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[BroadwayG]

No prob, his attempts and TDs have gone up every year, and his yards would have too...if he didnt miss 2 games in 09'-10'. Throw into that he is fairly accurate with 62.5% comp. pct., that is close enough for White to make snags, and he will get Ryan good stats alone. Add to that a Top teir rookie WR, who Atlanta felt high enough on to trade a ton for, into the mix... how can you not PROJECT HIGHER stats for Ryan? Remeber all we are doing is projecting so looking at stats, talent and upside, along with the scheme and players/talent around him to for see the season. Plus I'm not as much worried about yards, as I am TDs, and I see that at around 30.So if it Matters...He is coming into his own has shown growth and is an unbelievable talent. And as far as his schedule, he is playing a lot of teams that are bad against the pass. Seattle, Indy, Houston, Carolina (twice) and as of now Detroit (Aso coming soon?)4125/31/14 So at his draft position, a good solid pick, IMHO.I hope that works for you, you may not like him (or me), but his talent, upside, and stats, say he is at the bottom of Teir 1.

You're predicting at least a 10% increase in production, which has to be either in efficiency (YPA) or sheer number of attempts. As I mentioned the attempts have remained constant for them the past two years. You certainly could call for Ryan to suddenly launch 630 passes, but that's extremely unlikely and would require Turner to go down or their defense to completely implode and turn every game into a track meet. If you're counting on one of these to account for your 10%, that's cool, but you're talking out your heinie.That leaves a better efficiency. Again as I mentioned, Ryan seemed to take a huge step forward last year, but his efficiency stats remained slightly above average (YPA, Comp %). Is Ryan going to have a 70% completion rate next year to generate that 10% increase you're predicting? Again, highly unlikely.The last option would be having the new weapons he has will boost his YPA by 10%. But their offense just isn't predicated on the big plays. Ryan's longest pass play last year was 46 yards. They're capable of doing it, but after their performance last year, why would they break what's working and start flinging the rock downfield? Julio Jones? You projecting him to go 60/1300/12? Again, that's cool, but for a guy with a rap for bad route running and suspect hands, I think that's pretty preposterous.So yes, he's a lower tier #1 and fine where you drafted him, but it's going to take some kind of football anomaly for him to hit 4,000 yards.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Is there a reason that a 10% increase in production has to come from only 1 source?

 

[BroadwayG]

Is there a reason that a 10% increase in production has to come from only 1 source?

No.

 

[Football Critic]

No prob, his attempts and TDs have gone up every year, and his yards would have too...if he didnt miss 2 games in 09'-10'. Throw into that he is fairly accurate with 62.5% comp. pct., that is close enough for White to make snags, and he will get Ryan good stats alone. Add to that a Top teir rookie WR, who Atlanta felt high enough on to trade a ton for, into the mix... how can you not PROJECT HIGHER stats for Ryan? Remeber all we are doing is projecting so looking at stats, talent and upside, along with the scheme and players/talent around him to for see the season. Plus I'm not as much worried about yards, as I am TDs, and I see that at around 30.So if it Matters...He is coming into his own has shown growth and is an unbelievable talent. And as far as his schedule, he is playing a lot of teams that are bad against the pass. Seattle, Indy, Houston, Carolina (twice) and as of now Detroit (Aso coming soon?)4125/31/14 So at his draft position, a good solid pick, IMHO.I hope that works for you, you may not like him (or me), but his talent, upside, and stats, say he is at the bottom of Teir 1.

You're predicting at least a 10% increase in production, which has to be either in efficiency (YPA) or sheer number of attempts. As I mentioned the attempts have remained constant for them the past two years. You certainly could call for Ryan to suddenly launch 630 passes, but that's extremely unlikely and would require Turner to go down or their defense to completely implode and turn every game into a track meet. If you're counting on one of these to account for your 10%, that's cool, but you're talking out your heinie.That leaves a better efficiency. Again as I mentioned, Ryan seemed to take a huge step forward last year, but his efficiency stats remained slightly above average (YPA, Comp %). Is Ryan going to have a 70% completion rate next year to generate that 10% increase you're predicting? Again, highly unlikely.The last option would be having the new weapons he has will boost his YPA by 10%. But their offense just isn't predicated on the big plays. Ryan's longest pass play last year was 46 yards. They're capable of doing it, but after their performance last year, why would they break what's working and start flinging the rock downfield? Julio Jones? You projecting him to go 60/1300/12? Again, that's cool, but for a guy with a rap for bad route running and suspect hands, I think that's pretty preposterous.So yes, he's a lower tier #1 and fine where you drafted him, but it's going to take some kind of football anomaly for him to hit 4,000 yards.

