The Dez Bryant Pro Day Watch Thread (1 Viewer)

[BuckeyeArt]

Or maybe I just used the 4.52 time because he matched it when they had him run a 3rd time. I'm guessing that's the time the teams will use as well.

Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.

Yes. Why do you think they had him run a 3rd time? Possibly to figure out which was the outlier?

 

[Cassius]

Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.

Why wouldn't they? Point of running a 40 is to see how fast you can run it. Bryant can run it in 4.52. Case closed.

 

[Warpig]

Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.

Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout

I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.

Well spoken? Negative. Soft spoken? Perhaps. Nervous? Probably so. Too many "umm"s and "you know"s. Surprised he didn't throw in some "ya knowimsayin"s in there. Seems like just another confident/cocky athlete. However, he did have respect. I don't know for sure, but I read that he had good grades and was an academic all american (?). However, if you are majoring in pool cleaning 101 or physical education and have tutors/coeds that do most of your work for you, I can see why there may be some smoke there.

I've also read that he came from a rough upbringing. If he is able to move past that and use that as motivation instead of entitlement he just might be OK.

I'm probably gonna give him a pass today. I'd prefer to go by his game tape and according to that, the dude is unstoppable. Just another mega talented young kid that needs to mature some. Tons of them currently in the NFL being very successful.

He's mine with the 1.1

 

[ty247]

Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.

Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout

I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.

Well spoken? Negative. Soft spoken? Perhaps. Nervous? Probably so. Too many "umm"s and "you know"s. Surprised he didn't throw in some "ya knowimsayin"s in there. Seems like just another confident/cocky athlete. However, he did have respect. I don't know for sure, but I read that he had good grades and was an academic all american (?). However, if you are majoring in pool cleaning 101 or physical education and have tutors/coeds that do most of your work for you, I can see why there may be some smoke there.

I've also read that he came from a rough upbringing. If he is able to move past that and use that as motivation instead of entitlement he just might be OK.

I'm probably gonna give him a pass today. I'd prefer to go by his game tape and according to that, the dude is unstoppable. Just another mega talented young kid that needs to mature some. Tons of them currently in the NFL being very successful.

He's mine with the 1.1

LoL yah there was language problems, but I liked the sir's, the thank you sir's and the handshake at the end.. respectful.. I could see him going to a team with some leadership and prospering immensely.I expect young kids to be immature at times, but like you said, he's a beast on the field.

Nice post.

 

[massraider]

I understand the urge to dismiss immature character question marks, but Bryant's character concerns aren't very serious things, to me. He definitely seems to be immature, but so were Cris Carter, Randy Moss, and Terrell Owens.

A lot will depend on where he goes, I suppose, but this kid is a very real talent. And being immature seems to hurt less at WR than other places.

 

[craxie]

I understand the urge to dismiss immature character question marks, but Bryant's character concerns aren't very serious things, to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-b...o&type=lgns

Three sources with direct knowledge of Bryant from his days in college, where he missed the final 10 games last season because of lying to NCAA investigators, said Bryant’s antics were “consistently irresponsible.”

. . .

“I wouldn’t draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games,” one source said.

A second source said Bryant’s reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities. That included showing up late for games.

“We’re not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game,” a source said with a chuckle. “When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, ‘He did what?’ ”

. . .

“But it does make you think, ‘If he’s like this in college, what’s it going to be like when he gets paid?’ ”

 

[SSOG]

IIRC, Mel Kiper Jr. had BMW rated as the #1 prospect on his draft board that year.

He did. In 2008, he also called BMW his biggest blunder. There were a lot of people other than Kiper who had BMW lower, though.

If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.

Jamarcus Russel down?

 

[Bob Magaw]

didn't know mayock said in 2008 he thought he was the best WR prospect he had ever seen (better than moss, andre johnson, fitz or calvin???)... mayock isn't imo generally prone to hyperbole, and i respect him a lot...

he did express mixed reviews and concern over red flags today...

puzzling workout...

he missed most of last season...

misses the combine... reportedly over a hamstring... plausible, but led to further rumblings that he might be flaky...

than he schedules three different pro days? this doesn't help the perception that he may have maturity and professionalism issues... but maybe it was the hamstring again?

cleats were discussed primarily in the context of him being a bonehead... i do wonder if he could have run faster with them, and as was noted above, on a faster track... maybe in ideal circumstances, great start on a better track, he runs in the low 4.5s, or even high 4.4?

he was supposedly a bit heavy at combine (225)... again, maybe the hamstring? than in the wake of that, he said he was down to 220 after the combine... yet he weighs in at 225 again? odd.

if this is out of shape, some have pointed out that he looks pretty yoked. i think it is safe to say that he carries the weight well, putting up an elite 11'+ broad jump, and borderline elite 38" VJ, outstanding explosiveness measurables.

