Report: Matt Leinart in danger of losing job (1 Viewer)

[apalmer]

Listening to a beatwriter last night who basically said Warner is the Start for the forseeable future, Cards coaching staff is not as concerned as the public....more concerned about the OL's perfomance.

Just passing the info along.

Go on.

Any chance we can get Warner added to the Subscriber Contest roster? Or, would he be a waste of money?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Arizona Cardinals' Matt Leinart blowing his big chance

by Dan Bickley, columnist

The Arizona Republic

Matt Leinart is lost. Not coincidentally, so are the Cardinals.

The No. 7 on his jersey represents a number he never produces. He has thrown only one touchdown pass since October 2007, and that came in garbage time against New England, with the Cardinals trailing 47-0.

Evidence is piling up that he's not tough enough to handle the position at the NFL level, particularly between the ears. Teammates are losing faith in his ability to effectively replace Kurt Warner. And if things don't improve quickly, the No. 7 also will be the over/under for Cardinals victories in 2010.

"I'm a little disappointed in Matt Leinart because, if you think (about it), the club went out five years ago and made him a top-10 pick," said former Vikings wide receiver Cris Carter, now an ESPN analyst. "And when you do that, you're saying you have a franchise quarterback. And a franchise quarterback, there are a lot of things you look for."

Before the hammer strikes, understand that Carter's comments came at halftime of a lackluster preseason loss to the Titans on "Monday Night Football." Contextually, they are important because Carter is extremely close to Larry Fitzgerald, who shows no inclination of stepping back on the field until the passing game becomes a little less hazardous to his health.

When Fitzgerald was injured in the first preseason game, it was Carter who said the wide receiver was growing worried about more collisions in the near future. He suggested that Fitzgerald could be losing faith in Leinart's arm strength, believing that his quarterback ultimately will lead him into danger.

"One thing I want (to see) is his body posture, his body language, the vibe that he gives the team," Carter continued on the broadcast. "Does the team feel like they can win any football game? Because those are the franchise quarterbacks that we see around the league. When they step in the huddle, their teammates are encouraged. Their teammates play better because they're with a franchise quarterbacks. Matt Leinart doesn't look like that. Forget about him throwing the ball. I just don't like his overall body posture and the vibe he's going to give his teammates."

Carter's comments also resonate because they're 100 percent accurate.

Leinart's body language is terrible. He seems baffled, detached, easily stung by negative questions. During a sideline interview Monday night, he rambled on about the pressure generated by the Titans and how "they were just going to blitz the house every play."

Fine, the offensive line is struggling. But crafty quarterbacks turn blitzes into opportunities. They sting back.

That's not the case with the Cardinals, and the inference is clear: Leinart doesn't handle contact very well. He doesn't operate well in tight spaces. The pressure makes him quick to check down, throwing short passes that stress out an offense and lead to unproductive drives. He lacks the exterior fire and bounce that makes Max Hall a fan favorite. He doesn't exude leadership. He insists everything is fine and that the preseason doesn't matter, and yet it's as if his apprenticeship under Warner was a waste of time.

Leinart also is the type that needs coddling - something the coach won't tolerate.

In his defense, Leinart hasn't turned over the ball in the preseason and never has been a good practice player. But if Derek Anderson could locate his fastball, we'd be knee-deep in quarterback controversy.

Sure, it's only the preseason. Ken Whisenhunt is an engineer by nature and excellent in moments of crisis. He'll figure out something, even if it means a desperate phone call to Warner. Mine went unreturned.

But if Leinart hasn't grabbed this opportunity by now, when is it going to happen? Even worse, he's a still a marquee name, an athlete who once waded in the pool of celebrity gossip. His downfall attracts national interest.

Not surprisingly, Leinart's poor performance against the Titans was one of the lead stories on "SportsCenter," and if he doesn't get better, it's only getting worse. Soon people will be pairing Leinart and Reggie Bush as the most-disappointing teammate tandem in draft history.

Back in college, Leinart seemed unflappable, laconic yet defiant, capable of throwing a perfect pass on fourth down in the darkness at Notre Dame. Somewhere between that infamous Monday night against the Bears in 2006 to an ugly Monday night in Nashville, the magic has disappeared.