He is averaging 218 yards a game for his career. I believe gaining Jones and another year of White being better, and yes i'm on record for Turner on a decline, only helps him. He only needs to avg 250 a game to get 4 thow. I guess you can say I'm looking for a 10% increase, but thats not too much to ask for a young QB who is coming into his prime with more weapons, and extremely high upside, maybe the highest upside in the whole league. Some bad secondaries in the NFC South and they play in a ton of domes....AIR IT OUT.

 

[BroadwayG]

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.

:drops mic:

 

[Football Critic]

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.:drops mic:

Ummm, what else are you suppose to use to compare players and their projections?Back, in 1994 seriously. Now pictus stated above I should stay caged until provoked....lolFirst of all, after you virtually agreed with me that Ryan is a teir 1 wr, you compare stats of length of pass plays and you did simple math of the really reasonable pct. of increase a 4th yr WR whith a solid team around him should eclipse.Yet you call your self a guru and drop the mic?Well the reason you dropped the mic my friend is because your hands were greased up from the reaming of knowledge you just took.Dont ever test my knowledge, and oppoese me...and then you later agree with me, and pretend you won something. Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

 

[BroadwayG]

Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

Please link me to the knowledge you dropped.Oh wait, he needs 250 yards per game to get to 4,000. Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

[BroadwayG]

Anybody with half a football for a brain would have called me out for using YPA which subracts sack yardage, or pointed out some other relevant piece of information that would detract from my argument.

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

 

[Football Critic]

Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

Please link me to the knowledge you dropped.Oh wait, he needs 250 yards per game to get to 4,000. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Just like your 10% increase stat, thats life altering. Thank god we have you to help with math.And according to your statemnts, thats was the only stat that it took to convince you he was a tier 1 wr I guess, cause you agreed. remember, so if you agree why did you challenge me, and then try your comic routine?

 

[BroadwayG]

And according to your statemnts, thats was the only stat that it took to convince you he was a trir 1 wr I guess, cause you agreed.

I need a translator, stat.

 

[BroadwayG]

Ryan, little to no hope for 4000 yards? have you been a sleep for the past year? Ryan has the leagues best WR in production, a great TE still even at his age, a running game that will put a few in the box, and a rookie wr that ATL traded up a bunch to 6 to get. but yp no hope, wow a dumb statement on your part.

Here's what I was debating, not whether he was a low tier 1 QB. So if you take solace in knowing I think he's a low tier 1 QB, enjoy.

 

[gandalas]

And according to your statemnts, thats was the only stat that it took to convince you he was a trir 1 wr I guess, cause you agreed.

I need a translator, stat.

All I can tell is that he is clinging to the fact that he is a Tier 1 WR, which confuses me, as he plays the QB position...

 

[Football Critic]

Ryan, little to no hope for 4000 yards? have you been a sleep for the past year? Ryan has the leagues best WR in production, a great TE still even at his age, a running game that will put a few in the box, and a rookie wr that ATL traded up a bunch to 6 to get. but yp no hope, wow a dumb statement on your part.

Here's what I was debating, not whether he was a low tier 1 QB. So if you take solace in knowing I think he's a low tier 1 QB, enjoy.

you wanted me to break it down, so i did, then you started sparring knowledge, I sparred back....I KOd you. Me = you = :X (In that order)

 

[Football Critic]

And according to your statemnts, thats was the only stat that it took to convince you he was a trir 1 wr I guess, cause you agreed.

I need a translator, stat.

All I can tell is that he is clinging to the fact that he is a Tier 1 WR, which confuses me, as he plays the QB position...

LOL, sorry I meant QB, I am debating someone on a wr via PM. I'm doin a lot of educated today.

 

[BroadwayG]

you wanted me to break it down, so i did

 

[Football Critic]

you wanted me to break it down, so i did

what do you need a link to? lol, r you with us today?

 

[BroadwayG]

you wanted me to break it down, so i did

what do you need a link to? lol, r you with us today?

