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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (2 Viewers)

I’d really like to get 1 or 2 more lists for action - mainly because there’s several shows I haven’t seen.  If anybody is up for it please send.  Otherwise I’ll go with what I’ve got.

 
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OK I think people are ready to put it to bed :)  I got no other lists but did find a listing I felt was pretty well thought out and used their rankings to modify by a spot or two a few of mine.  So at last, here is the Finale!

 
Didn't feel like a TV series finale

16. Chernobyl - 1 point

I loved the miniseries, but I wouldn't have thought to include this as a TV series finale.  All the other shows people invested years getting to know the characters.  Chernobyl was great but we got it all relatively quickly in 5 episodes.

 
Good finale but didn't feel like an end

15.  West Wing - 2 points

I wasn't a huge fan of the West Wing, I thought it was pretty good. Sorkin's writing was great and fast paced and the acting was also great (Janney and Whitford in particular). I was just jaded (and even moreso now in this cesspool political environment) that a rousing speech would save the day, as it seemingly did in every episode I watched.  It was a nice transition (and orderly as all presidential transitions should go) but overall it didn't feel like an end, just the normal passage of time.

14. Star Trek TNG - 3 points

This hurts because I love STTNG.  I love Q, but I thought the time hopping was a little convoluted.  The best part was once Picard saved humanity (again) he joined the poker game at the end and was sad that he didn't join earlier.  And we know that life continues on aboard the starship Enterprise, we just aren't going to be as privy to it anymore. It was a good finale but others higher on the list were more impactful.

 
Corporation said:
14. Star Trek TNG - 3 points

This hurts because I love STTNG.  I love Q, but I thought the time hopping was a little convoluted.  The best part was once Picard saved humanity (again) he joined the poker game at the end and was sad that he didn't join earlier.  And we know that life continues on aboard the starship Enterprise, we just aren't going to be as privy to it anymore. It was a good finale but others higher on the list were more impactful.
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Not arguing your ranking since it wasn't my pick anyway, but I liked what they were going for.  Maybe since they were pivoting to DS9 and eventually Voyager AND getting the TNG characters onto the big screen all at the same time they rushed the finale, but I liked the concept that after all they'd been through on the show, Q showed them there was still more out there that they hadn't even conceived in their linear mindset, the unknown possibilities of existence itself, and I think it meshed well with the overarching concept of self-improvement that was sprinkled throughout the duration of the show, in that there should always be new directions in which to grow.

FWIW, I was never a fan of Q.  The closest I got was the Voyager episode about the the continuum member that wanted to die.

 
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Corporation said:
14. Star Trek TNG - 3 points

This hurts because I love STTNG.  I love Q, but I thought the time hopping was a little convoluted.  The best part was once Picard saved humanity (again) he joined the poker game at the end and was sad that he didn't join earlier.  And we know that life continues on aboard the starship Enterprise, we just aren't going to be as privy to it anymore. It was a good finale but others higher on the list were more impactful.
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Not arguing your ranking since it wasn't my pick anyway, but I liked what they were going for.  Maybe since they were pivoting to DS9 and eventually Voyager AND getting the TNG characters onto the big screen all at the same time they rushed the finale, but I liked the concept that after all they'd been through on the show, Q showed them there was still more out there that they hadn't even conceived in their linear mindset, the unknown possibilities of existence itself, and I think it meshed well with the overarching concept of self-improvement that was sprinkled throughout the duration of the show, in that there should always be new directions in which to grow.

FWIW, I was never a fan of Q.  The closest I got was the Voyager episode about the the continuum member that wanted to die.
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I agree (except for the Q part).  I thought the finale was good and a nice touching closure for their story at that point, I just thought some of the higher rated ones were a little better.  I agree that they knew they had other projects in store for the future, so again it just didn't feel like a real finale.  In a few picks there will be a finale I hated, but I can't deny it was impactful and stirred up a lot of discussion.  Some of the online resources also rated it better than I did so I bumped it up a few.

 
Corporation said:
I agree (except for the Q part).  I thought the finale was good and a nice touching closure for their story at that point, I just thought some of the higher rated ones were a little better.  I agree that they knew they had other projects in store for the future, so again it just didn't feel like a real finale.  In a few picks there will be a finale I hated, but I can't deny it was impactful and stirred up a lot of discussion.  Some of the online resources also rated it better than I did so I bumped it up a few.
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I agree with this. I loved the last episode, but it wasn't really a "finale"  - it was more "a big last episode, complete with cool callbacks and flash-forwards". 

