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The 100 Greatest movies of the 1990s 11. Unforgiven (33 Viewers)

15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I agree with all your points GM. I loved Platoon. I also loved Apocalypse Now. Apocalypse Now was just a dark slow grind. Back to Full Metal Jacket. I think for me the basic training portions were just so awesome that once that ended it had to tail off. Overall id bet all three of these movies in this post would be in my top 10 war movies. Imo
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.
 
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15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I think the second half of these movies are good. Not great. We like movies to build to an ending (Platoon) not fall off.

Trying to make Apocalypse better after that beach scene? Good luck with that.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.
 
Appearing in Seventeen magazine as a HS student would be a pretty big deal and would automatically make any girl the top candidate for best looking in their school. She obviously does some level of modeling even if it’s not at the level she’s pretending.

I’m laughing though because I did at all remember Allison Janney was in this and John Cho even pops up as one of the potential buyers for a house Annette Benning is selling.
 
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15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.
Didn't hate his performance but Dafoe and Berenger were just spectacular. The relationship between the two was just fascinating. Two different personalities dealing with the same hell in different ways.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.
Didn't hate his performance but Dafoe and Berenger were just spectacular. The relationship between the two was just fascinating. Two different personalities dealing with the same hell in different ways.
Those two were flat out amazing... Made it a great movie. Thought the other guys in the platoon were all really good too.
 
I still likes American Beauty and thought it was good but definitely not the 5 star masterpiece I did 25 years ago. The revelation at the end with Spacey going from weed smoking forget my wife sleep with a teenager and blow up any chance at having a relationship with my kid to oh my family made me so happy is rather abrupt and kind of forced at the end. Good movie though still find the message of it a little muddy.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.

Sheen and the general tone and direction keep me from loving it like others. Very good movie, and tops of the genre. I just gravitate to Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket over Platoon and Private Ryan now.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.

Who would you replace him with? What actor?

He is playing a person who unlike the rest has options in his life - good looking, not poor, educated - and he plays the role beautifully. IMO. I'm just not sure what he did wrong here.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I think the second half of these movies are good. Not great. We like movies to build to an ending (Platoon) not fall off.

Trying to make Apocalypse better after that beach scene? Good luck with that.

I never loved the Marlon Brando scenes of Apocalypse Now. Doesn't taint the movie but it fell rather flat for me. The movie itself is a work of art - as is Full Metal Jacket. But the endings of both didn't grab me the way the starts/mids of the others did.

Platoon started strong and finished well. Like a great race horse, it found a turn of foot closing strong.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.

Who would you replace him with? What actor?

He is playing a person who unlike the rest has options in his life - good looking, not poor, educated - and he plays the role beautifully. IMO. I'm just not sure what he did wrong here.
I know u asked him but I think Sean Penn would have done a fantastic job. I know he did that war movie at the time also though.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.

I think Platoon is more 50/50 around these parts.
My problem with Platoon is Charlie Sheen. Thought it was great other than him.

Who would you replace him with? What actor?

He is playing a person who unlike the rest has options in his life - good looking, not poor, educated - and he plays the role beautifully. IMO. I'm just not sure what he did wrong here.
I know u asked him but I think Sean Penn would have done a fantastic job. I know he did that war movie at the time also though.
I pictured Tom Cruise just now.
 
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15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I think the second half of these movies are good. Not great. We like movies to build to an ending (Platoon) not fall off.

Trying to make Apocalypse better after that beach scene? Good luck with that.

I never loved the Marlon Brando scenes of Apocalypse Now. Doesn't taint the movie but it fell rather flat for me. The movie itself is a work of art - as is Full Metal Jacket. But the endings of both didn't grab me the way the starts/mids of the others did.

Platoon started strong and finished well. Like a great race horse, it found a turn of foot closing strong.
I will give you that on Brando, I always thought his performance was a bit overrated. My love for this one has a lot to do with watching the making of doc and reading about it. Just bananas. The other part is that my favorite or most memorable scenes have changed over time. Now the scene where they stop to inspect the boat is one that guts me and I dread getting to in the movie. The psychotic nightmare that is the night bridge scene is another. The last couple times I've watched the 4K I've had the headphones on, and that scene is terrifying. I still love the beach scene and other parts of the movie, but those are the scenes that really get me.