Boy, if you call that a break down, I just won a Pulitzer.

 

[Football Critic]

you wanted me to break it down, so i did

what do you need a link to? lol, r you with us today?

Boy, if you call that a break down, I just won a Pulitzer.

Wasnt really a breakdown, just many reasons and good support for my reasoning, which you questioned. otherwise why did you ask for my projections? lolYou dont win many leagues do you? You say you been here a while, hmmmm.

ETA: Wait you dont have to answer that I looked it up in league history @ http://www.ffplace.com/

I've been here one year, but you say you've been playin a while. Man thats just not good.

 

[BroadwayG]

You dont win many leagues do you? You say you been here a while, hmmmm.

ETA: Wait you dont have to answer that I looked it up in league history @ http://www.ffplace.com/

I've been here one year, but you say you've been playin a while. Man thats just not good.

Last year's MBSL was the first time I did any of these.And no, I don't win many leagues. How did you do in the FPC last year? Maybe we can compare results.

 

[Pictus Cat]

I like what you guys did on your breakdowns.

I would add Detroit might be a good shootout scenario. I think Houston and Indy might prove more difficult to keep up with.

Rookie WR/RB & new coach/ system with lockout might slow the progression a bit, but it will be exciting to see if/when it gets on track. Should be stable with upside.

 

[Joe Bryant]

If you come back after your time off, please be way cooler if you want to post here. TIA.J

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.:drops mic:

Ummm, what else are you suppose to use to compare players and their projections?Back, in 1994 seriously. Now pictus stated above I should stay caged until provoked....lolFirst of all, after you virtually agreed with me that Ryan is a teir 1 wr, you compare stats of length of pass plays and you did simple math of the really reasonable pct. of increase a 4th yr WR whith a solid team around him should eclipse.Yet you call your self a guru and drop the mic?Well the reason you dropped the mic my friend is because your hands were greased up from the reaming of knowledge you just took.Dont ever test my knowledge, and oppoese me...and then you later agree with me, and pretend you won something. Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

UH-OH. Is someone getting a TIMEOUT from the boards? If so I hope they'll pm their picks to someone so we can hopefully keep this draft going.

 

[BroadwayG]

It was not me.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I figure it is obvious who it was but what kind of ............reports somebody in a mock draft thread.

 

[BusMan]

I figure it is obvious who it was but what kind of ............reports somebody in a mock draft thread.

I was tempted many times, alas...

 

[LHUCKS]

it wasn't me

 

[CommuterMan]

FC was aggressive at times

but worthy of a time-out?

The thread will be much more quite but the result is that the draft will be effected and thus the league as a whole.

 

[BassNBrew]

If you come back after your time off, please be way cooler if you want to post here. TIA.J

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.:drops mic:

Ummm, what else are you suppose to use to compare players and their projections?Back, in 1994 seriously. Now pictus stated above I should stay caged until provoked....lolFirst of all, after you virtually agreed with me that Ryan is a teir 1 wr, you compare stats of length of pass plays and you did simple math of the really reasonable pct. of increase a 4th yr WR whith a solid team around him should eclipse.Yet you call your self a guru and drop the mic?Well the reason you dropped the mic my friend is because your hands were greased up from the reaming of knowledge you just took.Dont ever test my knowledge, and oppoese me...and then you later agree with me, and pretend you won something. Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

Hey Joe. I know it's asking a lot, but how about a 4 hour warning shot suspension or a delayed suspension. I understand that he wasn't being excellent, but he was bringing some good football facts/opinions/predictions to the table. Additionally, the timeout does impact 15 other guys who are doing this draft.

 

[Joe Bryant]

If you come back after your time off, please be way cooler if you want to post here. TIA.J

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.:drops mic:

Ummm, what else are you suppose to use to compare players and their projections?Back, in 1994 seriously. Now pictus stated above I should stay caged until provoked....lolFirst of all, after you virtually agreed with me that Ryan is a teir 1 wr, you compare stats of length of pass plays and you did simple math of the really reasonable pct. of increase a 4th yr WR whith a solid team around him should eclipse.Yet you call your self a guru and drop the mic?Well the reason you dropped the mic my friend is because your hands were greased up from the reaming of knowledge you just took.Dont ever test my knowledge, and oppoese me...and then you later agree with me, and pretend you won something. Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

Hey Joe. I know it's asking a lot, but how about a 4 hour warning shot suspension or a delayed suspension. I understand that he wasn't being excellent, but he was bringing some good football facts/opinions/predictions to the table. Additionally, the timeout does impact 15 other guys who are doing this draft.

