****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (1 Viewer)

[NCCommish]

Exactly what we want to hear coming off a bye week: "We didn't really practice well and that has to get better"

That's not what he said. He said practice was good but not good enough. I like that they are setting a high bar in practice and I like that Rivera is honest enough to say it wasn't good enough and to call out the players on it as he did after the practice.

I'm not sure of the distinction you are making. I don't see much of a difference in your phrasing and mine. I have no idea what "good" means to them, so I'm not really sure how high the bar's been set. I also like Rivera's honesty about them not practicing to his expectation, but either way it's not what you want to hear coming out of a bye. That's really the only point I was attempting to make.

The distinction seems obvious. You said "We didn't really practice well and that has to get better". What he said in the interview was that they had a good practice but it wasn't good enough for him. A good practice and not practicing well seems like two different things.

 

[NCCommish]

Looks like the Beast will be a Giant. He has to pass the physical but he should be able to do that. He just isn't what he was anymore. It's shame as he always seemed like a true pro and a guy who left it all on the field. But his contract did void after this year so if they can get something for him that's better than what Hurney would have done which is sign him to a huge extension or let him walk for nothing in return. We can always use another draft pick.

 

[Jayrok]

Do you know what round the draft pick might be? Wish they could somehow get Nicks in the deal.

 

[NCCommish]

Do you know what round the draft pick might be? Wish they could somehow get Nicks in the deal.

I have heard it's a lower round pick. My guess is it's conditional on how much he plays. I don't think they are giving us Nicks.

 

[rascal]

Is the d legit? I was skimming thru players available on yahoo, and they have them the #1 ranked D for ROS...lol

 

[elbowrm]

A certain site with certain tools available to subscribers that tends to be more reputable has them #3

 

[NCCommish]

Seriously? We got Smith dropping sure touchddowns, we got LaFell dropping first downs, then Cam starts throwing comebacks where either he was wrong or the receiver was and at least once I am pretty sure it was the receiver, our d-line is playing against a rookie and really doesn't do much and lastly their guy comes back after a four game layoff and plays the entire game. Anything I really want to write would be censored. A lot.

 

[The Commish]

Well.....I'd like other's perspective because I may just be coming from a bad place :(

I was unnecessarily teased the first 2-3 drives by Cam and embarrassed at how bad the OC is at making adjustments to respond to defensive adjustments. For the first time this year, even though they were only up by 3 at half, I thought they were going to be ok. The game plan looked solid, but Cam had problems pulling the trigger again. So inconsistent. It didn't help that all the WRs were dropping balls left and right...Smith included. The second half rolls around and Shula and the O-Line act as if they have never seen this blitz thing again and don't ever seem to adjust to it. I have no idea why they didn't do in the second half what they did in the first, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach??

Just bad all around I guess. It's pathetic that they looked this ill prepared after a bye week. Will be interesting to hear Smith's comments today on WFNZ

 

[JustinHawkins]

I love Smitty as much as any WR in recent memory but he should NOT be a #1 WR. This team should spend it's first round pick on a WR (Watkins please) and then sign Nicks so they can move Smith to the slot.

 

[elbowrm]

The key to the Giants game was finally having designed running plays for Cam. Well, other than the 7 sacks I guess. But for the life of me I don't understand why they insist on keeping him in the pocket. Just atrocious. Let the Gruden watch begin.

 

[Jayrok]

The key to the Giants game was finally having designed running plays for Cam. Well, other than the 7 sacks I guess. But for the life of me I don't understand why they insist on keeping him in the pocket. Just atrocious. Let the Gruden watch begin.

Gruden isn't leaving his cushy job in the booth.

 

[Worm]

Flush this staff and start over imo.

 

[Jayrok]

This team lacks so much discipline. LeFail drops the 4th down pass trying to turn and run with the ball. Hey bozo, just get the first down. He goes to the sideline and Rivera basically just pats him on the helmet, it's ok... LeFail is next seen on the bench laughing.

Zona kicks off out of the back of the end zone and we still get a personal foul/block in the back. yeesh.

 

[Jayrok]

Well.....I'd like other's perspective because I may just be coming from a bad place :(

I was unnecessarily teased the first 2-3 drives by Cam and embarrassed at how bad the OC is at making adjustments to respond to defensive adjustments. For the first time this year, even though they were only up by 3 at half, I thought they were going to be ok. The game plan looked solid, but Cam had problems pulling the trigger again. So inconsistent. It didn't help that all the WRs were dropping balls left and right...Smith included. The second half rolls around and Shula and the O-Line act as if they have never seen this blitz thing again and don't ever seem to adjust to it. I have no idea why they didn't do in the second half what they did in the first, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach??

