Sometimes I think Goodell is like a politician (1 Viewer)

[jacobo_moses]

After reading this article I and hearing why Goodell is telling season ticket holders what the lockout is about. I think more and more that Goodell is like a politician. More and more every day. He wants to tell us what we want to hear and keep the owners happy also. So talk about sitting on the fence. Sheesh!!!



Does anyone else agree after reading this article??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-frederick/seriously-mr-goodell-spar_b_873961.html

 

[menobrown]

No he's not sitting on the fence. He works for the owners and is the mouthpiece for the owners. Keeping positive PR on the owners side is a big part of his job.

When I hear fans boo Goodell and players like Derrick Mason spew verbal venom at Goodell and blame him for the lockout they just come across as being ignorant to me. The lockout has little to do with Goodell. He's simply carrying out the wishes of his employers, the owners. Mason and his like they know can't slam their owners so they blame Goodell instead. Nothing but misplaced aggression.

 

[J Andersson]

No he's not sitting on the fence. He works for the owners and is the mouthpiece for the owners. Keeping positive PR on the owners side is a big part of his job.When I hear fans boo Goodell and players like Derrick Mason spew verbal venom at Goodell and blame him for the lockout they just come across as being ignorant to me. The lockout has little to do with Goodell. He's simply carrying out the wishes of his employers, the owners. Mason and his like they know can't slam their owners so they blame Goodell instead. Nothing but misplaced aggression.

Agree 100 %.He's been doing...A) what he's supposed to do (represent the league andf the owners)B) what everyone wanted as far as punsihing inappropriate off the field-behaviour and it appears what the NFLPA wants (since they are, maybe rightly so, using injury risks etc. when arguing against an 18-game season) when punishing illegal hits etc.I think it's just a sign of frustration off this whole labor mess and the lack of other individual targets to point the finger at.It's as one sided as the ones in favor of the owners targeting DeMaurice Smith as the one person solely responsible for the players stance and the endless road towards litigation.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Sorry I think people are missing the point. It seems to me as though Goodell is just feeding us bunch of lines. I mean he doesn't give us any substantial reasoning to why the lockout is continuing. Why can't he just tell us what its really about. Which is posturing.

HOw many people think Goodell will follow through with this promise?:

If the anticipated NFL work stoppage comes to fruition, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell won't let anyone accuse him of kicking back and cashing checks while no one else is making any money.

According to Jason LaCanfora, the commissioner will reduce his own salary to $1 per year if there's no football.

 

[D.J.]

Sorry I think people are missing the point. It seems to me as though Goodell is just feeding us bunch of lines. I mean he doesn't give us any substantial reasoning to why the lockout is continuing. Why can't he just tell us what its really about. Which is posturing. HOw many people think Goodell will follow through with this promise?:If the anticipated NFL work stoppage comes to fruition, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell won't let anyone accuse him of kicking back and cashing checks while no one else is making any money.According to Jason LaCanfora, the commissioner will reduce his own salary to $1 per year if there's no football.

I think he already did? Aren't he and pash not making money during the lockout? (to be fair, I bet he gets a huge bonus wheb a cba is reached)

 

[Frank Black]

Sorry I think people are missing the point. It seems to me as though Goodell is just feeding us bunch of lines. I mean he doesn't give us any substantial reasoning to why the lockout is continuing. Why can't he just tell us what its really about. Which is posturing.

The earlier posters didn't miss the point of your original post. They responded to what you posted and you didn't make it clear in your original post what you were really getting at.Now that you have clarified what you are really getting at, my question is, what kinds of statements do you believe Goodell should be making to explain things more accurately?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Sorry I think people are missing the point. It seems to me as though Goodell is just feeding us bunch of lines. I mean he doesn't give us any substantial reasoning to why the lockout is continuing. Why can't he just tell us what its really about. Which is posturing.

The earlier posters didn't miss the point of your original post. They responded to what you posted and you didn't make it clear in your original post what you were really getting at.Now that you have clarified what you are really getting at, my question is, what kinds of statements do you believe Goodell should be making to explain things more accurately?

Exactly. There's no statement for Goodell to make that would appease anybody.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Goodell can't be blamed for promoting the owner's side of things. But he can be blamed for treating the customers (fans, the ones who make the owners all that money) like idiots. That also comes from the owners as well.

The owners are the ones who want to change things. They want more money. They just can't make it under the terms of the original deal, and they need a bigger cut of those billions. That's going to be a tough sell to fans who have to pay a premium for every little thing the league offers UNLESS you spin things the way they do.

The owners are operating on the notion that they have more leverage than the players or the fans. They have what we need and they'll dictate the terms and eventually get what they want. And I believe they are absolutely right. It's a lot easier to organize 32 people than it is 1500+ players, or millions of fans. They can hold the line longer and stronger.

 

[sj_bennett]

Sorry I think people are missing the point. It seems to me as though Goodell is just feeding us bunch of lines. I mean he doesn't give us any substantial reasoning to why the lockout is continuing. Why can't he just tell us what its really about. Which is posturing.

The earlier posters didn't miss the point of your original post. They responded to what you posted and you didn't make it clear in your original post what you were really getting at.Now that you have clarified what you are really getting at, my question is, what kinds of statements do you believe Goodell should be making to explain things more accurately?

Exactly. There's no statement for Goodell to make that would appease anybody.

