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TE Sam LaPorta, DET (1 Viewer)

BobbyLayne said:
Got in a full practice Friday (while wearing a massive leg brace.)

Expecting him to play, there’s little chance of re-injury or making it worse. Stability of the knee is not an issue, no structural problems.

That said, a bone bruise is no joke. It’s going to be incredibly painful and I expect to see a dip in performance. There’s def a nonzero chance he won’t be able to tolerate the pain.
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Dude was already great. He could become legendary. He’s almost there for just getting out there. Like you said, presuming the risk of reinjury or making it worse is minimal.
 
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BobbyLayne said:
Got in a full practice Friday (while wearing a massive leg brace.)

Expecting him to play, there’s little chance of re-injury or making it worse. Stability of the knee is not an issue, no structural problems.

That said, a bone bruise is no joke. It’s going to be incredibly painful and I expect to see a dip in performance. There’s def a nonzero chance he won’t be able to tolerate the pain.
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Dude was already great. He could become legendary. He’s almost there for just getting out there. Like you said, presuming the risk of reinjury or making it worse is minimal.
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He could be a modern Willis Reed!! (Who my son reminds me had 4 pts, 3 rebounds in his legendary game 7 return from injury)
 
He got tackled on a missed throw in the end zone and I thought he was going to fall awkwardly into the field goal post. Surprised that hasn’t happened before - could have been bad.
 
Guy is already a legend doing this after a knee injury that everyone thought was going to jeopardize his 2024-25 season.
 
Zeppelin said:
Desert_Power said:
Seems like he has some lingering injuries in camp. Concern for week 1?
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The locals haven't said anything so it's likely minor.
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Cross post from the team thread

That’s my take.

Holmes and Campbell have cultivated a transparent environment. If they want to resign a guy you know. If they’re looking to make a trade they’ll mention they are in the market. When a player is not meeting the standard that comes out (in a respectful manner….what he needs to work or focus on improving is ________.)

What you see is what you get.

WRT injuries, they don’t get specific or technical. Timeframes usually don’t get stated because they want to manage expectations. But if it’s serious or long term, they’ll say “we’re gonna be without him for awhile.” If it’s minor or short term, “We’re just trying to be smart with him. If we need to protect the player we’ll hold him out a little longer. But he should be OK just needs to rest it right now.”

NOTE - those were general examples of their communication style, none of those are germane here. But when he asked MCDC has said “he should be fine, we’re not worried about him missing any time.”

They go hard in practice and TC. But when it comes to injuries, they don’t rush anything. They also never play starters in preseason, TC is essentially over, and there are no more open practices - don’t expect any more updates.

There is no indication he’ll be on the Week 1 injury report.
 
I think he's great. Everyone thinks he's great. I didn't have the opportunity to roster him last year and it appears the guys who did are comfortable taking him early and often this year.

It doesn't appear as if I will have any shares. If he can stay healthy and reproduce last year's numbers, then I'll buy in the Kool Aid going forward.


For me, my caution was his TD number of 10. I don't think any other TE had more than 6 last season. If you take away 4 of his TD, we call this regression to the average, and bring him down to his peers. Then statistically his production is just the same as everybody else.


TDs can be pretty variable. I don't want to say it's random but it seems very circumstantial. 10 TD could be his career high. I could give you a number of reasons his TD could go down, but I'm not here to rain on the parade.

But nobody really knows if that number is going to go up, go down, or stay the same until they play the games.


TLDR: Sam Laporta had 4 more touchdowns than his peers. If he continues to do that, his ADP is appropriate. If he doesn't continue to do that, then he is likely being overdrafted / you could be getting comparable production later in the draft.
 
BIRDGANG52 said:
I think he's great. Everyone thinks he's great. I didn't have the opportunity to roster him last year and it appears the guys who did are comfortable taking him early and often this year.

It doesn't appear as if I will have any shares. If he can stay healthy and reproduce last year's numbers, then I'll buy in the Kool Aid going forward.


For me, my caution was his TD number of 10. I don't think any other TE had more than 6 last season. If you take away 4 of his TD, we call this regression to the average, and bring him down to his peers. Then statistically his production is just the same as everybody else.


TDs can be pretty variable. I don't want to say it's random but it seems very circumstantial. 10 TD could be his career high. I could give you a number of reasons his TD could go down, but I'm not here to rain on the parade.

But nobody really knows if that number is going to go up, go down, or stay the same until they play the games.


TLDR: Sam Laporta had 4 more touchdowns than his peers. If he continues to do that, his ADP is appropriate. If he doesn't continue to do that, then he is likely being overdrafted / you could be getting comparable production later in the draft.
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They don’t really have a big physical WR so he’s going to get a lot of redzone looks.

