TE Dalton Kincaid, BUF (1 Viewer)

[sushinsky4tsar]

I think Kincaid the player is better that the fantasy asset, but someone offered Singletary and a '26 1st (late projected) in a non-TE premium, and I'm giving some serious thought to hitting eject for DYNASTY.

Have correctly started Kraft ahead of him, and just a matter of time until he gets passed in the dynasty rankings. Goedert still in the mix behind that.


...and with that he just scored at TD after nearly taking a 2 rec for 7 yds into the half.

Just that quickly, I'm losing my resolve. I'm thinking I gotta hold out for a '25 1st since I'm actually trying to compete next year. I do think he's capable of being the player I hoped for when I drafted him 1.7, but just doesn't seem like he has the role in the offense to make it happen. Maybe he has a monster 2nd half and we have a long awaited true breakout game. More likely that he doesn't catch another ball.

 

[nittanylion]

Bumping to Page 1, pending more info regarding the in-game knee injury he suffered on Sunday.

 

[zamboni]

Bumping to Page 1, pending more info regarding the in-game knee injury he suffered on Sunday.

I'm sure we'll get more info when they start practicing tomorrow.

Almost wish this thread would stay on page 2 though - every time I see it, it aggravates me how much he let us owners down this year after such pre-season hype.

 

[menobrown]

Bumping to Page 1, pending more info regarding the in-game knee injury he suffered on Sunday.

Anxious for news as well.

All I can pass along right now is Dr. Chao thinks it's a PCL, similar to Puka's but a lot less severe and believes it to be a multi-week injury but does not sound like an IR kind of thing.

With the bye next week my recommendation is to make other plans and hope he's back in week 13.

 

[Payne]

Well he tried to come back and couldn't. Between that and the bye week next week, my guess is we won't see him until week 13.

 

[FarFromHome]

Well he tried to come back and couldn't. Between that and the bye week next week, my guess is we won't see him until week 13.

Gonna miss his 8 pt ppr league average he brought to my lineup.

 

[rodalive]

Well he tried to come back and couldn't. Between that and the bye week next week, my guess is we won't see him until week 13.

Gonna miss his 8 pt ppr league average he brought to my lineup.

Yep, it's bad when I was struggling who to start this weekend, Kincaid or Theo Johnson.

 

[Big Nate]

Well he tried to come back and couldn't. Between that and the bye week next week, my guess is we won't see him until week 13.

Gonna miss his 8 pt ppr league average he brought to my lineup.

Think is there is no one on waivers who can put up even 8pts.

If he doesn't go I might just run with Knox.

 

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[FarFromHome]

I was team Kincaid. I overdrafted you. I loved you. You let me down. Redeem yourself when it matters most!!!

 

[JohnnyU]

Well he tried to come back and couldn't. Between that and the bye week next week, my guess is we won't see him until week 13.

Gonna miss his 8 pt ppr league average he brought to my lineup.

Think is there is no one on waivers who can put up even 8pts.

If he doesn't go I might just run with Knox.

He sure pooped his pants in week 14 with both Kincaid and Coleman out.

 

[MrSoup]

For what I paid, one of my worst draft picks in recent memory. Woof.

 

[menobrown]

For what I paid, one of my worst draft picks in recent memory. Woof.

Yep, it's been bad and it's one of those times you walked away from week one already knowing you/me/we had made a mistake. I got him on some dynasty teams and still like his future, but was one of the worst picks this year a person could make, at least in my TEP leagues relative to where he was going.

 

[FarFromHome]

For what I paid, one of my worst draft picks in recent memory. Woof.

Yep, it's been bad and it's one of those times you walked away from week one already knowing you/me/we had made a mistake. I got him on some dynasty teams and still like his future, but was one of the worst picks this year a person could make, at least in my TEP leagues relative to where he was going.

Arguably my biggest miss in the past few years. I was so convinced he had the tools and the QB to be a 1100 and 8 TD guy this year. Just didn't foresee the way Allen spreads the ball around. My bad.

