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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (5 Viewers)

Anyhow, I have the GOAT rankings done and I’ll wait until the middle of next week and then post them. Hopefully by then the remaining categories will be posted. If not we’ll figure something else out I guess. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think we are also to the point where we don't need elaborate write-ups.  Rankings/points would be fine too.  
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I sent a list to them for all 4 topics, but I'd rather go out on a good note with the finale :)

If they don't have the time to finish by the weekend, I can just post rankings but would like a money back guarantee that no one will attack me.

 
Action Rankings

16 - Burn Notice (1 pt.) - Rankings (2, 1, 3)
15 - The Last Kingdom (2 pts.) - Rankings (3, 5, 2)
14 - Charlies Angels (3 pts.) - Rankings (1, 10, 1)
13 - Jack Ryan (4 pts.) - Rankings (4, 2, 7)
12 - Prison Break (5 pts.) - Rankings (5, 4, 6)
11 - Orphan Black (6 pts.) - Rankings (11, 7, 4)
10 - Six Million Dollar Man (7 pts.) - Rankings (6, 12, 5)
9 - Narcos (8 pts.) - Rankings (12, 3, 9)
8 - Alias (9 pts.) - Rankings (8, 9, 11)
7 - Vikings (10 pts.) - Rankings (10, 6, 13)
6 - Homeland (11 pts.) - Rankings (9, 8, 12)
5 - MacGyver (12 pts.) - Rankings (7, 14, 9)
4 - The Shield (13 pts.) - Rankings (15, 11, 10)
3 - Miami Vice (14 pts.) - Rankings (13, 15, 14)
2 - The A Team (15 pts.) - Rankings (14, 13, 15)
1 - 24 (16 pts.) - Rankings (16, 16, 16)

 
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Apologies on the delay with getting Action out.   No commentary but some random thoughts based on how I judged and from observing my two partners (Corporation and Yo Mama):

  • It was hard for me in general as like I mentioned there were a few I hadn't watched a single episode of, so I appreciate those two jumping in and providing lists
  • I tried to heavily weight on actual Action - crap blowing up, car chases, shootouts, etc.
  • Obviously if the show sucked that hurt it but in general if there was good action I would bump it ahead of a show that was maybe better but with less action
  • Older shows without much action were hurt in the rankings by Corp and I - two of the biggest outliers were there with Chalie's Angels and Six Million Dollar Man
  • Show with obvious flaws that maybe tailed off still did ok due to quality action (Homeland and Alias)
  • Overall I think this is a pretty ####ty list of shows.  I wouldn't go out of my way to watch any of the old stuff except maybe The Shield and 24.  Action as a category was hurt to some degree by some of the better ones being in other categories.
 
AAABatteries said:
Apologies on the delay with getting Action out.   No commentary but some random thoughts based on how I judged and from observing my two partners (Corporation and Yo Mama):

  • It was hard for me in general as like I mentioned there were a few I hadn't watched a single episode of, so I appreciate those two jumping in and providing lists
  • I tried to heavily weight on actual Action - crap blowing up, car chases, shootouts, etc.
  • Obviously if the show sucked that hurt it but in general if there was good action I would bump it ahead of a show that was maybe better but with less action
  • Older shows without much action were hurt in the rankings by Corp and I - two of the biggest outliers were there with Chalie's Angels and Six Million Dollar Man
  • Show with obvious flaws that maybe tailed off still did ok due to quality action (Homeland and Alias)
  • Overall I think this is a pretty ####ty list of shows.  I wouldn't go out of my way to watch any of the old stuff except maybe The Shield and 24.  Action as a category was hurt to some degree by some of the better ones being in other categories.
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The Last Kingdom is excellent if you haven’t watched that.

 
AAABatteries said:
Apologies on the delay with getting Action out.   No commentary but some random thoughts based on how I judged and from observing my two partners (Corporation and Yo Mama):

  • I tried to heavily weight on actual Action - crap blowing up, car chases, shootouts, etc.
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This makes it harder. A lot of these shows how very little actual "action". Charlie's Angels had almost none, you did get one (or maybe two) fights per episode of the Six Million Dollar Man, but almost no car chases or explosions in a lot of these.

