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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (5 Viewers)
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Angry Bovine
Comedy is so subjective it is not surprising there is a wide variety on people's opinions. In this case, the 3 judges were pretty well aligned. I know it was a top ranked comedy for many years, I just flat out did not find the show very funny, and Charlie in particular I found much more obnoxious than funny. Conchatta Ferrell and Jon Cryer were the better parts of the show to me, but overall just wasn't a fan.
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Very true and it is why this draft scoring is such a wild ride.
ETA: Berta was very obnoxious as well as Charlie. That was the humor style. Not sure how you saw one as obnoxious and not funny and the other funny. That seems odd to me.
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Angry Bovine
I have a highly defined and metric driven "obnoxious/funny" line. Berta had a raw score of 48.72 whereas Charlie was 53.69. This gap further widened however when intangibles were taken into account, with Berta's adjusted score dropping only to a 45.32 while Charlie's inflated to a wild 72.08. According to the numbers, Berta fell just barely on the funny side where Charlie was clearly obnoxious by either raw or adjusted metrics.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
show dont work without Charlie. except for a mild affinity for Dharma and Greg because the lead reminded me of my Mary, i don't like Chuck Lorre shows, but find 2.5 behind only 30Rock as the funniest show of this century. yes, ahead of Curb, Office, Schitt's Creek, Here's Sarah Huckaby Sanders!
Cryer, Ferrell, the star turns of myriad hotties are just planets, Sheen's the star, as vital as Sam to Cheers. without his reflected light they are but frantic orbs. cropdusters waiting for Cary Grant. i'd have him behind only the Big 3 and House
AcerFC
Footballguy
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2 --mphtrilogy--461
3 --tuffnutt--449
4 --KarmaPolice--445
5 --timschochet--439
6 --jwb--437
7 --AcerFC--435
8 --Tolstoy--431
9 --Gally Steiner--428
10 -TripleLayne--405
11 -Zow--401
12 -Doug B--394
13 -Hov34--387
14 -Mrs. Rannous--387
15 -Pitchfork--387
16 -rick6668--378
2 --mphtrilogy--461
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5 --timschochet--439
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AcerFC
Footballguy
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Angry Bovine
There's no doubt that Sheen was the star. For me, it was the bolded, the show didn't work for me. I'm clearly in the minority though because it was the top rated comedy for a decade.
30 Rock is an all-time great.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It's a tight race from 3-9. Who took what for GOAT?
AcerFC
Footballguy
And I’m not fixing it you little whiny baby
sorry about that. I guess I thought I scrolled all the way. I’ll fix it later or tomorrow.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I have Breaking Bad in GOAT.
AAABatteries
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Yo Mama
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krista4
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
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13 -Hov34--387
14 -Mrs. Rannous--387
15 -Pitchfork--387
16 -rick6668--378
2 --mphtrilogy--461
3 --tuffnutt--449
4 --KarmaPolice--445
5 --timschochet--439
6 --jwb--437
7 --AcerFC--435
8 --Tolstoy--431
9 --Gally Steiner--428
10 -TripleLayne--405
11 -Zow--401
12 -Doug B--394
13 -Hov34--387
14 -Mrs. Rannous--387
15 -Pitchfork--387
16 -rick6668--378
Doug B
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I'm not sure. I think I picked The He Who Shall Remain Nameless Van Dyke Show.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
While we are waiting for the commish to come back from time out and finish this thing off, here is some info for my draft to bump this back to the first page and to gloat about my awesomeness.
YOMAMALYTICS!
536 total points represent an average of 10.7 points per selection, with a net value of +96 points (number of points in the rankings above where I drafted them).
Highest rated pick: (tie) 16 pints for Lucy Ricardo, John Madden, Freaks and Geeks, Carmela Soprano, Frank Furillo, and Endora
Shamefully lowest rated pick: 2 points for the One-Armed Man (Villain)
Best net value: +11 for Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animated) – 13 points for the second to last pick in the category
Runner ups: +10 for Finding Neverland (Documentary) and 30 Rock (90-20 Comedy – my last pick in the draft)
Worst net value: -7 for Batman in the infamous Hero rankings – 4 points for the sixth pick in the category
20 of my 50 picks were ranked 13 or higher and 32 picks were in double digits. I had more 16-point top finishes (6) than bottom four finishes (4).
YOMAMALYTICS!
536 total points represent an average of 10.7 points per selection, with a net value of +96 points (number of points in the rankings above where I drafted them).
