Romo's rib injury vs. Vick's (1 Viewer)

[Canowupass]

From Joe Bryant's Random Shots:

"I wrote last week about the poll featuring the most disliked players in the game. Great example of how that plays out in practical examples this week. Eagles QB Michael Vick played most of the game Sunday with two broken ribs he didn't tell the team about. And you barely heard mention of it.

Tony Romo played with broken ribs and it was the most courageous athletic feat in recorded history.

Save the mail as I like both those guys. And I know the Cowboys won their game while Philadelphia lost theirs. This isn't a race thing. It's a dislike thing. It's just interesting to me how that works."

There's no inconsistency here. Those of us who dislike Vick are consistent in our lack of praise for a man who tortured and murdered dogs for his own entertainment. So no, of course it's not a race thing. It's a "One of these guys tortured and killed dogs and the other didn't" thing. Simple as that. Nothing to puzzle over here.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I forgive people and move on if that persona actually feels remorse for what they've done. Vick paid his price and he seems somewhat humbled by the whole incident so I do forgive him. There's a great quote from Buhhda, "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned." It's easier said than done but doesn't it make perfect sense?

 

[two_dollars]

Is Vick's lung punctured too?

Lots of QBs have played with cracked ribs..

just sayin'

 

[Mello]

The main reasons there's any difference:

1. Romo was the biggest story the previous week for melting down vs. the Jets.

2. Romo led the team to a comeback OT victory.

3. Romo had a punctured lung too.

4. Romo plays for the Dallas Cowboys.

5. Romo hasn't killed any dogs that we are aware of. Though he's probably led a few Cowboys fans into kicking theirs.

 

[Alkahsu]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Also: Romo acknowledged that he was hurt, got treatment for it, then returned to the game.

Vick told no one that he was hurt and got no treatment during the game.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him? I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

 

[bweiser]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I argued with Joe over this but he disagreed with my take.

And I do think that factors heavily into how the media coves and spins things. It's not unlike the way a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens could do something and it's a huge deal where another player could do the exact same thing and it not be mentioned. And to be clear, I'm fine with that. I just find it interesting.J

It's clear we'll have to agree to disagree. Because I do not think they did the exact same thing. Romo won. Vick lost. Vick completed 47% of his passes. He threw for 0 touchdowns. He threw 2 interceptions. He threw 128 yards on 34 attempts. He had a 3.8 ypa. He rushed for 79 yards. He had a qb rating of 32.5. He lost. He had broken ribs.Romo completed 60% of his passes. He threw for 2 touchdowns. He threw 0 interceptions. He threw 345 yards on 33 attempts. He had a 10.5 ypa. He rushed for 0 yards. He had a qb rating of 116.4. He won. He had broken ribs.They both had broken ribs. So I suppose if you take the most extreme of views you could say they did the exact same thing. But to anyone able to step back and actually look at the performances of that game there is no possible or reasonable way you can say they did "the exact same thing". They both broke ribs. If you want to go down that road then I suppose you should compare Colt McCoy with Tom Brady. They both did exactly the same thing when they threw the football to players on their own team!

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

 

[bweiser]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

I love dogs as much as you do, maybe more. But you cannot compare Vick to Sandusky at any level. Vick can be cured and if he says he will never abuse dogs again, I will believe him. Where as Sandusky cannot be cured, even if he serves two life times in jail, comes out and says he's a changed man, I wouldn't believe him. No matter what treatments you get, pedophilia cannot be cured. Do you see the difference?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

 

[thehornet]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

No, you're not getting it.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

No, you're not getting it.

I think I'm getting it just fine. There's apparently some people out there that are cool with torturing and killing dogs, as long as you spend a couple years in jail to "pay your price to society." Got it.

 

[Novice2]

The Eagles lost. No one cheers losers.

 

[GoBirds]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

No, you're not getting it.

I think I'm getting it just fine. There's apparently some people out there that are cool with torturing and killing dogs, as long as you spend a couple years in jail to "pay your price to society." Got it.

If you feel so strongly about what Vick did that you see it on the same level of the creep at Penn State then what are you doing hunting and fishing? There is plenty of meat/fish already killed at the grocery store, no need for you to unnecessarily kill more animals. If dogs are on the same level as damaging children for life, deer and fish should be too.

 

[Manster]

From Joe Bryant's Random Shots:

"I wrote last week about the poll featuring the most disliked players in the game. Great example of how that plays out in practical examples this week. Eagles QB Michael Vick played most of the game Sunday with two broken ribs he didn't tell the team about. And you barely heard mention of it.

Tony Romo played with broken ribs and it was the most courageous athletic feat in recorded history.

Save the mail as I like both those guys. And I know the Cowboys won their game while Philadelphia lost theirs. This isn't a race thing. It's a dislike thing. It's just interesting to me how that works."

There's no inconsistency here. Those of us who dislike Vick are consistent in our lack of praise for a man who tortured and murdered dogs for his own entertainment. So no, of course it's not a race thing. It's a "One of these guys tortured and killed dogs and the other didn't" thing. Simple as that. Nothing to puzzle over here.

bad comparison. Romo was the hero in his game. Romo came out of the game and we thought he was done. He came back in to lead his team to a dramatic victory. Vick played like crap and his team lost. Thats it.

