Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

[Godsbrother]

I haven't been following this thread at all, but I was struck while reading about this guy that I think it's pretty ridiculous that a certain segment of the population is using this incident to push for the right to own assault rifles while simultaneously fighting against a world in which this guy would have had health care.

Just what kind of world do you people want to live in?

As long as they have health insurance they don't care if this guy is ruined financially.

 

[NCCommish]

I haven't been following this thread at all, but I was struck while reading about this guy that I think it's pretty ridiculous that a certain segment of the population is using this incident to push for the right to own assault rifles while simultaneously fighting against a world in which this guy would have had health care.

Just what kind of world do you people want to live in?

Apparently some want a world where I have to give photo ID and sign a registry to buy one box of sinus medicine but I can buy thousands of rounds of ammo without showing anything to anyone.

 

[Godsbrother]

Thought this was a great story. Some might think its an amazing coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences.

A Miracle Inside the Aurora Shooting: One Victim's Story

At Columbine, I have seen this before. But not up close. As a church pastor in Denver, I have worked as a chaplain with several police and fire departments. I was privileged to counsel parents just hours after the Littleton Columbine shootings. However, in this new tragedy at the Aurora Theater Dark Night shooting, one of the victims was a 22 year old woman from my church, Petra Anderson (pronounced Pay-tra). Petra went to the movies with two young friends who are biking across America. You and I have been inundated with news about what happened next. A joyful movie turned into bloody, unbelievable chaos. Petra was hit four times with a shot-gun blast, three shots into her arm and one bullet which entered her brain. This a bit of Petra's miracle story.

With awesome people from our caring and pastoral team, I spent all day Friday in the ICU with Petra and her family. Her injuries were severe, and her condition was critical. A bullet had entered Petra's face through her nose, and then traveled up through her brain until stopping at the back of her skull. The doctors prior to surgery were concerned, because so much of the brain had been traversed by the bullet. Many areas of brain function were involved. They were hoping to keep her alive long enough to get her into surgery. The prognosis was uncertain—if she lived, Petra might struggle with speech, movement, and thinking due to considerable brain damage. With Kim, Petra's mother (who is in the final stages of terminal cancer), we simply cried, hugged, and prayed.

It is pressed into my memory now. Motion and emotion…

Other families come and go into the ICU waiting room. Some sit with us, and we talk. Others are visited by doctors with "Family Advocates" in tow. The families listen, sob, and then are moved like stunned cattle to a more private space to grieve. We pray. Petra is finally taken into surgery, using two different surgical teams. One team of neurosurgeons will open up the back of her skull to remove the bullet and clean up brain damage as best they can. Another ENT-specialty surgical team will then work through Petra's nose by scope to follow the bullet's path up into her brain. Their hope is to remove bone fragments, clean up damaged brain tissue, and reseal her brain to reduce infection.

If you have lived any of your days in a hospital waiting room, you know how long the enduring process is. It has a woeful pattern to it. Sit. Walk. Grab a drink. Sit. Walk. Answer a phone call. Sit. Walk. Hug someone. Sit. Talk to the FBI. Sit. Pick at the food. Sit. Walk. Go down the hall, but not too far because you're afraid to miss something. Back. Hug. Pray. Sit. Sit. A picture of a five year old waiting for next Christmas from January 1st comes to my mind. FOREVER. Only this feels worse: a heavy forever, with no promise of presents, Santa, or good news at the end.

After the waiting drags for over five hours, tired doctors and nurses spill back into the room, one or two at a time. I look for "Family Advocates" but can find none. I exhale. The doctors update us: "It went well, and she's recovering now. We found very little damage to the brain, and got the bullet out cleanly. It went better than we hoped for." Each brings a warrior's smile, and a bit of information—information that we turn into hope as we regurgitate it over the next hours. Still, the medical team remains professional and reserved, "Something might still go wrong. We just need to wait and see if she makes it for the next 48 hours."

Tears and thank you's abound. We are so thankful for these men and women. We hug. Everyone hugs. Then, round two. Sit. Wait. Pray. Fully dressed people cuddle into small snails and try to sleep on the floor. Some are shuttled to a room donated by the Holiday Inn across the street. Thank you, Lord, for every little thing. We sit. We pray. "We'll understand better tomorrow."

