Shooting In Mall In Columbia Maryland (4 Viewers)

[Ignoramus]

Not that gun violence is a problem, but no matter what we do, there's no way to reduce it, Tim.

Mall was a gun-free zone - do you want to pass something to make it even more illegal to bring a gun there?Weapon used was a shotgun - are you proposing to ban shotguns?

All I hear is a lot of whining about how nobody will accept your solutions. Perhaps if you were propose something that had some weight that directly influences this event somebody might listen.

"Lie back and accept it."

 

[KCitons]

Still wondering why we have to register our car in every state? Why would it be so impossible to register every gun? Attach fees, create jobs and let it pay for itself.

I can even build my own vehicle, as long as it meets requirements for road worthiness. But, I still have to register and license it in order to leave my driveway. Yet a person with skills (or a 3D printer) can make a gun and not be required to notify anyone.

It wouldn't be difficult at all.

All of these excuses- it would be too expensive, it wouldn't work, it wouldn't have any effect, etc., are completely contradicted by international example. The REAL reason that most NRA types don't want this is rarely stated, mostly because they're embarrassed to state it (except for a few extremists who have the guts to be honest now and then): that they're paranoid that registering guns will lead to their seizure and the imposition of a government dictatorship.

See my earlier post. I said that exact same thing.

I currently own about a dozen guns. All of them were purchased legally and are registered. When possible the guns action is separated from the gun. The action is stored in one safe, the rest of the gun is stored in a firearms safe.

I don't shoot people and I don't see a reason why my right to own a gun should change because other people choose to break laws. Even so, I am willing to give up every one of my guns tomorrow, if it comes with a guarantee that gun violence will end.

Let me know where to drop them off.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

They do?

First off Israel only has a 7.3% rate of gun possession (both legal and illegal)

Second, to receive a gun license, one technically needs to meet two sets of criteria. First, the basics: A gun owner must be a citizen or a permanent resident and speak some Hebrew. The person can’t be a minor and can’t have any physical or mental problems hindering him from operating a firearm. Second, one must show cause to carry a weapon, a privilege limited on paper to about a dozen categories of people whose work conditions are perilous enough to justify carrying a firearm.

Third, in 2000, there were approximately 400,000 legally owned firearms in Israel, the majority of them handguns, and the number of illegal weapons stood at about 150,000. (61.5% compliance) Ten years later, thanks largely to the new strictures, the ratio was reversed: 180,000 firearms were legally licensed, and more than 400,000 were illegally obtained, most of them assault rifles like the M-16 and the Galil, stolen from the Israel Defense Forces.

Score one for gun registration in Israel!!!

What is your source for the bolded? Because it contradicts everything I've been reading and been told. If your source is legit (not from the NRA or pro gun sites, which I do NOT trust) then I will absolutely reassess what I have written about gun registration.

the Jewish Chronicle

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Not that gun violence is a problem, but no matter what we do, there's no way to reduce it, Tim.

Mall was a gun-free zone - do you want to pass something to make it even more illegal to bring a gun there?Weapon used was a shotgun - are you proposing to ban shotguns?

All I hear is a lot of whining about how nobody will accept your solutions. Perhaps if you were propose something that had some weight that directly influences this event somebody might listen.

"Lie back and accept it."

Why are you laying back and accepting the peanut allergy epidemic?!? - literally thousands of people are dying each year from peanuts!

 

[StrikeS2k]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

so when are you moving? Hopefully FBG's is censored wherever you move. but I'm sure their intelligence agencies will do a bang up job of making sure no terrorist attacks happen there. It won't cost you your liberty......Much.

 

[timschochet]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

They do? First off Israel only has a 7.3% rate of gun possession (both legal and illegal)

Second, to receive a gun license, one technically needs to meet two sets of criteria. First, the basics: A gun owner must be a citizen or a permanent resident and speak some Hebrew. The person cant be a minor and cant have any physical or mental problems hindering him from operating a firearm. Second, one must show cause to carry a weapon, a privilege limited on paper to about a dozen categories of people whose work conditions are perilous enough to justify carrying a firearm.

Third, in 2000, there were approximately 400,000 legally owned firearms in Israel, the majority of them handguns, and the number of illegal weapons stood at about 150,000. (61.5% compliance) Ten years later, thanks largely to the new strictures, the ratio was reversed: 180,000 firearms were legally licensed, and more than 400,000 were illegally obtained, most of them assault rifles like the M-16 and the Galil, stolen from the Israel Defense Forces.

Score one for gun registration in Israel!!!

What is your source for the bolded? Because it contradicts everything I've been reading and been told. If your source is legit (not from the NRA or pro gun sites, which I do NOT trust) then I will absolutely reassess what I have written about gun registration.

the Jewish Chronicle

Thx. I read the article, which is a pro- gun opinion piece, and I can't find any source for that information. It is contradicted by the source I listed and by Israeli policemen I have met and heard interviewed.

 

[timschochet]

Still wondering why we have to register our car in every state? Why would it be so impossible to register every gun? Attach fees, create jobs and let it pay for itself.

I can even build my own vehicle, as long as it meets requirements for road worthiness. But, I still have to register and license it in order to leave my driveway. Yet a person with skills (or a 3D printer) can make a gun and not be required to notify anyone.