Just bad all around I guess. It's pathetic that they looked this ill prepared after a bye week. Will be interesting to hear Smith's comments today on WFNZ

The coaching search is well underway I imagine. Lots of talent on this team, but they need direction and discipline.

I wouldn't mind them looking at Chad Morris (Clemson OC) to be offensive coordinator next season (not head coach). He will be courted by many colleges this off season for a head coaching job. He runs a great offense.

 

[The Commish]

Well.....I'd like other's perspective because I may just be coming from a bad place :(

I was unnecessarily teased the first 2-3 drives by Cam and embarrassed at how bad the OC is at making adjustments to respond to defensive adjustments. For the first time this year, even though they were only up by 3 at half, I thought they were going to be ok. The game plan looked solid, but Cam had problems pulling the trigger again. So inconsistent. It didn't help that all the WRs were dropping balls left and right...Smith included. The second half rolls around and Shula and the O-Line act as if they have never seen this blitz thing again and don't ever seem to adjust to it. I have no idea why they didn't do in the second half what they did in the first, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach??

Just bad all around I guess. It's pathetic that they looked this ill prepared after a bye week. Will be interesting to hear Smith's comments today on WFNZ

The coaching search is well underway I imagine. Lots of talent on this team, but they need direction and discipline.

I wouldn't mind them looking at Chad Morris (Clemson OC) to be offensive coordinator next season (not head coach). He will be courted by many colleges this off season for a head coaching job. He runs a great offense.

I am game for whatever's going to provide a lot more consistency.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well.....I'd like other's perspective because I may just be coming from a bad place :(

I was unnecessarily teased the first 2-3 drives by Cam and embarrassed at how bad the OC is at making adjustments to respond to defensive adjustments. For the first time this year, even though they were only up by 3 at half, I thought they were going to be ok. The game plan looked solid, but Cam had problems pulling the trigger again. So inconsistent. It didn't help that all the WRs were dropping balls left and right...Smith included. The second half rolls around and Shula and the O-Line act as if they have never seen this blitz thing again and don't ever seem to adjust to it. I have no idea why they didn't do in the second half what they did in the first, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach??

Just bad all around I guess. It's pathetic that they looked this ill prepared after a bye week. Will be interesting to hear Smith's comments today on WFNZ

The coaching search is well underway I imagine. Lots of talent on this team, but they need direction and discipline.

I wouldn't mind them looking at Chad Morris (Clemson OC) to be offensive coordinator next season (not head coach). He will be courted by many colleges this off season for a head coaching job. He runs a great offense.

I am game for whatever's going to provide a lot more consistency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxA8zqa6MEg

 

[The Commish]

Well.....I'd like other's perspective because I may just be coming from a bad place :(

I was unnecessarily teased the first 2-3 drives by Cam and embarrassed at how bad the OC is at making adjustments to respond to defensive adjustments. For the first time this year, even though they were only up by 3 at half, I thought they were going to be ok. The game plan looked solid, but Cam had problems pulling the trigger again. So inconsistent. It didn't help that all the WRs were dropping balls left and right...Smith included. The second half rolls around and Shula and the O-Line act as if they have never seen this blitz thing again and don't ever seem to adjust to it. I have no idea why they didn't do in the second half what they did in the first, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach??

Just bad all around I guess. It's pathetic that they looked this ill prepared after a bye week. Will be interesting to hear Smith's comments today on WFNZ

The coaching search is well underway I imagine. Lots of talent on this team, but they need direction and discipline.

I wouldn't mind them looking at Chad Morris (Clemson OC) to be offensive coordinator next season (not head coach). He will be courted by many colleges this off season for a head coaching job. He runs a great offense.

I am game for whatever's going to provide a lot more consistency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxA8zqa6MEg

Until the coaching staff tries to change him or make him do something he struggles with Doesn't matter anyway. I see ZERO scenarios he escapes JAX

 

[pantherclub]

Few things:

Chad Morris would be an interesting person for the NFL. He obviously is not head coach material yet so I am not sure how you can fire Rivera and find a way to hire Morris. Its obvious though Morris has a great offensive mind.