If there's anything left inside, Leinart better find it soon, before he wastes a golden opportunity.

 

[Banger]

Listening to a beatwriter last night who basically said Warner is the Start for the forseeable future, Cards coaching staff is not as concerned as the public....more concerned about the OL's perfomance.Just passing the info along.

of course they aren't going to say they are concerned, even if they are very concerned. It's a different situation than with Warner there since he was a safety net. Their best chance to succeed is if Leinart succeeds so they are going to do and say everything they can to pump him up. Leinarts just lucky that he has a horrible option behind him.

 

[kutta]

Arizona Cardinals' Matt Leinart blowing his big chance

by Dan Bickley, columnist

The Arizona Republic

Matt Leinart is lost. Not coincidentally, so are the Cardinals.

The No. 7 on his jersey represents a number he never produces. He has thrown only one touchdown pass since October 2007, and that came in garbage time against New England, with the Cardinals trailing 47-0.

Evidence is piling up that he's not tough enough to handle the position at the NFL level, particularly between the ears. Teammates are losing faith in his ability to effectively replace Kurt Warner. And if things don't improve quickly, the No. 7 also will be the over/under for Cardinals victories in 2010.

"I'm a little disappointed in Matt Leinart because, if you think (about it), the club went out five years ago and made him a top-10 pick," said former Vikings wide receiver Cris Carter, now an ESPN analyst. "And when you do that, you're saying you have a franchise quarterback. And a franchise quarterback, there are a lot of things you look for."

Before the hammer strikes, understand that Carter's comments came at halftime of a lackluster preseason loss to the Titans on "Monday Night Football." Contextually, they are important because Carter is extremely close to Larry Fitzgerald, who shows no inclination of stepping back on the field until the passing game becomes a little less hazardous to his health.

When Fitzgerald was injured in the first preseason game, it was Carter who said the wide receiver was growing worried about more collisions in the near future. He suggested that Fitzgerald could be losing faith in Leinart's arm strength, believing that his quarterback ultimately will lead him into danger.

"One thing I want (to see) is his body posture, his body language, the vibe that he gives the team," Carter continued on the broadcast. "Does the team feel like they can win any football game? Because those are the franchise quarterbacks that we see around the league. When they step in the huddle, their teammates are encouraged. Their teammates play better because they're with a franchise quarterbacks. Matt Leinart doesn't look like that. Forget about him throwing the ball. I just don't like his overall body posture and the vibe he's going to give his teammates."

Carter's comments also resonate because they're 100 percent accurate.

Leinart's body language is terrible. He seems baffled, detached, easily stung by negative questions. During a sideline interview Monday night, he rambled on about the pressure generated by the Titans and how "they were just going to blitz the house every play."

Fine, the offensive line is struggling. But crafty quarterbacks turn blitzes into opportunities. They sting back.

That's not the case with the Cardinals, and the inference is clear: Leinart doesn't handle contact very well. He doesn't operate well in tight spaces. The pressure makes him quick to check down, throwing short passes that stress out an offense and lead to unproductive drives. He lacks the exterior fire and bounce that makes Max Hall a fan favorite. He doesn't exude leadership. He insists everything is fine and that the preseason doesn't matter, and yet it's as if his apprenticeship under Warner was a waste of time.

Leinart also is the type that needs coddling - something the coach won't tolerate.

In his defense, Leinart hasn't turned over the ball in the preseason and never has been a good practice player. But if Derek Anderson could locate his fastball, we'd be knee-deep in quarterback controversy.

Sure, it's only the preseason. Ken Whisenhunt is an engineer by nature and excellent in moments of crisis. He'll figure out something, even if it means a desperate phone call to Warner. Mine went unreturned.

But if Leinart hasn't grabbed this opportunity by now, when is it going to happen? Even worse, he's a still a marquee name, an athlete who once waded in the pool of celebrity gossip. His downfall attracts national interest.

Not surprisingly, Leinart's poor performance against the Titans was one of the lead stories on "SportsCenter," and if he doesn't get better, it's only getting worse. Soon people will be pairing Leinart and Reggie Bush as the most-disappointing teammate tandem in draft history.