Thanks BnB. I didn't realize he was in a draft and affecting you guys. I'll unsuspend. But make sure he knows if can't be a lot cooler, he needs to find another board. End of story. Thanks. Sorry to have messed you other guys up here.J

 

[Football Critic]

If you come back after your time off, please be way cooler if you want to post here. TIA.J

Critic, you football knowledge is where I was at back in 1994. Shallow statistical information and 'gut'. Please don't call out anyone ever again. I'm done.:drops mic:

Ummm, what else are you suppose to use to compare players and their projections?Back, in 1994 seriously. Now pictus stated above I should stay caged until provoked....lolFirst of all, after you virtually agreed with me that Ryan is a teir 1 wr, you compare stats of length of pass plays and you did simple math of the really reasonable pct. of increase a 4th yr WR whith a solid team around him should eclipse.Yet you call your self a guru and drop the mic?Well the reason you dropped the mic my friend is because your hands were greased up from the reaming of knowledge you just took.Dont ever test my knowledge, and oppoese me...and then you later agree with me, and pretend you won something. Were you wearing a hard hat because I dropped the knowledge.

Hey Joe. I know it's asking a lot, but how about a 4 hour warning shot suspension or a delayed suspension. I understand that he wasn't being excellent, but he was bringing some good football facts/opinions/predictions to the table. Additionally, the timeout does impact 15 other guys who are doing this draft.

Thanks BnB. I didn't realize he was in a draft and affecting you guys. I'll unsuspend. But make sure he knows if can't be a lot cooler, he needs to find another board. End of story. Thanks. Sorry to have messed you other guys up here.J

Thank you kindly!

 

[CommuterMan]

Thanks BNB for taking this to management

 

[BroadwayG]

Sent a list to Go Pack. Going to be out all day.

 

[Go Blue]

Sent a list to Go Pack. Going to be out all day.

Ut oh. I'm pretty sure Go Pack said he'd be gone this weekend. That's why he asked someone to do the thread with the latter rounds. I'll also be out most of the day or else I'd take lists.

 

[BroadwayG]

Sent a list to Go Pack. Going to be out all day.

Ut oh. I'm pretty sure Go Pack said he'd be gone this weekend. That's why he asked someone to do the thread with the latter rounds. I'll also be out most of the day or else I'd take lists.

rerouted list to lhucks

 

[Go Blue]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now. I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year. Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011. 4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year. Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

 

[Football Critic]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now. I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year. Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011. 4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year. Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

Ummm, so the gave up a ton to move up to pick 6 to get a WR when they already have a elite WR to....wait for it...RUN THE BALL? Ok, I'm glad I understand now.To say not a CHANCE is just odd, seeing as how everyone has a CHANCE.I notice you said only 5 did it last year, well 10 did it in 09', so whats your point? That anything can happen in any given season?

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now. I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year. Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011. 4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year. Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

oh holy balls batman. Rodgers had 3922 with 46 yds passing against Detroit in 1 of them. 3900+ since 2007. I have Ryan at 3900 but to say he doesn't even have a shot at the "great white whale" of 4000 is ridiculous. Any qb with talent and talented receivers has a decent shot at coming close see Carson Palmer 2010, Eli Manning X2, Hass, and Kitna.Name Yr PYTom Brady 2010 3900Drew Brees 2010 4620Eli Manning 2010 4002Peyton Manning 2010 4700Carson Palmer 2010 3970Philip Rivers 2010 4710Aaron Rodgers 2010 3922Matt Schaub 2010 4369Tom Brady 2009 4398Drew Brees 2009 4388Brett Favre 2009 4202Eli Manning 2009 4021Peyton Manning 2009 4500Philip Rivers 2009 4254Aaron Rodgers 2009 4434Roethlisberger 2009 4328Tony Romo 2009 4483Matt Schaub 2009 4770Drew Brees 2008 5069Jay Cutler 2008 4526Peyton Manning 2008 4002Donovan McNabb 2008 3916Philip Rivers 2008 4009Aaron Rodgers 2008 4038Kurt Warner 2008 4582Tom Brady 2007 4806Drew Brees 2007 4428Brett Favre 2007 4157Matt Hasselbeck 2007 3966Jon Kitna 2007 4068Peyton Manning 2007 4040Carson Palmer 2007 4131Tony Romo 2007 4211