Platoon never quite had that emotional gut punch that FMJ and Apocalypse have for me for whatever reason. That said, it's been awhile, it's on Prime, so I am going to follow 80s' lead from earlier and rewatch this one now.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis: [/B]Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

Arguably the greatest WW2 movie ever made and one of the greatest war movies made. I get that it has a little bit of a Disney feel to it at times and that it's an overdone genre/topic, but it's still great on multiple levels. Very well cast. Great story/screen play. Solid acting. Cinematography as always with Spielberg is superb.

Trip's Official Ruling: Slightly under ranked.(makes my top 10)
 
16. The Matrix (1999)

Directed by: The Wachowskis

Starring: Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hugo Weaving

Synopsis: [/B]A computer hacker discovers that humanity is trapped in a simulated reality.

There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.- Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus

One of just a handful of movies that encapsulate the 90s and that really is a commentary on society grappling with the expanding importance of technology in our universe. There are plenty of flaws to nitpick but the overall cultural impact and staying power of the franchise speaks volumes.

Trip's Official Ruling: Appropriately Ranked
Yes this is one of the most late 90s movies that exists. I was a senior in HS and one of the guys I worked with who was in college asked me if I had seen The Matrix and I hadn’t. His jaw dropped and he said “you have to see it. It explains everything.” He went on to tell me all the Deja vu and tastes like chicken stuff and he was truly convinced the movie was exposing our actual reality. I assume he hosts some kind of manosphere YouTube show now.
1999 just a crazy year for movies.
I remember Conan did a monologue joke about combining all of the 1999 Best Picture nominations into one film and calling it, “Elizabeth’s beautiful thin red privates in love.”

EDIT: That information has taken up valuable space in my brain for a quarter century now. I am absolutely thrilled to have finally found a use for it.
 
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I tried to watch it for the first time like 15 years ago and didn't make it 20 minutes. I should probably try it again.
Every time I want to make fun of a take like this I remind myself that I'm not really much of a fan of Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, and Goodfellas...so I don't. :lol:

This is one I probably should have seen in the theater. Watching it 15 or 20 years after it came out on a television set wasn't optimal I guess. I thought it was dumb but I also didn't give it a full viewing so can be safely ignored here. And most other threads too.
Just an aside, but you and Andy have almost the exact same post count. Clicking on profiles is fun.

Really? I feel like I've blathered and polluted this board far more than Andy has.
Uh....who wants to tell him....
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I think the second half of these movies are good. Not great. We like movies to build to an ending (Platoon) not fall off.

Trying to make Apocalypse better after that beach scene? Good luck with that.

I never loved the Marlon Brando scenes of Apocalypse Now. Doesn't taint the movie but it fell rather flat for me. The movie itself is a work of art - as is Full Metal Jacket. But the endings of both didn't grab me the way the starts/mids of the others did.

Platoon started strong and finished well. Like a great race horse, it found a turn of foot closing strong.
I'd agree.

I'd go:
Platoon
Apocalypse Now

Full Metal Jacket


All are still great
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.
/me paraphrasing what I remember

This is pure Louisiana black snake
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
I think the second half of these movies are good. Not great. We like movies to build to an ending (Platoon) not fall off.

Trying to make Apocalypse better after that beach scene? Good luck with that.

I never loved the Marlon Brando scenes of Apocalypse Now. Doesn't taint the movie but it fell rather flat for me. The movie itself is a work of art - as is Full Metal Jacket. But the endings of both didn't grab me the way the starts/mids of the others did.

Platoon started strong and finished well. Like a great race horse, it found a turn of foot closing strong.
I'd agree.

I'd go:
Platoon
Apocalypse Now

Full Metal Jacket


All are still great
The Guns of Navarone?
 
I am not a big war movie guy, but Saving Private Ryan is obviously a great one. It wouldn't rank high on my personal list, but I totally get why it is here.
 