It wouldn't be difficult at all.All of these excuses- it would be too expensive, it wouldn't work, it wouldn't have any effect, etc., are completely contradicted by international example. The REAL reason that most NRA types don't want this is rarely stated, mostly because they're embarrassed to state it (except for a few extremists who have the guts to be honest now and then): that they're paranoid that registering guns will lead to their seizure and the imposition of a government dictatorship.

See my earlier post. I said that exact same thing. I currently own about a dozen guns. All of them were purchased legally and are registered. When possible the guns action is separated from the gun. The action is stored in one safe, the rest of the gun is stored in a firearms safe.

I don't shoot people and I don't see a reason why my right to own a gun should change because other people choose to break laws. Even so, I am willing to give up every one of my guns tomorrow, if it comes with a guarantee that gun violence will end.

Let me know where to drop them off.

I have no desire to take away your guns, or anyone who is a law abiding citizen. You have a constitutional right to them, and IMO a moral right as well.

 

[timschochet]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

so when are you moving? Hopefully FBG's is censored wherever you move. but I'm sure their intelligence agencies will do a bang up job of making sure no terrorist attacks happen there. It won't cost you your liberty......Much.

Do you enjoy sounding so much like a caricature? You're like a serious Archie Bunker without any laugh track.

 

[DiStefano]

Ahh, yes, registering all guns. Sounds like a great half##### idea. Well, we have a test market. A country very close to us, probably more like us than any other country.

Canada.

They set out to register all "long" guns. It was an unmitigated disaster, with costs eventually rising to more than $1 billion. And it didn't work.

We have 10 times the population and 20 times the guns. But hey, we're doing something about it, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

 

[timschochet]

Ahh, yes, registering all guns. Sounds like a great half##### idea. Well, we have a test market. A country very close to us, probably more like us than any other country.

Canada.

They set out to register all "long" guns. It was an unmitigated disaster, with costs eventually rising to more than $1 billion. And it didn't work.

We have 10 times the population and 20 times the guns. But hey, we're doing something about it, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

Was wondering when this would come up. There are lots of reasons why what happened in Canada has no bearing on what we're discussing. But you won't learn any of those reasons in a Forbes opinion piece.

 

[DiStefano]

Ahh, yes, registering all guns. Sounds like a great half##### idea. Well, we have a test market. A country very close to us, probably more like us than any other country.

Canada.

They set out to register all "long" guns. It was an unmitigated disaster, with costs eventually rising to more than $1 billion. And it didn't work.

We have 10 times the population and 20 times the guns. But hey, we're doing something about it, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

Was wondering when this would come up. There are lots of reasons why what happened in Canada has no bearing on what we're discussing. But you won't learn any of those reasons in a Forbes opinion piece.

Why, wasn't it peer reviewed. Are you a denier?

 

[timschochet]

Ahh, yes, registering all guns. Sounds like a great half##### idea. Well, we have a test market. A country very close to us, probably more like us than any other country.

Canada.

They set out to register all "long" guns. It was an unmitigated disaster, with costs eventually rising to more than $1 billion. And it didn't work.

We have 10 times the population and 20 times the guns. But hey, we're doing something about it, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

Was wondering when this would come up. There are lots of reasons why what happened in Canada has no bearing on what we're discussing. But you won't learn any of those reasons in a Forbes opinion piece.

Why, wasn't it peer reviewed. Are you a denier?

Touché nicely done

 

[StrikeS2k]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

so when are you moving? Hopefully FBG's is censored wherever you move. but I'm sure their intelligence agencies will do a bang up job of making sure no terrorist attacks happen there. It won't cost you your liberty......Much.

Do you enjoy sounding so much like a caricature? You're like a serious Archie Bunker without any laugh track.

Aw, Tim starting with the personal insults. How typical.

 

[fatness]

Glad bushdocda is OK.

 

[timschochet]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

so when are you moving? Hopefully FBG's is censored wherever you move. but I'm sure their intelligence agencies will do a bang up job of making sure no terrorist attacks happen there. It won't cost you your liberty......Much.

Do you enjoy sounding so much like a caricature? You're like a serious Archie Bunker without any laugh track.

Aw, Tim starting with the personal insults. How typical.

You regard THAT as a personal insult? And after telling me to leave the country?

 

[Politician Spock]

31 out of 165

 

[Stinger Ray]

31 out of 165

He jerks off on this place.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

They do? First off Israel only has a 7.3% rate of gun possession (both legal and illegal)

Second, to receive a gun license, one technically needs to meet two sets of criteria. First, the basics: A gun owner must be a citizen or a permanent resident and speak some Hebrew. The person cant be a minor and cant have any physical or mental problems hindering him from operating a firearm. Second, one must show cause to carry a weapon, a privilege limited on paper to about a dozen categories of people whose work conditions are perilous enough to justify carrying a firearm.

Third, in 2000, there were approximately 400,000 legally owned firearms in Israel, the majority of them handguns, and the number of illegal weapons stood at about 150,000. (61.5% compliance) Ten years later, thanks largely to the new strictures, the ratio was reversed: 180,000 firearms were legally licensed, and more than 400,000 were illegally obtained, most of them assault rifles like the M-16 and the Galil, stolen from the Israel Defense Forces.

Score one for gun registration in Israel!!!