Petra is moved back to ICU. She looks, surprisingly, wonderful. With a small hole in her nose, and her arm wrapped, she almost looks uninjured. She is medicated and sleeping when I come to visit her on Saturday. I sit, talk, and pray quietly with Kim amid the darkened room, lit by glowing medical screens and power switches. Nurses, like quiet soldiers posted on guard, come in, march attentively through the machines, and go out. These men and women really care. Finally, one of the surgeons comes in to check on Petra. He has had some sleep, and looks more like a movie star this time. As Petra sleeps, he retells the story of the surgery, and we ask questions. The doctor reads the perfect script, as if he is on Hallmark Hall of Fame. He fills us in on the miracle. Honestly, he doesn't call it that, he just uses words like "happily" and "wonderfully" and "in a very fortunate way" and "luckily" and "we were really surprised by that." Kim and I know a miracle when we see it.

It seems as if the bullet traveled through Petra's brain without hitting any significant brain areas. The doctor explains that Petra's brain has had from birth a small "defect" in it. It is a tiny channel of fluid running through her skull, like a tiny vein through marble, or a small hole in an oak board, winding from front to rear. Only a CAT scan would catch it, and Petra would have never noticed it.

But in Petra's case, the shotgun buck shot, maybe even the size used for deer hunting, enters her brain from the exact point of this defect. Like a marble through a small tube, the defect channels the bullet from Petra's nose through her brain. It turns slightly several times, and comes to rest at the rear of her brain. And in the process, the bullet misses all the vital areas of the brain. In many ways, it almost misses the brain itself. Like a giant BB though a straw created in Petra's brain before she was born, it follows the route of the defect. It is channeled in the least harmful way. A millimeter in any direction and the channel is missed. The brain is destroyed. Evil wins a round.

As he shares, the doctor seems taken aback. It is an odd thing to have a surgeon show a bit of wonder. Professionally, these guys own the universe, it seems, and take everything in stride. He is obviously gifted as a surgeon, and is kind in his manner. "It couldn't have gone better. If it were my daughter," he says quietly, glancing around to see if any of his colleagues might be watching him, "I'd be ecstatic. I'd be dancing a jig." He smiles. I can't keep my smile back, or the tears of joy. In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future. It's just like the God I follow to plan the route of a bullet through a brain long before Batman ever rises. Twenty-two years before.

While we're talking, Petra awakes. She opens her eyes, and sits up, "Mom." Movie-star doctor spins to grab her, to protect her from falling. The nurse assures him she's been doing this for a while. He talks to her, and she talks back. He asks questions, and Petra has the right answers. "Where do you hurt, Petra?" "All over." Amazed, but professional, he smiles and leaves the set shaking his head. I am so thankful for this man.

Petra is groggy and beat up, but she is herself. Honestly, I look worse before my morning coffee. "I'm thirsty," she proclaims.

"You want an ice cube, honey?" Kim replies.

"Please." Wow. She lays down, back to sleep, a living miracle who doesn't even know it yet. Good flowering out of the refuse pile of a truly dark night. "Thank you, Jesus," I whisper.

Petra, you are amazing. Kim, you, too, are amazing. I am so proud of you both. But God, you are in a league of your own. (Duh.)

There is much ahead. More surgerys. Facial reconstruction, perhaps. And for Kim, chemo therapy to stretch every moment out of life. But life remains.The ending is yet to be written for this family

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wow thats wild.

Now that's a miracle.

Glad the person is alive, and may well be alive because of the defect. But the story (especially the bolded) wreaks of hyperbole. Sorry.

It's nice to know God planned this massacre back when she was born instead of coming up with it on the spot.

It would have been even nicer if God never created the POS that went on the shooting spree in the first place.

 

[Zow]

A public execution? So he can be famously vilified and other crazies seeking attention see a clear way to get it? That's a horrible idea.

This guy needs to go the way of dahmer. Get studied and then be a page 7 afterthought when he is killed in prison.

I just told my wife last night that this guy will have to be kept in solitary confinement for as long as he lives otherwise he will get "Dahmered" .

In more ways than one. Zing!

 

[ATC1]

It's nice to know God planned this massacre back when she was born instead of coming up with it on the spot.

