Super Bowl LVII ****Kansas City vs Philadelphia**** KC 38...PHI 35 Chiefs are World Champions!!! (3 Viewers)

[Stinkin Ref]

If you let them play for 58 minutes, you have to let them play for the last 2.

All I need to see now is a video complication of all of those alleged non-calls and I’ll be square on your side of this debate.

It’s a strong allegation - should be easy to prove if it went down as folks are asserting.

Well, its probably too early for that but here is the one that was Not called that was mentioned earlier. This seems more egregious than the contact made on the 3rd down play-he pulls his arm and twists his body as the ball is getting to him. There were others that I recall on both teams-nothing insane, just some contact. And to be clear that is fine-I prefer to let them play. I thought they called a good game for most of the game, just dropped the ball at the end. You're free to disagree.

I remember watching that in real time thinking Juju fell down and the defender didn’t pull him down so it was a good non-call for DPI. At the time I thought the official made the correct non-call.

But that’s not a holding penalty. Apples & oranges, and has nothing to do with Bradberry’s hold, which is clear on replay.

The penalties are judged differently. WR & defenders hand-fight all the time. I see nothing in the Juju replay you posted that shows any sort of holding, or that the defender interferes with/caused Juju to go to the ground. Also, Juju initiated the contact. lol

Strange example. Definitely doesn’t help prove or disprove anything about Bradberry’s hold.

Apples and oranges?

It's textbook holding as JuJu is coming out of his break. It wasn't called, and JuJu freaked out after the play because he knew it was. It was a more blatant and impactful tug than what happened late.

Contrast JuJu's tantrum after that play to the lack of a reaction after the play at the end of the game. You'd think he'd have gone crazy then too if he had really felt or been impacted by being held on such an important play. But he didn't. Why? Because he didn't think he had anything to complain about.

It's gotten to be a pointless disagreement because the game is over, the call was made, and the Chiefs won. If it was that simple, it wouldn't be so controversial today by so many people who had no rooting interest other than to see a great ending to a great game that should've been decided by the players.

or ...maybe he knows who the ref is that is tasked with watching his matchup and he saw the ref reaching for and pulling the trigger on the foul as he ran by.....

 

[renesauz]

For the record, I haven't seen one Eagles fan blame the ref for the lose. The consensus is placing the blame squarely on the DC. The call sucked, but its not why they lost.

Also, yes Bradberry blames himself but there was more to his quote. To paraphrase, he said that based on what was being called throughout the playoffs he didn't think that would be flagged - that the refs weren't calling it that tight.

I see it everywhere here in this thread

Not sure WTF you've looking at. Chaka has been the only one blaming the ref, and he's not even an Eagles fan. MOST of us, and most of the non Eagles fans as well, acknowledged it was technically correct but soft, especially given the context...and most have placed the blame on the failure of the eagles D line to get home

 

[Stinkin Ref]

It's textbook holding as JuJu is coming out of his break. It wasn't called, and JuJu freaked out after the play because he knew it was. It was a more blatant and impactful tug than what happened late.

The link you shared literally calls it a “missed DPI”

It’s not remotely holding.

Still, I find it to be a weird argument that since Bradberry got away with one penalty earlier in the game he should have gotten away with another later on.

That's not the argument.

Its not about Bradberry getting away with it earlier. It's that everyone had gotten away with it the entire game unless you believe no one held or committed pass interference beforehand except for one WR. No defenders were called for holding and no offensive linemen were either. And then, on one play, they decided to call it.

Then again, maybe everyone on both teams played a perfectfly clean game for 58 minutes lol.

you keep taking the time to post this but then say you are actually too lazy to find other examples.....

 

[GoBirds]

It's a big moment for the officials also and they actually start to see things as slower than normal due to their own adrenaline. I'm sure that hold looked bigger than **** to the ref who threw the flag. I'm sorry, but the human nature of subjective fouls (like defensive holding) lends itself to this kind of call in a huge moment because officials are humans with emotions and adrenaline as well. It's

I’ll add to this that if the ref who made the call believed that it was holding (which Bradberry admitted to, so hard to assume anything else) then what people are *actually* asking for here is a deliberate non-call by an official who both witnessed, and believed enough holding happened to throw the flag.