Highest rated pick: (tie) 16 pints for Lucy Ricardo, John Madden, Freaks and Geeks, Carmela Soprano, Frank Furillo, and Endora
Shamefully lowest rated pick: 2 points for the One-Armed Man (Villain)
Best net value: +11 for Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animated) – 13 points for the second to last pick in the category
Runner ups: +10 for Finding Neverland (Documentary) and 30 Rock (90-20 Comedy – my last pick in the draft)
Worst net value: -7 for Batman in the infamous Hero rankings – 4 points for the sixth pick in the category
20 of my 50 picks were ranked 13 or higher and 32 picks were in double digits. I had more 16-point top finishes (6) than bottom four finishes (4).
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Yo Mama
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timschochet
Footballguy
Hi everyone. Back from suspension, I will begin to post the greatest show of all time write ups a little later today.
timschochet
Footballguy
The Greatest Shows of All Time
3 Pts Gunsmoke
All of these shows are excellent, but somebody had to be in last place and this was the obvious choice. Gunsmoke was a fine episodic western, but it is best remembered for its amazing longevity. There was no point during its long run when Gunsmoke was the best show on television, but it was always solidly fine. The show made stars out of its lead Arness, Dennis Weaver, and to a lesser extent for a few seasons, Burt Reynolds. Because of its episodic nature there was very little character development: Miss Kitty just kept on running that bordello, and despite flashing her eyes romantically at Matt for two decades, it never went anywhere.
If this were a radio draft this show might be too 5 as that version was even more highly regarded. Yet that also takes away from this ranking a little, since by the time the TV show premiered the American public was largely familiar with the characters and premise.
3 Pts Gunsmoke
All of these shows are excellent, but somebody had to be in last place and this was the obvious choice. Gunsmoke was a fine episodic western, but it is best remembered for its amazing longevity. There was no point during its long run when Gunsmoke was the best show on television, but it was always solidly fine. The show made stars out of its lead Arness, Dennis Weaver, and to a lesser extent for a few seasons, Burt Reynolds. Because of its episodic nature there was very little character development: Miss Kitty just kept on running that bordello, and despite flashing her eyes romantically at Matt for two decades, it never went anywhere.
If this were a radio draft this show might be too 5 as that version was even more highly regarded. Yet that also takes away from this ranking a little, since by the time the TV show premiered the American public was largely familiar with the characters and premise.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
You might want to post faster before you get banned again.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
The Greatest Shows of All Time
6 Pts The Honeymooners
From one of the longest running shows of all time to the shortest on this list: one season, 39 episodes. That was all, though Jackie Gleason kept using the characters for many years afterward. Long before Archie Bunker, his Ralph Kramden was an archetype middle class blue union guy that viewers could relate to (including his chauvinist and abusive tendencies by modern day standards.) The show was revolutionary; it essentially created the situation comedy and it was helped by amazing supporting talent starting with Art Carney.
Jackie Gleason was an amazing talent himself and one of the reasons for the shows legendary status was his ability to register emotion that was empathetic even when the viewer knows he’s wrong. Late in Gleason’s career he was featured in an underrated movie with Tom Hanks called Nothing In Common in which he was able to bring out his captivating personality in a more serious role and performance.
6 Pts The Honeymooners
From one of the longest running shows of all time to the shortest on this list: one season, 39 episodes. That was all, though Jackie Gleason kept using the characters for many years afterward. Long before Archie Bunker, his Ralph Kramden was an archetype middle class blue union guy that viewers could relate to (including his chauvinist and abusive tendencies by modern day standards.) The show was revolutionary; it essentially created the situation comedy and it was helped by amazing supporting talent starting with Art Carney.
Jackie Gleason was an amazing talent himself and one of the reasons for the shows legendary status was his ability to register emotion that was empathetic even when the viewer knows he’s wrong. Late in Gleason’s career he was featured in an underrated movie with Tom Hanks called Nothing In Common in which he was able to bring out his captivating personality in a more serious role and performance.
KarmaPolice
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timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet: I love Lucy
@Hov34 The Wire
@Gally@Charlie Steiner Seinfeld
@AcerFC Jeopardy
@rick6668 Game of Thrones
@AAABatteries @BobbyLayne The Sopranos
@mphtrilogy The Simpsons
@tuffnutt Cheers
@Pitchfork The Office
@jwb The Honeymooners
@Mrs. Rannous The Carol Burnett Show
@Zow Gunsmoke
@Tolstoy The West Wing
@Doug B Saturday Night Live
@KarmaPolice Breaking Bad
@Yo Mama Star Trek
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Oh, yeah. I didn't pick the other show. I couldn't remember.
krista4
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
The Greatest Shows of All Time
9 Pts Star Trek (The Original Series)
Three seasons. Arguably the most original and creative series in television history. Roddenberry managed to create, not a whole world but a whole universe with a ton of concepts that have become famous and iconic. Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans, “beam me up” are household words. In addition, it was one of the first multiracial shows. The two leading characters are perhaps the most famous to be created on television ever. And as for the franchise it created, perhaps only Star Wars rivals it for its place in American culture.