Back in college, Leinart seemed unflappable, laconic yet defiant, capable of throwing a perfect pass on fourth down in the darkness at Notre Dame. Somewhere between that infamous Monday night against the Bears in 2006 to an ugly Monday night in Nashville, the magic has disappeared.

If there's anything left inside, Leinart better find it soon, before he wastes a golden opportunity.

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

Last year during the preseason Kurt Warner was 24 of 46 for 320 yards (6.9 YPA), 0 TDs, 3 INTs, for a passer rating of 79.Matt Leinart was 39 of 66 for 510 yards (7.7 YPA), 3 TDs, 2 INTs, for a passer rating of 123.I'm not saying Leinart is better than Warner. I'm saying preseason stats don't mean anything for a QB.

 

[Tong Po]

Arizona Cardinals' Matt Leinart blowing his big chance

by Dan Bickley, columnist

The Arizona Republic

Matt Leinart is lost. Not coincidentally, so are the Cardinals.

The No. 7 on his jersey represents a number he never produces. He has thrown only one touchdown pass since October 2007, and that came in garbage time against New England, with the Cardinals trailing 47-0.

Evidence is piling up that he's not tough enough to handle the position at the NFL level, particularly between the ears. Teammates are losing faith in his ability to effectively replace Kurt Warner. And if things don't improve quickly, the No. 7 also will be the over/under for Cardinals victories in 2010.

"I'm a little disappointed in Matt Leinart because, if you think (about it), the club went out five years ago and made him a top-10 pick," said former Vikings wide receiver Cris Carter, now an ESPN analyst. "And when you do that, you're saying you have a franchise quarterback. And a franchise quarterback, there are a lot of things you look for."

Before the hammer strikes, understand that Carter's comments came at halftime of a lackluster preseason loss to the Titans on "Monday Night Football." Contextually, they are important because Carter is extremely close to Larry Fitzgerald, who shows no inclination of stepping back on the field until the passing game becomes a little less hazardous to his health.

When Fitzgerald was injured in the first preseason game, it was Carter who said the wide receiver was growing worried about more collisions in the near future. He suggested that Fitzgerald could be losing faith in Leinart's arm strength, believing that his quarterback ultimately will lead him into danger.

"One thing I want (to see) is his body posture, his body language, the vibe that he gives the team," Carter continued on the broadcast. "Does the team feel like they can win any football game? Because those are the franchise quarterbacks that we see around the league. When they step in the huddle, their teammates are encouraged. Their teammates play better because they're with a franchise quarterbacks. Matt Leinart doesn't look like that. Forget about him throwing the ball. I just don't like his overall body posture and the vibe he's going to give his teammates."

Carter's comments also resonate because they're 100 percent accurate.

Leinart's body language is terrible. He seems baffled, detached, easily stung by negative questions. During a sideline interview Monday night, he rambled on about the pressure generated by the Titans and how "they were just going to blitz the house every play."

Fine, the offensive line is struggling. But crafty quarterbacks turn blitzes into opportunities. They sting back.

That's not the case with the Cardinals, and the inference is clear: Leinart doesn't handle contact very well. He doesn't operate well in tight spaces. The pressure makes him quick to check down, throwing short passes that stress out an offense and lead to unproductive drives. He lacks the exterior fire and bounce that makes Max Hall a fan favorite. He doesn't exude leadership. He insists everything is fine and that the preseason doesn't matter, and yet it's as if his apprenticeship under Warner was a waste of time.

Leinart also is the type that needs coddling - something the coach won't tolerate.

In his defense, Leinart hasn't turned over the ball in the preseason and never has been a good practice player. But if Derek Anderson could locate his fastball, we'd be knee-deep in quarterback controversy.

Sure, it's only the preseason. Ken Whisenhunt is an engineer by nature and excellent in moments of crisis. He'll figure out something, even if it means a desperate phone call to Warner. Mine went unreturned.

But if Leinart hasn't grabbed this opportunity by now, when is it going to happen? Even worse, he's a still a marquee name, an athlete who once waded in the pool of celebrity gossip. His downfall attracts national interest.

Not surprisingly, Leinart's poor performance against the Titans was one of the lead stories on "SportsCenter," and if he doesn't get better, it's only getting worse. Soon people will be pairing Leinart and Reggie Bush as the most-disappointing teammate tandem in draft history.