Which he did.

Imagine the outrage if he’d come out after the game and said, “I definitely saw the hold. It was right in front of me. I thought there was enough there, but due to the situation I decided to not call it &’ swallowed my whistle”.

And then if Bradberry came out and said “yep, I was holding. Sure am glad I got away with that one - it might have cost us the game.”

Just sayin - that sword is sharp on both sides.

this 100%....many need to read this like 10 times and it might finally sink in.....

Imagine if he’d swallowed his whistle & the Eagles came back to win it.

I’m sure everyone would be super calm about it and not, you know, talk about it literally forever.

No one would have noticed, Smith-Shuster didn’t even notice!

 

[renesauz]

This is not sour grapes; the Eagles deserved to lose. But the holding call at the end of the game was a ****ing travesty. The refs set the tempo of what they would or would not call for the entire game and there NO flags in the second half. To throw a flag at that moment on such a ticky tack foul when they were not all game was just ****ed. I think we absolutely could have gone the field with 1:45 left and kicked a FG or maybe even scored a TD. But here's the thing, if we get the ball and the Eagles go 3 and out, okay. We had a shot and the Chiefs D did their job. I can swallow that loss. This loss I can't. They basically took away any chance for the Eagles to mount one last drive and put it on the defense to stop us. It was beyond egregious..

Both teams had a drive eliminated by the officiating and the Chiefs drive was more egregious. It was just in the 1st half and they won, so hardly anyone is talking about it.

Some great/classic ending was all we were robbed of, but the call was a 60/40 call that gets made more often than not throughout the season.

It's a big moment for the officials also and they actually start to see things as slower than normal due to their own adrenaline. I'm sure that hold looked bigger than **** to the ref who threw the flag. I'm sorry, but the human nature of subjective fouls (like defensive holding) lends itself to this kind of call in a huge moment because officials are humans with emotions and adrenaline as well. It's the biggest game of their careers, so just like a player who may slightly miss a throw/catch/shot, etc. because they are too excited or caught up in the moment, a ref can miss a call because they are too excited. I'm sure in retrospect after watching film he wishes he'd let it go, but it was a justifiable penalty and he saw enough at the time to throw the flag. He likely asked the sideline official and back judge what they thought here, but if no one took him off it he had enough to stick with the call.

It's not egregious or a travesty, its just an unfortunate case of humanity in a game played and officiated by humans.

I think the thing that too many people forget is that the officials are part of the humanity of sports. They aren't a faceless robot with no skin in the game, but humans doing their very best (at least the majority of the time and certainly at this level). To err is human and all....

Very true. I have a friend who was an SEC ref for many years. Said when doing the SEC championship or LSU-Bama at night in LSU, or any big game where there is emotions flowing over that he himself feels it, feels the emotion on the field, feels the pressure of making or not making a call. Said it is almost like playing as you don`t want to make a mistake that will cost a team a chance to win. Like he always told me, "you call what you see" and thats it.

I would be willing to bet after watching the tape that ref might not make the same call, but that can happen at every moment of the game. Just think if the second fumble return was not overtured, the whole game changes.

Have seen this a couple times now, and frankly a little surprised. Honestly thought that overturn was kind of a no brainer. He never made a move and was hit immediately. To rule it incomplete was absolutely consistent with what has been called all year in the NFL. (It's a fair discussion/opinion to think it should be a fumble, but an unfair one to presume it was per the current rules/interpretations)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This legit made me laugh out loud.

https://twitter.com/TeamJuJu/status/1625590293306445824?t=rT9Y8Xu4thyfcv1OaScxiw&s=19

Saw that a little while ago & lol’d

AJ Brown responded

https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1625604922388492290?t=2Kkr_0n7E5IKwjyy1ZGUYw&s=19