 

[JohnnyU]

Buffalo Bills tight end Dalton Kincaid (knee) logged a full practice in Wednesday's walk-through. This is an encouraging sign for Kincaid, as he has missed the last three games due to a knee injury. Fantasy managers should continue to monitor his practice participation throughout the rest of the week. In Week 15, the Buffalo Bills (10-3) take on the Detroit Lions (12-1) in a matchup between two of the best teams in the NFL. The over/under for Sunday's game is 54.5 points, and having all of Josh Allen's weapons available to him will go a long way in helping the Bills pull off the upset (2.5-point underdogs) on the road. On the season, Kincaid has disappointed many fantasy managers with 34 catches for 356 yards and two touchdowns over 10 games. Still, the 25-year-old has the skill set and the high-powered offense that could help him finish the fantasy season on a high note. Fantasy managers can start Kincaid as a low-end TE1 if he plays this week.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Fantasy managers can start Kincaid as a low-end TE1 if he plays this week.

Benching like the low-end TE2 that he is.

 

[Zow]

I'm rolling with Hockenson over him in one league and Njoku over him in another and not really thinking twice about it.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm rolling with Hockenson over him in one league and Njoku over him in another and not really thinking twice about it.

In a deep league where I don't have those choices. I have him or Calcateera, Hooper etc. I'll be rolling Kincaid and hoping he gets lucky with a score

 

[Zow]

I'm rolling with Hockenson over him in one league and Njoku over him in another and not really thinking twice about it.

In a deep league where I don't have those choices. I have him or Calcateera, Hooper etc. I'll be rolling Kincaid and hoping he gets lucky with a score

Yep. I suppose the better way to make my point is I don't see Kincaid as a top ten play this week even if healthy.

 

[JohnnyU]

Fantasy managers can start Kincaid as a low-end TE1 if he plays this week.

Benching like the low-end TE2 that he is.

Can't say that I blame you. Just posting what I see about him.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Fantasy managers can start Kincaid as a low-end TE1 if he plays this week.

Benching like the low-end TE2 that he is.

Can't say that I blame you. Just posting what I see about him.

Sorry, I thought that came from an article and you were highlighting the absurdity. He probably is a low 1 given the shootout potential. Luckily, I'm in a position where his lack of production is hurting my lofty assessment of him as a prospect and not my actual score. Won't be surprised if he pulls an 18 point game out of thin air before the season is up, but unlikely to make my lineup over Kraft.

 

[JohnnyU]

Fantasy managers can start Kincaid as a low-end TE1 if he plays this week.

Benching like the low-end TE2 that he is.

Can't say that I blame you. Just posting what I see about him.

Sorry, I thought that came from an article and you were highlighting the absurdity. He probably is a low 1 given the shootout potential. Luckily, I'm in a position where his lack of production is hurting my lofty assessment of him as a prospect and not my actual score. Won't be surprised if he pulls an 18 point game out of thin air before the season is up, but unlikely to make my lineup over Kraft.

No, I didn't highlight it because it's absurd, I highlighted it just for highlighting bits of the snippet. Nothing meant by it.

 

[FarFromHome]

Well to be fair. I'd be willing to bet any tight end that actually scores a TD is around top ten. He only needs one, which is possible. The problem is he only has 2 in 10 games. Not good.

 

[metoo]

Saints TEs have saved my season in my first SF(dynasty)league. This was my worst pick and in the third.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

 

[zamboni]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

 

[FarFromHome]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Ha ha. Stupid football

 

[IHEARTFF]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Ha ha. Stupid football

well said

 

[Uncle Leo]

Same here. No one claimed him after he was dropped twice. I picked him up to cover for Njoku in case he’s out week 16.

 

[Drake Hater]

Terrible start this week against an extremely TE-friendly defense. Got burned badly. Never again.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I nearly called my shot about a "multi TD game coming up" before this. I'm like Bart Simpson faithfully believing Krusty will eventually show up to the dilapidated summer camp.

TE has been the sucking black hole on my otherwise godly roster all season long, and I may just roll Kincaid out one last time.

 

[menobrown]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Hold my

Sharkpool league so 11 other people on this board already know this. FFPC/TEP, entered the season with Kincaid, Pitts, Laporta, Musgrave and for good measure drafted Ben Sinnott. I thought I was golden for the next 5-8 years.

The TE position is so scheme dependent. Out of the 4 fantasy starting skill positions it's IMO the one where success is based more on scheme then talent. IYou got guys like Jonnu having a year 8 breakout due to scheme. Otton was carrying teams for awhile because they had to use him. Never thought a lot of guy like Ferguson in terms of talent, but the scheme makes him a very good fantasy player as Schultz was in that spot before him.

