bad enough to not waste a roster spot and he simply didn't recover well enough make the team in 2018.

A year is an eternity in the lifespan of an NFL career. I think the average career is still hovering around high 3 or low 4 years.

 
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You know it's bad when you might get passed on the depth chart by a guy who is on his 3rd team (Johnson) and a guy who doesn't even have a thread on him here (Cannon).

Kyle Shanahan, like his dad, is fond of Shanahaningans. I don't know what type of camp Sermon had, but this seems like a similar situation that happened to Dante Pettis in that he didn't have a good camp, got in Shanny's doghouse because he wasn't a Shanahan-type player, and never got out. As for the fact Sermon was a relative high draft pick... Shanahan recycles RBs more than his dad; the pedigree doesn't matter that much to him and we've seen that. Sermon better get it together in practice before he ends up another victim of Shanahaningans.

 
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I bet Sermon ends up being the guy this week. Last week it was gonna be Mostert doing the running with  Mitchell and Hasty playing special teams. Sermon doesn't play special teams so no need to suit him up. Mostert is gone so time to bring back the guy they drafted for this inevitable situation. I have a feeling they wanted to bring Sermon along slowly but plans have changed. 

Maybe I'm just bitter that I just got outbid for Mitchell.

 
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Not buying any of the nonsense that he isn't a good RB. Watched him play throughout his collegiate career, including many games with the Sooners before he became a sensation late last year, and the kid can run the rock....bottom line.                                                   

Flexing Sermon in this week. Not with unbridled confidence, mind you, but wouldn't be surprised if he turns in a good performance. Hopefully, getting dressed down (literally) by Shanny last week, combined with the door-opening injury to Mostert, was just what the doctor ordered to have him firing on all cylinders.

 
Stat Correction said:
Not buying any of the nonsense that he isn't a good RB. Watched him play throughout his collegiate career, including many games with the Sooners before he became a sensation late last year, and the kid can run the rock....bottom line.  
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Anybody who is doubting Sermon's ability didn't watch him play in college...or didn't understand what they saw in college.

 
Gally said:
More goes into deactivation than just the ability to run the football.  Mostert was healthy and Hasty/Mitchell play special teams.  Part of "beating out" Sermon could be that they play special teams and have a role that Sermon does not.  I have seen situations before where the true back up RB is not active game day because he is redundant to the starter and doesn't do other things (special teams) so they aren't active on game days.  I could be wrong but I believe that to be the case here.  
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Ok now you're just doing it on purpose!

 
Part of me is terrified that he just runs Sermon 20+ times on Sunday and everyone who paid for Elijah is made a fool.  C'mon, there has to be SOMEONE in here who knows one of Shannys friends and can tell us? :P

 
Deamon said:
Part of me is terrified that he just runs Sermon 20+ times on Sunday and everyone who paid for Elijah is made a fool.  C'mon, there has to be SOMEONE in here who knows one of Shannys friends and can tell us? :P
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That is a real possibility.  If not this week, very soon.  The only league where Mitchell was on the waiver wire (I dropped him earlier in the off-season),  he went for $980 out of $1000.  That is a lot to pay for a RB in this much of a fluid situation, especially if you're already loaded at RB.

 
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Johnny Utah #9 said:
So Niners just signed Cannon, formerly of the Ravens. Rotoworld doing their typical wild editorial job and all but claiming it to be the final nail in Sermon’s coffin.

Any reason to be very concerned here? At face value it could just be depth move, but who knows with Darth Shanny.
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It’s a depth S/T move. Trenton Cannon is a terrible RB. Terrible. No instincts at all. 
I guess it could be bad news for Sermon in that Mitchell will be removed from special teams now but I doubt it means much.

 
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I have Sermon and managed to get Mitchell as the 5th on our waiver priority which was a bit shocking (3 of the 5 teams after me also put in claims so worked out really well for me). Thankfully it’s a 10 team league so I can sit a couple of weeks and see how things play out.

What sucks as a Sermon drafter is that you did so with the thought that Mostert would get hurt yet again and Sermon would suddenly become The Guy. The absolute best case scenario fantasy-wise happens in Mostert getting hurt Game 1 and being out for the season and it’s still clear as mud. If the Niners just rotate usage week to week like they did last year, that’s the absolute worst case scenario for everyone.

I like Sermon, but the absolute highest upside scenario one could have planned for while drafting happened (early season ending injury to Mostert) and Sermon’s value didn’t even really change. That’s disheartening.

 
Chaka said:
I have no idea how bad the injury was or how he was performing up to that point. Maybe it was minor and he sucked so they threw him on IR intending to cut him the following season when it would be less scrutinized.

If that was the case with Sermon wouldn't it be logical, at least plausible, to assume they would go the same route? IR then cut in 2022.

It could also be possible that Williams ankle was bad enough to not waste a roster spot and he simply didn't recover well enough make the team in 2018.

A year is an eternity in the lifespan of an NFL career. I think the average career is still hovering around high 3 or low 4 years.
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I’m not saying Sermon is as bad as Williams. Just saying because Shanahan and Lynch are really excited about a guy during the draft, doesn’t mean that player is locked into any role. They also said they had Aiyuk as the top WR in the draft over Lamb and Jerry. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
I have Sermon and managed to get Mitchell as the 5th on our waiver priority which was a bit shocking (3 of the 5 teams after me also put in claims so worked out really well for me). Thankfully it’s a 10 team league so I can sit a couple of weeks and see how things play out.

What sucks as a Sermon drafter is that you did so with the thought that Mostert would get hurt yet again and Sermon would suddenly become The Guy. The absolute best case scenario fantasy-wise happens in Mostert getting hurt Game 1 and being out for the season and it’s still clear as mud. If the Niners just rotate usage week to week like they did last year, that’s the absolute worst case scenario for everyone.

I like Sermon, but the absolute highest upside scenario one could have planned for while drafting happened (early season ending injury to Mostert) and Sermon’s value didn’t even really change. That’s disheartening.
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Things will brighten up when Mitchell inevitably gets hurt

...until the 49ers sign a backup kicker off a practice squad and convert him into their new RB1

-QG

 
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