In my opinion, a really good finale ends the series. A finale where they all go back to work the next day as usual is a bit of a letdown. The best way this was handled, to me, was The Wire - that entire montage that showed characters evolve, and others move on / replace known entities (Dukie = Bubbles, Michael = Omar) was very well done. That's also the point you realize the show was really always about the city and the whole machine, and not the people. The people were always temporary. 

This would have been my pick if my first choice (The Fugitive) was taken. Surprised nobody took it.    

 
jwb said:
I agree with this. I loved the last episode, but it wasn't really a "finale"  - it was more "a big last episode, complete with cool callbacks and flash-forwards". 

In my opinion, a really good finale ends the series. A finale where they all go back to work the next day as usual is a bit of a letdown. The best way this was handled, to me, was The Wire - that entire montage that showed characters evolve, and others move on / replace known entities (Dukie = Bubbles, Michael = Omar) was very well done. That's also the point you realize the show was really always about the city and the whole machine, and not the people. The people were always temporary. 

This would have been my pick if my first choice (The Fugitive) was taken. Surprised nobody took it.    
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The Wire would have scored well.

ETA: Just looked at my rankings and it would have scored either where The Fugitive was or perhaps one spot higher, it would have been a close call with another really good finale (that definitely finished the story).  There were 3 finales I thought of when I saw the category, and no one was bumping those and the picks you mentioned would have been in that next tier.

 
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Good solid sentimental finales

13. Friday Night Lights - 4 points

Clear eyes, full heart. Another very good show, but it didn't hook me enough to watch every single week. The finale was very good, hitting all the right notes as it looked like the school may be merged with another, and Tami getting a job in Philadelphia.  The moments with the players at state, and the "You changed my life coach" is something a lot of us could relate to. Even though Eric kept on coaching football, this was the end of the story in Dillon and it was a very fitting end to a good series.

12. The Wonder Years - 5 points

I loved the series and of course had a crush on Danica McKellar.  The finale was a nice wrap up saying something like "our past is here but the future is somewhere else".  Like most childhood romances Kevin and Winnie didn't end up together, which I liked in the finale, otherwise it would have felt too much like fan service. The recap of what happened to everyone was not Hollywood glamorized, it was life. It was a good wrap up for a show that you could look back on in wonder.

 
The controversial finales

11. Lost - 6 points

OK, here is the one I hated, but I think I only hated it because I loved the first few seasons so much. I was all in on this show until the island hopping and flashbacks and forwards and atomic bombs got to be too much.  I refuse to believe this is the ending the writers had in mind like they still claim.  The show was too all over the place, but man what heights did it hit when it was going good.  As for the finale, it was certainly memorable if not confusing. One of my least favorite things surrounding the show when you talked about it with others (as we did here in a thread that I still see get bumped occasionally) was that if you had a different opinion, you just "didn't get it". I got it, just didn't really like it, but it was really a cultural event and I bumped it up a few spots after reading others views on it.

10. The Sopranos - 7 points

You probably guessed which one it was with this tier's subtitle.  I ordered HBO specifically to watch the finale, and when it cut to black (and I can't remember how long it was, felt like forever) I freaked out.  Then the credits rolled and I called a buddy and said "Did they just do that?" Yep they did.  He hated it, and I loved it.  To me the question wasn't did Tony die at that moment, it was the fact that whether or not he died right then, he was likely going out in violent fashion (although I guess heart disease was tracking him down as well). You could take the ending so many different ways, I think ultimately that's why so many hated it. We want to be spoonfed an answer.  Was life looking up for Tony, surrounded by his loved ones at a family dinner with some rivals out of the way, or was he going to be sleeping with the fishes?  It was a great finale that ended the story; had they tried to do Sopranos 2 (electric boogaloo) with Tony still running things 5 years later, there would have been a universal revolt.  No matter Tony's final outcome (dead I think fwiw), the Sopranos story was complete.

 
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The tremendous finale tier please don't be offended by the ranking

This is the largest tier because obviously people picked a lot of really great finales.  The Wire would have been here.  I can't drop this tier all at the same time so I'll keep editing the post to update it so it stays in one post.