didn't see the bench press segment, but it does sound like some of the biggest concerns involved quitting in drills... without questioning what may be elite physical and athletic tools, even his most ardent supporters have to admit this looks bad, given that he was trying to overcome questions about his committment after skipping the combine and pushing back his pro day (several times)...

supporters can't have it both ways... if he looked in good physical condition and there shouldn't be concern about extra weight... why did he quit in drills (he did well on the explosiveness measurables, and wasn't noticeably limping in the receiving drills i saw?). was it the lack of cleats causing him to slip... i didn't see whole workout, but casserly said it reflected poorly on his preparation that he didn't even seem to know the technique in the cone drills... part of this should be blamed on his handlers, but why didn't he have the intiative to prepare better... did he think he could just waltz in after missing so much time and nail it by relying on his athleticism?

now in fairness, some of this reminds me of hakeem nicks last year... he was not as elite a prospect (bit smaller, i was going to guess he ran about a 4.45-4.55... looked it up, & i think he ran as high as a 4.45 by some timings, but maybe was officially credited with a 4.5?)... not sure if he "dropped" in the draft, he did go near end of the first, but WRs like crabtree and maclin were consensus higher graded (if not DHB )... no shame in being picked lower than harvin (ROY), and about same place as britt...

here is a quote from last year...

"Ten receiver coaches from around the league showed up in Chapel Hill to watch the workout of Hakeem Nicks and they are likely to leave very disappointed.

Sources have told us Nicks weighed in at 226-pounds, looking overweight and out of condition. By contrast Nicks was 212-pounds at the combine. He looked poor running agility drills and injured his hamstring."

in retrospect, after a promising, at times brilliant rookie season (might have been better if not for injury, and sharing time with manningham), the above fears look massively overblown in retrospect. i thought based on nicks film, he had a dark horse chance to emerge as the best WR in his class... nothing i saw last year dissuaded me from that notion (probably encouraged it)...

the funny thing is, after filtering through some of the info about bryant's mixed pro day, without extensively processing it, my instinct/intuition told me today was bad - OVERALL... if i had a preconception about what i would write here, it was that... and clearly why there was SOME counterbalancing good, there were problems with lack of preparedness on drills (aside from forgetting cleats - strange, but maybe charitably he got overly excited?) and questions about his competitiveness in quitting drills... and by implication, his judgement, when he must have known there were rumblings about his work ethic. he didn't answer that bell today, and that is troubling.

but i think this profile turned out more balanced than i expected at the beginning... i was struck by a series of contradictions which i tried to document and use as the overarching theme of my observations, and than see where they led (some writers don't know how their story is going to end when they commence writing it, and allow the character's "nature" to dictate how the plot unfolds)... the nicks comparison came to me in mid-writing.

i don't think nicks had the same kind of preceding knucklehead rumblings that bryant suffers from.

the red flags definitely could drop him out of the first half of the draft... so many drafts had him linked with DEN (with marshall a question mark), that it seemed unlikely... he doesn't seem like a mcdaniels type player... possibly SEA at 14? in the second half of first (don't see him dropping to 2nd as some have speculated), possible destinations could include SF, ATL, NE, DAL & NYJ?

i am concerned about the red flags (if they don't give people at least SOME pause, imo there is something wrong)... but when mayock says things like best WR prospect he has ever seen (in 2008), that gets my attention... i think by the time dynasty drafts roll around, any change in his draft status would have more to do with where he goes in the NFL draft relative to his peers in the class... more so than intrinsic red flag concerns... in other words, if he goes to DAL late in 1st, where they have austin, and hypothetically, demaryius thomas goes at 1.10 to JAX (kirwan had this in a mock a few weeks ago, but i would be very surprised), that would be the kind of thing that would bump bryant down and thomas up, in dynasty.

 

[trader jake]

Here's the thing.. Elite talent is elite talent, and someone's going to, early in the draft, not pass.At some point around the 10th spot this year, someone's going to take the risk on this kid because his talent is just too good to ignore.

I tend to agree with this. Bryant will be gone between 10-15.

This is one of those players that you need to see where he lands, not as much for the QB or the offense like most WRs, but for the coach. Does he go to a place where he can be motivated? The issue I have is that I'm not sure what style of motivation he needs. Does he need a Bill Parcells-type coach, a Tony Dungy-type coach or a Marvin Lewis-type coach? No idea.

Must be considered when rookie drafts roll around as much as the system he'll be playing in. Raiders pick him and owners will be avoiding him like the plague but if he ends up in a nice situation with good leadership he'll go 1.01 in a lot of PPR leagues.

 

[JohnnyU]

if he goes to DAL late in 1st, where they have austin, and hypothetically, demaryius thomas goes at 1.10 to JAX (kirwan had this in a mock a few weeks ago, but i would be very surprised), that would be the kind of thing that would bump bryant down and thomas up, in dynasty.