Yes, Goodell is acting like a politician, trying to sell parts of the deal that are good for fans and players while ensuring that the owners get a better deal than they had last time.As was mentioned, Goodell's job is to ensure that the owners do not shoulder all of the blame for the lockout. People will be angry if there is anything less that a full season. So, Goodell has to sell the owners story to the public and hope that pressure on players to have a full season makes a deal happen where the owners get almost all they wanted in the first place AND so the deal can be sold as everyone (owners, players, fans) had to give up something.

 

[menobrown]

I was reading a Bill Simmons article on the upcoming NBA labor strife and his portrayal of Goodell was pretty spot on:

In the NFL, three greedy billionaire megalomaniacs (Bob Kraft, Jerry Richardson, and Jerry Jones) have controlled the owners' side of the labor talks, while Roger Goodell has been exposed as a glorified puppet, a talking Ken doll who plays the media brilliantly but has no real juice at all.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6649101/dizzying-highs-terrifying-lows

 

[jacobo_moses]

Actually if Goodell just was up front with me as a fan. I'd appreciate that more then him feeding some BS of excuses as to why the Lockout has to be in place and going on currently. Why can't people just give us the truth of it and let us deal with it. I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lockout is about posturing. I mean if the lockout was not in place there wouldn't be sense or urgency to get a deal done for the players. What I'm saying is I realize a lockout is the quickest way to a CBA. But I just wish Goodell would paint the picture as it really is and not this rainbow colored picture that is not realistic or mostly truthful either.

 

[domvin]

Actually if Goodell just was up front with me as a fan. I'd appreciate that more then him feeding some BS of excuses as to why the Lockout has to be in place and going on currently. Why can't people just give us the truth of it and let us deal with it. I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lockout is about posturing. I mean if the lockout was not in place there wouldn't be sense or urgency to get a deal done for the players. What I'm saying is I realize a lockout is the quickest way to a CBA. But I just wish Goodell would paint the picture as it really is and not this rainbow colored picture that is not realistic or mostly truthful either.

Welcome to the real world.Not saying that to be a smart###, but, every walk of life has someone out front/up top trying to bepositive and keep on a happy face.He has to be neutral here. if he appears one-sided, then the other side is gonna call him out, and in this case, the players(who feel mistreated understandably....they had a deal in place and it got pulled from them)Some players already feel that way. I get that, ---it's the wrong approach, but if my employerpulled my contract/salary, I'd be pissed too.I have no probs with Goodell as a Commish. I also think the league would still thrive if we had someone else in there as well.

 

[Football Critic]

Actually if Goodell just was up front with me as a fan. I'd appreciate that more then him feeding some BS of excuses as to why the Lockout has to be in place and going on currently. Why can't people just give us the truth of it and let us deal with it. I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lockout is about posturing. I mean if the lockout was not in place there wouldn't be sense or urgency to get a deal done for the players. What I'm saying is I realize a lockout is the quickest way to a CBA. But I just wish Goodell would paint the picture as it really is and not this rainbow colored picture that is not realistic or mostly truthful either.

I love the bolded, lol. Someone has some higher sense of importance, I guess, he went all LeBron on us.

Goodell dont owe you anything, if you have not noticed, they do not care about the fans nor need to. We keep buying tickets, jerseys, and signing up for fantasy sites already.

It may sound like I'm being abbrasive and I'm not meaning to be... but Goodell owes you, or me, or any of us NOTHING. He works for the owners, not you, or me.

Also if you know the :IBTL: out is going on, why you need him to tell you? are you really not aware of whats going on? The thread seems to suggest you dont understand the lockout, the commish, or why he does what he does. So I guess not. Seems like a thread to complain when we already have a lockout thread.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Actually if Goodell just was up front with me as a fan. I'd appreciate that more then him feeding some BS of excuses as to why the Lockout has to be in place and going on currently. Why can't people just give us the truth of it and let us deal with it. I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lockout is about posturing. I mean if the lockout was not in place there wouldn't be sense or urgency to get a deal done for the players. What I'm saying is I realize a lockout is the quickest way to a CBA. But I just wish Goodell would paint the picture as it really is and not this rainbow colored picture that is not realistic or mostly truthful either.

If Goodell did that, the owners would fire him. They have a specific message to get out and want to paint themselves in the best light possible. They don't REALLY care if YOU buy it or not. The truth is, that lots and lots of fans WILL buy it. The commissioner works for the owners. Period. He isn't independent, he doesn't work for the players and he doesn't work for the fans. He is hired by the NFL owners to represent them. He has a very small amount of leeway to do what he sees as right for the game.And Goodell was screwed from the start. The owners gave Tagliabue a whole lot of authority and leeway. They trusted him to have their best interests at heart. And then he pushed through the last CBA deal that they all ended up feeling screwed on. So whoever was the next Commissioner was destined to have his legs cut out from under him because the owners wanted to take back the control.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Lets keep lockout perspectives in the lockout thread, plz, jacobo_moses. This one has no new angle to offer. I'm locking it. You've started multiple threads about the lockout but none have offered new perspectives outside the 49 page lockout thread already in existence.

I appreciate that all y'all have frustration with the lockout, and that the 49 page lockout thread is expansive and a long read, but that's where observations like "I feel there won't be a season" and "I think Goodell is like a politician" belong.

TIA.

Mark Wimer

Edit to add LINK to the 49 page lockout thread