It would have been even nicer if God never created the POS that went on the shooting spree in the first place.

Mr. Zimmerman would say it was all a part of God's plan.

 

[squistion]

Gotta wonder how many people who favor strict adherence to Constitutional principles and the sanctity of that document with respect to other issues- like say gun control- are advocating that we pretty much tear the document in half and throw it in the trash when it comes time to sentence this guy.

Second Amendment: Read it!

Eighth Amendment: Take a dump on it!

Not sure if this was directed at me but my only issue with the 2nd amendment is jump to heavy arsenal and automatic type weapons. I know this guy is nuts and I really don't have issue with owning a handgun / hunting rifles. As far as the 8th - I have no problem with "trashing" it. To me there is nothing cruel or unusual when it comes to this type of crime. I don't venture into these types of threads often so forgive my phone typing points if they stink

Um, you should actually read the 8th Amendment before you venture an uninformed opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Cruel and unusual is referring to the punishment given, not the crime itself. For example, torturing someone for jaywalking would be a cruel and unusual punishment even though jaywalking is not considered a cruel or unusual crime.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I agree with woz.

 

[belljr]

Gotta wonder how many people who favor strict adherence to Constitutional principles and the sanctity of that document with respect to other issues- like say gun control- are advocating that we pretty much tear the document in half and throw it in the trash when it comes time to sentence this guy.

Second Amendment: Read it!

Eighth Amendment: Take a dump on it!

Not sure if this was directed at me but my only issue with the 2nd amendment is jump to heavy arsenal and automatic type weapons. I know this guy is nuts and I really don't have issue with owning a handgun / hunting rifles. As far as the 8th - I have no problem with "trashing" it. To me there is nothing cruel or unusual when it comes to this type of crime. I don't venture into these types of threads often so forgive my phone typing points if they stink

Um, you should actually read the 8th Amendment before you venture an uninformed opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Cruel and unusual is referring to the punishment given, not the crime itself. For example, Torturing someone for jaywalking would be a cruel and unusual punishment even though jaywalking is not considered a cruel or unusual crime.

Um yeah, not sure where I was uninformed, my point was any punishment given to this guy can not be considered cruel or unusual based on the crime he committed.

 

[Zow]

Frankly, I'd prefer the latter choice there so maybe we can analyze this guy for his motivation and possible mental defects to see if there is anything which can proactively prevent others with similar crazy mindsets from doing it in the future.

It's hard to sound like an Internet Tough Guy with this approach, though.

I lost my internet mancard years ago so I'm not too worried.

 

[Fennis]

Gotta wonder how many people who favor strict adherence to Constitutional principles and the sanctity of that document with respect to other issues- like say gun control- are advocating that we pretty much tear the document in half and throw it in the trash when it comes time to sentence this guy.

Second Amendment: Read it!

Eighth Amendment: Take a dump on it!

Not sure if this was directed at me but my only issue with the 2nd amendment is jump to heavy arsenal and automatic type weapons. I know this guy is nuts and I really don't have issue with owning a handgun / hunting rifles. As far as the 8th - I have no problem with "trashing" it. To me there is nothing cruel or unusual when it comes to this type of crime. I don't venture into these types of threads often so forgive my phone typing points if they stink

Um, you should actually read the 8th Amendment before you venture an uninformed opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Cruel and unusual is referring to the punishment given, not the crime itself. For example, Torturing someone for jaywalking would be a cruel and unusual punishment even though jaywalking is not considered a cruel or unusual crime.

Um yeah, not sure where I was uninformed, my point was any punishment given to this guy can not be considered cruel or unusual based on the crime he committed.

"Even if it could be demonstrated unequivocally that public flogging and hand branding were not cruel and unusual measures in 1791 … I doubt whether any federal judge -- even among the many who consider themselves originalists -- would sustain them against an Eighth Amendment challenge."-- Justice Antonin Scalia

 

[shadyridr]

This is disgusting. Almost wish he traded places with AJ Boik

A kid who witnessed — and narrowly escaped — last week's "Dark Knight” massacre in Colorado plans civil action against theater operators, movie producers and doctors of suspected killer James Holmes, according to a published report .

Torrence Brown Jr., 18, was inside Century 16 Theater in Aurora, Colo., when Holmes allegedly went on his bloodthirsty spree early Friday morning, killing 12 and wounding 58 in a mass killing that’s shocked the nation.