RG3’s response & lol again

https://twitter.com/rgiii/status/1625611527741906950?s=46&t=-l5M_QlV-XSgHfsUTXejtw

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is not sour grapes; the Eagles deserved to lose. But the holding call at the end of the game was a ****ing travesty. The refs set the tempo of what they would or would not call for the entire game and there NO flags in the second half. To throw a flag at that moment on such a ticky tack foul when they were not all game was just ****ed. I think we absolutely could have gone the field with 1:45 left and kicked a FG or maybe even scored a TD. But here's the thing, if we get the ball and the Eagles go 3 and out, okay. We had a shot and the Chiefs D did their job. I can swallow that loss. This loss I can't. They basically took away any chance for the Eagles to mount one last drive and put it on the defense to stop us. It was beyond egregious..

Both teams had a drive eliminated by the officiating and the Chiefs drive was more egregious. It was just in the 1st half and they won, so hardly anyone is talking about it.

Some great/classic ending was all we were robbed of, but the call was a 60/40 call that gets made more often than not throughout the season.

It's a big moment for the officials also and they actually start to see things as slower than normal due to their own adrenaline. I'm sure that hold looked bigger than **** to the ref who threw the flag. I'm sorry, but the human nature of subjective fouls (like defensive holding) lends itself to this kind of call in a huge moment because officials are humans with emotions and adrenaline as well. It's the biggest game of their careers, so just like a player who may slightly miss a throw/catch/shot, etc. because they are too excited or caught up in the moment, a ref can miss a call because they are too excited. I'm sure in retrospect after watching film he wishes he'd let it go, but it was a justifiable penalty and he saw enough at the time to throw the flag. He likely asked the sideline official and back judge what they thought here, but if no one took him off it he had enough to stick with the call.

It's not egregious or a travesty, its just an unfortunate case of humanity in a game played and officiated by humans.

I think the thing that too many people forget is that the officials are part of the humanity of sports. They aren't a faceless robot with no skin in the game, but humans doing their very best (at least the majority of the time and certainly at this level). To err is human and all....

Very true. I have a friend who was an SEC ref for many years. Said when doing the SEC championship or LSU-Bama at night in LSU, or any big game where there is emotions flowing over that he himself feels it, feels the emotion on the field, feels the pressure of making or not making a call. Said it is almost like playing as you don`t want to make a mistake that will cost a team a chance to win. Like he always told me, "you call what you see" and thats it.

I would be willing to bet after watching the tape that ref might not make the same call, but that can happen at every moment of the game. Just think if the second fumble return was not overtured, the whole game changes.

Have seen this a couple times now, and frankly a little surprised. Honestly thought that overturn was kind of a no brainer. He never made a move and was hit immediately. To rule it incomplete was absolutely consistent with what has been called all year in the NFL. (It's a fair discussion/opinion to think it should be a fumble, but an unfair one to presume it was per the current rules/interpretations)

Yep, 1 foot, then kapow!

Holy didn’t complete the process, Batman!

 

[Amused to Death]

Have seen this a couple times now, and frankly a little surprised. Honestly thought that overturn was kind of a no brainer. He never made a move and was hit immediately. To rule it incomplete was absolutely consistent with what has been called all year in the NFL. (It's a fair discussion/opinion to think it should be a fumble, but an unfair one to presume it was per the current rules/interpretations)

In real time I said that wasn't a catch. Seemed obvious but I guess the right thing to do is to let playout and let replay correct it. But it was an obvious incompletion by today's standards.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Dont show that AJB tweet to Kelce

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Have seen this a couple times now, and frankly a little surprised. Honestly thought that overturn was kind of a no brainer. He never made a move and was hit immediately. To rule it incomplete was absolutely consistent with what has been called all year in the NFL. (It's a fair discussion/opinion to think it should be a fumble, but an unfair one to presume it was per the current rules/interpretations)

In real time I said that wasn't a catch. Seemed obvious but I guess the right thing to do is to let playout and let replay correct it. But it was an obvious incompletion by today's standards.