Back in college, Leinart seemed unflappable, laconic yet defiant, capable of throwing a perfect pass on fourth down in the darkness at Notre Dame. Somewhere between that infamous Monday night against the Bears in 2006 to an ugly Monday night in Nashville, the magic has disappeared.

If there's anything left inside, Leinart better find it soon, before he wastes a golden opportunity.

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

Not to hijack the thread... but what about Reggie Bush has been disappointing? When it comes to accomplishments so far in the NFL... him and Leinart don't even belong in the same sentence.

 

[TWP]

I thought that too but didnt want to hijack. Bush has been a valuable contributor to a SB winner. Doesnt seem too similar to Matty Hot-tub.

 

[Card Trader]

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

Last year during the preseason Kurt Warner was 24 of 46 for 320 yards (6.9 YPA), 0 TDs, 3 INTs, for a passer rating of 79.Matt Leinart was 39 of 66 for 510 yards (7.7 YPA), 3 TDs, 2 INTs, for a passer rating of 123.I'm not saying Leinart is better than Warner. I'm saying preseason stats don't mean anything for a QB.

Stats dont matter, but performances do. Leinart needed to seize the leadership of this team and inspire confidence in his teammates, and he has done neither. Sometimes he looks like he'd rather not even be out there. This preseason was important because two years ago he lost the job in preseason, and everyone was looking to him to erase that memory. He hasn't. Its silly to expect him to just flip the switch when the regular season starts.

 

[Card Trader]

I thought that too but didnt want to hijack. Bush has been a valuable contributor to a SB winner. Doesnt seem too similar to Matty Hot-tub.

Dan Bickley is a hack and "shock" writer...always has been. He has no real connection to the Cardinals, but his radio partner WAS the Cardinal's "insider" for a few years before Whis got here. Bickley might be the worst writer to listen to. Urban is far better, has far more access and far more player interaction.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You can usually discount what happens in preseason to some extent...IF the player is a proven performer when the games count. Leinart is not one of those players. Although the situations are different, this reminds me of the '99 Broncos who were intent on sticking with Bubby Brister following John Elway's retirement. Brister proceded to play so horribly in the preseason that Brian Griese ended up being the week 1 starter. Not saying the exact same thing is gonna happen here, but the Cardinals have to be wondering if seeing what their other QBs can do might be better off in the short term and the long term. Leinart is clearly not the answer, and his crybaby whining the other night about how it is tough because the Titans blitz on every play said it all.

 

[Card Trader]

You can usually discount what happens in preseason to some extent...IF the player is a proven performer when the games count. Leinart is not one of those players. Although the situations are different, this reminds me of the '99 Broncos who were intent on sticking with Bubby Brister following John Elway's retirement. Brister proceded to play so horribly in the preseason that Brian Griese ended up being the week 1 starter. Not saying the exact same thing is gonna happen here, but the Cardinals have to be wondering if seeing what their other QBs can do might be better off in the short term and the long term. Leinart is clearly not the answer, and his crybaby whining the other night about how it is tough because the Titans blitz on every play said it all.

Except Leinart hasn't played "so horribly" this pre season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You can usually discount what happens in preseason to some extent...IF the player is a proven performer when the games count. Leinart is not one of those players. Although the situations are different, this reminds me of the '99 Broncos who were intent on sticking with Bubby Brister following John Elway's retirement. Brister proceded to play so horribly in the preseason that Brian Griese ended up being the week 1 starter. Not saying the exact same thing is gonna happen here, but the Cardinals have to be wondering if seeing what their other QBs can do might be better off in the short term and the long term. Leinart is clearly not the answer, and his crybaby whining the other night about how it is tough because the Titans blitz on every play said it all.

Except Leinart hasn't played "so horribly" this pre season.

That is why I said the situations were different, and why I said it reminded me, not that it was the exact same thing happening. But Leinart has not played well. Are you confident in a QB who sounded the way he did the other night? You can't play the QB position well w/o confidence, and Leinart sounded like he had very little.