I think Bryant going to Dallas is a better situation than Thomas going to Jacksonville. The last time I checked Romo is still a better QB than David Garrard. Austin being in Dallas is actually a plus for Bryant, where he will eventually be the #1 in Dallas, not Austin.

 

[ctdub]

I understand the urge to dismiss immature character question marks, but Bryant's character concerns aren't very serious things, to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-b...o&type=lgns

Three sources with direct knowledge of Bryant from his days in college, where he missed the final 10 games last season because of lying to NCAA investigators, said Bryant’s antics were “consistently irresponsible.”

. . .

“I wouldn’t draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games,” one source said.

A second source said Bryant’s reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities. That included showing up late for games.

“We’re not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game,” a source said with a chuckle. “When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, ‘He did what?’ ”

. . .

“But it does make you think, ‘If he’s like this in college, what’s it going to be like when he gets paid?’ ”

I think that is suspect reporting. The team is in lockdown in the team hotel prior to the games and they are bussed to the stadium as a team on the road and do a team walk to the stadium at home games. If Dez was actually late to the game no one would see him at the walk.... which isn't the case. Not sure why they would report it like this, but it seems real fishy to me. Maybe the team had to wait at the hotel for him to start the walk. Dez was typically the first player to come running out of the tunnell.

 

[FUBAR]

Here's the thing.. Elite talent is elite talent, and someone's going to, early in the draft, not pass.

At some point around the 10th spot this year, someone's going to take the risk on this kid because his talent is just too good to ignore.

I tend to agree with this. Bryant will be gone between 10-15.

10,11,12, and 14 perhaps. Virtually zero chance the 49ers or Giants take him - could trade down I suppose though. (10) Jaguars

(11) Broncos

(12) Dolphins

(13) 49ers

(14) Seahawks

(15) Giants

My guess right now is either Miami or Seattle. dream world - falls to the Titans at 16, they can make up for taking Kevin Dyson over Randy Moss

This is one of those players that you need to see where he lands, not as much for the QB or the offense like most WRs, but for the coach. Does he go to a place where he can be motivated? The issue I have is that I'm not sure what style of motivation he needs. Does he need a Bill Parcells-type coach, a Tony Dungy-type coach or a Marvin Lewis-type coach? No idea.

Must be considered when rookie drafts roll around as much as the system he'll be playing in. Raiders pick him and owners will be avoiding him like the plague but if he ends up in a nice situation with good leadership he'll go 1.01 in a lot of PPR leagues.

Really Oakland and Cleveland are the only two where I'd hesitate and Cleveland I'd likely still grab him.

 

[FUBAR]

i am concerned about the red flags (if they don't give people at least SOME pause, imo there is something wrong)... but when mayock says things like best WR prospect he has ever seen (in 2008), that gets my attention... i think by the time dynasty drafts roll around, any change in his draft status would have more to do with where he goes in the NFL draft relative to his peers in the class... more so than intrinsic red flag concerns... in other words, if he goes to DAL late in 1st, where they have austin, and hypothetically, demaryius thomas goes at 1.10 to JAX (kirwan had this in a mock a few weeks ago, but i would be very surprised), that would be the kind of thing that would bump bryant down and thomas up, in dynasty.

My only concern is I was pretty high on Charles Rogers too, one of the more talented WRs in recent years but lacked work ethic. I don't think Bryant is quite that bad but that's the concern - not Dallas vs. Jacksonville or other teams, except Oakland.

 

[kremenull]

This kid may have just cost himself $Millions.....

How do you come to your Pro Day, your biggest audition of your life to-date, having months to prepare for only this particular timeframe (NFL Draft evaluation period), not in absolute peak condition. This kid's conditioning was simply not there as he lacked explosiveness and certainly appeared winded on the many clips that I saw. He didn't finish drills nor run out or finish plays after catching the ball. And to make matters worse, appeared very nonchalant in intervews with both his commentary and expression. Simply not taking this process serious enough and I see a lot of this as MAJOR red flags.

If I were an NFL GM, I would not touch this guy in the first 2 rounds. I can't see placing $5-$10 Million in this kid's pocket. I simply don't trust him based on my limited amount of info and perspective. But I trust my senses on this one. I smell something not quite right about this kid, and yes, I also do suspect regular marijuana usage (simply no explanation/excuse for bad conditioning/cardio at this stage of the process).

I see a potential huge draft day slide here, maybe to out of the 1st Rd.........

 

[moondog]

The 4.52's were run with the wind and the 4.68 was against the wind. Either way so-so times but I doubt he was thought of as a burner anyway.

His maturity is the real issue that will affect were he goes. Nobody wants to repeat the mistakes the Lions made.