Brown said he was with his pal A.J. Boik, who was fatally shot in the chest.

In a soon-to-be filed lawsuit, Brown said his face-to-face meeting with grisly death caused him extreme trauma, according to a report today by celebrity gossip Web site TMZ.

ZUMAPRESS.com

James Holmes' mug shot

Reuters

A.J. BoikBrown and his lawyer Donald Karpel will claim the theater should have alarmed or guarded the emergency exit.

Holmes allegedly went into the theater with other moviegoers and then propped open the emergency-exit door open from inside, allowing him to get to his car and grab the small arsenal of weapons used for the horrific shooting.

The potential plaintiffs also plan to target Holmes doctors, arguing they should have more closely monitored the neuroscience student for medications he might have been taking.

And lastly, the near-victim plans to take on “Dark Knight” producers at Warner Bros., claiming that they should be held at least partially responsible for Holmes allegedly mimicking the flick’s dark and violent tones.

Holmes’ hair was painted a freakish orange and red. He called himself “The Joker,” an iconic “Batman” villain, according to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly.

"Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today,” Karpel said.

Holmes, 24, made his first court appearance yesterday and appeared dazed and out of it as prosecutors asked a judge for more time to contemplate the avalanche of charges he’ll surely face.

His San Diego parents, who adopted the brilliant-but-painfully shy Holmes, have not been cooperating with cops.

It’s still unclear why Holmes snapped that night.

He had painted his body and hair red before donning military gear and shooting up the theater, killing 12 and wounding 58, paralyzing some for life.

Before he left his apartment, he booby-trapped it to kill cops when they got there to investigate the loud music he had set to a timer, hoping the diversion would let him escape after he shot up the theater.

The massacre occurred during a midnight premiere of Batman’s “The Dark Knight Rises” — and he told cops he was the “Joker.”

Agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms yesterday were probing how he assembled his fearsome arsenal of guns — including an AR-15 military-style assault rifle.

The loveless sicko had been spurned by three women on an online sex site since July 5. And he was about to get booted from his campus housing because he had dropped out of the University of Colorado.

A disgusted jail worker who served Holmes breakfast and lunch just hours after the massacre told The Post that the fiend didn’t lose any sleep — or his appetite — over what he’d just allegedly done.

The worker said Holmes wolfed down Frosted Flakes, a carton of milk and a blueberry muffin for breakfast, then slept like a baby.

“I’m thinking this just happened after midnight, and at 11 a.m., he’s taking a nap? I’m thinking, ‘Wake your ### up, dummy,’ ” he said.

Ian Sullivan, father of the youngest victim, 6-year-old Veronica Moser Sullivan, called Holmes a terrorist and said he should be prosecuted by the feds.

“We just enacted a bill that says if someone acts as a terrorist, he will be treated as such . . . Everything the president, the police, the FBI have said describe him as such,” the grieving dad said.

When Holmes opened fire, Allie Young, 19, was shot in the neck and started spurting blood in the theater, but best pal Stephanie Davies, 21, dragged her out of the carnage and applied pressure to the wound until help arrived.

“I saw Allie get hit and wasn’t going to have my best friend bleed to death in my arms,” Davies told The Post yesterday — a day after both met President Obama at Young’s hospital bedside.

Holmes, a brilliant but painfully shy loner, had been pursuing a doctorate in neuroscience at UC’s Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora before suddenly dropping out in June.

He had been given a $26,000 stipend from the National Institutes of Health, and investigators want to know if any of that cash went to purchase guns or explosives.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/colo_massacre_witness_plans_lawsuit_UfuLh0PHaYUJQyZddU8J6J#ixzz21YSzqEI7

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

 

[Topes]

US cops catch attempted ‘Batman’ mass-murder copycat with massive arsenal

 

[Rayderr]

US cops catch attempted ‘Batman’ mass-murder copycat with massive arsenal

Not sure how it's a copycat if he was going to kill 1 specific person. I hope "Did you see the new Batman film?" isn't part of normal police questioning now.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Yes, the guy who paid to see the midnight showing of the third batman movie thinks movies shouldnt be so violent.