9. St. Elsewhere - 8 points

This was the first finale that I saw live that completely shocked me, and I loved it. This was one of my Mom's favorite shows so we rarely missed an episode.  St. Elsewhere was a show that didn't really try to gloss over day to day struggles, the characters were flawed, which is to say they were human.  It reminded me of another NBC show Hill Street Blues, where the good guys didn't always win, and the good guys weren't always good guys.  Both shows had a semblance of realism that was lacking in many other shows. That's why I found it shocking when it was revealed that the entire show took place in the mind of an autistic child. But this wasn't a cheap ploy like when Dallas used a dream season to get around contract drama, I think it was more of a tip to the audience to say "Don't be sad we're ending, like all TV shows we were never real in the first place".  I think it was executed brilliantly, and the ending has more meaning to me since I now have a child (well manchild in college now) on the spectrum.

8. 6 Feet Under - 9 points

This was by far the show I watched least of out of these finales.  I was aware of the plot points, and watched the finale because it is acclaimed as one of the best of all time. It was good in my opinion, but because I didn't have the emotional connection that apparently most people did as they watched the finale, it did not resonate with me as much.  I did note that most episodes usually began with a death and then the episode was constructed around it. The finale started with a birth and it gave me a whole circle of life feel.  The end kept with the show as it showed the deaths into the future of the whole clan.  Very well done. I had St. Elsewhere above this one based on my initial rankings but then some online lists I found convinced me to raise this one.  One of the best regarded finales ever (as all in this tier and the next are).

7. The Americans - 10 points

My wife agreed to watch this show with me because of Felicity.  We both were really engaged with the world they created in the Americans.  Everything had been boiling to when would Philip and Elizabeth get discovered, and what would they do?  Would they force Paige and Henry to come with them? What about Stan whose best friends are spies (and perhaps his wife)?  For a couple who was put together by duty, they made a loving choice and saved their marriage (and perhaps the world with the info they took back to the USSR). Heartbreaking decisions to be made about the children, one who picked her own course and one unaware of the world around him.  Brilliantly executed with the right balance of suspense and satisfaction of how things ended.  Loved it.

 
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The tremendous finale tier please don't be offended by the ranking (Part II)

It was getting tedious editing the prior post repeatedly.  Continuing with the countdown (or up in this case):

6. The Fugitive - 11 points

This show set the standard for a TV finale, as it is recognized by most of being the first TV finale.  Throughout the whole series, we the viewers know Dr. Richard Kimble as a kind an innocent man who takes on odd jobs and helps people along the way as he searches for the true killer, the one armed man.  As an aside, The Incredible Hulk show always reminded me of that, Banner helping people as he searches for truth walking down a lonely road with that sad music behind it.  The Fugitive was tired of running, and saw that a one armed man was arrested in LA. He determines he is the villain he long sought after, and goes after him, even turning himself in once he thought he could prove the one armed man in custody was the killer.  Of course things go awry, with even Gerard allowing him an extra day to catch the killer.  Suspense is kept until the last minutes, when finally the narrator saying that today was the day the running stopped.  This was the most watched episode of TV from the late 60s until the early 80s with Who Shot JR (which would have likely won a Cliffhanger category) and a finale to be mentioned later.  We are all so aware of the story now (even if you don't realize the source material was The Fugitive) that perhaps you may think it doesn't hold up well enough or have the production values, but it is undeniably a classic that brought closure to a series (and created a new way to close a story in the TV industry).

5. Breaking Bad - 12 points

Someone asked where the Wire would rank, and it would be been either 5 or 6, very close with Breaking Bad. He started breaking bad to provide money for his family, but by the end his true love was revealed and that was the pride he had in his operation.  Finales are meant to have closure, and the sly grin on Walter's face gave us that.  I didn't watch the Jesse followup, and some have argued "You didn't see Walter in a body bag" but the finale delivered a fitting end to an all time great series.  This will be a series oddly that I'll probably never revisit. I'm glad I watched it because it was so well done, but I often felt down after watching it.  Walter showed a little redemption in the end saving Jesse and getting Skyler into a somewhat better place, but it would have been a disservice to the series if Walter made it out somehow.  We knew from the moment we met him his time was short, and it was a candle that burned bright.