15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.
/me paraphrasing what I remember

This is pure Louisiana black snake
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15. Saving Private Ryan (1998)

Directed by: Steven Spielberg

Starring: Tom Hanks, Edward Burns, Matt Damon, Tom Sizemore

Synopsis:
Following the Normandy invasion, A U.S. Army Captain is tasked with rescuing a private who has lost 3 of his brothers.

This Ryan had better be worth it. He’d better go home, cure some disease, or invent a longer lasting light bulb or something. - Tom Hanks as Captain Miller.

This was one of the films I was referring to when I wrote earlier that there are a few left on this list that I don’t need to see ever again. This is one of the greatest war movies ever. The characters, dialogue, acting, are all simply outstanding. The opening battle scene at Omaha Beach is phenomenal. And I have no desire to watch it once more. That doesn’t make it any less great. (Though it may play a role in keeping this movie in the top 20 rather than the top 10, because every film in the top ten I can and do watch over and over and over.)
I don't think I'm in a better position to judge this movie better than anyone else. But for some perspective. I was a SGT in the military. I was stationed in Germany. I was in an actual war. Having said that, Saving Private Ryan is my personal favorite war movie of all time. Just some classic war story telling. That opening scene at Omaha Beach still gives me chills when I watch. Just war at its absolute worst. Just a great journey with a great cast and a gut wrenching ending. In the closing scene, you see the aged Private Ryan, with his extended family. Just gets deep into my feelings.
How do you compare it to Full Metal Jacket? Me not having served in the military (thank you for your service) always gave me chills.
Full Metal Jacket basic training scenes were just epically great. The military has changed quite a bit, but 25 years ago for me at Fort Benning and definitely during that time era, basic training was brutal like they depicted. I thought once they graduated and went off to each soldiers duty station it tailed off a lot. So for me Full Metal Jacket started off awesome then got lame. Saving Private Ryan was awesome from opening scene until the the ending scene. Imo

FMJ was basically 2 different movies. The first was brilliant. The 2nd was hackneyed and hard to follow.

This is why Platoon is the best Vietnam War movie ever made. It's a linear story that's easy to follow and portrays the full ugliness of that war in a way FMJ never did.
Ugh, not this again. ;)



Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.

I've seen it a number of times. I don't think I'm alone on FMJ or Platoon here.

Also thought Apocalypse Now lost its footing in the back half. It happens to great movies.
As far as 2nd half of FMJ, I am for sure in the minority around here. It's one of my top 20 movies, and much of that is because I love the 2nd half as much. There is just as much humor and horror as boot camp, but the problem for the delivery is there is nobody as engrossing as R. Lee Ermey in the 2nd half.

IMO the Platoon take is more 50/50 around here, but I could very well be wrong on that as well.
/me paraphrasing what I remember

This is pure Louisiana black snake
Alabama
Is one bigger than the other?
 
Saving Private Ryan is brilliant with an emotional powerhouse finish.
My only complaint is that they filmed every battle scene with the jerky handheld camera which made perfect sense with the chaotic opening scene, but got a little tiresome by the end.
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis:
A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Look we’re not electing the ****ing pope here! Just tell me who won - Matthew Broderick as Jim
McAllister

Black comedy about high school, based on the book by Tom Perrota, a great novelist (he later wrote The Leftovers) My synopsis offers the basic theme but doesn’t really do it justice. As great as the two main characters are, the brother sister duo of Paul and Tammy are just as hilarious, especially Tammy.

Back to the two stars: I think that, with all apologies to Ferris Bueler, this might be Broderick’s best ever role. Similar to Kevin Spacey in American Beauty he is facing a midlife crisis but he handles it quite differently. As for Witherspoon, she plays the perfect annoying high school *****.
 
The best , most cringiest scene in election is when Broderick walks in to his house after thinking he was gonna hook up with his wifes best friend and instead he is ambushed by her and his wife. OOf!
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
 
Election is fantastic.

