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TE Dalton Kincaid, BUF (2 Viewers)
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
My gut just says he is gonna be a fun guy to own. The tight end position is so tough for a rookie to learn. Routes. Blocking assignments. So much to the position. I wanna start him this week but I'll prolly go the safe boring route of Schultz. Kincaid just feels way more fun.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I have this same scenario and am starting him.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Worked out OK for LaPorta
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Given that TE's outside Kelce averaged about 5 points a game last season, it isn't really that much of gamble throwing him in is it?
Trash position. Might as well roll the dice on some up side.
Trash position. Might as well roll the dice on some up side.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Just to bring some illumination on the “explodes on his cuts” statement:
Kincaid tends to get a lot of separation out of his cuts because he’s fairly unique in how he makes them. The vast majority of receivers have to take a “chop” step to sort of slow down and get going another direction. Kincaid is often described as a “smooth” route runner because he doesn’t take that step. He’s running full speed one direction and then suddenly is just going another direction leaving the DB in the dust.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Starting him. Why not.
I got Laporta In both of mine as backup to Waller and Goedert and very happy about it. He is the starter, Brock wright is mostly a blocker.
Kincaid could be a redzone monster though. I would feel better if Knox was gone though, but I wasn’t able to land him anyway
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They had DJ Reed shadow Diggs last year successfully. Generally, the Jets don’t shadow a WR and Reed and Sauce just play their sides - but against some teams, like Buffalo they did. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen again this season.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It’s becoming more common where teams double elite receivers with the #2 CB and a safety and have the #1 CB shut down the #2 guy on his own.
Down Under
Footballguy
I think I'm doing this also, Likely over Kincaid and Irv Smith.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
For this week I'd personally go Likely over Kincaid.
Insein
Footballguy
Welp good news for everyone who started Kincaid.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Mildly encouraged so far. Josh has thrown his way 3 times and he's caught all 3.
Mildly discouraged so far, they haven't called any exciting plays for him, has 17 yards.
I think they're easing him in, but at least he's immediately involved as a rookie - that was one of the fears, that the Bills don't give rookies meaningful offensive opportunities.
Mildly discouraged so far, they haven't called any exciting plays for him, has 17 yards.
I think they're easing him in, but at least he's immediately involved as a rookie - that was one of the fears, that the Bills don't give rookies meaningful offensive opportunities.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'm excited - trying to watch him during plays because he's intriguing and honestly...looks really good. High route participation, high snap count. First pick I thought Kincaid had a step up the opposite sideline and Allen missed him for a TD. He moves like Kelce it's crazy. As someone who wasn't really looking at him much and then saw all these TE injuries this year...very intrigued.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
very happy with what I'm seeing for Game 1
4 Targets? I didn't see anything special yet
Josh Allen was horrendous.
goose_egged
Footballguy
Buffalo is using him exactly as they said, as a big WR. And he's getting open. I agree the output was nothing special but nonetheless this was an encouraging debut to me.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I didn’t take that usage as a given, he did well with what he was given, which was not insignificant for a rookie te. Which to me means he will get more involved, he looks good out there but I will admit I didn’t recall a ton of him
From college so that was my first extended look. He will get some run
FarFromHome
Footballguy
With the context of how the game was going you gotta mark his debit down as a success. Outside of college clips it was my first real look at him. Didn't look lost. Didn't look like the game was too much for him. He knew his role on the plays I saw. One thing I noticed was simply how well he moves. 6 ft 4 and 240 lbs and he looked fast and nimble. His body control when running and setting up routes was really solid. As he continues to get the time in seems likely to get more and more of the target share. He just looked different to me. A top 10 finish at the dry position seems like a real possibility.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty good rookie class of TEs - could def see Kincaid, LaPorta & Musgrave all being Top 16 this year, with TD upside (variable & unpredictable) to crack single digits. They all have significant roles for their team.
I believe Hunter Henry, with 56 yards, leads all TE's right now.
Saying that to highlight I care less about Kincaid's stats then his usage and playing time.