4. Cheers - 13 points

Who doesn't want to have a place where everyone knows your name?  For more than a decade, Cheers was appointment television.  Me and GB @wikkidpissahdebated in depth about Shelley Long, and sure enough one of the hallmarks of TV finales is the return of a long departed star.  Almost immediately, we are transported back to the first half of the series and "the will they or won't they".  The finale offered one of the most cutting lines a comedy has ever delivered with Sam (after everyone bags on him for moving to LA with Diane) snapping back something like "What do you guys know, you sit in here all the time with the world passing you by."  Ouch.  But thankfully, Sam recognizes his true love, the bar.  Not just Cheers the physical location, but the people who made up Cheers.  They end it on a grand story telling trip of "What is the meaning of life", but they all realize that it is the people you love who makes this place special.  In a dark bar, a customer knocks on the door wanting to be a part of this.  Sam looks and says "Sorry, we're closed". We know the bar goes on and certainly know Fraiser's further doings, but this closed the chapter.  Sam straightening the photo that used to hang in Coach's dressing room was the final perfect touch on a classic.  Almost made it to the next tier (and perhaps should have) but when I heard TV Finale, I thought of the next 3 on the list immediately.

 
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this is beautiful, beautiful work, corp - you're REALLY capturing the meaning of TV here.

i might have tried to pick the Sam/Diane wedding ep as my "finale", but you've reminded me of the importance of the scope of the whole thing. bravo -

as the only person who loved the Seinfeld finale, curious where that would have ranked

what's most important is that the only finale that ever really mattered to me is yet to be ranked, so i know you got it right, even where we disagree. beautiful, beautiful work.

 
The Big Three

These are the 3 that I thought of immediately when I heard the category TV finale.  If you wanted to mix the order on these any way I wouldn't put up much of an argument.  Probably could have squeezed Cheers in here but they would have been 4th so no point change.

3.  Mary Tyler Moore Show - 14 points

She's going to make it after all.  This again was one of Mom's favorite shows, and I saw almost all of them in syndication years after finale in 1977.  Mary was everything that women were striving to be at a difficult time - strong, independent, kind, funny, beautiful inside and out.  The series was well written and it holds up well today, and the finale continued that tradition.  We see this ending influence so many shows now (new person comes in and cleans house) but it was so impactful watching our friends scatter. And of course we howled at the TV that they were keeping the one who should be fired instead of the other way around (brilliantly played by Ted Knight).  Departed stars made their return with Rhoda and Phyllis, and it ended as it should - with a group of close friends celebrating the time they had together (complete with a group hug that no one wanted to release so they all shuffle for the Kleenex).  An acclaimed and oft duplicated (at least tried to duplicate it) classic.

2.  Newhart - 15 points

Bob Newhart's style of comedy will last forever, he is a treasure.  Creator of 2 very successful shows, this finale completely caught me (and the rest of the world) off guard.  Perhaps playing a little off St. Elsewhere and the dream season in Dallas, Bob wakes up and rolls over to talk to his first TV wife Emily Hartley.  In great detail he tells her about the inn in Vermont, the Daryl brothers, and of course his hot blonde younger wife.  The revelation that it was all a dream, plus Suzanne Pleshette's response to Bob (especially about the blonde wife) was just tremendous.  So memorable and really fitting.  And of course Bob has to get in one last understated comment about it wouldn't hurt Emily to wear some sweaters some time.

1. MASH - 16 points

It had to be MASH.  Still the single most watched episode of scripted television, it was a cultural event that I believe caused plumbing problems in NY during commercials.  MASH lasted longer than the war it was set in, and gradually moved from epic sitcom to a kind of preachy dramedy, but the finale delivered on what it was supposed to.  We saw somewhat satisfying endings for the characters (the episode was a super sized 2 hours).  Klinger got married and stayed in Korea after all those years of trying to escape.  Charles and Hot Lips make up (and Charles shows real emotion for the Korean musicians killed). Hawkeye and Sidney (so underrated, he and Col Flagg were my favorite guest stars) have serious talks on how to overcome PTSD.  And Hawkeye and BJ get the emotional goodbye that we thought we missed when it looked like BJ went home early.  It closed the book on MASH and I think we can all agree that AfterMASH didn't happen.  The ultimate finale in impact if not execution.