Agreed on this one. I was glad they let it play out though. That’s been one of my criticisms of the league in recent years too. Too many times they’ve blown it dead only to reverse it on the field & rob a team of a DTD.

 

[zeke2222]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

 

[efactor]

This legit made me laugh out loud.

https://twitter.com/TeamJuJu/status/1625590293306445824?t=rT9Y8Xu4thyfcv1OaScxiw&s=19

Saw that a little while ago & lol’d

AJ Brown responded

https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1625604922388492290?t=2Kkr_0n7E5IKwjyy1ZGUYw&s=19

I know I'm old, but am I the only one who had to read this 5 times before I absorbed the meaning of the tweet?

A lot of truth there once I comprehended

 

[ProstheticRGK]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

Keep telling urself that. And keep telling urself Jerruh has a plan! You have the whole offseason to convince urself it’s true

 

[jhib]

I was surprised at how much I agreed with all the calls/non-calls I saw during the game, including the overturned fumble and the sideline catches. There was only one obvious penalty I remember thinking they missed (earlier Bradberry DPI and maybe another hold on same play). And the one penalty I disagreed with but could come around if I see a good replay is the 4th down neutral zone infraction on the Chiefs where it looked like the defender got back in time and the Olineman movement was just to point him out afterwards and not an immediate reaction. And that was a huge call, too, but I guess it was too early in the game, so the circumstances don't merit any discussion. ( Or it was just an obvious correct call and I'm a dummy. Possible.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chaka has been the only one blaming the ref,

“Worst call in Super Bowl history” apparently.

 

[GoBirds]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

Are those Cowboy tears of bitterness Zeke?

 

[bostonfred]

If your team is really better it should never come down to one call. Win the freaking game or go home

This isn't about which team should have won. I don't care who won. I don't like either team, i didn't bet anything, didn't have any pools or squares I was just watching a game.

There was a massive conflict of interest with 70 percent of the money coming in on the Bengals and eagles. Both games were competitive and both ended with ticky tack calls in the final drive that absolutely did decide the outcomes.

You can argue that the Bengals and eagles should have done more earlier to win the game but to me this isn't about sour grapes over who won. Lots of teams have benefitted from or been hurt by calls in the playoffs and I generally say what you said.

This was different. These weren't just big calls, they were both game-deciding calls, in both games, with enormous money on both sides. Calls that you don't expect to get made where they were. Whether you agree or disagree with the calls, or believe that the best team won, or even that the plays were penalties, is all irrelevant.

In back to bsck games, one person with a whistle made a judgement call and it decided the outcome in a way that won Vegas money. I don't have faith that the league will do anything to address the conduct of interest. And it has shaken my interest in the NFL going forward

Like most Pats Championships. **** happens.

This isn't about Fandom. This is about the NFL breaking decades of not having a team in Vegas or officially supporting gambling. That changed two years ago and we just watched billions of dollars decided on two end of game calls. Regardless of what you thought about the outcome that should be concerning.

you realize by saying this that you are basically saying the ref that threw that flag was somehow "on the take"....is that what you are accusing THAT ref of being.....?

No, I'm not accusing the ref of anything. I'm saying the NFL should never have gotten in bed with Vegas because now they have a direct conflict of interest where their business partners make billions of dollars when something like this happens.

Whether I believe that the ref did anything wrong is irrelevant. The NFL and its lawyers argued for decades that supporting gambling would hurt their brand. This is how it hurt their brand. Turn on any sports show on Monday and all people were talking about was that flag. And a lot of people weren't just arguing about the call, but questioning the motive. Brand erosion is a thing and it's happening

 

[ChiefD]

No, I'm not accusing the ref of anything. I'm saying the NFL should never have gotten in bed with Vegas because now they have a direct conflict of interest where their business partners make billions of dollars when something like this happens.

