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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (2 Viewers)

simey said:
I think the contract negotiations Hurney had with Davis and Olsen were good and fair, and I also think him trading Benjamin for a couple draft picks was a good move too. 
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Gonna disagree on the last part, and from what I read the framework, at least for the Olsen deal, was done by GMan.  Hurney just signed it.

By multiple reports, Hurney didn't talk to anyone else in the league about Benjamin.  The Bills called, he negotiated with them and made the deal.  That's incredibly stupid.  You've got to cross check and confirm the marketplace.  Teams like Cleveland, Washington, New England, etc. were looking for receiver help.  That doesn't mean that the end result would've been any different (maybe Buffalo was already making the best offer), but we'll never know.  Maybe one of those teams would've traded a 2nd.  Maybe other bidders would've forced Buffalo to pay a 2nd.  Terrible, terrible process.  That's negotiating 101, and Hurney failed miserably.

 
NCCommish said:
Actually it was probably done to preclude the NFL revoking his franchise. The team should fetch 1.5 billion plus if they revoke he gets nothing.
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I'm sure Donald Sterling was very much on his mind. Sterling made out like a bandit on his sale, but in the meantime his reputation got completely destroyed (deservedly so). Richardson probably figures better to take the money and hope the story dies a relatively quiet death. I'm sure some bad details will still come out, but it won't become a national soap opera like Sterling, Weinstein, Moore, etc.

 
JFS171 said:
Gonna disagree on the last part, and from what I read the framework, at least for the Olsen deal, was done by GMan.  Hurney just signed it.

By multiple reports, Hurney didn't talk to anyone else in the league about Benjamin.  The Bills called, he negotiated with them and made the deal.  That's incredibly stupid.  You've got to cross check and confirm the marketplace.  Teams like Cleveland, Washington, New England, etc. were looking for receiver help.  That doesn't mean that the end result would've been any different (maybe Buffalo was already making the best offer), but we'll never know.  Maybe one of those teams would've traded a 2nd.  Maybe other bidders would've forced Buffalo to pay a 2nd.  Terrible, terrible process.  That's negotiating 101, and Hurney failed miserably.
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Sometimes the right move is taking the deal in front of you too.

 
Magic_Man said:
Sometimes the right move is taking the deal in front of you too.
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Sometimes ... sure .  I highly doubt other teams weren't willing to pay that price or more, but again ... we'll never know.  The price wasn't so overwhelming as to not ask around.

 
JFS171 said:
Gonna disagree on the last part, and from what I read the framework, at least for the Olsen deal, was done by GMan.  Hurney just signed it.

By multiple reports, Hurney didn't talk to anyone else in the league about Benjamin.  The Bills called, he negotiated with them and made the deal.  That's incredibly stupid.  You've got to cross check and confirm the marketplace.  Teams like Cleveland, Washington, New England, etc. were looking for receiver help.  That doesn't mean that the end result would've been any different (maybe Buffalo was already making the best offer), but we'll never know.  Maybe one of those teams would've traded a 2nd.  Maybe other bidders would've forced Buffalo to pay a 2nd.  Terrible, terrible process.  That's negotiating 101, and Hurney failed miserably.
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According to a Panthers writer, Hurney orchestrated Olsen's deal and Benjamin's trade. I will go with what he says. The writer also said that Hurney's contract runs through June of 2018, so unless his contract is terminated before then, he will be there on draft day. 

 
pantherclub said:
Former Top Cat promoted to COO.
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That's an unfair characterization. She has worked her way up through the organization and held many positions along the way. From everything I've read she seems very qualified at this point based on that experience to run the business operations of this organization. She isn't making personnel decisions. Although I would guess she would be involved to some degree in the GM issue.

 
NCCommish said:
That's an unfair characterization. She has worked her way up through the organization and held many positions along the way. From everything I've read she seems very qualified at this point based on that experience to run the business operations of this organization. She isn't making personnel decisions. Although I would guess she would be involved to some degree in the GM issue.
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I was just busting balls.  I don't have a problem with her and she will not be in the position very long.  