Granted they’re probably rushing Montgomery or Gibbs on 1st and 2nd and you have a shifty ARSB that catches everything, but he should see a lot of end zone targets

Goff is also no threat to run compared to Mahomes or Lamar (just thinking of other top TE and their QB situation)
 
Dan Lambskin said:
BIRDGANG52 said:
I think he's great. Everyone thinks he's great. I didn't have the opportunity to roster him last year and it appears the guys who did are comfortable taking him early and often this year.

It doesn't appear as if I will have any shares. If he can stay healthy and reproduce last year's numbers, then I'll buy in the Kool Aid going forward.


For me, my caution was his TD number of 10. I don't think any other TE had more than 6 last season. If you take away 4 of his TD, we call this regression to the average, and bring him down to his peers. Then statistically his production is just the same as everybody else.


TDs can be pretty variable. I don't want to say it's random but it seems very circumstantial. 10 TD could be his career high. I could give you a number of reasons his TD could go down, but I'm not here to rain on the parade.

But nobody really knows if that number is going to go up, go down, or stay the same until they play the games.


TLDR: Sam Laporta had 4 more touchdowns than his peers. If he continues to do that, his ADP is appropriate. If he doesn't continue to do that, then he is likely being overdrafted / you could be getting comparable production later in the draft.
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They don’t really have a big physical WR so he’s going to get a lot of redzone looks.

Granted they’re probably rushing Montgomery or Gibbs on 1st and 2nd and you have a shifty ARSB that catches everything, but he should see a lot of end zone targets

Goff is also no threat to run compared to Mahomes or Lamar (just thinking of other top TE and their QB situation)
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I get it, but I'm just saying Kelce caught 12 TD in 2022 and Kittle caught 11 TD in 2022. Without the benefit of hindsight, I wouldn't have guessed that Kelce would have dropped to 5 TD in 2023 and Kittle would have dropped to 6 TD in 2023.


Touchdowns are an aberration. On the flip side, teams are probably going to make it a stronger emphasis as well to cover him in that area. Let somebody else beat us besides their best RZ option.


Like targets, catches, yards per catch, those are pretty static. But if you gave me an O/U of Travis Kelce of 5.5 receiving TD last year, I would have maxed bet it and laughed in your face for giving me such a silly line for a guy who scored 12, 9, 11 TD in the 3 years prior.


It wouldn't even have to be his fault. Goff could have a down year. Jameson steals 2-3 from him, etc.
 
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BobbyLayne said:
Zeppelin said:
Desert_Power said:
Seems like he has some lingering injuries in camp. Concern for week 1?
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The locals haven't said anything so it's likely minor.
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Cross post from the team thread

That’s my take.

Holmes and Campbell have cultivated a transparent environment. If they want to resign a guy you know. If they’re looking to make a trade they’ll mention they are in the market. When a player is not meeting the standard that comes out (in a respectful manner….what he needs to work or focus on improving is ________.)

What you see is what you get.
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MCDC probably the most trustworthy of all HCs, per Coachspeak Index

www.thecoachspeakindex.com

Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions — The Coachspeak Index

www.thecoachspeakindex.com www.thecoachspeakindex.com
 
Dan Lambskin said:
They don’t really have a big physical WR so he’s going to get a lot of redzone looks.

Granted they’re probably rushing Montgomery or Gibbs on 1st and 2nd and you have a shifty ARSB that catches everything, but he should see a lot of end zone targets

Goff is also no threat to run compared to Mahomes or Lamar (just thinking of other top TE and their QB situation)
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All good points. It's a team of mainly slot type receivers, especially if they cut DPJ. I'd be surprised if Laporta didn't get at least 8-9 TDs.
 
Deepak Chona, MD writes an injury report for Fantasy Pros, this was his write up today:

Yet another Lion down but not out. Reports suggest a moderate severity hamstring. Data favors playing Week 1 at 90+%, but the concern here is also re-injury risk. If he returns at the end of this week as projected, that rate would be ~25% for the year.
 
Feeling very spooked to draft him in a Guillotine league with this hammy.

Would likely cost me late 2nd/early 3rd.

Overreaction or proper guillotine strategy to avoid?
 
Proteus said:
Feeling very spooked to draft him in a Guillotine league with this hammy.

Would likely cost me late 2nd/early 3rd.

Overreaction or proper guillotine strategy to avoid?
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he's been dropping lately. seen him go as late as the mid-4th recently. i've been gobbling him or kelce up in the 3rd very often. the one where he fell deep into the 4th made me regret taking kelce in the 3rd in that one. but might not be best to test the 4th round if you want. anywhere in the 3rd he can be available
 
Proteus said:
Feeling very spooked to draft him in a Guillotine league with this hammy.