Whether I believe that the ref did anything wrong is irrelevant. The NFL and its lawyers argued for decades that supporting gambling would hurt their brand. This is how it hurt their brand. Turn on any sports show on Monday and all people were talking about was that flag. And a lot of people weren't just arguing about the call, but questioning the motive. Brand erosion is a thing and it's happening

agree with this 100%

 

[belljr]

At least everyone here is more calm and rational about it than this dude.

Sad part is they were going to return that TV. Stickers still on it

 

[Cowboysfan8]

There's no controversy with the individual ref. It's with the league in general. No consistency. Let holding go the whole game then call it to end the game.

Did they? Or were calls missed because they weren't seen because the defenders were more subtle about it?

Do you think this referee so this same penalty multiple times and let it go, only to call this one?

yes? There are always times where holds go unflagged, basically every play in the trenches. Just Win Baby pointed out a specific one that was more egregious than this one. Whatever, again its not why they lost, but at the end of one of the better Super Bowls I've ever watched, the game (and the Eagles season) gets decided by a ref calling a penalty that was highly questionable and had been allowed a bunch earlier in the game. Its akin to an ump establishing a tight strike zone throughout the game and then in the bottom of the ninth calling strikes below the knees. Its just not how the last game of the year should be decided.

Link

But did the officials treat Bradberry's play the same way they had treated the first three-plus quarters of the game?

"I think so," the veteran defensive back said. "They were pretty consistent for the most part. I just can't be blatant with it."

/case closed

If some one wants to believe the refs purposely let every holding call go before in the game and waited to call one in the last two minutes to screw the Eagles, fair enough.

God bless the officials imo

 

[Mister CIA]

Have not kept up, but has anyone re-upped this twwet from a couple of weeks ago?

https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1619894018024026113?s=20&t=aDX4zduj1qRQi5MZsQHVPg

 

[CGRdrJoe]

At least everyone here is more calm and rational about it than this dude.

Sad part is they were going to return that TV. Stickers still on it

yeah, completely fake. he’s a “comedian” and people are giving him clicks

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

At least everyone here is more calm and rational about it than this dude.

Sad part is they were going to return that TV. Stickers still on it

yeah, completely fake. he’s a “comedian” and people are giving him clicks

I mean, he really destroyed a television, so it's not "completely" fake.

 

[The Big Donkey]

enjoyed the game. see you next year eagles.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

Are those Cowboy tears of bitterness Zeke?

Someone said something that wasn’t flattering about the eagles.
Eagles fans respond by bashing Dallas and their fans.

How many days in a row is this now?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

At least everyone here is more calm and rational about it than this dude.

Sad part is they were going to return that TV. Stickers still on it

yeah, completely fake. he’s a “comedian” and people are giving him clicks

I mean, he really destroyed a television, so it's not "completely" fake.

a 200 dollar tv that he probably returned so that he can try and get tik tok money

 

[Summer Wheat]

I want to know what kind of drugs were injected into Mahomes ankle at half because I need some.

Mahomes was screaming and crying on sideline, hopping around like a cripple on one leg, then was running like Mike Vick after the half.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Toradol, likely. and not in the ankle

 

[Ghost Rider]

I want to know what kind of drugs were injected into Mahomes ankle at half because I need some.

Mahomes was screaming and crying on sideline, hopping around like a cripple on one leg, then was running like Mike Vick after the half.

Adrenaline is a crazy thing.

Way back in the day when I was tending bar, I had to work the day after dropping a bottle of wine on my foot to where it felt like my big toe was broken (amazingly, it wasn't, but it looked like someone had hit it with a sledgehammer). I didn't know how I was going to be able to work and move fast, but I thought, "I will gut it out and see how it goes." Naturally, it ended up being busy as hell and before I knew it I was moving at my normal quick speed in making drinks and flying up and down the bar to get to the guests. My mind blocked out the pain because I had to move fast and it was like my toe was fine. Now, a football player playing against other athletes when he has a high ankle sprain is obviously a lot different than me husting drinks with a nearly-fractured big toe, but it's amazing what the human body is capable of sometimes.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I want to know what kind of drugs were injected into Mahomes ankle at half because I need some.