If he slides lower than the 13-15 range it will be a trade down opportunity for some teams. I doubt any team would be willing trade up higher than that for him.

 

[Jason Wood]

This kid may have just cost himself $Millions.....How do you come to your Pro Day, your biggest audition of your life to-date, having months to prepare for only this particular timeframe (NFL Draft evaluation period), not in absolute peak condition. This kid's conditioning was simply not there as he lacked explosiveness and certainly appeared winded on the many clips that I saw. He didn't finish drills nor run out or finish plays after catching the ball. And to make matters worse, appeared very nonchalant in intervews with both his commentary and expression. Simply not taking this process serious enough and I see a lot of this as MAJOR red flags.If I were an NFL GM, I would not touch this guy in the first 2 rounds. I can't see placing $5-$10 Million in this kid's pocket. I simply don't trust him based on my limited amount of info and perspective. But I trust my senses on this one. I smell something not quite right about this kid, and yes, I also do suspect regular marijuana usage (simply no explanation/excuse for bad conditioning/cardio at this stage of the process).I see a potential huge draft day slide here, maybe to out of the 1st Rd.........

I doubt he slides that far, because we've seen time and again that certain NFL GMs are convinced they can overcome any red flags in THEIR system. I think Dez still comes off the board reasonably early. I'm just glad that it's highly unlikely my team will be interested.

 

[B. Nugget]

Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.

Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout

I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.

Well spoken? Negative. Soft spoken? Perhaps. Nervous? Probably so. Too many "umm"s and "you know"s. Surprised he didn't throw in some "ya knowimsayin"s in there. Seems like just another confident/cocky athlete. However, he did have respect. I don't know for sure, but I read that he had good grades and was an academic all american (?). However, if you are majoring in pool cleaning 101 or physical education and have tutors/coeds that do most of your work for you, I can see why there may be some smoke there.

I've also read that he came from a rough upbringing. If he is able to move past that and use that as motivation instead of entitlement he just might be OK.

I'm probably gonna give him a pass today. I'd prefer to go by his game tape and according to that, the dude is unstoppable. Just another mega talented young kid that needs to mature some. Tons of them currently in the NFL being very successful.

He's mine with the 1.1

It's funny that so many are making fun of the way he talks...I'm guessing most have never heard golden boy CJ Spiller talk.Either way, I'm still taking him if he is there in my drafts.

 

[kremenull]

Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

But in the same regard, isn't 210 too heavy for MJD who is 5'7(if that)? Some guys can carry weight and be productive, while others cannot.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

But in the same regard, isn't 210 too heavy for MJD who is 5'7(if that)? Some guys can carry weight and be productive, while others cannot.

Of course. That part of his statement is ridiculous. He has no idea how much weight that guy SHOULD be carrying for optimal performance - especially when he's saying a drop of 7 pounds to move him into "peak". There is no one optimal weight for every individual body. Everybody's built differently. He may very well have needed a different kind of conditioning for the performance tests he was doing and he may very well need different training for real NFL performance. But to base that strictly on listed weight vs height is beyond silly.I do agree though that he should have been more prepared for this event, and it does send a red flag to some folks (both in the NFL in in the fantasy community not that he gives a rip about that). Being prepared and putting the work in are a pretty good chunk of what it takes to succeed at the NFL level. I am convinced of that. You need the talent. He has that. But you also need the drive which is what some folks are questioning.

TO may be giant ##### and a complete idiot, but he's always prepared. Charles Rogers had talent and no drive. Those are two entirely different "character" issues. One I worry about from fantasy perspective. The other I worry about too, but not NEARLY as much. Lazy will kill an NFL career faster than anything else.

 

[Jason Wood]

Lombardi weighs in on Bryant, and speaks to the fact (as many of us have been trying to say) that it wasn't his 40 times that should be a concern, but his maturity and focus.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-...nt-Clausen.html

 

[lynx4ben]

Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

But in the same regard, isn't 210 too heavy for MJD who is 5'7(if that)? Some guys can carry weight and be productive, while others cannot.

Of course. That part of his statement is ridiculous. He has no idea how much weight that guy SHOULD be carrying for optimal performance - especially when he's saying a drop of 7 pounds to move him into "peak". There is no one optimal weight for every individual body. Everybody's built differently. He may very well have needed a different kind of conditioning for the performance tests he was doing and he may very well need different training for real NFL performance. But to base that strictly on listed weight vs height is beyond silly.I do agree though that he should have been more prepared for this event, and it does send a red flag to some folks (both in the NFL in in the fantasy community not that he gives a rip about that). Being prepared and putting the work in are a pretty good chunk of what it takes to succeed at the NFL level. I am convinced of that. You need the talent. He has that. But you also need the drive which is what some folks are questioning.