What is your source for the bolded? Because it contradicts everything I've been reading and been told. If your source is legit (not from the NRA or pro gun sites, which I do NOT trust) then I will absolutely reassess what I have written about gun registration.

the Jewish Chronicle

Thx. I read the article, which is a pro- gun opinion piece, and I can't find any source for that information. It is contradicted by the source I listed and by Israeli policemen I have met and heard interviewed.

"I know you like it because it fits your political views."

We can do this all day Tim.

 

[danielmclark]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

We? Was that us? Was that you and me, Tommy? WE came to America and founded this great country? WE wanted to get away from all the other countries? I just checked my notes, I can't find any entries from around the time that the nation was founded, can't find any references to you and me getting a call about a relocation project. I think WE have pretty much limited ourselves to #####ing on an anonymous internet message board. I think WE should probably shut the #### up.

Apologies to Doug Stanhope for the paraphrase.

But seriously, shut the #### up with the "we" bull####. You had jack all to do with the founding of this nation and you have no right to take credit for any of it - even rhetorically. You want to have a say in the direction the country goes, fine. We all have that right. But don't sit behind your keyboard and pound out anonymous platitudes about how much more American you are than anyone else. You're not. You got lucky when you were born here, and that's the only ####### claim you can make. Just like the rest of us. You're no more special than any other person in this conversation.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

We? Was that us? Was that you and me, Tommy? WE came to America and founded this great country? WE wanted to get away from all the other countries? I just checked my notes, I can't find any entries from around the time that the nation was founded, can't find any references to you and me getting a call about a relocation project. I think WE have pretty much limited ourselves to #####ing on an anonymous internet message board. I think WE should probably shut the #### up.

Apologies to Doug Stanhope for the paraphrase.

But seriously, shut the #### up with the "we" bull####. You had jack all to do with the founding of this nation and you have no right to take credit for any of it - even rhetorically. You want to have a say in the direction the country goes, fine. We all have that right. But don't sit behind your keyboard and pound out anonymous platitudes about how much more American you are than anyone else. You're not. You got lucky when you were born here, and that's the only ####### claim you can make. Just like the rest of us. You're no more special than any other person in this conversation.

No one is more special than me. I'm American + 1. Everyone else is just American.

 

[jwp]

We had 2 people murdered today close to where I live. Old man with a rifle shot two people getting into a shed on a different property. Turns out they were legal owners who just bought the property as I understand it. Not sure how they decide one is national news and another is not. I hope this guy rots in jail.

 

[DrJ]

So despite statistics that show violent crime is down across the board (at least our current administration tells us), everyone is all upset that this is some kind of new trend?

Not to sound harsh, but this is just like the media's coverage of the Shark Attacks in 2001. Every time a person was attacked, it was the top story on the news that night and people saw it as an epidemic. Yet, when all was said and done and the numbers tallied up, the numbers were no higher than they were the years before,

I think that (taking some of the more abhorrent crimes out of the mix Sandy Hook for example) these random shooting were 3-4 people are killed are not anything new and not some kind of trend, but just something the media latches on to and reports with screaming headlines to incite people and drive ratings.

Again just my .02.

Whether it's a new trend or not, there are ways to make it less likely, and we keep refusing to do them. One obvious means of reducing gun violence is to have background checks on all gun purchases and transfers without exception. Another way is to have universal registration of all firearms owned in this country.

I haven't participated much in the other gun control threads (maybe a post here or there), but I do not own a gun. Other than wanting a shotgun for home protection, just don't really see the need to own one. That being said in 2011 there were approximately 32,000 gun deaths--almost 20,000 of them were suicide, approximately 1,000 were accidents leaving about 11,000 total deaths (and approximately 750 of these were considered justifiable homicides). So the number is 10,000--let's put this in perspective:600,000 people died of heart disease

575,000 died of cancer

440.000 preventable medical errors

130,00 stroke

120,00 car accidents

68,000 diabetes

50,000 flu

(if you want to play semantics, because this isn't included in the list, there were over 350,000 abortions performed by just Planned Parenthood alone last year)

It goes on to the point that homicide (and this includes frying pans) is not even in the top 15 causes of death in the US.

But yet, we are bombarded by the headlines that want to make us believe that guns are just killing people on every block, every minute of the day and this is just the worst thing ever. I know if you have a loved one touched by gun violence, it is a hard thing. I get that and I am not trying to make light of it, but in the big picture, more people die from Cancer in 10 days then are killed by guns all year

10 DAYS===why is this not the headline for every paper in country every night? Why doesn't every newscast start off with "Well another 1,200 people died today from cancer?"

And the answer is there is not an agenda that can be advanced by pointing this out and it doesn't get ratings. So all of you on here that are calling for every gun owner to come forward and register their guns--think about that for a minute. Assuming there are something like 250 million guns in this country (and that is probably a low number and is skewed because most owners have multiple guns), but honestly is asking 200 million people to come forward and register just because less than 1% of the population is impacted by something? And before someone says, "Well tell that to the mother of a kid killed by a gun-wielding maniac," I will feel bad for her, but I will also feel bad for the child that was killed by a lightning strike or a bee sting or a peanut allergy. All of which (like gun homicides) represent a statistically small number of the total deaths in this country and not worthy of a law that will impact 200 million people.

Let's say we put this great law in place ordering everyone to come forward and register, as the evidence presented in the other gun control thread pointed out, less than 18% of the total gun homicides were perpetrated by lawful gun owners. The other 82% were committed by people who had their guns illegally. So in theory, we are going to have 18% comply and the other 82% do just like they are doing now and ignore it. So what have we accomplished??