 

[IVNACATES]

I forgive people and move on if that persona actually feels remorse for what they've done. Vick paid his price and he seems somewhat humbled by the whole incident so I do forgive him. There's a great quote from Buhhda, "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned." It's easier said than done but doesn't it make perfect sense?

but then from Largemouth. . .I love dogs as much as you do, maybe more. But you cannot compare Vick to Sandusky at any level. Vick can be cured and if he says he will never abuse dogs again, I will believe him. Where as Sandusky cannot be cured, even if he serves two life times in jail, comes out and says he's a changed man, I wouldn't believe him. No matter what treatments you get, pedophilia cannot be cured. Do you see the difference?So, according to your first statement, if Sandusky feels remorse, you forgive him? You quote Buhhda about being burned by holding onto anger, yet you won't believe Sandusky can chang? I know nothing of the mental aspects of a pedophile, or any studies that concur or disagree with a one being cured, though I'm sure there are some on both sides. I wonder what makes you think you know what is in Vicks heart. There are other people who say he's sorry only for getting caught.For the record, I have two young children and no dogs, and both situations make me sick! It's not for me to know what is in someone's heart as I can only ever guess, and forgiveness doesn't come through me anyway. I just wanted to make a point that when you make strong, matter of fact statements, try not to contradict yourself! A man who has his legs on both sides of the fence can often find himself in a painful position.

 

[jojoh07]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

No, you're not getting it.

I think I'm getting it just fine. There's apparently some people out there that are cool with torturing and killing dogs, as long as you spend a couple years in jail to "pay your price to society." Got it.

god , get lost , every thread an idiot like u ruins with his almighty bs

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I forgive people and move on if that persona actually feels remorse for what they've done. Vick paid his price and he seems somewhat humbled by the whole incident so I do forgive him. There's a great quote from Buhhda, "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned." It's easier said than done but doesn't it make perfect sense?

but then from Largemouth. . .I love dogs as much as you do, maybe more. But you cannot compare Vick to Sandusky at any level. Vick can be cured and if he says he will never abuse dogs again, I will believe him. Where as Sandusky cannot be cured, even if he serves two life times in jail, comes out and says he's a changed man, I wouldn't believe him. No matter what treatments you get, pedophilia cannot be cured. Do you see the difference?So, according to your first statement, if Sandusky feels remorse, you forgive him? You quote Buhhda about being burned by holding onto anger, yet you won't believe Sandusky can chang? I know nothing of the mental aspects of a pedophile, or any studies that concur or disagree with a one being cured, though I'm sure there are some on both sides. I wonder what makes you think you know what is in Vicks heart. There are other people who say he's sorry only for getting caught.For the record, I have two young children and no dogs, and both situations make me sick! It's not for me to know what is in someone's heart as I can only ever guess, and forgiveness doesn't come through me anyway. I just wanted to make a point that when you make strong, matter of fact statements, try not to contradict yourself! A man who has his legs on both sides of the fence can often find himself in a painful position.

Who said anything about holding anger towards Sandusky after he pays for his crime? I just know pedophilia is incurable.

 

[gandalas]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

What about if he had done that to a person? Or a Child? Could you forgive him then?This is more that some people view dogs as members of their families and could never forgive or forget what he did. Then there are others who simply view them as "animals". Sorry, but he will never be A-OK in my books.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vick did some bad things, but he paid his debt to society for that, if you can't forgive the man then you have your own issues to work out.

So if Jerry Sandusky gets out of jail in a decade, and I don't forgive him, do I have issues?

Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs for his own amusement. So now that he's been to jail for a couple years and seems somewhat remorseful, that means everyone needs to forgive him?

I think any "normal" person that witnessed the torture and killings that occurred at the Vick estate would have serious reservations about not only forgiving him, but the kind of person he actually is.

comparing sandusky to vick is moronic. sandusky is the lowest form of scum in the world. on a scale of 1-10, he's a 10 and vick is about a 2. get real people: we're talking children vs. dogs here. dogs. yeah, dogs.

As a father of two sons, and an owner of two dogs, I have no reservations about calling you an idiot.

so you're saying, gun to your head, you'd have a difficult time deciding whether to let your dogs fight or your sons get sexually abused?

You're not getting it. Both are evil acts upon a child or a defenseless dog. Yes, pedophilia is worse, and what Sandusky did scares the #### out of me as a father. However, my dogs loyalty knows no bounds. Those dogs that Vick tortured and killed could have been just as loyal as my dog. My understanding of the events that took place at the Vick estate went far beyond "letting my dogs fight". They torture thlose dogs to make them as mean as possible for the fights. Then they kill them, often in gruesome fashion, if they aren't winners.

I, about as far removed from backing PETA as possible. I hunt and fish, and enjoy both thoroughly. However, in my mind there is a huge difference between killing an animal as quickly as humanely possible for food, and what bad newz kennels was doing.

No, you're not getting it.

I think I'm getting it just fine. There's apparently some people out there that are cool with torturing and killing dogs, as long as you spend a couple years in jail to "pay your price to society." Got it.

god , get lost , every thread an idiot like u ruins with his almighty bs

My apologies for helping steer this thread on a tangent. Pretty confident that this is the first time I've helped steer a thread off base. Mental note to self: Don't mix painkillers and cocktails then post on message boards.Back on topic:

It seems that Vick didn't actually break his ribs until late in the 3rd quarter. (according to the local media). Andy Reid said it happened on the 2nd play, and tried to use it as an excuse for Vick's awful play throughout the game. So the difference to me is the Eagles/Vick used it as a crutch to explain a bad performance, while Romo just came back in and got the job done.