Rivera just looks absolutely clueless sometimes on the sidelines. No adjustments at all and he allowed Cam to just get drilled over and over again.

There are a ton of needs on this team (OL, corner, etc) but the most pressing has to be Wide Receiver. At the rate we are going it seems we will be in the Sammy Watkins draft range of pick 5-15. He is exactly what the panthers are missing at the skill position.

I know Bridgewater is good but so far the most impressive qb I have seen is the kid from Fla St. Holy crap he made some amazing throws on Sat. Whenever he comes out he will be a lock for #1.

 

[BassNBrew]

Great, now Geno Smith can be added to the list of QBs playing better than Cam.

 

[pantherclub]

Great, now Geno Smith can be added to the list of QBs playing better than Cam.

I dont think Cam is playing that bad. He had a good first half, his wr's let him down and his coach had a horrendous game plan in the 2nd half.

 

[The Commish]

Great, now Geno Smith can be added to the list of QBs playing better than Cam.

He can certainly be added to the list of QBs making a late comeback to win the game. Hard to define the "better" term in this case...or ever for that matter.

 

[NCCommish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

 

[The Commish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

 

[FUBAR]

Great, now Geno Smith can be added to the list of QBs playing better than Cam.

I dont think Cam is playing that bad. He had a good first half, his wr's let him down and his coach had a horrendous game plan in the 2nd half.

Smith has been horrendous with targets vs. receptions, but is it his fault?

Surprisingly aside from week 2, Ginn's hands have been pretty steady. Just looking at stats here, so if someone has seen differently, please share.

 

[pantherclub]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

 

[JustinHawkins]

Yep, that was one of MANY examples of why the Panthers need to clean house. Just horrible waste of valuable draft picks.

 

[NCCommish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Jimmy Graham was selected just a few picks later.

 

[The Commish]

Great, now Geno Smith can be added to the list of QBs playing better than Cam.

I dont think Cam is playing that bad. He had a good first half, his wr's let him down and his coach had a horrendous game plan in the 2nd half.

Smith has been horrendous with targets vs. receptions, but is it his fault?

Surprisingly aside from week 2, Ginn's hands have been pretty steady. Just looking at stats here, so if someone has seen differently, please share.

According to Smith, it's his fault...take it FWIW

 

[pantherclub]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Jimmy Graham was selected just a few picks later.

no its not hindsight, everyone and their brother knew that was a horrible trade/pick at the time

 

[JFS171]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Jimmy Graham was selected just a few picks later.

no its not hindsight, everyone and their brother knew that was a horrible trade/pick at the time

I believe his point was that even if they didn't take Armanti, there's no guarantee they'd have taken Graham.

 

[JFS171]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

 

[NCCommish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Jimmy Graham was selected just a few picks later.

no its not hindsight, everyone and their brother knew that was a horrible trade/pick at the time

Did everyone know Jimmy Graham was going to be what he is? That's more what I meant.

 

[The Commish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

He had pretty good insight as to where Peterson is as a CB as well. Said almost verbatim what I said in the Cam issues thread with regards to "making players around you better". He also discussed the lack of team identity as well and understands that they have lost a lot of fans and the only way to get them back is to win. Called spades spades but also owned up to his mistakes. He comes on the station every Monday (except this week...was his anniversary). You can listen from 3 - 7pm...he's usually on the whole show, but one of the hosts is hard to take. Complete doofus IMO.

 

[pantherclub]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

it was a 3rd and basically a first for Armanti. This was a guy that everybody said you could have gotten as an UFA after the draft. Hurney was seriously drunk that day

Hindsight is always 20/20 but Jimmy Graham was selected just a few picks later.

no its not hindsight, everyone and their brother knew that was a horrible trade/pick at the time

Did everyone know Jimmy Graham was going to be what he is? That's more what I meant.

gotcha

 

[pantherclub]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

He had pretty good insight as to where Peterson is as a CB as well. Said almost verbatim what I said in the Cam issues thread with regards to "making players around you better". He also discussed the lack of team identity as well and understands that they have lost a lot of fans and the only way to get them back is to win. Called spades spades but also owned up to his mistakes. He comes on the station every Monday (except this week...was his anniversary). You can listen from 3 - 7pm...he's usually on the whole show, but one of the hosts is hard to take. Complete doofus IMO.

sounds like that station really misses Packer

 

[The Commish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

He had pretty good insight as to where Peterson is as a CB as well. Said almost verbatim what I said in the Cam issues thread with regards to "making players around you better". He also discussed the lack of team identity as well and understands that they have lost a lot of fans and the only way to get them back is to win. Called spades spades but also owned up to his mistakes. He comes on the station every Monday (except this week...was his anniversary). You can listen from 3 - 7pm...he's usually on the whole show, but one of the hosts is hard to take. Complete doofus IMO.

sounds like that station really misses Packer

All the other timeslots are a lot better, but 3 - 7 is brutal to me. Like nails on a chalkboard. Taylor Z's pretty good, but influence of his co-host is rubbing off and he has "moments".