 
NCCommish said:
That's an unfair characterization. She has worked her way up through the organization and held many positions along the way. From everything I've read she seems very qualified at this point based on that experience to run the business operations of this organization. She isn't making personnel decisions. Although I would guess she would be involved to some degree in the GM issue.
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Kind of a nice fu to Jerry.  Hopefully she'll tell him to turn around and show her his ###.

 
So Diddy is putting together an ownership group. Still don't think he has NFL money. And I think he has already shot off his mouth a little too much. He can't just buy the team he has to be approved. And he is already courting controversy.

Read that Eddie DeBartolo is interested. So will a formerly suspended owner with a record be able to buy in?

 
NCCommish said:
So Diddy is putting together an ownership group. Still don't think he has NFL money. And I think he has already shot off his mouth a little too much. He can't just buy the team he has to be approved. And he is already courting controversy.

Read that Eddie DeBartolo is interested. So will a formerly suspended owner with a record be able to buy in?
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Peyton Manning putting an ownership group together wouldn't surprise me.  

 
Diddy wouldn't be able to just walk up with a few pals and buy the team.  Even if he scratches up funds, the NFL is a country club.  Jerrah and the other boys would have to approve.  There are several minor owners of the team right now who would have a say as well.  The Belk family is a local owner that might be interested.  

Someone who could just write a check for the whole lot?  Jeff Bezos.  Also think of the deal he could strike with the NFL regarding streaming of games. Not sure if he is a football fan, but he could certainly do it without any help, financially anyway.  

 
The Belks, Levines, and Bissels have each had billion + liquidity events in the last two years - add Bruton Smith or Ric Elias to the existing minority LP group and they could easily get it done, as I don't see any of those folks having much of a desire to be the public face of the ownership.

 
elbowrm said:
The Belks, Levines, and Bissels have each had billion + liquidity events in the last two years - add Bruton Smith or Ric Elias to the existing minority LP group and they could easily get it done, as I don't see any of those folks having much of a desire to be the public face of the ownership.
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Yes.  I'd like to see some of the minority owners increase their holdings in the team.  There's the Wordsworths, the biggest minority shareholders of the Panthers.  Also local is James Goodnight (~$10B) who could buy the team alone.  I just want them to keep the team in Charlotte.  

 
Jayrok said:
Yes.  I'd like to see some of the minority owners increase their holdings in the team.  There's the Wordsworths, the biggest minority shareholders of the Panthers.  Also local is James Goodnight (~$10B) who could buy the team alone.  I just want them to keep the team in Charlotte.  
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I actually know the Wordsworths and their son pretty well.   Their sons wife and my wife are friends.  I have been to games with them in their suite.  They must certainly enjoy "owning" the panthers and all the perks that go with it but they 100% absolutely do not want to be the face of the franchise.  These are down home country people that accumulated a fortune by impeccable timing and hard work.  They are not cut out for the glamor of being an owner.

That said someone told me yesterday that if Jerry wants to sell 100% of the team that he could force them all to sell due to some stipulation in the ownership agreement.

Goodnight could easily buy the Panthers but he doesnt give two chits about sports.  That could obviously change since this is the NFL but he is more or less a nerd that hit it rich.

 
JFS171 said:
You think so?  I don't think so at all ... 

To me, JR has always been kind of a jerk to me.  I lost a lot of respect for him during the lockout with how callously he treated players as if he, as an NFL owner, wasn't making money hand over fist.  I've thought he was the biggest problem in the organization for years ... thrilled he's selling.
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:goodposting:   Pretty much squarely where I'm at.

 
pantherclub said:
I actually know the Wordsworths and their son pretty well.   Their sons wife and my wife are friends.  I have been to games with them in their suite.  They must certainly enjoy "owning" the panthers and all the perks that go with it but they 100% absolutely do not want to be the face of the franchise.  These are down home country people that accumulated a fortune by impeccable timing and hard work.  They are not cut out for the glamor of being an owner.