I've been thinking about this all season but more in the context of dynasty rookie drafts and how to value TE. This would make me inclined to stop drafting TE's high based on talent, just target cheaper options where people don't view them as talented but are in good situations. But then Bowers springs to mind and makes me rethink things a little.

Bowers also comes to mind with me in how I'll handle redraft TE's in TEP leagues. Only one out of the top 7 drafted TE's was not a disappointment or full out bust and that was McBride. That's terrible odds and these are mainly second-third round picks so it wrecked a lot of people's teams. This makes me think the easy strategy is to shift to just not drafting TE's early. But then Bowers.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Terrible start this week against an extremely TE-friendly defense. Got burned badly. Never again.

In the running for overalll bust of the year.

…yeah I started him over Njoku

 

[BassNBrew]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Hold my

Sharkpool league so 11 other people on this board already know this. FFPC/TEP, entered the season with Kincaid, Pitts, Laporta, Musgrave and for good measure drafted Ben Sinnott. I thought I was golden for the next 5-8 years.

The TE position is so scheme dependent. Out of the 4 fantasy starting skill positions it's IMO the one where success is based more on scheme then talent. IYou got guys like Jonnu having a year 8 breakout due to scheme. Otton was carrying teams for awhile because they had to use him. Never thought a lot of guy like Ferguson in terms of talent, but the scheme makes him a very good fantasy player as Schultz was in that spot before him.

I've been thinking about this all season but more in the context of dynasty rookie drafts and how to value TE. This would make me inclined to stop drafting TE's high based on talent, just target cheaper options where people don't view them as talented but are in good situations. But then Bowers springs to mind and makes me rethink things a little.

Bowers also comes to mind with me in how I'll handle redraft TE's in TEP leagues. Only one out of the top 7 drafted TE's was not a disappointment or full out bust and that was McBride. That's terrible odds and these are mainly second-third round picks so it wrecked a lot of people's teams. This makes me think the easy strategy is to shift to just not drafting TE's early. But then Bowers.

In a TEP league I'm in with 16 teams; Kincaid, Engram, Ferguson, Pitts, LaPorta, and Kelce all went before Gibbs, Barkley, and Henry (0 ppr for RB).

 

[IHEARTFF]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Hold my

Sharkpool league so 11 other people on this board already know this. FFPC/TEP, entered the season with Kincaid, Pitts, Laporta, Musgrave and for good measure drafted Ben Sinnott. I thought I was golden for the next 5-8 years.

The TE position is so scheme dependent. Out of the 4 fantasy starting skill positions it's IMO the one where success is based more on scheme then talent. IYou got guys like Jonnu having a year 8 breakout due to scheme. Otton was carrying teams for awhile because they had to use him. Never thought a lot of guy like Ferguson in terms of talent, but the scheme makes him a very good fantasy player as Schultz was in that spot before him.

I've been thinking about this all season but more in the context of dynasty rookie drafts and how to value TE. This would make me inclined to stop drafting TE's high based on talent, just target cheaper options where people don't view them as talented but are in good situations. But then Bowers springs to mind and makes me rethink things a little.

Bowers also comes to mind with me in how I'll handle redraft TE's in TEP leagues. Only one out of the top 7 drafted TE's was not a disappointment or full out bust and that was McBride. That's terrible odds and these are mainly second-third round picks so it wrecked a lot of people's teams. This makes me think the easy strategy is to shift to just not drafting TE's early. But then Bowers.

Bowers was just an insane talent, and I think you have to keep drafting guys like that really high.

I'll make the Kincaid mistake again. Athletic, college production, rd 1 draft capital, MVP Caliber QB. But he definitely makes your scheme point hit home.

 

[zamboni]

Still better than Pitts, I say to myself as I re-add Kincaid after no one else bothered to put in a claim.

I had them both after my draft thinking I was golden this year. Too bad they play the games.

Hold my

Sharkpool league so 11 other people on this board already know this. FFPC/TEP, entered the season with Kincaid, Pitts, Laporta, Musgrave and for good measure drafted Ben Sinnott. I thought I was golden for the next 5-8 years.