 

[BassNBrew]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

He had pretty good insight as to where Peterson is as a CB as well. Said almost verbatim what I said in the Cam issues thread with regards to "making players around you better". He also discussed the lack of team identity as well and understands that they have lost a lot of fans and the only way to get them back is to win. Called spades spades but also owned up to his mistakes. He comes on the station every Monday (except this week...was his anniversary). You can listen from 3 - 7pm...he's usually on the whole show, but one of the hosts is hard to take. Complete doofus IMO.

sounds like that station really misses Packer

Not one bit imo.

 

[The Commish]

And so ends the Armanti experiment. Gettleman getting his cut on.

One of the worst draft moves ever. Nothing against the kid...liked him a lot, but man from a business perspective it was truly terrible.

Really liked Smith's time on wfnz yesterday.

Can you give a brief synopsis of some of what he said for those of us displaced from CLT?

He had pretty good insight as to where Peterson is as a CB as well. Said almost verbatim what I said in the Cam issues thread with regards to "making players around you better". He also discussed the lack of team identity as well and understands that they have lost a lot of fans and the only way to get them back is to win. Called spades spades but also owned up to his mistakes. He comes on the station every Monday (except this week...was his anniversary). You can listen from 3 - 7pm...he's usually on the whole show, but one of the hosts is hard to take. Complete doofus IMO.

sounds like that station really misses Packer

Not one bit imo.

Only when Taylor's not on do I actually miss Packer.

 

[pantherclub]

Packers show in the early 2000's was the best regional sport show I have heard. His format of rotating guests and the wide range of topics was kick ###. He turned into some morning zoo show in the later years.

 

[The Commish]

Packers show in the early 2000's was the best regional sport show I have heard. His format of rotating guests and the wide range of topics was kick ###. He turned into some morning zoo show in the later years.

He'd let the audience run the show and rarely gave opinions. Later, he started interjecting more opinion. I didn't really have a problem with his show, but it did go downhill a bit near the end. I think his ego got a bit bigger than it should have. With that said, I'd take him in a heartbeat if it meant that Marc James goob wasn't allowed on the air ever again.

 

[pantherclub]

Packers show in the early 2000's was the best regional sport show I have heard. His format of rotating guests and the wide range of topics was kick ###. He turned into some morning zoo show in the later years.

He'd let the audience run the show and rarely gave opinions. Later, he started interjecting more opinion. I didn't really have a problem with his show, but it did go downhill a bit near the end. I think his ego got a bit bigger than it should have. With that said, I'd take him in a heartbeat if it meant that Marc James goob wasn't allowed on the air ever again.

He had a big ego for sure and yeah his show slowed down a bit in the end. Giving more power to the moron QCB etc was the downfall. The whiner line had its moments but just became a tired bit in the end. He had some outstanding guests sit in though and that made it the best show. He still does a show on xm but its more of a national college show so that really is hard to nail down a vibe when you are covering the entire country

 

[NCCommish]

So I was feeling pretty negative about this team. But you know there have been some good things. Star and KK look like the real deals. Sure they are still learning but the talent is there, let's hope the coaching is. And how can you not like what Lester is doing? I mean we might have another candidate for DROY if he keeps it up. Then you have White who looks like he could be a very good corner for us for a long time with a little more practice. And really even the cuts have been good things for us. I love Beason and what he brought to the team but he was gone next year. We at least got something for him which is a huge change in Pantherland. And Armanti. I don't think he ever got a fair shake here. And I think if he was coming into the league today whoever drafted him wouldn't be wanting to convert him. But with Ginn stepping up there was no place for him. And it cleared the way to bring in another big fast receiver. I like a lot of what I see happening and maybe I need to give Gettleman some more time before I jump off the ledge.