TO may be giant ##### and a complete idiot, but he's always prepared. Charles Rogers had talent and no drive. Those are two entirely different "character" issues. One I worry about from fantasy perspective. The other I worry about too, but not NEARLY as much. Lazy will kill an NFL career faster than anything else.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Just wondering if guys still stand by their words now, here are examples of Bryant being compared with CJ/Fitz/Andre and being spoken of as being better than Crabtree. I am cherry picking and it's a small sample of quotes FWIW.

I'd put Bryant #1 just considering the last couple draft classes. Beyond that he's in a class with Fitz, AJ, Calvin etc. Think he's the realest of real deals.

Definitely part of the Bryant train/hype. A better prospect than Crabtree.

This one is off topic but funny considering Bryant doesn't come off as being a clean prospect by any stretch -

Thanks Johnny U, that is the info I was looking for. I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

 

[Multiple Scores]

4 - intangibles (coupling a great work ethic with such a supremely gifted athlete & once a decade natural talent was a potent combo) he definitely looks more explosive to me than crabtree, and maybe nearly the same size as britt (biggest of the frontline '09 WR prospects), so that may indeed make him the best size/power/speed/athleticism/pedigree combo prospect at the position since (the likes of fitz, calvin & dre - brandon marshall & sidney rice have really blossomed, too)?

Props to Doug Drinen for being ahead of the curve on this -

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much. He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Many have compared him to Andre Johnson and I completely agree. I wouldn't hesitate to take him over Crabtree in a startup as I see him as a better prospect. He's that good.I've never been this excited for a pro day. :(

 

[Jason Wood]

4 - intangibles (coupling a great work ethic with such a supremely gifted athlete & once a decade natural talent was a potent combo) he definitely looks more explosive to me than crabtree, and maybe nearly the same size as britt (biggest of the frontline '09 WR prospects), so that may indeed make him the best size/power/speed/athleticism/pedigree combo prospect at the position since (the likes of fitz, calvin & dre - brandon marshall & sidney rice have really blossomed, too)?

Props to Doug Drinen for being ahead of the curve on this -

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much. He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Doug is a die hard OSU fan and rarely speaks directly about players unless he feels really comfortable in his knowledge. I spoke to him at length recently while we were together at an FBG meeting, and he really has concerns about Bryant that extend on and off the field.

 

[doowain]

Many have compared him to Andre Johnson and I completely agree. I wouldn't hesitate to take him over Crabtree in a startup as I see him as a better prospect. He's that good.I've never been this excited for a pro day.

Reply FAIL.

 

[Instinctive]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...

Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."

It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

 

[lynx4ben]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

To a certain extent true. I know I did some stupid things and still am as I finish out my 20s. Obviously, one would prefer a Greg Jennings or Austin Collie. I've forgot to bring my computer to work about a dozen times. I'm also often late to meetings; I don't get paid millions but I am a white collar worker who should be on time; but alas half the time I plain forget. If this guy goes to a strong organization he'll be fine. If he goes to Oakland or Cinci he is in trouble.And in the end I'm pretty sure many of us a being pretty unprofessional visiting FBguys at work

 

[humphrp]

Bryant posts expected 40 times during private workout

Posted: March 30th, 2010 | Gil Brandt | Tags: 2010 Pro Days, Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State

Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant is still going through position drills at his private workout for NFL teams, but I do have his 40-yard dash times to pass along.

Bryant began the workouts Tuesday in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas, with the 40, posting times of 4.52, 4.68 and 4.52. He was asked to run the third time due to the discrepancy between the first two times.

Early during his position drills, Bryant did drop some passes, but he looked much better after getting into the flow of the drills with former Oklahoma State QB Bobby Reid.

The notable NFL coaches and executives in attendance today include Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, coach Mike Singletary and director of player personnel Trent Baalke of the 49ers, Packers coach Mike McCarthy and director of college scouting John Dorsey, Ravens wide receivers coach Jim Hostler, Bucs wide receivers coach Eric Yarber and Raiders scout Cliff Branch.

– Gil Brandt

NFL.com

I found this to be interesting. The QB passing to Bryant was Bobby Reid. This is the player that left OSU due to the embarrasment of being the subject of Mike Gundy's famous "I'm 40. I'm a Man" rant. He was also very much a running QB. Might also account for some of the dropped balls.

 

[massraider]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

This is kind of where I am at. He is immature. It's not necessarily a permanent condition.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

This is kind of where I am at. He is immature. It's not necessarily a permanent condition.

At what point does it cross that line though?

 

[Instinctive]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

This is kind of where I am at. He is immature. It's not necessarily a permanent condition.

At what point does it cross that line though?

At least not until you can legally drink...seriously though, the kid doesn't even have all his rights because our country's laws deem him too young to be mature. And we expect him to be acting like he's 30?