 

[identikit]

Apologize if this has been posted, but just heard on cable news that requests for background checks for gun permits has gone up 41% in Colorado since the massacre.

 

[mlball77]

Apologize if this has been posted, but just heard on cable news that requests for background checks for gun permits has gone up 41% in Colorado since the massacre.

This doesn't surprise me. I think, nationally, gun and ammo sales might spike (further) for a couple months... as some will be worried about greater restrictions in the near future ...and some will be more focused on self defense after this tragedy (not necessarily worried about greater restrictions).

 

[FlapJacks]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

Nope

 

[Christo]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

Hell, no.

 

[Rayderr]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not. doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

Even then the doctors opinion would be subjective and what could he do? You can't be committed unless they can show with some serious behavior you are a danger to yourself or others. A guy with one traffic ticket probably doesn't meet that standard.

 

[identikit]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

Even then the doctors opinion would be subjective and what could he do? You can't be committed unless they can show with some serious behavior you are a danger to yourself or others. A guy with one traffic ticket probably doesn't meet that standard.

May have missed it, but was he even going to any doctors?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

Even then the doctors opinion would be subjective and what could he do? You can't be committed unless they can show with some serious behavior you are a danger to yourself or others. A guy with one traffic ticket probably doesn't meet that standard.

May have missed it, but was he even going to any doctors?

I have heard he was on anti-depressants

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You have to love how on the CNN segment where they are displaying the types of guns he had, and they are talking about gun laws etc., that the website for that gun store/firing range is prominently displayed.

 

[FlapJacks]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not. doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a lookMovie producers - agree this is stupid

 

[Rayderr]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

Even then the doctors opinion would be subjective and what could he do? You can't be committed unless they can show with some serious behavior you are a danger to yourself or others. A guy with one traffic ticket probably doesn't meet that standard.

May have missed it, but was he even going to any doctors?

I have heard he was on anti-depressants

Link?

 

[Christo]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not. doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a lookMovie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

 

[FavreCo]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

Brown and his lawyer Donald Karpel will claim the theater should have alarmed or guarded the emergency exit.That was such an easy prediction.

 

[shadyridr]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

 

[FlapJacks]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

think that one through

 

[FavreCo]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

think that one through

Depends on the time it took him to go from propping the door open, to his car and back with the gun. Certainly possible that an usher could have arrived at the door before this guy and closed it. Of course, he would have proceeded to enter the theatre from the front at that point. With his apartment the way it was, he was going to carry this out no matter what.

 

[FlapJacks]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not. doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a lookMovie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

 

[FlapJacks]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

think that one through

Depends on the time it took him to go from propping the door open, to his car and back with the gun. Certainly possible that an usher could have arrived at the door before this guy and closed it. Of course, he would have proceeded to enter the theatre from the front at that point. With his apartment the way it was, he was going to carry this out no matter what.

I don't think they would have sat there twiddling there thumbs while piercing alram sound rings in their ears fpr decent stretch of time

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

think that one through

Depends on the time it took him to go from propping the door open, to his car and back with the gun. Certainly possible that an usher could have arrived at the door before this guy and closed it. Of course, he would have proceeded to enter the theatre from the front at that point. With his apartment the way it was, he was going to carry this out no matter what.

Plus people act like there are a bunch of ushers around. There sure aren't in any theater I go to. They run on skeleton staffs and ushers seem to be the last position they worry about filling. Usually I don't see an usher in a theater and when I am leaving someone who was working the snack bar is waiting to sweep up.

 

[identikit]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

I doubt that broke any law.

 

[FavreCo]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

Even if the alarm worked, they wouldnt have been able to prevent anything. Its not like movie theater ushers carry guns or something. The results wouldve been nearly identical

think that one through

Depends on the time it took him to go from propping the door open, to his car and back with the gun. Certainly possible that an usher could have arrived at the door before this guy and closed it. Of course, he would have proceeded to enter the theatre from the front at that point. With his apartment the way it was, he was going to carry this out no matter what.

I don't think they would have sat there twiddling there thumbs while piercing alram sound rings in their ears fpr decent stretch of time

Me either and that is how it will play out if they don't reach a settlement. Prediction: movie theater goes under.

 

[Zow]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

Says who?/christo (making a good point)

 

[belljr]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

I doubt that broke any law.