 

[Go Blue]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now. I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year. Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011. 4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year. Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

Ummm, so the gave up a ton to move up to pick 6 to get a WR when they already have a elite WR to....wait for it...RUN THE BALL? Ok, I'm glad I understand now.To say not a CHANCE is just odd, seeing as how everyone has a CHANCE.I notice you said only 5 did it last year, well 10 did it in 09', so whats your point? That anything can happen in any given season?

Sorry I miss typed. I shouldn't have spoke in absolutes. Obviously there is a chance. He also has a chance at 40+ TD's. I wasn't trying to make it sound like 4000++ yards is an impossible feat, but apparently it came across that way. I was just saying it's definitely not the norm. I'm at a complete loss as to why you think the entire offensive philosophy of both Mike Smith and Mike Mularkey are going to change with the drafting of Julio Jones. They are conservative play callers, plain and simple. 5th most rushes in 2010, 11th most rushes in 2009 when their bell cow RB went down. 2nd most rushes in 2008. They are going to run the football and I don't care if they drafted Randy Moss in his prime. Did I mention that Julio Jones is also one of the best run blocking Wr's in this draft class. I doubt then even thought of that though. They must only be looking at how dynamic a playmaker he is. I doubt he takes away from anyone's piece of the pie. He's going to carve out his own slice and add it to Ryan's numbers this year. Atlanta obviously felt they are one piece away from being a Superbowl contender and paid a hefty price to get Jones. Ryan is a good player and Jones is a good player and I have not said otherwise. Jones is going to make Atlanta much tougher to defend for many reasons, but I fail to see how that changes the offensive play calling. My point was that 4000 yards does not come easy. I don't see Atlanta in many shootouts and they have a very conservative coach.

 

[Go Blue]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now. I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year. Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011. 4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year. Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

oh holy balls batman. Rodgers had 3922 with 46 yds passing against Detroit in 1 of them. 3900+ since 2007. I have Ryan at 3900 but to say he doesn't even have a shot at the "great white whale" of 4000 is ridiculous. Any qb with talent and talented receivers has a decent shot at coming close see Carson Palmer 2010, Eli Manning X2, Hass, and Kitna.Name Yr PYTom Brady 2010 3900Drew Brees 2010 4620Eli Manning 2010 4002Peyton Manning 2010 4700Carson Palmer 2010 3970Philip Rivers 2010 4710Aaron Rodgers 2010 3922Matt Schaub 2010 4369Tom Brady 2009 4398Drew Brees 2009 4388Brett Favre 2009 4202Eli Manning 2009 4021Peyton Manning 2009 4500Philip Rivers 2009 4254Aaron Rodgers 2009 4434Roethlisberger 2009 4328Tony Romo 2009 4483Matt Schaub 2009 4770Drew Brees 2008 5069Jay Cutler 2008 4526Peyton Manning 2008 4002Donovan McNabb 2008 3916Philip Rivers 2008 4009Aaron Rodgers 2008 4038Kurt Warner 2008 4582Tom Brady 2007 4806Drew Brees 2007 4428Brett Favre 2007 4157Matt Hasselbeck 2007 3966Jon Kitna 2007 4068Peyton Manning 2007 4040Carson Palmer 2007 4131Tony Romo 2007 4211

Thanks for the research, I do appreciate that. I wonder how many of these teams were top 7 in rushing attempts for the year. Since that is exactly where I feel Atlanta 2011 is going to be. I would not rule out top 3.

 

[BusMan]

QB - Eli Manning

QB - Jason Campbell

RB - Steven Jackson

RB - Marshawn Lynch

WR - Calvin Johnson

WR - Mike Wallace

WR - Arrelious Benn

WR - Terrell Owens

TE - Chris Cooley

TE - Jermaine Gresham

DEF - Dallas Cowboys

Good, not great. WRs are maybe slightly above average but no other positions stand out. Hopefully I'm crafting a slow and steady squad.

 

[Football Critic]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now.