The TE position is so scheme dependent. Out of the 4 fantasy starting skill positions it's IMO the one where success is based more on scheme then talent. IYou got guys like Jonnu having a year 8 breakout due to scheme. Otton was carrying teams for awhile because they had to use him. Never thought a lot of guy like Ferguson in terms of talent, but the scheme makes him a very good fantasy player as Schultz was in that spot before him.

I've been thinking about this all season but more in the context of dynasty rookie drafts and how to value TE. This would make me inclined to stop drafting TE's high based on talent, just target cheaper options where people don't view them as talented but are in good situations. But then Bowers springs to mind and makes me rethink things a little.

Bowers also comes to mind with me in how I'll handle redraft TE's in TEP leagues. Only one out of the top 7 drafted TE's was not a disappointment or full out bust and that was McBride. That's terrible odds and these are mainly second-third round picks so it wrecked a lot of people's teams. This makes me think the easy strategy is to shift to just not drafting TE's early. But then Bowers.

Good points. Bowers, like Kelce before him, is among the very few TEs whose talent transcends situation to the point of their passing offenses being structured around them. I think McBride isn't too far off from there even with the presence of MHJ. Andrews was there for a few years due to a lack of receiving options, but even that was short-lived.

As you say, a good lesson is to look at situation rather than talent next year if you don't have Bowers or McBride.

 

[zamboni]

I'll make the Kincaid mistake again. Athletic, college production, rd 1 draft capital, MVP Caliber QB. But he definitely makes your scheme point hit home.

The jury is still out on Kincaid, but it may very well be that he's not nearly as good as even the Bills thought. Really came on down the stretch last year and we all saw a tremendous opportunity to be a target hog alongside Allen, but never happened - even before his injury.

 

[jm192]

He was one of my biggest misses. I felt really excited for him.

Mainly because, with the departure of Diggs, he had an easy/clear path to being the Alpha #1 target for one of the best QB's in the NFL. On paper, it seemed too perfect. Athletic TE, 1st round draft capital. Of course they're going to use him a lot.

They haven't. He's broken 70% of the snaps 4 times in 12 games. 60% 6 times in 4 games. Brock Bowers hasn't been below 66% all season. Since week 3, he has seen at least 79% of the TE snaps every game. Since week 8, he's only had 1 game with less than 90% snaps (85% in week 14).

Now, maybe that's a reflection on what Kincaid is showing in practice. I feel like the Bills have an irrational love for Knox. Maybe it's his blocking. IDK. But for a guy that they used a 1st round draft pick on--they haven't used him like it so far.

It's possible he breaks through next year and he sees the snaps/targets. He was really promising down the stretch last year. He's certainly a hold in dynasty. I'd be tempted to buy if someone is just disgusted with him. But I'm also a little nervous that this is how the Bills use him forever and always.

 

[Schmeabs]

I dropped Kincaid yesterday for Njoku after looking at game logs and seeing Kincaids highest point total this year was lower than 5 of Njoku's totals already this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

I nearly called my shot about a "multi TD game coming up" before this. I'm like Bart Simpson faithfully believing Krusty will eventually show up to the dilapidated summer camp.

TE has been the sucking black hole on my otherwise godly roster all season long, and I may just roll Kincaid out one last time.

I watch him and just don't see anything special or unique.

 

[Dez]

I passed on Bowers at 1.03 because I was rostering Kincaid and Pitts. Horrible decision. Kincaid clearly isn't the guy we thought he would be coming into the year. Pitts I wasted 5 startup picks on in a trade including G Wilson as 1 of them. Pretty horrible trade. Pitts was taken 1.04 in my startup should been valued around the 10.04 apparently.

 

[menobrown]

Bowers was just an insane talent, and I think you have to keep drafting guys like that really high.

My only counter to that while they are different type of pass catchers, Pitts was also viewed as that kind of talent and after his rookie season most of us thought it was justified. But to your point, I'll keep drafting special talents like these two or I should say what I perceive as special talents when they enter. Will win some, lose some.

I'll make the Kincaid mistake again. Athletic, college production, rd 1 draft capital, MVP Caliber QB.

And agree and I still think he might pan out, just will take longer then I thought. That guy we saw his rookie season in that brief time he had the TE position to himself looked legit and I don't think, like Pitts, he regressed. Just the scheme and Knox.