 

[humphrp]

From Profootballtalkez Bryant forgot his cleatsPosted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2010 3:01 PM ETAs it turns out, Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant showed up on time for his Pro Day workout.His cleats, however, didn't make the trip.We're told that Bryant forgot to bring his cleats, and that as a result he had to wear a pair of brand-new shoes, which had not properly been broken in.As a result, Bryant was slipping, as NFLN's Mike Mayock pointed out when discussing the workout on the air.Per a league source, at least one team measured Bryant's times in the 40-yard dash at 4.57 and 4.62 seconds, within the 4.52 to 4.68 range reported by NFL.com. He presumably would have run faster, but for the slipping.

My first thought is maybe this was intentional and planned by Eugene Parker as an excuse as to why he ran a slow 40. Perhaps, they knew they could not push his pro day any further, but they also potentially knew that Bryant would run a slow 40, so simply claim he forgot his cleats and there is his reason for a slow forty. On the other had he may have just forgot his cleats. Hey it happens, I forgot my shoes on my wedding day.

 

[B. Nugget]

From Profootballtalkez Bryant forgot his cleatsPosted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2010 3:01 PM ETAs it turns out, Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant showed up on time for his Pro Day workout.His cleats, however, didn't make the trip.We're told that Bryant forgot to bring his cleats, and that as a result he had to wear a pair of brand-new shoes, which had not properly been broken in.As a result, Bryant was slipping, as NFLN's Mike Mayock pointed out when discussing the workout on the air.Per a league source, at least one team measured Bryant's times in the 40-yard dash at 4.57 and 4.62 seconds, within the 4.52 to 4.68 range reported by NFL.com. He presumably would have run faster, but for the slipping.

My first thought is maybe this was intentional and planned by Eugene Parker as an excuse as to why he ran a slow 40. Perhaps, they knew they could not push his pro day any further, but they also potentially knew that Bryant would run a slow 40, so simply claim he forgot his cleats and there is his reason for a slow forty. On the other had he may have just forgot his cleats. Hey it happens, I forgot my shoes on my wedding day.

Hell, I know a guy that went on a golf trip last week and forgot his regular shoes after his first round had to wear his golf shoes the rest of the trip.This guy manages a pretty popular local restaurant and is in his early 40s.

 

[phthalatemagic]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

This is kind of where I am at. He is immature. It's not necessarily a permanent condition.

At what point does it cross that line though?

At least not until you can legally drink...seriously though, the kid doesn't even have all his rights because our country's laws deem him too young to be mature. And we expect him to be acting like he's 30?

I agree with you, but NFL teams make it an issue since they are spending a ####load of money on him. And since NFL teams make it an issue, it's an issue for NFL message boards.

 

[Multiple Scores]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

Add not finishing his drills, that is a HUGE red flag, the guy likely lost millions or at a minimum hundreds of thousands of dollars yesterday by not finishing the on the field drills and not finishing the bench press. I don't know the numbers but if you compare the money that a guy getting picked at 11 vs. being picked at 21, that is alot of money to piss away for quitting, no? If I was in a position where I could lose a few million dollars, I would push myself as much as possible to bench press until I was utterly spent. Am I worried he's Brandon Marshall? No way, Bryants name is never on the police blotter.Am I worried that he's Terrell Owens? No, he doesn't seem to talk nonsense.Am I worried that he's JeMarcus Russell? Yes I am, he is showing that he is lazy and doesn't take being a future NFL player seriously. I am not Nostradamus but it's a red flag that once this kid gets millions of dollars that he very well could throw in the towel. If this kids attitude and work ethic mirrored Tim Tebow I wouldn't have any concerns. Bryant is still the #1 WR this season in my mind, worth the risk. I wouldn't be too shocked if he's not the first WR drafted though, NFL clubs can be very fickle and character concerns could make Bryant drop.

 

[humphrp]

I understand the urge to dismiss immature character question marks, but Bryant's character concerns aren't very serious things, to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-b...o&type=lgns

Three sources with direct knowledge of Bryant from his days in college, where he missed the final 10 games last season because of lying to NCAA investigators, said Bryant’s antics were “consistently irresponsible.”

. . .

“I wouldn’t draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games,” one source said.

A second source said Bryant’s reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities. That included showing up late for games.

“We’re not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game,” a source said with a chuckle. “When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, ‘He did what?’ ”

. . .

“But it does make you think, ‘If he’s like this in college, what’s it going to be like when he gets paid?’ ”

The team is in lockdown in the team hotel prior to the games and they are bussed to the stadium as a team on the road and do a team walk to the stadium at home games. If Dez was actually late to the game no one would see him at the walk.... which isn't the case. Not sure why they would report it like this, but it seems real fishy to me. Maybe the team had to wait at the hotel for him to start the walk. Dez was typically the first player to come running out of the tunnell.