I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year.

Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011.

4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year.

Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

oh holy balls batman. Rodgers had 3922 with 46 yds passing against Detroit in 1 of them. 3900+ since 2007.

I have Ryan at 3900 but to say he doesn't even have a shot at the "great white whale" of 4000 is ridiculous. Any qb with talent and talented receivers has a decent shot at coming close see Carson Palmer 2010, Eli Manning X2, Hass, and Kitna.

Name Yr PY

Tom Brady 2010 3900

Drew Brees 2010 4620

Eli Manning 2010 4002

Peyton Manning 2010 4700

Carson Palmer 2010 3970

Philip Rivers 2010 4710

Aaron Rodgers 2010 3922

Matt Schaub 2010 4369

Tom Brady 2009 4398

Drew Brees 2009 4388

Brett Favre 2009 4202

Eli Manning 2009 4021

Peyton Manning 2009 4500

Philip Rivers 2009 4254

Aaron Rodgers 2009 4434

Roethlisberger 2009 4328

Tony Romo 2009 4483

Matt Schaub 2009 4770

Drew Brees 2008 5069

Jay Cutler 2008 4526

Peyton Manning 2008 4002

Donovan McNabb 2008 3916

Philip Rivers 2008 4009

Aaron Rodgers 2008 4038

Kurt Warner 2008 4582

Tom Brady 2007 4806

Drew Brees 2007 4428

Brett Favre 2007 4157

Matt Hasselbeck 2007 3966

Jon Kitna 2007 4068

Peyton Manning 2007 4040

Carson Palmer 2007 4131

Tony Romo 2007 4211

Thanks for the research, I do appreciate that. I wonder how many of these teams were top 7 in rushing attempts for the year. Since that is exactly where I feel Atlanta 2011 is going to be. I would not rule out top 3.

Its funny the number you stop at, only 1 in the top seven in rushing attempts on the board (bolded). But if you look at it a little deeper, Nawlins jumped from 26th (398) in 08' to 7th (468) 09' in attempts, and Brees still lit it up. Yet dropped from 7th to 30th with 380 attempts in 10'. My point is anything can happen.Also if you like, heres Atlantas rushing attempts last few years.

07' - 29th (385)

08' - 2nd (560)

09' - 11th (451)

10' - 5th (497)

If you notice the attempts are always all over the place, cause you can never really say what injuries or coaching or how the games play out into this factor. And if you notice, the attempts went down since Ryan was a rookie, and his stats went up in 10' even with the attempts going up in 10'. Although this was fun to look at, I still feel it does not play a part as much, bacause anything can happen on any given Sunday. I think its odd none the less to just say that something is not possible, when it is really is possible and he is so close.

 

[Go Blue]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now.

I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year.

Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011.

4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year.

Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

oh holy balls batman. Rodgers had 3922 with 46 yds passing against Detroit in 1 of them. 3900+ since 2007.

I have Ryan at 3900 but to say he doesn't even have a shot at the "great white whale" of 4000 is ridiculous. Any qb with talent and talented receivers has a decent shot at coming close see Carson Palmer 2010, Eli Manning X2, Hass, and Kitna.

Name Yr PY

Tom Brady 2010 3900

Drew Brees 2010 4620

Eli Manning 2010 4002

Peyton Manning 2010 4700

Carson Palmer 2010 3970

Philip Rivers 2010 4710

Aaron Rodgers 2010 3922

Matt Schaub 2010 4369

Tom Brady 2009 4398

Drew Brees 2009 4388

Brett Favre 2009 4202

Eli Manning 2009 4021

Peyton Manning 2009 4500

Philip Rivers 2009 4254

Aaron Rodgers 2009 4434

Roethlisberger 2009 4328

Tony Romo 2009 4483

Matt Schaub 2009 4770

Drew Brees 2008 5069

Jay Cutler 2008 4526

Peyton Manning 2008 4002

Donovan McNabb 2008 3916

Philip Rivers 2008 4009

Aaron Rodgers 2008 4038

Kurt Warner 2008 4582

Tom Brady 2007 4806

Drew Brees 2007 4428

Brett Favre 2007 4157

Matt Hasselbeck 2007 3966

Jon Kitna 2007 4068

Peyton Manning 2007 4040

Carson Palmer 2007 4131

Tony Romo 2007 4211

Thanks for the research, I do appreciate that. I wonder how many of these teams were top 7 in rushing attempts for the year. Since that is exactly where I feel Atlanta 2011 is going to be. I would not rule out top 3.