 

[Abraham]

You can usually discount what happens in preseason to some extent...IF the player is a proven performer when the games count. Leinart is not one of those players. Although the situations are different, this reminds me of the '99 Broncos who were intent on sticking with Bubby Brister following John Elway's retirement. Brister proceded to play so horribly in the preseason that Brian Griese ended up being the week 1 starter. Not saying the exact same thing is gonna happen here, but the Cardinals have to be wondering if seeing what their other QBs can do might be better off in the short term and the long term. Leinart is clearly not the answer, and his crybaby whining the other night about how it is tough because the Titans blitz on every play said it all.

Except Leinart hasn't played "so horribly" this pre season.

I know you have been defending Leinart in this thread, so I'm curious what your expectations are of him and the Cards this season?

 

[LittlePhatty]

by Dan Bickley, columnist

The Arizona Republic

Matt Leinart is lost. Not coincidentally, so are the Cardinals.

The No. 7 on his jersey represents a number he never produces. He has thrown only one touchdown pass since October 2007

Does Dan Bickley know that TDs are worth 6? I've never seen any quarterback throw a 7 point TD.

 

[Ghost Rider]

by Dan Bickley, columnist

The Arizona Republic

Matt Leinart is lost. Not coincidentally, so are the Cardinals.

The No. 7 on his jersey represents a number he never produces. He has thrown only one touchdown pass since October 2007

Does Dan Bickley know that TDs are worth 6? I've never seen any quarterback throw a 7 point TD.

Haha, I thought the same thing, too, but the end result is usually 7, barring a rare missed XP or a 2-point try.

 

[Card Trader]

You can usually discount what happens in preseason to some extent...IF the player is a proven performer when the games count. Leinart is not one of those players. Although the situations are different, this reminds me of the '99 Broncos who were intent on sticking with Bubby Brister following John Elway's retirement. Brister proceded to play so horribly in the preseason that Brian Griese ended up being the week 1 starter. Not saying the exact same thing is gonna happen here, but the Cardinals have to be wondering if seeing what their other QBs can do might be better off in the short term and the long term. Leinart is clearly not the answer, and his crybaby whining the other night about how it is tough because the Titans blitz on every play said it all.

Except Leinart hasn't played "so horribly" this pre season.

I know you have been defending Leinart in this thread, so I'm curious what your expectations are of him and the Cards this season?

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

 

[billyjohnson]

Tremblay....as you continue with this "preseason stats don't matter" ideology...why not go on record what you think of Leinart? Are you saying that HIS preseason struggles do not matter and he wiill be a regular season success? Or that even though the preseason does not matter.....Leinart will still stink in the reg season?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

 

[Card Trader]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

 

[JohnnyU]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I bet my prediction he is pulled before week 8 is a lot closer to reality than your prediction. No way in hell he throws for 24 tds, let alone throw only 16 ints. I'm pretty sure the will throw more picks than tds.

 

[Card Trader]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I bet my prediction he is pulled before week 8 is a lot closer to reality than your prediction. No way in hell he throws for 24 tds, let alone throw only 16 ints. I'm pretty sure the will throw more picks than tds.

K. At least you came out with a prediction instead of just making lame jokes or pot shots.

 

[identikit]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.

Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK LHUCKS.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I'll say 11 TDs/17 INTs. He won't last the season as the starter.

 

[Card Trader]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I'll say 11 TDs/17 INTs. He won't last the season as the starter.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Tremblay....as you continue with this "preseason stats don't matter" ideology...why not go on record what you think of Leinart? Are you saying that HIS preseason struggles do not matter and he wiill be a regular season success? Or that even though the preseason does not matter.....Leinart will still stink in the reg season?

Leinart is my 25th-ranked fantasy QB. This could be a thread about any QB. I'm saying that no QB's preseason success or preseason struggles mean anything.I think most people judge preseason performance rather selectively. If you think a QB will be great, you take his preseason success as confirmation — or you ignore his preseason struggles. If you think a QB will be terrible, you take his preseason struggles as confirmation — or you ignore his preseason success. I'm saying that it should all be ignored.

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Just spent 30 minutes trying to explain to my dad why Leinart might not even be the Cardinals starting QB by the end of the season. "He'll be fine! He was good at USC!"

 

[Texasmouth]

Preseason stats dont mean a thing.