The above is why I picked the A-Team. Yea, it was silly, and nobody ever really died (they made doubly sure to show that, in fact), but machine guns, grenades, and car chases were a part of just about every episode, as well as multiple hand to hand fights. I'm happy to see it scored well for action. 

 
Alias too low. after all, this is the vehicle which gave the world JJAbrams, one of the handful of people who have told the world how to feel about action (one of the reasons i not only dislike but resent action lies in how its styles are forcefed to fans like geese to slaughter, leaving us with the greasy result). asskickin galore and blind alley after blind alley even my above-average writerly sense couldnt figure how they'd get out of this time. most underrated show of all time.

 
jwb said:
This makes it harder. A lot of these shows how very little actual "action". Charlie's Angels had almost none, you did get one (or maybe two) fights per episode of the Six Million Dollar Man, but almost no car chases or explosions in a lot of these.

The above is why I picked the A-Team. Yea, it was silly, and nobody ever really died (they made doubly sure to show that, in fact), but machine guns, grenades, and car chases were a part of just about every episode, as well as multiple hand to hand fights. I'm happy to see it scored well for action. 
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That is exactly why I had Charlie's Angels and 6MDM low, and also the ATeam high.  Going for pure adrenaline.

wikkidpissah said:
Alias too low. after all, this is the vehicle which gave the world JJAbrams, one of the handful of people who have told the world how to feel about action (one of the reasons i not only dislike but resent action lies in how its styles are forcefed to fans like geese to slaughter, leaving us with the greasy result). asskickin galore and blind alley after blind alley even my above-average writerly sense couldnt figure how they'd get out of this time. most underrated show of all time.
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And then here's evidence that my list wasn't completely consistent.  I was the highest judge on Alias (which I really loved) but when I had them grouped with Vikings and Homeland, I moved from pure adrenaline to more of a "I think the quality of these other 2 shows are better" then ranked them ahead of Alias.  For action I should have stayed more consistent.

And lastly out of all the things I ranked, I think the Last Kingdom was the only one I hadn't seen besides Dekalog in documentaries.  I read some on it but it's hard to get an action feel on the readings, so I apologize for that.

 
TV Dad Rankings: 

Thoughts: 

1. I was third ranking and seemed more variant then the others. My methodology was: character enjoyment/actual good parent/awards for the character pretty evenly. Hence the higher Pearson, Brady, Huxtable, etc. rankings for me compared to the others. 

2. We had a three way tie with 10 points for three characters. I broke that tie by using first the median score, then the higher of the lowest scores. 

3. There was a clear top tier of three dads. 

(16) Andy Taylor (15, 15, 15) 45

(15) Cliff Huxtable (12, 16, 16) 44

(14) Homer Simpson (16, 13, 14)43

(13) Frank Costanza (14, 14, 10)38

(12) Mike Brady (10, 12, 13)35

(11) Red Forman (13, 10, 9)32

(10) Pa Ingalls (11, 8, 11) 30

(9) Phil Dunphy (6, 9, 12)27

(8) Eric Taylor (8, 11, 7) 26

(7) Phillip Banks (5, 5, 6) 16

(6) Steven Douglas (9, 7, 5) 21

(5) Hal Wilkerson (7, 4, 4) 15

(4) Peter Griffin (4, 3, 3) 10

(3) Howard Cunningham (3, 6, 1) 10

(2) Jack Pearson (1, 1, 8 ) 10

(1) Danny Tanner (2, 2, 2) 6

 
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Value picks appear to be: Taylor, Huxtable, Brady and Dunphy - but all in all mostly chalk and no huge value swings that i can see. 

 
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I'm trying to figure out how Mike Brady scored so well. I'm not sure what productive things he ever did besides reproduce and pay the bills...   :confused:

 
Mr. Mojo said:
I'm trying to figure out how Mike Brady scored so well. I'm not sure what productive things he ever did besides reproduce and pay the bills...   :confused:
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1. Was he voice of reason and comfort for the family.