Its funny the number you stop at, only 1 in the top seven in rushing attempts on the board (bolded). But if you look at it a little deeper, Nawlins jumped from 26th (398) in 08' to 7th (468) 09' in attempts, and Brees still lit it up. Yet dropped from 7th to 30th with 380 attempts in 10'. My point is anything can happen.Also if you like, heres Atlantas rushing attempts last few years.

07' - 29th (385)

08' - 2nd (560)

09' - 11th (451)

10' - 5th (497)

If you notice the attempts are always all over the place, cause you can never really say what injuries or coaching or how the games play out into this factor. And if you notice, the attempts went down since Ryan was a rookie, and his stats went up in 10' even with the attempts going up in 10'. Although this was fun to look at, I still feel it does not play a part as much, bacause anything can happen on any given Sunday. I think its odd none the less to just say that something is not possible, when it is really is possible and he is so close.

I thought it was obvious, but the reason I didn't include 07' when Atlanta was 29th in rushing attempts was because Mike Smith was not the coach that year. Most of my arguement was because of the offensive philosophy in Atlanta. Smith started coaching in 08 and that is where I started the numbers.

So even when you average in 09 when Turner went down, Atlanta averages the 6th most rushing attempts per year under Mike Smith. Of all the 4000+ yard passers since 2007, only one has had a team in the top 6 in rushing attempts. I don't have a cystal ball, but I'm thinking Atlanta finishes in the top 6 again this year. Hell, I hope Matt Ryan throws for 4500 yards because I own either Ryan or White on a couple teams. With that said, history tells us he probably won't hit 4000.

I will say I do agree with Critic on, "Anything can happen". There is no doubt about that. That's why we play the games. Atlanta's defense might go into the tank and force Ryan to win games. He is fully capable of doing that and the fantasy stats will show it.

 

[LHUCKS]

QB - Eli ManningQB - Jason CampbellRB - Steven JacksonRB - Marshawn LynchWR - Calvin JohnsonWR - Mike WallaceWR - Arrelious BennWR - Terrell OwensTE - Chris CooleyTE - Jermaine GreshamDEF - Dallas CowboysGood, not great. WRs are maybe slightly above average but no other positions stand out. Hopefully I'm crafting a slow and steady squad.

You've got good RBs IMHO.

 

[Football Critic]

All I got from you is "they play in domes and will air it out." I set up a softball on a tee, handed you a gigantic wiffle ball bat, and you hit yourself in the head.

I've been saying out of this, but I actually laughed out loud at this, so I have to respond now.

I love Ryan's upside. I'm pretty sure everyone feels the same there. With that said, I also don't think there is a chance he reaches 4000 yards this year.

Mike Smith loves to run the ball. Everyone that says Turner is in decline are just not Turner fans. He ONLY has 1117 carries for his career. He's far from wore down. A healthy Turner is getting 320+ carries again in 2011.

4000 passing yards is not some number that is easy to hit in the NFL. We only had 5 QB's do it last year and Eli was only 2 yards over. I know he missed a game, but I'm just going off the numbers. Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady passed for 4000 yards last year.

Atlanta's defense is good enough to not be in many shootouts, so I don't think Ryan will be airing it out. Two games vs. Carolina, and T.B, plus games against Minnesota, Jax., Tennessee, Washington and Arizona. I see run, run and run somemore.

oh holy balls batman. Rodgers had 3922 with 46 yds passing against Detroit in 1 of them. 3900+ since 2007.

I have Ryan at 3900 but to say he doesn't even have a shot at the "great white whale" of 4000 is ridiculous. Any qb with talent and talented receivers has a decent shot at coming close see Carson Palmer 2010, Eli Manning X2, Hass, and Kitna.