I have a good friend who is an OSU police officer who stays with the team in the hotel the night before. They get there the night before and then walk down the street together as a team a few hours before the game. However, I am unsure if Bryant would have been with them in the hotel after his NCAA suspension. This may be where the reports that he was late for the games came from. I heard that after he was suspended that he often showed up to meetings and games late. I too would find it hard to be motivated to come to meetings and games when I couldn't play.

 

[massraider]

All these red flags about being late for stuff and the whole forgetting of cleats...

Did anybody stop to think maybe all that says is "Hey, I'm TWENTY."

It's not liek you're talking about a guy who's coming out of grad school and should know better. He's just a little bit immature, almost like he acts his age, or somethin crazy like that. . . .

This is kind of where I am at. He is immature. It's not necessarily a permanent condition.

At what point does it cross that line though?

I am not sure, but if we are talking about maturity, I don't think a history of being late in college crosses that line. Not to me anyway. I am more concerned about violence, drug and alcohol abuse, those kind of issues.

 

[humphrp]

According to Mayock, if Dez ran below a 4.5 he would not be concerned.

What about the surface Dez ran on? I honestly think he would have ran faster at the combine. Track vs Field turf.

LOL. He ran at a high school, if Dez chose to run on a bad track then he is a big dumb doofus.

He is obviously not a rocket scientist but shouldn't his agent be handling this kinda stuff.

Good question, his agent sounds as dumb as brandon marshalls....Anyone know why OSU did not allow him to participate in their Pro Day?

Was that decision school sanctioned or was that bc the NCAA banned him for the remaining year?

Did he piss Gundy off? What the F led to him Lufkin TX?

Maybe the article below will shed some light into why Bryant did not hold his individual work out at Oklahoma State. I wonder how much of Bryants bone-head decisions are actually a product of Parker?http://blog.newsok.com/openmike/2010/03/16...pro-day-delays/

ESPN’s Adam Scheffter is reporting that Dez Bryant has pushed his NFL pro day workout back again and will hold it March 30 in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas. Scheffter says Oklahoma State “balked” at the idea of Bryant holding his pro day on campus.

Why? While it’s possible that OSU said no to letting Bryant hold an individual workout on campus, it wouldn’t be because the Cowboys are still mad at Dez for fibbing to NCAA investigators, a series of lies that ultimately cost him his eligibility and lowered the ceiling for what looked like a special season for Oklahoma State. Bryant has been on campus since he was declared ineligible and by all accounts still has a good relationship with OSU coaches and staff.

It’s possible that OSU officials said no to the workout because of who is orchestrating it. Remember, it was Dez’s dealings with Deion Sanders and agent Eugene Parker that got him in trouble to start with. And OSU coaches warned him about staying away from Deion due to his close association with Parker.

Here’s another possibility: Bryant keeps pushing back his workouts before scouts because he’s not in shape. The guy hasn’t played football since Sept. 19. He didn’t work out at the NFL Combine due to a hamstring injury. He didn’t take part in OSU’s pro date on March 10 — and there are indications he could have if he wanted to. And now another delay, from March 25 to 30. There’s talk around Stillwater that Bryant is trying to get himself back in tiptop shape before facing a scout’s stopwatch. That’s probably a wise decision for a guy trying to keep his draft stock from sliding.

But I’m not buying the notion that OSU would try to get back at Bryant for what happened last fall. Bryant isn’t Perrish Cox, who broke curfew not once but twice leading up to the Cotton Bowl then trashed coach Mike Gundy on his Facebook page for suspending him. OSU banned Cox from the sidelines in the Cotton Bowl and banned him from participating in OSU’s pro day, and who can blame it.

 

[Donnybrook]

I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."

Go Dez

 

[identikit]

I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."

Go Dez

X 2

 

[kremenull]

Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

But in the same regard, isn't 210 too heavy for MJD who is 5'7(if that)? Some guys can carry weight and be productive, while others cannot.

Of course. That part of his statement is ridiculous. He has no idea how much weight that guy SHOULD be carrying for optimal performance - especially when he's saying a drop of 7 pounds to move him into "peak". There is no one optimal weight for every individual body. Everybody's built differently. He may very well have needed a different kind of conditioning for the performance tests he was doing and he may very well need different training for real NFL performance. But to base that strictly on listed weight vs height is beyond silly.I do agree though that he should have been more prepared for this event, and it does send a red flag to some folks (both in the NFL in in the fantasy community not that he gives a rip about that). Being prepared and putting the work in are a pretty good chunk of what it takes to succeed at the NFL level. I am convinced of that. You need the talent. He has that. But you also need the drive which is what some folks are questioning.

TO may be giant ##### and a complete idiot, but he's always prepared. Charles Rogers had talent and no drive. Those are two entirely different "character" issues. One I worry about from fantasy perspective. The other I worry about too, but not NEARLY as much. Lazy will kill an NFL career faster than anything else.