Watching a guy look like its his rookie season in the NFL during preseason does. He looked lost. He looked rattled. He looked like a rookie playing in a game that was way too big for him. He has been in the NFL too long for that, especially when the starting job was just handed to him. Reminds me of a kid begging his dad to drive his corvette and when he finally lets him, he wrecks it because he had no business driving it in the first place.

Sorry, dude looked like he had never been on the field in the NFL before. How did Aaron Rodgers look in preseason his 4th year in the NFL?

Point is, you can tell if a guy "gets it" or not in preseason. Stafford didnt have great numbers. Ryan didnt have great numbers. Flacco didnt have great numbers but those guys all "get it" and it was easy to see when they stepped on the field in preseason.

Lienart does not get it.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Vick to Cards?

Appropriate user name.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I'll say 11 TDs/17 INTs. He won't last the season as the starter.

I think 11/17 is being far too optimistic based on the career track we've seen out of Leinart.1100 yards, 3 TDs, 9 INTs, then punted to the sidelines.

 

[Adebisi]

Cardinals 9-7/10-6....Leinart will probably finish with 24tds/16ints, and around 3,600 yards.Those are my expectations.

Good luck with that. I mean, really...good LUCK.

Let's see your prediction, we'll compare who's closer at the end of the year.

I'll say 11 TDs/17 INTs. He won't last the season as the starter.

 

[LHUCKS]

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

 

[kutta]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

Last year during the preseason Kurt Warner was 24 of 46 for 320 yards (6.9 YPA), 0 TDs, 3 INTs, for a passer rating of 79.Matt Leinart was 39 of 66 for 510 yards (7.7 YPA), 3 TDs, 2 INTs, for a passer rating of 123.I'm not saying Leinart is better than Warner. I'm saying preseason stats don't mean anything for a QB.

I agree with you then.I never said stats mean anything in preseason.

 

[Gopher State]

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

the above maybe true, but Mr. Leinart is no Aaron Rodgers or even close in any shape, form or way. Now, if you want to use the Ryan Leaf example?

 

[kutta]

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

 

[VaTerp]

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.

the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

the above maybe true, but Mr. Leinart is no Aaron Rodgers or even close in any shape, form or way. Now, if you want to use the Ryan Leaf example?

I don't think the above is true. I remember Rogers lighting it up last pre-season and the stats show that he threw 6 TDs 0 Ints, completed 70% of his passes and had an off the chart rating of 147.9.Without bothering to look Im gonna say Leinart's numbers don't look anything similar. Of course it's only pre-season but I don't think the argument above goes very far.

 

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Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

 

[kutta]

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

Because he had one good drive that entire game and didn't throw a TD pass. He led the Cards on one drive in the first half that resulted in a FG, and one drive in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD. Thats it. The other six drives ended in punts. And Fitz was 4-34-0 in that game. If that's the best you got, we're in trouble.

 

[JohnnyU]

Max Hall-QB-Cardinals Aug. 25 - 7:38 pm et

Undrafted rookie QB Max Hall got some reps with the second-team offense at Cardinals practice Wednesday.

It was probably a reward for Hall's impressive preseason debut Monday night; the former BYU Cougar was the sharpest of Arizona's quarterbacks against Tennessee. Hall's numbers (7-15, 101 yards, 1:1 TDs to INTs) don't tell the whole story. He looked to be in command of the offense, flashed better arm strength than we anticipated, and released the football extremely quickly. Hall is a player to keep close tabs on in Dynasty circles.

Source: Arizona Republic

 

[Bri]

Preseason stats dont mean a thing.Watching a guy look like its his rookie season in the NFL during preseason does. He looked lost. He looked rattled. He looked like a rookie playing in a game that was way too big for him. He has been in the NFL too long for that, especially when the starting job was just handed to him. Reminds me of a kid begging his dad to drive his corvette and when he finally lets him, he wrecks it because he had no business driving it in the first place. Sorry, dude looked like he had never been on the field in the NFL before. How did Aaron Rodgers look in preseason his 4th year in the NFL?Point is, you can tell if a guy "gets it" or not in preseason. Stafford didnt have great numbers. Ryan didnt have great numbers. Flacco didnt have great numbers but those guys all "get it" and it was easy to see when they stepped on the field in preseason. Lienart does not get it.