That said someone told me yesterday that if Jerry wants to sell 100% of the team that he could force them all to sell due to some stipulation in the ownership agreement.

Goodnight could easily buy the Panthers but he doesnt give two chits about sports.  That could obviously change since this is the NFL but he is more or less a nerd that hit it rich.
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I didn't know that.  Interesting.  Tell the Wordsworths that you will be the face of the franchise!  

 
Rumors of moving the team seem crazy to me, but hopefully I'm not just blinded by fandom.  Team sells out every game, Charlotte supports the team extremely well, and the stadium has been updated for the next decade or more.  

Generally speaking, teams move when something goes wrong with the stadium or the local community isn't supporting them (attendance issues and the like).  Those aren't problems here, so why move?  One rumor was St. Louis -- really?  They just lost a team cause the stadium wasn't up to snuff and the city didn't want to help build another one.

ETA - if the league allows JR to process this like he wants, he'll ensure whomever purchases the team keeps them in the Carolinas.  It's his legacy, however tarnished (or not) it may be when everything from this investigation comes to light.

 
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NCCommish said:
So for Combs that means spending pretty much every penny he has to acquire the 30% and then have 250 million left to be in charge. Like I said he doesn't have NFL money. Niether do any of the people climbing on his bandwagon. This is a billionaire's club now.
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People just dont quite get how much money a billion is.   Another thing is that these guys have made crazy good choices their life and a lot of them may pass on the idea of owning a team.  Maybe its too much work for too little payout. 

 
pantherclub said:
People just dont quite get how much money a billion is.   Another thing is that these guys have made crazy good choices their life and a lot of them may pass on the idea of owning a team.  Maybe its too much work for too little payout. 
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Felix Sabates has said his ownership group isn't looking for income they want equity growth. And they want to keep the team here.

 
NCCommish said:
Felix Sabates has said his ownership group isn't looking for income they want equity growth. And they want to keep the team here.
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and they want the city to build them a 1.5ish billion dollar stadium with a retractable roof.  Its so stupid as BOA stadium is pretty damn nice.  The in essence that potential group is already holding that over the citys head

 
pantherclub said:
and they want the city to build them a 1.5ish billion dollar stadium with a retractable roof.  Its so stupid as BOA stadium is pretty damn nice.  The in essence that potential group is already holding that over the citys head
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Then they can move. No money for a new stadium when we have been told the current stadium will be profitable for at least 15 years.

 
Really need to win this weekend.  A loss puts us in a very bad situation as our tiebreakers don't look good and Atlanta will either be playing for a playoff berth or divine title.  Dallas and Seattle are threats.  Need Seattle to win this week and Minn to win so that Philly has something to play for v. Dallas in week 17.

 
BassNBrew said:
Really need to win this weekend.  A loss puts us in a very bad situation as our tiebreakers don't look good and Atlanta will either be playing for a playoff berth or divine title.  Dallas and Seattle are threats.  Need Seattle to win this week and Minn to win so that Philly has something to play for v. Dallas in week 17.
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TB is so banged up we should be able to pull it off without the late drama if we play how we have been.

 
I wouldn't mind Vince buying the Panthers.  He could make HHH GM and bring in Rick Flair to run the PR department.  WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 
Not really surprised the Bucs played us so hard. Not sure why anyone is. It's always like this. We can suck all year and they can be rolling and we do the same thing to them. It's happened time and again. When these teams meet toss their records it's almost always close.

 
NCCommish said:
Not really surprised the Bucs played us so hard. Not sure why anyone is. It's always like this. We can suck all year and they can be rolling and we do the same thing to them. It's happened time and again. When these teams meet toss their records it's almost always close.
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Division games are always tough. The teams know each other so well, and fight and scrap to the bitter end.

 
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