 

[pantherclub]

So I was feeling pretty negative about this team. But you know there have been some good things. Star and KK look like the real deals. Sure they are still learning but the talent is there, let's hope the coaching is. And how can you not like what Lester is doing? I mean we might have another candidate for DROY if he keeps it up. Then you have White who looks like he could be a very good corner for us for a long time with a little more practice. And really even the cuts have been good things for us. I love Beason and what he brought to the team but he was gone next year. We at least got something for him which is a huge change in Pantherland. And Armanti. I don't think he ever got a fair shake here. And I think if he was coming into the league today whoever drafted him wouldn't be wanting to convert him. But with Ginn stepping up there was no place for him. And it cleared the way to bring in another big fast receiver. I like a lot of what I see happening and maybe I need to give Gettleman some more time before I jump off the ledge.

I thought Lester was a great UFA when we got him. Still cannot believe he didnt get drafted. All he did was make big play after big play at Alabama.

One more loss and this team is done. Playoffs would be an impossible task after that. Just need to focus on getting an offensive coach to work with Cam. The crap they are doing now (whatever it is) just isnt working.

 

[simey]

So I was feeling pretty negative about this team. But you know there have been some good things. Star and KK look like the real deals. Sure they are still learning but the talent is there, let's hope the coaching is. And how can you not like what Lester is doing? I mean we might have another candidate for DROY if he keeps it up. Then you have White who looks like he could be a very good corner for us for a long time with a little more practice. And really even the cuts have been good things for us. I love Beason and what he brought to the team but he was gone next year. We at least got something for him which is a huge change in Pantherland. And Armanti. I don't think he ever got a fair shake here. And I think if he was coming into the league today whoever drafted him wouldn't be wanting to convert him. But with Ginn stepping up there was no place for him. And it cleared the way to bring in another big fast receiver. I like a lot of what I see happening and maybe I need to give Gettleman some more time before I jump off the ledge.

Gettleman hasn't even been around a full season yet. He definitely deserves more time to do his thing, and I think so far he has made some good choices like you mentioned. I wish the Big Cat hadn't given Rivera this year to turn the team around, but he did, so it's once again a year of watching a team coached by lame duck coach . At least Gettleman can prepare for his own guy next season.

 

[BassNBrew]

Packers show in the early 2000's was the best regional sport show I have heard. His format of rotating guests and the wide range of topics was kick ###. He turned into some morning zoo show in the later years.

He'd let the audience run the show and rarely gave opinions. Later, he started interjecting more opinion. I didn't really have a problem with his show, but it did go downhill a bit near the end. I think his ego got a bit bigger than it should have. With that said, I'd take him in a heartbeat if it meant that Marc James goob wasn't allowed on the air ever again.

He had a big ego for sure and yeah his show slowed down a bit in the end. Giving more power to the moron QCB etc was the downfall. The whiner line had its moments but just became a tired bit in the end. He had some outstanding guests sit in though and that made it the best show. He still does a show on xm but its more of a national college show so that really is hard to nail down a vibe when you are covering the entire country

Yeah, his show got real choppy in the later years. He then spent more time promoting himself and the Southern Fried Football Tour. QCB used to be entertaining at times, now he has turned into Lhucks. My biggest pet peeve with Packer was that he punted December every year. I can understand a few days off, but turning your back on the peak of football season is lame.

One thing about Taylor and Marc is that they get the local players on the air. I really enjoy listening to Steve Smith.

 

[BassNBrew]

Curious as to why no one has taken a shot on Gettis. Guy was on fire during pre-season.

 

[NCCommish]

Curious as to why no one has taken a shot on Gettis. Guy was on fire during pre-season.

Eagles worked him out but didn't sign him.

 

[The Commish]

So I was feeling pretty negative about this team. But you know there have been some good things. Star and KK look like the real deals. Sure they are still learning but the talent is there, let's hope the coaching is. And how can you not like what Lester is doing? I mean we might have another candidate for DROY if he keeps it up. Then you have White who looks like he could be a very good corner for us for a long time with a little more practice. And really even the cuts have been good things for us. I love Beason and what he brought to the team but he was gone next year. We at least got something for him which is a huge change in Pantherland. And Armanti. I don't think he ever got a fair shake here. And I think if he was coming into the league today whoever drafted him wouldn't be wanting to convert him. But with Ginn stepping up there was no place for him. And it cleared the way to bring in another big fast receiver. I like a lot of what I see happening and maybe I need to give Gettleman some more time before I jump off the ledge.