And don't even go down the road of then we would just really hammer these people when they are caught with illegal weapons because guess what? There is no room in the inn these days. Our jails are incredibly overcrowded and we are seeing a great push to release non-violent offenders as it is. Now we are going to further strain this system by incarcerating everyone who won't register their guns? It is not going to happen. Plus we have a huge backlash in this country over existing stop and frisk laws. Now we are going to further empower police to jail more minorities because they are caught with illegal weapons??

I am sad people are killed. But stricter gun control laws that impact law-abiding citizens are not the answer and as it has been pointed out over and over, would have had ZERO impact on the vast majority of the mass shootings we have seen recently.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of laws and stuff related to keeping known carcinogens out of our environment, preventing cancer and a huge effort to cure it. Why is it that with gun violence we should just lie back accept the notion that mass killings are inevitable and nothing we do will have any impact?

Umm... there's laws against gun violence.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So despite statistics that show violent crime is down across the board (at least our current administration tells us), everyone is all upset that this is some kind of new trend?

Not to sound harsh, but this is just like the media's coverage of the Shark Attacks in 2001. Every time a person was attacked, it was the top story on the news that night and people saw it as an epidemic. Yet, when all was said and done and the numbers tallied up, the numbers were no higher than they were the years before,

I think that (taking some of the more abhorrent crimes out of the mix Sandy Hook for example) these random shooting were 3-4 people are killed are not anything new and not some kind of trend, but just something the media latches on to and reports with screaming headlines to incite people and drive ratings.

Again just my .02.

Whether it's a new trend or not, there are ways to make it less likely, and we keep refusing to do them. One obvious means of reducing gun violence is to have background checks on all gun purchases and transfers without exception. Another way is to have universal registration of all firearms owned in this country.

I haven't participated much in the other gun control threads (maybe a post here or there), but I do not own a gun. Other than wanting a shotgun for home protection, just don't really see the need to own one. That being said in 2011 there were approximately 32,000 gun deaths--almost 20,000 of them were suicide, approximately 1,000 were accidents leaving about 11,000 total deaths (and approximately 750 of these were considered justifiable homicides). So the number is 10,000--let's put this in perspective:600,000 people died of heart disease

575,000 died of cancer

440.000 preventable medical errors

130,00 stroke

120,00 car accidents

68,000 diabetes

50,000 flu

(if you want to play semantics, because this isn't included in the list, there were over 350,000 abortions performed by just Planned Parenthood alone last year)

It goes on to the point that homicide (and this includes frying pans) is not even in the top 15 causes of death in the US.

But yet, we are bombarded by the headlines that want to make us believe that guns are just killing people on every block, every minute of the day and this is just the worst thing ever. I know if you have a loved one touched by gun violence, it is a hard thing. I get that and I am not trying to make light of it, but in the big picture, more people die from Cancer in 10 days then are killed by guns all year

10 DAYS===why is this not the headline for every paper in country every night? Why doesn't every newscast start off with "Well another 1,200 people died today from cancer?"

And the answer is there is not an agenda that can be advanced by pointing this out and it doesn't get ratings. So all of you on here that are calling for every gun owner to come forward and register their guns--think about that for a minute. Assuming there are something like 250 million guns in this country (and that is probably a low number and is skewed because most owners have multiple guns), but honestly is asking 200 million people to come forward and register just because less than 1% of the population is impacted by something? And before someone says, "Well tell that to the mother of a kid killed by a gun-wielding maniac," I will feel bad for her, but I will also feel bad for the child that was killed by a lightning strike or a bee sting or a peanut allergy. All of which (like gun homicides) represent a statistically small number of the total deaths in this country and not worthy of a law that will impact 200 million people.

Let's say we put this great law in place ordering everyone to come forward and register, as the evidence presented in the other gun control thread pointed out, less than 18% of the total gun homicides were perpetrated by lawful gun owners. The other 82% were committed by people who had their guns illegally. So in theory, we are going to have 18% comply and the other 82% do just like they are doing now and ignore it. So what have we accomplished??

And don't even go down the road of then we would just really hammer these people when they are caught with illegal weapons because guess what? There is no room in the inn these days. Our jails are incredibly overcrowded and we are seeing a great push to release non-violent offenders as it is. Now we are going to further strain this system by incarcerating everyone who won't register their guns? It is not going to happen. Plus we have a huge backlash in this country over existing stop and frisk laws. Now we are going to further empower police to jail more minorities because they are caught with illegal weapons??

I am sad people are killed. But stricter gun control laws that impact law-abiding citizens are not the answer and as it has been pointed out over and over, would have had ZERO impact on the vast majority of the mass shootings we have seen recently.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of laws and stuff related to keeping known carcinogens out of our environment, preventing cancer and a huge effort to cure it. Why is it that with gun violence we should just lie back accept the notion that mass killings are inevitable and nothing we do will have any impact?

Umm... there's laws against gun violence.

Wait...there is? You mean we've been arguing this entire time about making laws against guns and we've actually had them on the books already? WTF?

Maybe we should start enforcing them? How about we start there?

 

[DrJ]

So despite statistics that show violent crime is down across the board (at least our current administration tells us), everyone is all upset that this is some kind of new trend?