Mahomes was screaming and crying on sideline, hopping around like a cripple on one leg, then was running like Mike Vick after the half.

Guaranteed they shot him up with toradol.

Dude clearly aggregated the high ankle. He could barely put any pressure on it & after half *poof*! he’s busting 20+ yard scrambled.

Orrrrrr….he was faking it so they wouldn’t spy him.

Which would be very, very smart.

 

[BassNBrew]

I want to know what kind of drugs were injected into Mahomes ankle at half because I need some.

Mahomes was screaming and crying on sideline, hopping around like a cripple on one leg, then was running like Mike Vick after the half.

I'm sure he got some juice, but he did run off the field at half time and looked good then.

 

[The Frankman]

They gave Patrick Mahomes the finest American drugs known to man... Percoset, Vicodin, Toradol, molly, that super restorative IV drip with the limited edition "chicken and mashed potatoes" flavor...

Also Juju styay being an absolute clown. I thought he had finally humbled himself in KC after being crap for years/being carried by Antonio Brown. Looks like he was just waiting for his chance to be a troll.

 

[BobbyLayne]

And the one penalty I disagreed with but could come around if I see a good replay is the 4th down neutral zone infraction on the Chiefs where it looked like the defender got back in time and the Olineman movement was just to point him out afterwards and not an immediate reaction.

Saw this same complaint in game but the rule is any offensive reaction caused by the neutral zone infraction negates the play immediately. That's why lineman have been trained to point or tap the helmet of the defender. Doesn't matter if he got back. If he gets back and there is no reaction, it's not a foul.

Spoiler: neutral zone infraction

NEUTRAL ZONE INFRACTION

It is a Neutral Zone Infraction when:

1. a defender moves beyond the neutral zone prior to the snap and is parallel to or beyond an offensive lineman, with an unimpeded path to the quarterback or kicker, even though no contact is made by a blocker; officials are to blow their whistles immediately
2. a defender enters the neutral zone prior to the snap, causing the offensive player(s) in close proximity (including a quarterback who is under center) to react (move) immediately to protect himself (themselves) against impending contact; officials are to blow their whistles immediately. If there is no immediate reaction by the offensive player(s) in close proximity, and the defensive player returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent, there is no foul. A flexed or split receiver is considered to be in close proximity if he is lined up on the side of the ball on which the violation occurs; other offensive players are considered to be in close proximity if they are within two-and-one-half positions of the defender who enters the neutral zone. If the defender is directly over the center, a quarterback under center, the center, and the guards and tackles on both sides of the center are considered to be within close proximity; if the defender is in a gap, the two offensive players on either side of the gap are considered to be within close proximity (including a quarterback under center, if applicable)
3. a player, after he has received a warning, enters into the neutral zone. It is a foul, even if he returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent or causing a reaction (movement) by an offensive player in close proximity.

edit - word

 

[fred_1_15301]

At least everyone here is more calm and rational about it than this dude.

Sad part is they were going to return that TV. Stickers still on it

Personally I think that dude should get a contract somewhere. That’s some serious passion.

 

[renesauz]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

breaks and luck? They blew out almost every opponent.

I don't get this one at all

 

[jhib]

And the one penalty I disagreed with but could come around if I see a good replay is the 4th down neutral zone infraction on the Chiefs where it looked like the defender got back in time and the Olineman movement was just to point him out afterwards and not an immediate reaction.

Saw this same complaint in game but the rule is any offensive reaction caused by the neutral zone infraction negates the play immediately. That's why lineman have been trained to point or tap the helmet of the defender. Doesn't matter if he got back. If he gets back and there is no reaction, it's not a foul.