I don't think I'm close to jumping off a ledge...I'm just frustrated because the solutions to the problems seem fairly obvious. It makes me wonder what else is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. So far Gettleman has been freakin' awesome. I've always believed we have the talent on this team. They need direction and discipline though because without those things, it doesn't matter how the individuals are playing. It's hard for me to get excited about individual performances when they aren't translating to wins. Unfortunately there have been some VERY good individual performers on this team this year but they are going unnoticed because the wins aren't coming.

As for Armanti, I'm not sure I agree. The unfair part for him is what the organization paid for him. He had no control over that, but I don't know many fans that expected more out of him than what was paid (if that makes sense). The reality is he was given four years on this team and drew a paycheck that whole time. If we're being honest, he might have been a 6th round pick if drafted at all. If he'd been drafted where he was suppose to be, four years is a long time to keep someone around to see if they're gonna pan out. Outside the QB position, I don't know when someone's kept that long to prove themselves.

 

[The Commish]

Packers show in the early 2000's was the best regional sport show I have heard. His format of rotating guests and the wide range of topics was kick ###. He turned into some morning zoo show in the later years.

He'd let the audience run the show and rarely gave opinions. Later, he started interjecting more opinion. I didn't really have a problem with his show, but it did go downhill a bit near the end. I think his ego got a bit bigger than it should have. With that said, I'd take him in a heartbeat if it meant that Marc James goob wasn't allowed on the air ever again.

He had a big ego for sure and yeah his show slowed down a bit in the end. Giving more power to the moron QCB etc was the downfall. The whiner line had its moments but just became a tired bit in the end. He had some outstanding guests sit in though and that made it the best show. He still does a show on xm but its more of a national college show so that really is hard to nail down a vibe when you are covering the entire country

Yeah, his show got real choppy in the later years. He then spent more time promoting himself and the Southern Fried Football Tour. QCB used to be entertaining at times, now he has turned into Lhucks. My biggest pet peeve with Packer was that he punted December every year. I can understand a few days off, but turning your back on the peak of football season is lame.

One thing about Taylor and Marc is that they get the local players on the air. I really enjoy listening to Steve Smith.

Tony (executive producer) delivers Steve Smith as well as Olsen FWIW. Some of the CBS analysts come from the hosts and I agree on the Dec thing....used to annoy me. I always felt like he should do that in mid summer like everyone else

 

[NCCommish]

So I was feeling pretty negative about this team. But you know there have been some good things. Star and KK look like the real deals. Sure they are still learning but the talent is there, let's hope the coaching is. And how can you not like what Lester is doing? I mean we might have another candidate for DROY if he keeps it up. Then you have White who looks like he could be a very good corner for us for a long time with a little more practice. And really even the cuts have been good things for us. I love Beason and what he brought to the team but he was gone next year. We at least got something for him which is a huge change in Pantherland. And Armanti. I don't think he ever got a fair shake here. And I think if he was coming into the league today whoever drafted him wouldn't be wanting to convert him. But with Ginn stepping up there was no place for him. And it cleared the way to bring in another big fast receiver. I like a lot of what I see happening and maybe I need to give Gettleman some more time before I jump off the ledge.

I don't think I'm close to jumping off a ledge...I'm just frustrated because the solutions to the problems seem fairly obvious. It makes me wonder what else is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. So far Gettleman has been freakin' awesome. I've always believed we have the talent on this team. They need direction and discipline though because without those things, it doesn't matter how the individuals are playing. It's hard for me to get excited about individual performances when they aren't translating to wins. Unfortunately there have been some VERY good individual performers on this team this year but they are going unnoticed because the wins aren't coming.

As for Armanti, I'm not sure I agree. The unfair part for him is what the organization paid for him. He had no control over that, but I don't know many fans that expected more out of him than what was paid (if that makes sense). The reality is he was given four years on this team and drew a paycheck that whole time. If we're being honest, he might have been a 6th round pick if drafted at all. If he'd been drafted where he was suppose to be, four years is a long time to keep someone around to see if they're gonna pan out. Outside the QB position, I don't know when someone's kept that long to prove themselves.

I would think if Armanti was drafted this year whoever took him would be thinking Russell Wilson. He never got a shot to be a QB which is what he was. And I still say he could have done more than Clausen. Certainly the Panthers over paid. He shouldn't have been drafted by us at all. But my point was that given RG3 and Wilson he would have had a shot to play his position if he had been coming out a couple of years later.