Not to sound harsh, but this is just like the media's coverage of the Shark Attacks in 2001. Every time a person was attacked, it was the top story on the news that night and people saw it as an epidemic. Yet, when all was said and done and the numbers tallied up, the numbers were no higher than they were the years before,

I think that (taking some of the more abhorrent crimes out of the mix Sandy Hook for example) these random shooting were 3-4 people are killed are not anything new and not some kind of trend, but just something the media latches on to and reports with screaming headlines to incite people and drive ratings.

Again just my .02.

Whether it's a new trend or not, there are ways to make it less likely, and we keep refusing to do them. One obvious means of reducing gun violence is to have background checks on all gun purchases and transfers without exception. Another way is to have universal registration of all firearms owned in this country.

I haven't participated much in the other gun control threads (maybe a post here or there), but I do not own a gun. Other than wanting a shotgun for home protection, just don't really see the need to own one. That being said in 2011 there were approximately 32,000 gun deaths--almost 20,000 of them were suicide, approximately 1,000 were accidents leaving about 11,000 total deaths (and approximately 750 of these were considered justifiable homicides). So the number is 10,000--let's put this in perspective:600,000 people died of heart disease

575,000 died of cancer

440.000 preventable medical errors

130,00 stroke

120,00 car accidents

68,000 diabetes

50,000 flu

(if you want to play semantics, because this isn't included in the list, there were over 350,000 abortions performed by just Planned Parenthood alone last year)

It goes on to the point that homicide (and this includes frying pans) is not even in the top 15 causes of death in the US.

But yet, we are bombarded by the headlines that want to make us believe that guns are just killing people on every block, every minute of the day and this is just the worst thing ever. I know if you have a loved one touched by gun violence, it is a hard thing. I get that and I am not trying to make light of it, but in the big picture, more people die from Cancer in 10 days then are killed by guns all year

10 DAYS===why is this not the headline for every paper in country every night? Why doesn't every newscast start off with "Well another 1,200 people died today from cancer?"

And the answer is there is not an agenda that can be advanced by pointing this out and it doesn't get ratings. So all of you on here that are calling for every gun owner to come forward and register their guns--think about that for a minute. Assuming there are something like 250 million guns in this country (and that is probably a low number and is skewed because most owners have multiple guns), but honestly is asking 200 million people to come forward and register just because less than 1% of the population is impacted by something? And before someone says, "Well tell that to the mother of a kid killed by a gun-wielding maniac," I will feel bad for her, but I will also feel bad for the child that was killed by a lightning strike or a bee sting or a peanut allergy. All of which (like gun homicides) represent a statistically small number of the total deaths in this country and not worthy of a law that will impact 200 million people.

Let's say we put this great law in place ordering everyone to come forward and register, as the evidence presented in the other gun control thread pointed out, less than 18% of the total gun homicides were perpetrated by lawful gun owners. The other 82% were committed by people who had their guns illegally. So in theory, we are going to have 18% comply and the other 82% do just like they are doing now and ignore it. So what have we accomplished??

And don't even go down the road of then we would just really hammer these people when they are caught with illegal weapons because guess what? There is no room in the inn these days. Our jails are incredibly overcrowded and we are seeing a great push to release non-violent offenders as it is. Now we are going to further strain this system by incarcerating everyone who won't register their guns? It is not going to happen. Plus we have a huge backlash in this country over existing stop and frisk laws. Now we are going to further empower police to jail more minorities because they are caught with illegal weapons??

I am sad people are killed. But stricter gun control laws that impact law-abiding citizens are not the answer and as it has been pointed out over and over, would have had ZERO impact on the vast majority of the mass shootings we have seen recently.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of laws and stuff related to keeping known carcinogens out of our environment, preventing cancer and a huge effort to cure it. Why is it that with gun violence we should just lie back accept the notion that mass killings are inevitable and nothing we do will have any impact?

Umm... there's laws against gun violence.

Wait...there is? You mean we've been arguing this entire time about making laws against guns and we've actually had them on the books already? WTF?

Maybe we should start enforcing them?

Pretty sure we do that as well. I'm going to guess that there will be legal proceedings as a result of this, but that's just kind of a guess.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So despite statistics that show violent crime is down across the board (at least our current administration tells us), everyone is all upset that this is some kind of new trend?

Not to sound harsh, but this is just like the media's coverage of the Shark Attacks in 2001. Every time a person was attacked, it was the top story on the news that night and people saw it as an epidemic. Yet, when all was said and done and the numbers tallied up, the numbers were no higher than they were the years before,

I think that (taking some of the more abhorrent crimes out of the mix Sandy Hook for example) these random shooting were 3-4 people are killed are not anything new and not some kind of trend, but just something the media latches on to and reports with screaming headlines to incite people and drive ratings.

Again just my .02.

Whether it's a new trend or not, there are ways to make it less likely, and we keep refusing to do them. One obvious means of reducing gun violence is to have background checks on all gun purchases and transfers without exception. Another way is to have universal registration of all firearms owned in this country.