Now, maybe that's a reflection on what Kincaid is showing in practice. I feel like the Bills have an irrational love for Knox. Maybe it's his blocking. IDK. But for a guy that they used a 1st round draft pick on--they haven't used him like it so far.

From everything I gathered on drafting him they had a vision of them being a dominant 12 personnel team, with Kincaid as more of a big slot then TE and they liked the way they thought would open up both the passing and running game. What they found out however was that they actually ran worse out of 12 personnel which eventually led to using 12 personnel way less frequently then they envisioned when they drafted him. And since they already had Knox, who they like, signed for a few years it's led to the rotation we see. I'm pretty sure I posted some stuff early in this thread after he was drafted about not being worried about Knox and I wasn't because of the offense I knew they wanted to run. I was wrong, Knox is a problem. Maybe the Bills were just trying to make it work with Kincaid and their 12 personnel dreams after those WR's got drafted ahead of them in round one.

The good news is whenver Knox is out of the picture I believe he'll be what we all thought he would be. Problem is that looks like 1-2 seasons away and Kincaid is already 25.

 

[finfansteve]

I passed on Bowers at 1.03 because I was rostering Kincaid and Pitts. Horrible decision. Kincaid clearly isn't the guy we thought he would be coming into the year. Pitts I wasted 5 startup picks on in a trade including G Wilson as 1 of them. Pretty horrible trade. Pitts was taken 1.04 in my startup should been valued around the 10.04 apparently.

I have the same two te’s but still hedged my bets with bowers at 1.06. I figured I had to do it after watching him dominate in college. So far he looks like the real deal while pitts looks disinterested and Kincaid looks average at best

 

[oldmanhawkins]

That was a fitting end to a disaster of a year. I took him in round 3 of a startup…bowers went right after. The way his teammates came to his defense gives me a smidge of optimism for next year. I do think that Allen frequently presents Kincaid with low quality targets. No idea why that is. But, the fact that Josh said so means there is hope it changes.

 

[phandango]

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Dawson Knox said that TE Dalton Kincaid was playing on a torn PCL in one knee and with an aggravated other knee — “It’s insane what he’s played through”

 

[zamboni]

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Dawson Knox said that TE Dalton Kincaid was playing on a torn PCL in one knee and with an aggravated other knee — “It’s insane what he’s played through”

Might explain some, but this also sounds a bit like a good teammate coming to his defense.

 

[menobrown]

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Dawson Knox said that TE Dalton Kincaid was playing on a torn PCL in one knee and with an aggravated other knee — “It’s insane what he’s played through”

Might explain some, but this also sounds a bit like a good teammate coming to his defense.

Probably a part of it but unless one of those injuries was the first 9 weeks does not mean a lot to me even if it he's not saying this to protect him. I say that because I assumed he was not back to full health after he returned which seemed pretty evident in how he was used after he got back so I was already giving him a pass of sorts for his low production since he returned.

 

[Uncle Leo]

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Dawson Knox said that TE Dalton Kincaid was playing on a torn PCL in one knee and with an aggravated other knee — “It’s insane what he’s played through”

Then he should not have been playing. He was the BOTY candidate for fantasy and probably cost his team a chance at the Super Bowl.

 

[zamboni]

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Dawson Knox said that TE Dalton Kincaid was playing on a torn PCL in one knee and with an aggravated other knee — “It’s insane what he’s played through”

Might explain some, but this also sounds a bit like a good teammate coming to his defense.

Probably a part of it but unless one of those injuries was the first 9 weeks does not mean a lot to me even if it he's not saying this to protect him. I say that because I assumed he was not back to full health after he returned which seemed pretty evident in how he was used after he got back so I was already giving him a pass of sorts for his low production since he returned.

Agreed - not like he was balling out before he got hurt. He was a non-event from the get go despite being handed an incredible opportunity.

 

[Big Nate]

These are the types of players I like to buy low on in dynasty. Everyone mad about the 25 yr TE playing on a torn PCL.

Sometimes players just need some time. I drafted Kincaid in one of my redraft leagues and no doubt it hurt but I can see the big picture and a possible buy window in dynasty. During the rookie draft, when all the hype is around the new players I might float some offers for Kincaid and see what I can do.