Would likely cost me late 2nd/early 3rd.

Overreaction or proper guillotine strategy to avoid?
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I think he's the clear TE1, and the hammy could easily just be precaution stuff. Reasonable to think he would have been playing if it were the regular season. 2/3 turn sounds right to me.
 
travdogg said:
I think he's the clear TE1,
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How low are you dropping him if he finishes the game catchless? TE is a wasteland this year. Laporta, Kelce, Andrews, Kincaid, Ferguson, Engram. McBride, Kittle, and Pitts are the only ones in that top tier that are somewhat performing.
 
Deamon said:
travdogg said:
I think he's the clear TE1,
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How low are you dropping him if he finishes the game catchless? TE is a wasteland this year. Laporta, Kelce, Andrews, Kincaid, Ferguson, Engram. McBride, Kittle, and Pitts are the only ones in that top tier that are somewhat performing.
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Tough to say, its not like a bunch of guys have really stepped up, and I think LaPorta's underusage is a primary reason they lost today. He's certainly not dropping out of my top-5.
 
It's interesting...the Lions are thisclose to being 0-2.

They've had a breakout player emerge in Jameson Williams and they've been producing yards, but their points/game is down by 6. It'll be important for the Lions IMO to start to deliberately incorporate LaPorta more into the rhythm and mix of their offense. Last year the Lions attempted 21 FG. They've already attempted 5. Me thinks LaPorta is buy low.
 
Laporta himself looks fine to me, but the Jamo usage is a big problem. I think Laporta bounces back and has his weeks, but he's definitely the 3rd option now instead of 2nd.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
their points/game is down by 6
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:2cents: I care far less about this than that they struggled to beat the rams, who just got shellacked by the cardinals, and lost to the Bucs. Although the Bucs are a legit playoff contender.
Cardinals and Seahawks should be interesting, probably high score games.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
It's interesting...the Lions are thisclose to being 0-2.

They've had a breakout player emerge in Jameson Williams and they've been producing yards, but their points/game is down by 6. It'll be important for the Lions IMO to start to deliberately incorporate LaPorta more into the rhythm and mix of their offense. Last year the Lions attempted 21 FG. They've already attempted 5. Me thinks LaPorta is buy low.
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I think JaMo has actually been a bit of a mixed bag. I mean, its encouraging that they are getting something out of him, but in that TB game, they had a lot of misses to him, that ended drives. The big plays are nice, but its still a lower percentage play than ARSB or LaPorta are, and in that game at least, they needed those consistent chain movers.

I'm not giving up on LaPorta at all, but through 2 games, I'm more than a little worried Jared Goff is regressing back to the mean (which was always a possible/likely scenario) and this passing game is gonna struggle to support 3 games.
 
Any rumblings that he is battling any injuries? Recalled him missing a chunk of training camp. Missed yesterdays game but would dig any insight.
 
As others have said, basically the entire TE landscape has underperformed after it was viewed as being so deep this year in terms of potential top performers at the position. Many offenses are still finding their way.

All that said, it seems reasonable to expect some regression for LaPorta after his extraordinary rookie season of 86/889/10. With Jameson taking the next step, that's probably going to eat into LaPorta's target share a bit.
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Lions OC Ben Johnson on Sam LaPorta’s lack of production:

“Last week it was [Amon-Ra] St. Brown, this week it’s LaPorta, next week it’s gonna be somebody else. That’s just the nature of the beast… We’ve got a lot of weapons and it’s hard to guarantee someone five to eight targets every single game. That’s just not how it works.”
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eighsse2 said:
Faust said:
The Coachspeak Index
#Lions OC Ben Johnson on Sam LaPorta’s lack of production:

“... this week it’s LaPorta, ...”
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I know Dan Campbell is known for being transparent, but this is on another level!
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Reminds me of the Larry Allen story (was it John Randle who tells this?) where Larry would approach the line of scrimmage with a choo-choo train signal on running plays.
 
Mister CIA said:
eighsse2 said:
Faust said:
The Coachspeak Index
#Lions OC Ben Johnson on Sam LaPorta’s lack of production:

“... this week it’s LaPorta, ...”
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I know Dan Campbell is known for being transparent, but this is on another level!
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Reminds me of the Larry Allen story (was it John Randle who tells this?) where Larry would approach the line of scrimmage with a choo-choo train signal on running plays.
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And then run over the D-line
Don't wanna hijack the thread so...
I think LaPorta will be fine
Especially now that the O coach has made that comment
 
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