Yeah pretty sure it passes code to be opened. All emergency exits don't need to be equipped with an alarm.

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

I doubt that broke any law.

Yeah pretty sure it passes code to be opened. All emergency exits don't need to be equipped with an alarm.

They are alarmed because the companies decide to do so for obvious reasons in most cases not due to any code I am aware of.

 

[FavreCo]

Logically they don't have to equip them. In a court of law, it's who has the better lawyer. Logic gets thrown out the door. Could go either way.

 

[Zow]

Logically they don't have to equip them. In a court of law, it's who has the better lawyer. Logic gets thrown out the door. Could go either way.

:facepalm:

 

[3C's]

guess he should sue the government too since they force the theater to have an emergency exit.

 

[Rayderr]

Logically they don't have to equip them. In a court of law, it's who has the better lawyer. Logic gets thrown out the door. Could go either way.

I'm gonna side with the huge company having the better lawyer on this one.

 

[belljr]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

I doubt that broke any law.

Yeah pretty sure it passes code to be opened. All emergency exits don't need to be equipped with an alarm.

They are alarmed because the companies decide to do so for obvious reasons in most cases not due to any code I am aware of.

Fire safety code. I don't know all the exact specifics but for certain size rooms, public buildings etc emergency exits are required. If there is a central alarm in place , which I'm guessing the building has, by law the doors do not have to be. I'll see if I can dig up the link I was reading.But basically all public buildings have to meet yearly fire inspections to remain operational.

I'm not talking about any deterrent alarm etc etc. This is for a strictly fire safety code

 

[NCCommish]

Well it was only a matter of time until someone went for the money with a nuisance suit.

you don't think they have a valid cause of action?

theater operators - If the guy came walking in the front door armed like Punisher, then yeah. But that's not what happened.movie producers - Absolutely not.

doctors of suspected killer James Holmes - Only if it's proven that he showed signs of being dangerous ahead of time, which does not sound like to be the case.

theater operators -- pretty close to this scenario. It seems that there is a degree of negligence hereDoctors - suppose they were incompetent to the point of malpractice here? Might be worth a look

Movie producers - agree this is stupid

What duty did the theater operator violate?

you have a point here. The doors should have been alarmed, but it probably will be very questionable to stretch that into negligence and/or public danger.

I doubt that broke any law.

Yeah pretty sure it passes code to be opened. All emergency exits don't need to be equipped with an alarm.

They are alarmed because the companies decide to do so for obvious reasons in most cases not due to any code I am aware of.

Fire safety code. I don't know all the exact specifics but for certain size rooms, public buildings etc emergency exits are required. If there is a central alarm in place , which I'm guessing the building has, by law the doors do not have to be. I'll see if I can dig up the link I was reading.But basically all public buildings have to meet yearly fire inspections to remain operational.

You have to have exits. I don't think they have to be alarmed. That is done to stop theft mostly.

 

[Fennis]

As pointed out before, the exits at the front of a theatre are not emergency exits. They are exits

 

[belljr]

Fire safety code. I don't know all the exact specifics but for certain size rooms, public buildings etc emergency exits are required. If there is a central alarm in place , which I'm guessing the building has, by law the doors do not have to be. I'll see if I can dig up the link I was reading.But basically all public buildings have to meet yearly fire inspections to remain operational.

You have to have exits. I don't think they have to be alarmed. That is done to stop theft mostly.

Right - that was my point. They didn't break any laws by not having them alarmed, even following proper fire safety mandates. If they didn't the building would not be operational. I think we are agreeing

 

[belljr]

As pointed out before, the exits at the front of a theatre are not emergency exits. They are exits

Correct but they are mandatory exits

 

[NCCommish]

Fire safety code. I don't know all the exact specifics but for certain size rooms, public buildings etc emergency exits are required. If there is a central alarm in place , which I'm guessing the building has, by law the doors do not have to be. I'll see if I can dig up the link I was reading.But basically all public buildings have to meet yearly fire inspections to remain operational.

You have to have exits. I don't think they have to be alarmed. That is done to stop theft mostly.

Right - that was my point. They didn't break any laws by not having them alarmed, even following proper fire safety mandates. If they didn't the building would not be operational. I think we are agreeing