 
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TV Finale

  1. MASH 16 points
  2. Newhart 15 points
  3. Mary Tyler Moore 14 points
  4. Cheers 13 points
  5. Breaking Bad 12 points
  6. The Fugitive 11 points
  7. The Americans 10 points
  8. 6 Feet Under 9 points
  9. St. Elsewhere 8 points
  10. The Sopranos 7 points
  11. Lost 6 points
  12. The Wonder Years 5 points
  13. Friday Night Lights 4 points
  14. Star Trek The Next Generation 3 points
  15. The West Wing 2 points
  16. Chernobyl 1 point
 
i was hoping my other Mary might make the top spot, because it invented emotional, rather than sensational, investment in finales. because that's what TV does which makes it the most immediate art form there is - allows you to become friends with your archetypes. psychologically, that is an immense feature for entertainment to have.

but rating Newhart (a largely forgotten show now) above it is so kinky i dont mind. i lovelovelooooved the first three years of M*A*S*H and still watched the rest of the way for the import of Alda's statements about the time, even tho i could barely abide what he considered comedic. but that finale went back to the sensational and i was perversely hoping you might knock it down.

again, wonderful stuff -

 
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Corporation said:
I think we can all agree that AfterMASH didn't happen. 
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i was technically in the TV biz - ABC bought a pilot based on the movie "Car Wash" i wrote with one of its stars - when AfterMASH was greenlit and i was pissed off because i had a "Radar and the cute girl he meets in his finale" script fully outlined as my second pitch

 
wikkidpissah said:
this is beautiful, beautiful work, corp - you're REALLY capturing the meaning of TV here.

i might have tried to pick the Sam/Diane wedding ep as my "finale", but you've reminded me of the importance of the scope of the whole thing. bravo -

as the only person who loved the Seinfeld finale, curious where that would have ranked

what's most important is that the only finale that ever really mattered to me is yet to be ranked, so i know you got it right, even where we disagree. beautiful, beautiful work.
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Thank you my friend!

Seinfeld is a tough one, I liked it but didn't love it.  The end is so fitting though that in a show about nothing, they were jailed for doing so much.  It featured a ton of cameos, and that felt a little like fan service to me (not that there is anything wrong with that). A trial was a clever way to get all the callbacks in, and did highlight how self absorbed this group was. This finale didn't offer closure, as the viewer assumes that the quartet will continue on as they were after this latest zany trial in their life.  The ending didn't feature highlight LOL moments, or the touching ones like Cheers and MTM were able to deliver.  I think I would have put it in the Controversial tier between the Sopranos and Lost.  Personally I would have it ahead of 6 feet under as well, but as I mentioned I tried to temper my rankings with additional feedback that bumped that one up.

 
Little disappointed in the 6 Feet Under score (one of the few picks of mine i was passionate about), but I get it. 

Overall great job with the judging! 

 
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Little disappointed in the 6 Feet Under score (one of the few picks of mine i was passionate about), but I get it. 
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Yeah sorry about that.  I didn't watch a ton of the show but it is always on the list as one of the best of all time (which is why I watched it in the first place).  It was really well done but I just didn't have the emotional connection to the characters.  That was the only one that was really impacted by my looking at external rankings (moved it up a few slots).  The other ranking I feel bad about is Chernobyl as it was well done but just didn't fit the category I thought.

Also, I stripped out all the things like who drafted it and where it was drafted and alphabetized everything so I wouldn't be swayed by other things.  I didn't go back and try to look at arguments for or against as picks were made either in my attempt to be impartial.  No doubt it was well done though.

 
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Great rankings and write-up on the finales. 

As I’m currently wearing an “I Met Li’l Sebastian” t-shirt, I’ll throw Parks & Rec out as an undrafted finale that I loved. You got to see all of the characters continuing to lead their best lives. Fit the show perfectly.

 
Don Quixote said:
Great rankings and write-up on the finales. 

As I’m currently wearing an “I Met Li’l Sebastian” t-shirt, I’ll throw Parks & Rec out as an undrafted finale that I loved. You got to see all of the characters continuing to lead their best lives. Fit the show perfectly.
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Parks and Rec finale was awesome, would have scored well.  The whole final season was well done.

Not that anyone would have picked it, but How I Met Your Mother was an example of a final season and finale so bad, it taints my overall remembrance of the show (kinda like how the Matrix sequels did for the original).