I'm sure I'd have different rankings if I took the time to do my own... But I'm not, so love seeing great- maybe underappreciated movies get their due here.
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis:
A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Look we’re not electing the ****ing pope here! Just tell me who won - Matthew Broderick as Jim
McAllister

Black comedy about high school, based on the book by Tom Perrota, a great novelist (he later wrote The Leftovers) My synopsis offers the basic theme but doesn’t really do it justice. As great as the two main characters are, the brother sister duo of Paul and Tammy are just as hilarious, especially Tammy.

Back to the two stars: I think that, with all apologies to Ferris Bueler, this might be Broderick’s best ever role. Similar to Kevin Spacey in American Beauty he is facing a midlife crisis but he handles it quite differently. As for Witherspoon, she plays the perfect annoying high school *****.
:2cents: hotcake

Black comedy should never be a top movie. Ever.
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis: [/B]A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Fun movie, but this feels a bit pricey when compared to the other earth shattering films around it. Simply not in the same stratosphere.

Trip's Official Ruling: Over ranked.(makes my top 100 but not my top 50)
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis:
A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Look we’re not electing the ****ing pope here! Just tell me who won - Matthew Broderick as Jim
McAllister

Black comedy about high school, based on the book by Tom Perrota, a great novelist (he later wrote The Leftovers) My synopsis offers the basic theme but doesn’t really do it justice. As great as the two main characters are, the brother sister duo of Paul and Tammy are just as hilarious, especially Tammy.

Back to the two stars: I think that, with all apologies to Ferris Bueler, this might be Broderick’s best ever role. Similar to Kevin Spacey in American Beauty he is facing a midlife crisis but he handles it quite differently. As for Witherspoon, she plays the perfect annoying high school *****.
Meh
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis:
A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Look we’re not electing the ****ing pope here! Just tell me who won - Matthew Broderick as Jim
McAllister

Black comedy about high school, based on the book by Tom Perrota, a great novelist (he later wrote The Leftovers) My synopsis offers the basic theme but doesn’t really do it justice. As great as the two main characters are, the brother sister duo of Paul and Tammy are just as hilarious, especially Tammy.

Back to the two stars: I think that, with all apologies to Ferris Bueler, this might be Broderick’s best ever role. Similar to Kevin Spacey in American Beauty he is facing a midlife crisis but he handles it quite differently. As for Witherspoon, she plays the perfect annoying high school *****.
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Black comedy should never be a top movie. Ever.
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Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
Yes
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
Also forgot Good Morning, Viet Nam. I mean it has Viet Nam right in the title.
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
Also forgot Good Morning, Viet Nam. I mean it has Viet Nam right in the title.
Didn't make my list but fair to bring it up.
 
14. Election (1999)

Directed by: Alexander Payne

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon

Synopsis:
A high school teacher so dislikes a girl running for student body president that he conspires and ultimately cheats to defeat her.

Look we’re not electing the ****ing pope here! Just tell me who won - Matthew Broderick as Jim
McAllister

Black comedy about high school, based on the book by Tom Perrota, a great novelist (he later wrote The Leftovers) My synopsis offers the basic theme but doesn’t really do it justice. As great as the two main characters are, the brother sister duo of Paul and Tammy are just as hilarious, especially Tammy.

Back to the two stars: I think that, with all apologies to Ferris Bueler, this might be Broderick’s best ever role. Similar to Kevin Spacey in American Beauty he is facing a midlife crisis but he handles it quite differently. As for Witherspoon, she plays the perfect annoying high school *****.
Really good movie. Big fan.

And I would rather rewatch White Men Can’t Jump any day of the week versus watching Election again.
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
Also forgot Good Morning, Viet Nam. I mean it has Viet Nam right in the title.
Didn't make my list but fair to bring it up.
I think when most people think about a "war" movie that isn't one that immediately jumps to mind. I really enjoyed the movie mainly because it was the perfect vehicle for Robin Williams to do Robin Williams things and I love that stuff. I have no idea how close it was to the real story of if it is a good depiction of war but it did have some war type things (bombing of the bar) that brought up some serious things.
 