Spoiler: neutral zone infraction

NEUTRAL ZONE INFRACTION

It is a Neutral Zone Infraction when:

1. a defender moves beyond the neutral zone prior to the snap and is parallel to or beyond an offensive lineman, with an unimpeded path to the quarterback or kicker, even though no contact is made by a blocker; officials are to blow their whistles immediately
2. a defender enters the neutral zone prior to the snap, causing the offensive player(s) in close proximity (including a quarterback who is under center) to react (move) immediately to protect himself (themselves) against impending contact; officials are to blow their whistles immediately. If there is no immediate reaction by the offensive player(s) in close proximity, and the defensive player returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent, there is no foul. A flexed or split receiver is considered to be in close proximity if he is lined up on the side of the ball on which the violation occurs; other offensive players are considered to be in close proximity if they are within two-and-one-half positions of the defender who enters the neutral zone. If the defender is directly over the center, a quarterback under center, the center, and the guards and tackles on both sides of the center are considered to be within close proximity; if the defender is in a gap, the two offensive players on either side of the gap are considered to be within close proximity (including a quarterback under center, if applicable)
3. a player, after he has received a warning, enters into the neutral zone. It is a foul, even if he returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent or causing a reaction (movement) by an offensive player in close proximity.

edit - word

Yeah, I think the important (and apparently subjective) word here is "immediately." The rule doesn't say "any offensive reaction," but immediate reaction made to protect himself. If the OL moves immediately and then points, that's another story, but what I remember seeing is not an immediate protective reaction, but the first reaction being delayed and starting with the pointing.

 

[jhib]

Finally saw a good replay, and I change my mind. Even though the first reaction seemed to be the pointing, it was more immediate than I thought.
The defender also doesn't seem to even break the blue line showing the original line of scrimmage, but Kelce had moved the ball a full length further, basically re-establishing the neutral zone. I realize this happens all the time, though, and unless a completely over-the-top change, the defenders are expected to adjust.

 

[modogg]

fun times with that penalty to Bradberry:


Jeff Howe

@jeffphowe


Referee Carl Cheffers' crews had gone 576 consecutive snaps without calling a defensive holding penalty before the decisive Super Bowl flag. Last called in Bills-Bears on Dec. 24. Nothing in Packers-Vikings, Eagles-Giants, Bengals Bills before the late James Bradberry penalty.

 

[jhib]

This was some surprisingly interesting nerdy sod talk about the field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKDmFnONtrE

 

[Lehigh98]

fun times with that penalty to Bradberry:

Jeff Howe
@jeffphowe


Referee Carl Cheffers' crews had gone 576 consecutive snaps without calling a defensive holding penalty before the decisive Super Bowl flag. Last called in Bills-Bears on Dec. 24. Nothing in Packers-Vikings, Eagles-Giants, Bengals Bills before the late James Bradberry penalty.

Pretty impressive streak of never holding during that stretch by all those defenders.

 

[ChiefD]

Watching the parade now at work.

It's on NFL Network if anyone cares.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

fun times with that penalty to Bradberry:

Jeff Howe
@jeffphowe


Referee Carl Cheffers' crews had gone 576 consecutive snaps without calling a defensive holding penalty before the decisive Super Bowl flag. Last called in Bills-Bears on Dec. 24. Nothing in Packers-Vikings, Eagles-Giants, Bengals Bills before the late James Bradberry penalty.

not really sure what this really means as Cheffers was probably the only common denominator in most of those cases during the playoffs as they use super crews.....and Cheffers as the white hat has never thrown a defensive holding flag in his life....

 

[Tau837]

fun times with that penalty to Bradberry:

Jeff Howe
@jeffphowe


Referee Carl Cheffers' crews had gone 576 consecutive snaps without calling a defensive holding penalty before the decisive Super Bowl flag. Last called in Bills-Bears on Dec. 24. Nothing in Packers-Vikings, Eagles-Giants, Bengals Bills before the late James Bradberry penalty.

not really sure what this really means as Cheffers was probably the only common denominator in most of those cases during the playoffs as they use super crews.....and Cheffers as the white hat has never thrown a defensive holding flag in his life....

This was my first reaction as well.