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

 

[twr]

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

muscle makes you faster... you're reaching. he carries his weight very well... and like someone said above... hes going to murder people that pass on him.

 

[offdee]

and like someone said above... hes going to murder people that pass on him.

This has the potential to incur a 2 game suspension. Drop him in your rankings accordingly.

 

[Football Jones]

Bryant is this crop's best WR by a pretty fair margin...& easily has the potential to be a multiple Pro Bowler.

Bottom line.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.

But in the same regard, isn't 210 too heavy for MJD who is 5'7(if that)? Some guys can carry weight and be productive, while others cannot.

Of course. That part of his statement is ridiculous. He has no idea how much weight that guy SHOULD be carrying for optimal performance - especially when he's saying a drop of 7 pounds to move him into "peak". There is no one optimal weight for every individual body. Everybody's built differently. He may very well have needed a different kind of conditioning for the performance tests he was doing and he may very well need different training for real NFL performance. But to base that strictly on listed weight vs height is beyond silly.I do agree though that he should have been more prepared for this event, and it does send a red flag to some folks (both in the NFL in in the fantasy community not that he gives a rip about that). Being prepared and putting the work in are a pretty good chunk of what it takes to succeed at the NFL level. I am convinced of that. You need the talent. He has that. But you also need the drive which is what some folks are questioning.TO may be giant ##### and a complete idiot, but he's always prepared. Charles Rogers had talent and no drive. Those are two entirely different "character" issues. One I worry about from fantasy perspective. The other I worry about too, but not NEARLY as much. Lazy will kill an NFL career faster than anything else.

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

OK Mr. "I know exactly how much each individual athlete should weigh within five pounds given a height.". Are some guys over or under weight given their height to achieve optimal performance? ABSOLUTELY. But to state with conviction that you know, likely sitting a couple of hundred miles away, exactly what that optimal weight should be JUST by looking at his listed height is patently absurd.Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.

 

[kremenull]

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

muscle makes you faster... you're reaching. he carries his weight very well... and like someone said above... hes going to murder people that pass on him.

Yep! I guess you guys are all correct. Weight doesn't matter...... Andre Caldwell-WR- Bengals Mar. 31 - 9:43 am et Andre Caldwell reported for offseason workouts Monday at 194 pounds, 13 pounds lighter than the weight he was drafted at in 2008.With Antonio Bryant on board opposite Chad Ochocinco, Caldwell's sole focus is the slot, so he's trying to get quicker and smoother coming out of his breaks. It's a much better fit for Caldwell, who was miscast out wide sometimes last season.

 

[twr]

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

muscle makes you faster... you're reaching. he carries his weight very well... and like someone said above... hes going to murder people that pass on him.

Yep! I guess you guys are all correct. Weight doesn't matter...... Andre Caldwell-WR- Bengals Mar. 31 - 9:43 am et Andre Caldwell reported for offseason workouts Monday at 194 pounds, 13 pounds lighter than the weight he was drafted at in 2008.With Antonio Bryant on board opposite Chad Ochocinco, Caldwell's sole focus is the slot, so he's trying to get quicker and smoother coming out of his breaks. It's a much better fit for Caldwell, who was miscast out wide sometimes last season.

you're really going to compare andre caldwell to dez bryant... really? a slot player vs a true #1 ...

 

[massraider]

And you my friend, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here if you think height vs. weight has no bearing on performance, especially for specific positions. Some guys carry weight differently, I agree, but athletes premier are always in search of their optimum target weight for their specific body type as it relates to their specific position and the requisite skills needed to excell (e.g., quickness/suddenness, strenght, explosion, etc.). Your weight can and does often matter. You can go back decades to see an illustration of very competitive, superstar football players (Jerry Rice, for example) who would come in some years with a bit more muscle mass than the previous year to see how it would translate in their performance. Some years they would look to come in a little leaner to see if they could add more quickness, etc. I've witnessed this and read about this while following elite players throughout my 30+ years of fandom.

muscle makes you faster... you're reaching. he carries his weight very well... and like someone said above... hes going to murder people that pass on him.

Yep! I guess you guys are all correct. Weight doesn't matter...... Andre Caldwell-WR- Bengals Mar. 31 - 9:43 am et Andre Caldwell reported for offseason workouts Monday at 194 pounds, 13 pounds lighter than the weight he was drafted at in 2008.With Antonio Bryant on board opposite Chad Ochocinco, Caldwell's sole focus is the slot, so he's trying to get quicker and smoother coming out of his breaks. It's a much better fit for Caldwell, who was miscast out wide sometimes last season.

A-HA!!!! Finally! Proof!Andre Caldwell is losing weight=Dez Bryant is overweight.