Too many of you don't give the 2nd half of Jacket it's due.
There are five Vietnam era movies that encapsulate the war for me:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Hamburger Hill (1987)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

All five illustrate different aspects of the war and I think the years of release play a part in how we accept them. Apocalypse Now came out first and other than probably the Deer Hunter (1978) and the Green Berets (1968), nobody attempted to show the war for just how crazy it was before AN. Brando's performance is nuts but if you talk to vets, they all heard stories of groups like this during the war. Nobody served with any but there were always rumors of groups of soldiers going off the reservation.

Platoon, after a long break, comes along and is one of those war movies that just pulls you into the story. A lot of folks could identify with Chris and how we see his innocence morph to the hard edged war fighter necessary to survive in the jungles of Vietnam against an enemy you rarely see but continually lose friends to. The drudgery of 365 days of commitment to a war you don't understand against an enemy you can't see really comes through the movie. Then you feather in the battle of Good (Elias) vs Evil (Barnes) and it takes the film to a different level.

Full Metal Jacket takes us to the boot camp to experience R. Lee Ermey's masterful portrayal of Gunnery Sgt. Hartman which we've never seen before. Kind of like a look behind the curtain, this is how we make stone cold killers, "show me your war face!". The first half of the movie shows the systemic tear down and eventual build back up of raw recruits turning into marines ready for battle...except one. The second half of the movie also shows a view of the war not experienced in any of the other movies, fighting in the cities. Everyone identifies the jungle as the main stage for war fighting in Vietnam but there were also battles in the cities (Tet Offensive) so I like that they take a different approach to the war and show a side that is typically ignored.

Hamburger Hill again takes us back to the jungles and the futility of the war. The US spent a week taking Hill 937 only to relinquish it back to the North Vietnamese regulars a month later stating the hill had no strategic value as a permanent position. Because of the terrain, the US technological advantages were limited and this turned into a meat grinder of infantry charges against a well defended and dug in regiment of battle tested North Vietnamese. Again, as the US troops trudge through soul sucking mud, sliding back down the hill farther than they advance some days, you get drawn into the futility of it all.

Finally We Were Soldiers comes along after another long break and depicts one of the greatest victories of the war which ironically happened early on in the war (1965). The movie does a good job depicting the development of the new technology the US employed (helicopters) to bring large numbers of troops to the battlefield quickly. While ultimately successful, the movie illustrates two commanders that haven't come against eithers forces or capabilities in the war and the battle that rages for days. Technology eventually wins out but not without consequences. The movie does a good enough job illustrating the battle but also shows us the side of war rarely addressed, what happens back home. You spend a fair amount of time with the Army wives as they navigate life without their husbands & the eventual casualty notifications from the battle.

I think all of these come at the war from different angles and accomplish what they set out to do pretty well. Some are a little grittier than others but they all show a different side of the war than what I think someone with limited knowledge of the conflict anticipates. Most think it was a war in the jungles and it was, but it was had so many other aspects to it and I think all of these movies together, represent the conflict pretty well.

I would love to see and am desperately hoping that someone undertakes a movie about MACV-SOG while we still have those veterans with us. Incredible stories concerning the secret war in Laos & Cambodia.
Uncommon Valor down?
Also forgot Good Morning, Viet Nam. I mean it has Viet Nam right in the title.
Didn't make my list but fair to bring it up.
I think when most people think about a "war" movie that isn't one that immediately jumps to mind. I really enjoyed the movie mainly because it was the perfect vehicle for Robin Williams to do Robin Williams things and I love that stuff. I have no idea how close it was to the real story of if it is a good depiction of war but it did have some war type things (bombing of the bar) that brought up some serious things.
Yea, that's really well put and kind of how I feel about it. Love the movie and while there is war stuff in it, that's not the focus of the movie. I think it also showed yet another level of acting from Williams combining his zany act with some serious chops. Love him in the movies, pretty much any one he did.
 
I know Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Apocalyse Now and Full Metal Jacket are the GOAT of war movies but there's another (a few actully) war movie from the 90's I would add to my list.
 
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