Well you like to see a QB lead a team on a productive drive in each game, in the least. I think if there's a QB stat to take from preseason, maybe look at drive charts

 

[Bri]

I'm told Verner intercepted Leinart 3 times today and a quote at Titansonline has Fisher all but confirming it

 

[Bri]

Anderson is absolutely horrific. The Cards now know it.And while Leinart may suck, he still isnt as bad as Anderson.

This quote is Whisenhunt about Anderson following the game yesterday. He is finishing up making a point about an incompletion Derrick threw:That’s the thing he is getting better at, part of that is footwork, part of that is getting reps or that’s getting playtime. That is why he played a little more tonight and why we said we wanted him to play with the second team. My expectations, are when we have something like that come up the next time, we can be successful. I like the fact the scheme of the play worked. We were open, disciplined, and we were able to get a touchdown.He is learning how to play in this league. He is by no means a finished product and I think tonight was fantastic from the standpoint; he got a number of reps. That’s what he needed; he needs that experience. That’s why we put him in there to see how he would handle it. He wasn’t perfect but he did make a couple of plays. So, I am excited about his progress. We also understand; he has got a ways to go before he is ready to play.

 

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There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

Because he had one good drive that entire game and didn't throw a TD pass. He led the Cards on one drive in the first half that resulted in a FG, and one drive in the 2nd half that resulted in a TD. Thats it. The other six drives ended in punts. And Fitz was 4-34-0 in that game. If that's the best you got, we're in trouble.

Jesus, Kutta... put the gloves back on

 

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I'm told Verner intercepted Leinart 3 times today and a quote at Titansonline has Fisher all but confirming it

He's just getting warmed up. Another 5 years and those'll be touchdowns

 

[Card Trader]

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

If he doesn't get injured? Yes. Do it.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

There are plenty of reasons to think that Matt Leinart will be terrible this season. His preseason performance isn't one of them, IMO.

Case in point, does anybody recall Aaron Rodgers' HOF game last year...stunk up the joint in that game...then he blew it up in regular season and now many of you have him ranked as your #1 QB this year.the best case study for Leinart is when he started last year and went 21-31...everybody wants to forget that.

the above maybe true, but Mr. Leinart is no Aaron Rodgers or even close in any shape, form or way. Now, if you want to use the Ryan Leaf example?

Leaf is a good example of what I'm talking about as well. Ryan Leaf clearly outplayed Peyton Manning during the preseason of their rookie years. The regular season? Not so much.

 

[ceo3west]

The shark move? Avoid all Cardinals this year, much safer alternatives at each position out there. This whole situation is too volatile.

 

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Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

If he doesn't get injured? Yes. Do it.

Injury is defined as a catastrophic injury resulting in his removal from a game and missing more than 2+ games? This shouldn't protect you from the "shoulder soreness" or "dead arm" that will be the excuse for him getting passed in the depth charts.

 

[Card Trader]

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

If he doesn't get injured? Yes. Do it.

Injury is defined as a catastrophic injury resulting in his removal from a game and missing more than 2+ games? This shouldn't protect you from the "shoulder soreness" or "dead arm" that will be the excuse for him getting passed in the depth charts.

Yes, if he misses 2+ games due to injury. I will put $1000 he throws for more than 3k if he doesn't.

 

[TWP]

Dan Bickley is one of the most well-respected Cardinals "insiders." I agree with him 100% here.

EDIT: Oh wait, after looking at your other posts I'm thinking you may have been serious about Bick. Tell me you aren't....

Well we have different opinions. No biggie.Tell you what. I'll bet you $1000 that Leinart does not throw for 3000 yards this year. Are you in?

If he doesn't get injured? Yes. Do it.

Injury is defined as a catastrophic injury resulting in his removal from a game and missing more than 2+ games? This shouldn't protect you from the "shoulder soreness" or "dead arm" that will be the excuse for him getting passed in the depth charts.

Not to butt in, but since it's for a grand, you guys probably want to be specifically make it clear that the bet is that he will throw for LESS than 3000 yards, because as it's written it says "will not throw for 3000 yards" which I would be willing to give you 100:1 odds on...