2. Went along with everyone's hairbrained schemes.

3. Had one of the hottest wives of his era.

 
Corporation said:
Breaking Bad 12 points
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Over the years I've completely stopped watching TV outside of some sporting events for years at a time, the last in 2010 up until 2016 but had heard so much about this show and knew the brilliance of Brian Cranston from a number of movies that I knew I would eventually check it out.

I began about two weeks ago and am nearly finished binging the 2nd season.

Cranston is epic, no need to say anything more.

Aaron Paul grew as an actor to the point by mid-second season he was surpassing Cranston in certain episodes. 

The writing is slow-release in a way that can't or has never happened in an episodic series before.  Some is contrived or low-brow gags but on the whole its far above most anything I've seen.  The thing that really made me a fan had nothing to do with acting, writing, or production, it was a choice of music by the Be Good Tanyas, a small Canadian group I discovered years ago.  Love this tune so much so when they scored a scene perfectly with one of their songs....   I was already loving the show but that tipped me over the top.

As mentioned above I've gone completely off TV for years at a stretch at least three times and can't stand, truly hate most TV so this wasn't the thread for me.  

Very rare for me to take the time to watch a TV show and I've never taken the time to praise a show.  I have watched and liked older shows but for 'relatively contemporary' shows BB is excellent, er as far as I've watched deep into the second season. :thumbup:

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Over the years I've completely stopped watching TV outside of some sporting events for years at a time, the last in 2010 up until 2016 but had heard so much about this show and knew the brilliance of Brian Cranston from a number of movies that I knew I would eventually check it out.

I began about two weeks ago and am nearly finished binging the 2nd season.

Cranston is epic, no need to say anything more.

Aaron Paul grew as an actor to the point by mid-second season he was surpassing Cranston in certain episodes. 

The writing is slow-release in a way that can't or has never happened in an episodic series before.  Some is contrived or low-brow gags but on the whole its far above most anything I've seen.  The thing that really made me a fan had nothing to do with acting, writing, or production, it was a choice of music by the Be Good Tanyas, a small Canadian group I discovered years ago.  Love this tune so much so when they scored a scene perfectly with one of their songs....   I was already loving the show but that tipped me over the top.

As mentioned above I've gone completely off TV for years at a stretch at least three times and can't stand, truly hate most TV so this wasn't the thread for me.  

Very rare for me to take the time to watch a TV show and I've never taken the time to praise a show.  I have watched and liked older shows but for 'relatively contemporary' shows BB is excellent, er as far as I've watched deep into the second season. :thumbup:
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IMO, it just gets better.  S1 and S2 are outstanding but it really ramps up 3-5.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Over the years I've completely stopped watching TV outside of some sporting events for years at a time, the last in 2010 up until 2016 but had heard so much about this show and knew the brilliance of Brian Cranston from a number of movies that I knew I would eventually check it out.

I began about two weeks ago and am nearly finished binging the 2nd season.

Cranston is epic, no need to say anything more.

Aaron Paul grew as an actor to the point by mid-second season he was surpassing Cranston in certain episodes. 

The writing is slow-release in a way that can't or has never happened in an episodic series before.  Some is contrived or low-brow gags but on the whole its far above most anything I've seen.  The thing that really made me a fan had nothing to do with acting, writing, or production, it was a choice of music by the Be Good Tanyas, a small Canadian group I discovered years ago.  Love this tune so much so when they scored a scene perfectly with one of their songs....   I was already loving the show but that tipped me over the top.

As mentioned above I've gone completely off TV for years at a stretch at least three times and can't stand, truly hate most TV so this wasn't the thread for me.  

Very rare for me to take the time to watch a TV show and I've never taken the time to praise a show.  I have watched and liked older shows but for 'relatively contemporary' shows BB is excellent, er as far as I've watched deep into the second season. :thumbup:
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When you are done go straight to Better Call Saul.  Just as good IMO.

 
AcerFC said:
Someone thought that Red Forman and Frank Costanza were better dads than Cliff Huxtable. Odd
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It was probably me (I sent my rankings for this a while ago so I forget). 
 

I counted the quality of the character as much as how good/representative of a dad they were, and Red/Costanza are two of my favorite all time characters. Probably unfair to put them above Cliff but I love those guys and thought they were great picks (neither were mine). 