I haven't participated much in the other gun control threads (maybe a post here or there), but I do not own a gun. Other than wanting a shotgun for home protection, just don't really see the need to own one. That being said in 2011 there were approximately 32,000 gun deaths--almost 20,000 of them were suicide, approximately 1,000 were accidents leaving about 11,000 total deaths (and approximately 750 of these were considered justifiable homicides). So the number is 10,000--let's put this in perspective:600,000 people died of heart disease

575,000 died of cancer

440.000 preventable medical errors

130,00 stroke

120,00 car accidents

68,000 diabetes

50,000 flu

(if you want to play semantics, because this isn't included in the list, there were over 350,000 abortions performed by just Planned Parenthood alone last year)

It goes on to the point that homicide (and this includes frying pans) is not even in the top 15 causes of death in the US.

But yet, we are bombarded by the headlines that want to make us believe that guns are just killing people on every block, every minute of the day and this is just the worst thing ever. I know if you have a loved one touched by gun violence, it is a hard thing. I get that and I am not trying to make light of it, but in the big picture, more people die from Cancer in 10 days then are killed by guns all year

10 DAYS===why is this not the headline for every paper in country every night? Why doesn't every newscast start off with "Well another 1,200 people died today from cancer?"

And the answer is there is not an agenda that can be advanced by pointing this out and it doesn't get ratings. So all of you on here that are calling for every gun owner to come forward and register their guns--think about that for a minute. Assuming there are something like 250 million guns in this country (and that is probably a low number and is skewed because most owners have multiple guns), but honestly is asking 200 million people to come forward and register just because less than 1% of the population is impacted by something? And before someone says, "Well tell that to the mother of a kid killed by a gun-wielding maniac," I will feel bad for her, but I will also feel bad for the child that was killed by a lightning strike or a bee sting or a peanut allergy. All of which (like gun homicides) represent a statistically small number of the total deaths in this country and not worthy of a law that will impact 200 million people.

Let's say we put this great law in place ordering everyone to come forward and register, as the evidence presented in the other gun control thread pointed out, less than 18% of the total gun homicides were perpetrated by lawful gun owners. The other 82% were committed by people who had their guns illegally. So in theory, we are going to have 18% comply and the other 82% do just like they are doing now and ignore it. So what have we accomplished??

And don't even go down the road of then we would just really hammer these people when they are caught with illegal weapons because guess what? There is no room in the inn these days. Our jails are incredibly overcrowded and we are seeing a great push to release non-violent offenders as it is. Now we are going to further strain this system by incarcerating everyone who won't register their guns? It is not going to happen. Plus we have a huge backlash in this country over existing stop and frisk laws. Now we are going to further empower police to jail more minorities because they are caught with illegal weapons??

I am sad people are killed. But stricter gun control laws that impact law-abiding citizens are not the answer and as it has been pointed out over and over, would have had ZERO impact on the vast majority of the mass shootings we have seen recently.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of laws and stuff related to keeping known carcinogens out of our environment, preventing cancer and a huge effort to cure it. Why is it that with gun violence we should just lie back accept the notion that mass killings are inevitable and nothing we do will have any impact?

Umm... there's laws against gun violence.

Wait...there is? You mean we've been arguing this entire time about making laws against guns and we've actually had them on the books already? WTF?

Maybe we should start enforcing them?

Pretty sure we do that as well. I'm going to guess that there will be legal proceedings as a result of this, but that's just kind of a guess.

HOL-EE-####! You mean we have gun laws AND enforce them? Wow. Boom - mind blown.

So what's with all the people posting in here freaking out about needing gun laws?

 

[eoMMan]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

 

[DiStefano]

Well, the NSA is pissed about guns going off and they don't know about it. So they want a chip in every gun.

 

[Politician Spock]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

For the record, it was the pro-gun control crowd that started it. Like they always do.

 

[KCitons]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

True. But I guess you should just close the thread after the first condolence post. What more is left to discuss about this specific incident?

Too many people in the FFA have a preconceived notion of what a thread should, and should not, contain. Doesn't a thread continue or drop off by its own volition?

 

[wazoo11]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

I am a total doofus.

 

[Ursa M]

We need more guns, not less. It should be the law that every adult must carry

Hollywood created a vision of the wild west but in reality gun violence was very rare because everyone was strapped

The yahoos will not feel more powerful and inclined to shoot if everyone has a gun and can retaliate

The severe mentally ill will always find ways to hurt people so nothing can really be done about them except euthanize them

Wait, won't they have guns too? You know, like everyone else?

 

[chauncey]

Glad bushdocda is OK.

Thanks court jester for bringing some facts to this thread. It is sad to hear of any murder, glad the situation at the mall was not worse. Really all these tragic events come down to nothing more than human emotions, jealousy, greed, fear, loneliness, egotism, etc. And mental illness. If everyone in this country would be more kind, understanding, loving, etc the horrific front page news stories would lessen. Not over night, but over time. People are irrational beings so violence will never disappear, but if we all practice being excellent to each other (even in threads like these) it will have an impact far greater than any propaganda or legislation by either side.

Again, glad Bushcoda is OK.

:endhippyrant:

 

[DSP]

How come the people who are so afraid of guns walk around in bulletproof armor while pursuing ther agenda to festroy the second amendment?

If you arent wearing body armor you obviously arent as afraid of guns as you claim

 

[StrikeS2k]

Gun owners like to tout Israel as a society where everyone owns guns and there is very little gun violence. But ask any Israeli policeman, and they will tell you that the main reason for the lack of fun violence is that every gun is registered and a background check is performed on every purchase. Again, it's really a no brainer.