Name Yr PY

Tom Brady 2010 3900

Drew Brees 2010 4620

Eli Manning 2010 4002

Peyton Manning 2010 4700

Carson Palmer 2010 3970

Philip Rivers 2010 4710

Aaron Rodgers 2010 3922

Matt Schaub 2010 4369

Tom Brady 2009 4398

Drew Brees 2009 4388

Brett Favre 2009 4202

Eli Manning 2009 4021

Peyton Manning 2009 4500

Philip Rivers 2009 4254

Aaron Rodgers 2009 4434

Roethlisberger 2009 4328

Tony Romo 2009 4483

Matt Schaub 2009 4770

Drew Brees 2008 5069

Jay Cutler 2008 4526

Peyton Manning 2008 4002

Donovan McNabb 2008 3916

Philip Rivers 2008 4009

Aaron Rodgers 2008 4038

Kurt Warner 2008 4582

Tom Brady 2007 4806

Drew Brees 2007 4428

Brett Favre 2007 4157

Matt Hasselbeck 2007 3966

Jon Kitna 2007 4068

Peyton Manning 2007 4040

Carson Palmer 2007 4131

Tony Romo 2007 4211

Thanks for the research, I do appreciate that. I wonder how many of these teams were top 7 in rushing attempts for the year. Since that is exactly where I feel Atlanta 2011 is going to be. I would not rule out top 3.

Its funny the number you stop at, only 1 in the top seven in rushing attempts on the board (bolded). But if you look at it a little deeper, Nawlins jumped from 26th (398) in 08' to 7th (468) 09' in attempts, and Brees still lit it up. Yet dropped from 7th to 30th with 380 attempts in 10'. My point is anything can happen.Also if you like, heres Atlantas rushing attempts last few years.

07' - 29th (385)

08' - 2nd (560)

09' - 11th (451)

10' - 5th (497)

If you notice the attempts are always all over the place, cause you can never really say what injuries or coaching or how the games play out into this factor. And if you notice, the attempts went down since Ryan was a rookie, and his stats went up in 10' even with the attempts going up in 10'. Although this was fun to look at, I still feel it does not play a part as much, bacause anything can happen on any given Sunday. I think its odd none the less to just say that something is not possible, when it is really is possible and he is so close.

I thought it was obvious, but the reason I didn't include 07' when Atlanta was 29th in rushing attempts was because Mike Smith was not the coach that year. Most of my arguement was because of the offensive philosophy in Atlanta. Smith started coaching in 08 and that is where I started the numbers.

So even when you average in 09 when Turner went down, Atlanta averages the 6th most rushing attempts per year under Mike Smith. Of all the 4000+ yard passers since 2007, only one has had a team in the top 6 in rushing attempts. I don't have a cystal ball, but I'm thinking Atlanta finishes in the top 6 again this year. Hell, I hope Matt Ryan throws for 4500 yards because I own either Ryan or White on a couple teams. With that said, history tells us he probably won't hit 4000.

I will say I do agree with Critic on, "Anything can happen". There is no doubt about that. That's why we play the games. Atlanta's defense might go into the tank and force Ryan to win games. He is fully capable of doing that and the fantasy stats will show it.

Thats been my point, he is a teir 1 QB who is highley capable of throwing for 4,000. So what was the debate about then?

 

[BroadwayG]

Thats been my point, he is a teir 1 QB who is highley capable of throwing for 4,000. So what was the debate about then?

The debate is that Atlanta's system simply is not set up for a 4,000 yard passer. They've been extremely successful running an efficient ball control offense. They dominated the NFC last year, while ranked 30th in yards per completion. Why in the world would they significantly alter their offensive philosophy?

 

[Football Critic]

Thats been my point, he is a teir 1 QB who is highley capable of throwing for 4,000. So what was the debate about then?

The debate is that Atlanta's system simply is not set up for a 4,000 yard passer. They've been extremely successful running an efficient ball control offense. They dominated the NFC last year, while ranked 30th in yards per completion. Why in the world would they significantly alter their offensive philosophy?

Why did they trade a ton to move up to pick 6 to take a WR in Julio Jones?

 

[BroadwayG]

Why did they trade a ton to move up to pick 6 to take a WR in Julio Jones?

Because they are dumb.

 

[Norseman]

Why did they trade a ton to move up to pick 6 to take a WR in Julio Jones?

Because they are dumb.

To open up the running game.

 

[gandalas]

NEW THREAD for picks from rounds 12 - 20, as well as listings of rosters for all teams:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=593039

 

[CommuterMan]

NEW THREAD for picks from rounds 12 - 20, as well as listings of rosters for all teams:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=593039

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