 

[Desert_Power]

Finally getting to listen to the New Heights today

 

[Gachi]

I can’t really see any other NFC team going toe to toe with KC like Philly did.

I truly feel this Super Bowl had the two best teams in the league competing. And that is not always the case.

 

[ChiefD]

The amazing thing is KC did this with 10 rookies on the Super Bowl roster. I heard a stat today that 20 of the last 22 draft picks Veach has picked are still on the Chiefs and most on the active roster. This goes back a couple of years.

And he has another 12 picks or so this year. They will have a few decisions to make on contracts, but they are really set up for a solid 3-4 year run here.

 

[identikit]

I can’t really see any other NFC team going toe to toe with KC like Philly did.

I truly feel this Super Bowl had the two best teams in the league competing. And that is not always the case.

I'd put the 49ers at that level, assuming they don't lose every qb they have

 

[ChiefD]

I can’t really see any other NFC team going toe to toe with KC like Philly did.

I truly feel this Super Bowl had the two best teams in the league competing. And that is not always the case.

I'd put the 49ers at that level, assuming they don't lose every qb they have

Yeah agree. And I fully expect Philly to be right there again. That team is so good.

 

[zeke2222]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

Keep telling urself that. And keep telling urself Jerruh has a plan! You have the whole offseason to convince urself it’s true

They played (9) Sub-500 teams in the regular season and of those 9 , four of those teams had less than 5 wins . the Eagles went 14-3 in regular season . so they only played 5 above 500 teams. Losses Dallas ranked 8th against pass and 12th overall on defense. Washington was 3rd overall on defense and 3rd against pass. NO was 5th overall Defense and 1st against the pass. only 3 teams that they played other thatn the three i mentioned were even in the top 20 on Defense. Pittsburgh had the 13th ranked defense but maybe the worst offence in the NFL. The Colts had the 15th ranked Defense and it took the eagles until the closing seconds to beat that defense. and GB had the 17th ranked defense. honestly they had issues with any team that had a defense in the top 12 and was in the top 12 either rushing or passing to on offense. So then they had to play the KC Chiefs who had the 1st ranked Offense in the league and the 11th ranked defense. the only other team they played even close to these rankings was SF and they played 9/10 of that game without a QB who was already a backup. albeit a good one. almost all of the teams they lost to had very good screen games that tended to nullify there pass rush. the quik screen game is there future kryptonite. By these stats it was going to be a uphill battle to beat KC. Add in Mahomes being a magician and walla!!

 

[zeke2222]

The Eagles had more breaks and luck leading up to this game than any other team I have ever seen. they finally met a team and coach that played well enough to keep game real close for one little break to go the other way and it did!! Now they will lose players to both free agency and retirement and the chances that they get this kind of luck again any time soon is not really a reality any time soon!!

breaks and luck? They blew out almost every opponent.

I don't get this one at all

They played (9) Sub-500 teams in the regular season and of those 9 , four of those teams had less than 5 wins . the Eagles went 14-3 in regular season . so they only played 5 above 500 teams. Losses Dallas ranked 8th against pass and 12th overall on defense. Washington was 3rd overall on defense and 3rd against pass. NO was 5th overall Defense and 1st against the pass. only 3 teams that they played other thatn the three i mentioned were even in the top 20 on Defense. Pittsburgh had the 13th ranked defense but maybe the worst offence in the NFL. The Colts had the 15th ranked Defense and it took the eagles until the closing seconds to beat that defense. and GB had the 17th ranked defense. honestly they had issues with any team that had a defense in the top 12 and was in the top 12 either rushing or passing to on offense. So then they had to play the KC Chiefs who had the 1st ranked Offense in the league and the 11th ranked defense. the only other team they played even close to these rankings was SF and they played 9/10 of that game without a QB who was already a backup. albeit a good one. almost all of the teams they lost to had very good screen games that tended to nullify there pass rush. the quik screen game is there future kryptonite. By these stats it was going to be a uphill battle to beat KC. Add in Mahomes being a magician and walla!!