How many Israeli policemen have you asked personally?

Actually, a couple. But I've also read this in various places. The fact is, Strike, that almost every country around the world that has private gun ownership has full registration. And almost every law enforcement official here and internationally believes it to be a no brainer. You claim the police are biased. I agree with you. They are biased in the name of fighting crime. What is your bias?

Tim,

I'm sick of your "every other country" bull####. We didn't come to America and found this great country to be LIKE other countries. We wanted to get the hell away from them. And I kind of wish we still had that attitude. If you want to be like Israel, f'ing move there. Or France. I don't care. And I don't care if they want to disarm their citizens. We were founded in direct opposition to that sort of rhetoric so it's not a very persuasive argument.

so when are you moving? Hopefully FBG's is censored wherever you move. but I'm sure their intelligence agencies will do a bang up job of making sure no terrorist attacks happen there. It won't cost you your liberty......Much.

Do you enjoy sounding so much like a caricature? You're like a serious Archie Bunker without any laugh track.

Aw, Tim starting with the personal insults. How typical.

You regard THAT as a personal insult? And after telling me to leave the country?

Given your history of calling me a racist and/or xenophobe I'd say comparing me to perhaps the biggest bigot in TV history is a pretty significant personal attack. So yeah. Maybe, as I've suggested to you on numerous occasions, you should just stick to the issues instead of making snide comments that you think are insignificant.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Can't think of anything more at FBG I enjoy more than gun lobby vs anti-gun lobby chat. Well done as always everyone.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Can't think of anything more at FBG I enjoy more than gun lobby vs anti-gun lobby chat. Well done as always everyone.

It was like taking candy from a baby, look at these softballs to start off the thread starting with the 5th post - my they are getting aggressive these days:

Well, whatever we're doing as a nation it's not working. Seems to be getting worse in fact. Way too many nut jobs with guns who I assume crave the publicity and whatever else these acts give them.

Is this the 4th shooting in 2 weeks now?

AK-47's for everyone

You don't think the anti-gun people out there are within their rights for expressing their frustration with this?

These incidents seem to be happening with greater frequency- not sure that's statistically true, but it sure feels like it...

I think if the whole mall was armed, this would have never have happened...

or

There would be way more people dead

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Would anyone else be interested in reading a collection of Tim's conversations with the various Israel policemen he has met?

 

[BobbyLayne]

AK-47's for everyone

You can't even take 20 minutes off from being a complete #######?

You don't think the anti-gun people out there are within their rights for expressing their frustration with this? I mean....come on. We want to know what it will take for America to rethink its stance on gun control because if Sandy Hook didn't do it, we don't know what will. Forgive TG for expressing his emotions through irreverent choices. Guys like us are just....we're ####### tired of this ####. We've been tired of this ####. For decades. It's tragic and it sucks, but I for one am exhausted at typing out compassionate words of sorrow when these shootings happen every other week, with varying degrees of tragic horror. And yet we do nothing. Nothing.

Great posting, bro.

 

[timschochet]

AK-47's for everyone

You can't even take 20 minutes off from being a complete #######?

You don't think the anti-gun people out there are within their rights for expressing their frustration with this? I mean....come on. We want to know what it will take for America to rethink its stance on gun control because if Sandy Hook didn't do it, we don't know what will. Forgive TG for expressing his emotions through irreverent choices. Guys like us are just....we're ####### tired of this ####. We've been tired of this ####. For decades. It's tragic and it sucks, but I for one am exhausted at typing out compassionate words of sorrow when these shootings happen every other week, with varying degrees of tragic horror. And yet we do nothing. Nothing.

Great posting, bro.

It certainly is. Two people are dead, and Five Digit Know Nothing is bragging that he "took candy from a baby" because he thinks (wrongly) that he's "won" the gun debate. ####### disgusting.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

AK-47's for everyone

You can't even take 20 minutes off from being a complete #######?

You don't think the anti-gun people out there are within their rights for expressing their frustration with this? I mean....come on. We want to know what it will take for America to rethink its stance on gun control because if Sandy Hook didn't do it, we don't know what will. Forgive TG for expressing his emotions through irreverent choices. Guys like us are just....we're ####### tired of this ####. We've been tired of this ####. For decades. It's tragic and it sucks, but I for one am exhausted at typing out compassionate words of sorrow when these shootings happen every other week, with varying degrees of tragic horror. And yet we do nothing. Nothing.

Great posting, bro.

It certainly is.Two people are dead, and Five Digit Know Nothing is bragging that he "took candy from a baby" because he thinks (wrongly) that he's "won" the gun debate. ####### disgusting.

FBI records have identified 186 mass shootings since 2006, half of those involved someone killing family members - so cut that number in half to 93 mass shootings over 7 years. A mass shooting in this context is where 4 or more people are killed. The reason I am excluding the family related mass shootings is because I think it is safe to assume the FBG's that are so vehemently anti-gun either do not have a gun in their family or if they do that they are responsible gun owners and are at far less risk of being victims of these incidents. This is what the outcry is about correct? That they could become a victim to one of these senseless killings?

That comes out to 1 mass shooting every 4 weeks if we were to spread it out across that timeframe, call it 1 mass shooting a month. It's already been beaten to death how rare these events are when compared against other incidents (struck by lightning, having a fatal peanut allergy, etc...) and the probability of anyone reading this being a victim to one of these incidents is too miniscule to even calculate.