 
1991 - present leading men comedy

Thoights: 

1. Bart and Frank Gallagher tough to rank for me. Fun characters, but not entirely leads. I also struggled sligthly with Seinfeld, Bluth, and Will Smith because they weren't even the funniest characters on their respective shows but still carried the lead. 

2. My general dislike of Frasier and Sheldon Cooper didn't hurt their rankings much and they still provided value to the drafter. 

3. Ties applied the same as prior category - looked first at median score and took what was higher

Rankings:

(16) Michael Scott (16, 13, 16) 45

(15) Larry David (14, 15, 14) 43

(14) Frasier (15, 16, 11) 42

(13) Al Bundy (11, 14, 15) 40

(12) Jerry Seinfeld (13, 7, 13) 33

(11) **** Solomon (6, 12, 12) 30

(10) Jack Donaghy (8, 11, 10) 29

(9) Will Smith (9, 10, 9) 28

(8) Sheldon Cooper (9, 11, 4) 24

(7) Kenny Powers (7, 9, 😎 24

(6) Michael Bluth (10, 3, 7) 20

(5) JD Dorian (5, 6, 6) 17

(4) Charlie Harper (4, 5, 2) 11

(3) Bart Simpson (1, 4, 5) 10

(2) Frank Gallagher (3, 2, 3) 8

(1) Tim Taylor (2, 1, 1) 4

 
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1991 - present leading man

Thoughts: 

1. Clear consensus top 4 and bottom two. I was the lone Walter White vote for first but Tony Soprano edged it out. 

2. Jed Bartlett I think presented the best draft value. 

Rankings: 

(16) Tony Soprano (16, 16, 15) 47

(15) Walter White (15, 15, 16) 46

(14) Don Draper (14, 14, 14) 42

(13) Jimmy McGill (13, 13, 13) 39

(12) Fox Mulder (12, 11, 12) 35

(11) Jed Bartlett (8, 12, 11) 31

(10) House (11, 10, 😎 29

(9) Andy Sipowicz (10, 9, 9) 28

(8) Vick Mackey (9, 8, 7) 24

(7) Dexter Morgan (6, 7, 6) 20

(6) Nucky Thompson (7, 6, 5) 18

(5)Jimmy McNulty (4, 4, 10) 18

(4) Frank Underwood (3, 5, 4) 12

(3) Morse (5, 3, 3, ) 10

(2) Dr. Ford (2, 2, 2) 6

(1) Dr. Troy (1, 1, 1) 3

 
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I think all categories are posted now.

Our GOAT judge is indisposed for a few more days so we may have to wait to crown Yo Mama unless he wants to email me those rankings.

 
Omg I just realized that I tallied McNulty wrong and the total votes were 18 and not 28 (which is awkward since he was my pick :unsure:  ). 
 

Given his lower median score he needs to be dropped below Nucky Thompson. 

 
Zow said:
1991 - present leading men comedy

Thoights: 

2. My general dislike of Frasier and Sheldon Cooper didn't hurt their rankings much and they still provided value to the drafter. 

Rankings:

(4) Charlie Harper (4, 5, 2) 11
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It's been a while so I figured I will put in a complaint.  Apparently, the show's humor could be a turn off to some and I wonder if Charlie Sheen's real life debacle helped Charlie Harper tumble down the ranks  Sheen did get nominated four times for an emmy for the character.  I would have flip flopped him and Will Smith.  I am just not sure how the Fresh Prince was a better character.  

Tough category for sure.  

 
Gally said:
It's been a while so I figured I will put in a complaint.  Apparently, the show's humor could be a turn off to some and I wonder if Charlie Sheen's real life debacle helped Charlie Harper tumble down the ranks  Sheen did get nominated four times for an emmy for the character.  I would have flip flopped him and Will Smith.  I am just not sure how the Fresh Prince was a better character.  

Tough category for sure.  
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You're probably not wrong that the end of the character bled into my subconscious when I did my rankings. I admit I only looked for Emmy wins in this category. 

I also grew up with Will Smith so I see him as the superior character regardless (and the other two judges seem to agree). 

 
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