The usage was decent, being game one on a MNF did not have big expectations. The playing time was ideal, coming in at 79% of the snaps with Josh Allen. They told us they were moving to 12 personnel, they did not lie.
Saying that to highlight I care less about Kincaid's stats then his usage and playing time.
The usage was decent, being game one on a MNF did not have big expectations. The playing time was ideal, coming in at 79% of the snaps with Josh Allen. They told us they were moving to 12 personnel, they did not lie.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Snap count was wonderful. The fact that he ran 37 routes on 50 drop backs means they aren't interested too much in his blocking. Let the em run. Targets should slowly tick upward as season moves forward.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I always appreciate little statistical insights like this one. They help put the puzzle together.
zamboni
Footballguy
Yup - most casual FF guys will look only at the 3-25-0 and scoff, but sometimes you have to look deeper. Very promising usage for a rookie TE in a brutal matchup, and also with a solid TE alongside him in Knox.
Banger
Footballguy
good stuff here...
eagles 123
Footballguy
Hard to assess his value after this past game's blowout (decrease in snaps and targets). Bills have a lot of weapons, unsure whether Kincaid breaks out this year with Diggs, Gabe Davis, and Cooks getting the bulk of receptions.
EBF
Footballguy
The best and worst thing about him is that he's basically a WR playing TE.
He's a crisp athlete and great route runner.
On the other hand, while he's not really light at about 245 pounds, he lacks the play strength of some of the great receiving TEs in recent NFL history. He's about 10-15 pounds lighter than Kelce, Gronk, and Graham. He doesn't quite have the same hoss factor running after the catch.
My comparison for him is Todd Heap. I think that captures the play style and talent level well. Heap had about 5 pounds on Kincaid though.
He's a crisp athlete and great route runner.
On the other hand, while he's not really light at about 245 pounds, he lacks the play strength of some of the great receiving TEs in recent NFL history. He's about 10-15 pounds lighter than Kelce, Gronk, and Graham. He doesn't quite have the same hoss factor running after the catch.
My comparison for him is Todd Heap. I think that captures the play style and talent level well. Heap had about 5 pounds on Kincaid though.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Only been 3 weeks but my expectations have been severely lowered. Just don't think he is gonna get the targets to be a weekly fantasy starter. Smh
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Is draft position that reliable of a benchmark? There is an endless list of players drafted behind other players yet still outperform them.
66% but it's dropped 3 straight weeks. I was pretty encouraged, and posted such here, after week one when he was at 80%. That went to 61 and 50 over the next two weeks.
I'm not sure that's the bad news however as he's 15th among TE's in routes run, actually ahead of LaPorta for instance.
Problem has just been mainly lack of overall use and extremely poor quality of targets when the ball comes his way. As in just passes around the LOS, no target depth, and that's all kind of odd to me as he's not some YAC specialist and his calling card was his route running and hands and saw good things in preseason games in that regard. Thought he'd be more of an over the middle, red zone specialist and not remotely close so far.
As we know Bills tend to not put to much on rookie skill players. Thought this might be different considering the draft capital and their motivation to acquire him but that so far has not looked to be the case.
Perhaps you meant Mayer?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Him too
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No, but I think LaPorta is the best TE in that class and I think he might be better than Pitts.
Not sure if you are joking but in the real NFL draft Kincaid was the first TE selected.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Maybe. It's early though. I will say Laporta has 22 targets to Kincaid 12. Gonna produce more when your getting looks. Also, like it was mentioned, the Bills aren't using him down field. So many variables when saying who is better at this stage.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Just a hunch. I watched a lot of LaPorta in college.
zamboni
Footballguy
Also it’s not like the Bills passing offense overall has been a juggernaut so far.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I dropped this dude for Musgrave.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I've started him all 3 weeks. Smh. Not by choice really. When you wait on tight ends your forced to flip a coin and sift through guys that are getting targets. Then flip the coin again. I'm starting him this week against Dolphins. Should be good game script. Right? Like he has to do good? Right? Ha ha