 
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Yeah sorry about that.  I didn't watch a ton of the show but it is always on the list as one of the best of all time (which is why I watched it in the first place).  It was really well done but I just didn't have the emotional connection to the characters.  That was the only one that was really impacted by my looking at external rankings (moved it up a few slots).  The other ranking I feel bad about is Chernobyl as it was well done but just didn't fit the category I thought.

Also, I stripped out all the things like who drafted it and where it was drafted and alphabetized everything so I wouldn't be swayed by other things.  I didn't go back and try to look at arguments for or against as picks were made either in my attempt to be impartial.  No doubt it was well done though.
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 I get all that, and honestly - thanks for even taking the time to look at stuff and watch the endings for the shows you hadn't seen.   

After thinking about it even more (it has been years since I've seen the show, but it really has stuck with me), one of the the things they did well leading up to the final is they took care of a prominent death before the finale.  For me I think a bit of the finale was being a cherry on top of what lead up to in in the episode before it.   Claire driving off with that song going still gives me goosebumps, but yeah - I had the build up of loving the characters too.  

I thought it was a good pick for a top finish, but I also haven't seen 7 of the shows that scored in the top 10.  :lol:  

 
Don Quixote said:
Great rankings and write-up on the finales. 

As I’m currently wearing an “I Met Li’l Sebastian” t-shirt, I’ll throw Parks & Rec out as an undrafted finale that I loved. You got to see all of the characters continuing to lead their best lives. Fit the show perfectly.
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Another I thought of that I really think stuck the landing after a shaky season before it was Buffy.   They ended up going out on top too.  

 
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Another I thought of that I really think stuck the landing after a shaky season before it was Buffy.   They ended up going out on top too.  
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Buffy's end was great (well the whole thing was great). I liked the empowerment at the end so instead of one slayer per generation, there was an army :)

Another that wasn't mentioned was The Office. I thought the last couple of seasons were not as strong, but the finale was very good.

 
Corporation said:
Not that anyone would have picked it, but How I Met Your Mother was an example of a final season and finale so bad, it taints my overall remembrance of the show (kinda like how the Matrix sequels did for the original).
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That was just awful.  What were they thinking?

Nice rankings.  Thanks.

 
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Parks and Rec finale was awesome, would have scored well.  The whole final season was well done.
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I love Parks & Rec, but couldn't finish the series because the final season went off the rails and was so bad. They should have tied up any loose ends in Season 6 and left it at that.

 
1 --Yo Mama--505

2 --tuffnutt--419

3 --mphtrilogy--416

4 --timschochet--414

5 --KarmaPolice--407

6 --jwb--402

7 --Tolstoy--395

8 --Gally Steiner--391

9 --AcerFC--389

10 -Zow--384

11 -TripleLayne--369

12 -Hov34--367

13 -Doug B--365

14 -Mrs. Rannous--352

15 -Pitchfork--343

16 -rick6668--341

 
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timschochet said:
Bump. What are we still waiting on? 
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91-20 Leading Man Comedy - @Zow

91-20 Leading Man Drama - @Zow

TV Dad - @Zow

Action - @AAABatteries

Finale - @Corporation

I think that’s it (besides Goat). 
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tim, dude, I know you don't pay attention to your own drafts, but this was just a simple scroll up from three days ago on the same darn page.  Since then, Corporation has done universally praised finale rankings.

Not to denigrate my GB Wozzow who has much other RL stuff to attend to, but he's promised for at least six weeks straight he'll do rankings, and at least one person sent a set of rankings to him over a month ago.  Why don't y'all just move on and do a consensus or something?

I don't know where AAA stands, other than yo-yo dieting and pics of his feet.

 
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krista4 said:
tim, dude, I know you don't pay attention to your own drafts, but this was just a simple scroll up from three days ago on the same darn page.  Since then, Corporation has done universally praised finale rankings.

Not to denigrate my GB Wozzow who has much other RL stuff to attend to, but he's promised for at least six weeks straight he'll do rankings, and at least one person sent a set of rankings to him over a month ago.  Why don't y'all just move on and do a consensus or something?

I don't know where AAA stands, other than yo-yo dieting and pics of his feet.
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For some reason I’m having trouble getting into the FFA these days. Anyhow you’re right. I’ll rank the greatest shows coming up here. 

 
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