Why do you think these rare events are given the media's attention? Could it be politically motivated? Ratings? A combination of the two?

How often do you think a gun is used defensively? If you had to guess a ratio, how much more frequently would you guess that a gun is used defensively compared to when it is used in a mass shooting?

2:1?

10:1?

1,000:1?

10,000:1?

more?

Why do you think these instances are not given the same media attention? Politically motivated? Ratings? Maybe because it happens so many times a day that nobody would care to hear it on the news - i.e. it is not rare; it is not news!

Tim likes to bring up Israel for comparison purposes. Does he realize that those that own guns in Israel typically carry their firearm with them where ever they go. Do you think he realizes that it is common for people to open carry everywhere, in large public areas? Does he accept that this might be the reason why there are fewer mass shootings in Israel? Yes there are more guns in the U.S. there are also more restrictions on who can carry where (aka gun-free zones). If Tim really wants the U.S. to be more like Israel, why is he so against removing gun-free zones?

 

[eoMMan]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

True. But I guess you should just close the thread after the first condolence post. What more is left to discuss about this specific incident?

Too many people in the FFA have a preconceived notion of what a thread should, and should not, contain. Doesn't a thread continue or drop off by its own volition?

Who was the gun man? What motivated him to do it? How did he know the two people?

It is possible to have a thread solely about this story and leave the gun **** fight threads consolidated to one thread.

 

[[icon]]

How come the people who are so afraid of guns walk around in bulletproof armor while pursuing ther agenda to festroy the second amendment?

If you arent wearing body armor you obviously arent as afraid of guns as you claim

Good lord... Someone has removed all sharp objects from this guy's house right?

 

[[icon]]

Two people are dead, and Five Digit Know Nothing is bragging that he "took candy from a baby" because he thinks (wrongly) that he's "won" the gun debate. ####### disgusting.

5DKN has smoked your repetitive hand wringing at every turn. Just because you post the same thing 48x more than the other person, doesn't make it right.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

True. But I guess you should just close the thread after the first condolence post. What more is left to discuss about this specific incident?Too many people in the FFA have a preconceived notion of what a thread should, and should not, contain. Doesn't a thread continue or drop off by its own volition?

Who was the gun man? What motivated him to do it? How did he know the two people?It is possible to have a thread solely about this story and leave the gun **** fight threads consolidated to one thread.

I was trying to update here what was being reported locally, but nobody really cared and they stuck to their ideological posts.

 

[danielmclark]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

True. But I guess you should just close the thread after the first condolence post. What more is left to discuss about this specific incident?Too many people in the FFA have a preconceived notion of what a thread should, and should not, contain. Doesn't a thread continue or drop off by its own volition?

Who was the gun man? What motivated him to do it? How did he know the two people?It is possible to have a thread solely about this story and leave the gun **** fight threads consolidated to one thread.

I was trying to update here what was being reported locally, but nobody really cared and they stuck to their ideological posts.

Probably because it doesn't matter. Every gun owner is a bastion of freedom, a patriot, a defender of the second amendment, and a law abiding citizen... until he pulls the trigger and kills people in a mall. For example.

So you can update the thread and I'm sure all kinds of reasons will come out, and all kinds of pro-gun people will point at unique factors and claim their side is correct ("It's rare! There's only been an average of one mass shooting a month since 2006!"). Anti-gun people will say "#### that, people are still dead" and claim their side is correct.

And as usual, nothing will get done to stop the flow of blood.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Who posted in: Shooting In Mall In Columbia Maryland

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On a serious note, this is obviously a terrible tragedy. :( I am not sure what the solution is, but I think that mental illness is a much bigger problem than guns, so, while I think gun laws should be stricter, it is too easy and far lazier to just bust out the "ban guns!" mantra when something like this happens.

 

[KCitons]

Being that this thread turned into another poopy filled gun debate, I'll try to turn it back to the story....

The two dead, not the gun man, were young and worked together. Probably like a 95% they were hooking up and it obviously didn't go well with the gun man.

Definitely an isolated incident and not one where he was going to just kill random people.

Bump.

Sad story. Too bad this thread isn't about it.

True. But I guess you should just close the thread after the first condolence post. What more is left to discuss about this specific incident?

Too many people in the FFA have a preconceived notion of what a thread should, and should not, contain. Doesn't a thread continue or drop off by its own volition?

Who was the gun man? What motivated him to do it? How did he know the two people?

It is possible to have a thread solely about this story and leave the gun **** fight threads consolidated to one thread.

Have you read any other thread in the FFA? It's nearly impossible to find one where something off topic has not been brought up. Whether it's a joke or a serious discussion. It's the nature of this forum and fitting of the "free for all" name.

 

[JZilla]

Who posted in: Shooting In Mall In Columbia Maryland

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On a serious note, this is obviously a terrible tragedy. :( I am not sure what the solution is, but I think that mental illness is a much bigger problem than guns, so, while I think gun laws should be stricter, it is too easy and far lazier to just bust out the "ban guns!" mantra when something like this happens.

Look out, commie

 

[bagger]

Had plan with the family to get there at 2 today then head to the movies.

F'ing whole country is going to hell.

I would have thought after new town we would have had meaningful change.Clearly that's not the case so now I just hope the gun owners all kill each other.