The show itself had some tremendous episodes, especially in the first two seasons. “Miri” is still as scary as anything thats ever been on TV. “Amok Time” and “City on the Edge of Forever” (written by Harlan Ellison) are superb science fiction. And there see plenty of others.
And yet for all its creativity the show appeared to run out of ideas by the third season. Episodes like “A Piece of the Action” (let’s make Kirk and Spock gangsters!) were typical, or having yet another godlike figure threaten the Enterprise until Kirk outsmarts him with some inane question. Acting and dialogue got worse and worse. Pulling the plug was probably, in retrospect, a good idea.
9 Pts Star Trek (The Original Series)
Three seasons. Arguably the most original and creative series in television history. Roddenberry managed to create, not a whole world but a whole universe with a ton of concepts that have become famous and iconic. Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans, “beam me up” are household words. In addition, it was one of the first multiracial shows. The two leading characters are perhaps the most famous to be created on television ever. And as for the franchise it created, perhaps only Star Wars rivals it for its place in American culture.
The show itself had some tremendous episodes, especially in the first two seasons. “Miri” is still as scary as anything thats ever been on TV. “Amok Time” and “City on the Edge of Forever” (written by Harlan Ellison) are superb science fiction. And there see plenty of others.
And yet for all its creativity the show appeared to run out of ideas by the third season. Episodes like “A Piece of the Action” (let’s make Kirk and Spock gangsters!) were typical, or having yet another godlike figure threaten the Enterprise until Kirk outsmarts him with some inane question. Acting and dialogue got worse and worse. Pulling the plug was probably, in retrospect, a good idea.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
It’s pretty amazing Honeymooners and ST:TOS are GOAT contenders with such short runs.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Talk about a slow reveal.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Not my pick, so this isn't meant as a complaint, just observation about judging this category...
I think in some ways it should be ranked higher for all the meta-level notes it hit; at its best, the show was simply a vehicle for addressing social issues, and Rodenberry and co. did it in a way that was both revealing yet removed enough that their message was able to probe sensitive spots with a gentle touch. The story of Nichelle Nichols staying on the show because Martin Luther King told her that it was important to see people of color holding high-profile roles in the future is becoming more well known as the years go by, and IMO set the standard for what diversity on TV should look like, which is a tough factor to work into calculating a show's all-time value but should be considered nonetheless. You rightly pointed out how the show itself lost its way toward the end of its initial run, but without knowing for sure, I would guess, just like with The Smothers Brothers show, executives and powers that be in the business were too uncomfortable/feared losing sponsors over potentially controversial material. Regardless of what the true factors were that ended the show, pound for pound it created a longer wake behind it than most shows, a fact that should have carried higher than 14 out of the 16 choices given.
FWIW, I agree with the other picks revealed so far. I think Gunsmoke owes its longevity to the radio show (FWIW, it would be in the top 3, with Dragnet being #1 by a large margin), and The Honeymooners, while well done, didn't really move the needle like the other shows on the list. Top-notch entertainment to be sure, but again that was due more to the execution of it by the actors than the content itself.
I do have a question for when you reveal our pick...
Gally and I had 2 good options for this category, Seinfeld and Mad Men. We unanimously agreed on Seinfeld, but I think Mad Men would do well here as well. I just couldn't make a case for it, since it was the 5th or 6th show taken in its category, Nevertheless, if you have a minute when you post Seinfeld, if it's no trouble, please include your estimation of where Mad Men would have landed in the rankings, as I keep going back to it.
timschochet
Footballguy
No problem. Mad Men was an excellent show and would have done well on this list. How well, especially in relation to Seinfeld, I’m not sure about that. I’ll give that some thought.
I agree with your points about Star Trek and I had a difficult time placing it. (Like so many of these shows!)
timschochet
Footballguy
There is a big fail in this draft by all of us: nobody took Buffy the Vampire Slayer? In the horror category, as a hero, nowhere?
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
episode count:
Original Star Trek - 79
Breaking Bad - 62
The Wire - 60
GoT - 60
Sopranos - 86
Jeopardy - squillion
Original Star Trek - 79
Breaking Bad - 62
The Wire - 60
GoT - 60
Sopranos - 86
Jeopardy - squillion
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
TBH, I had no hesitation about choosing Seinfeld over Mad Men for this category, so it was more just curiosity as it gets mentioned in the same breath as some of the other shows in our GOAT list.
AcerFC
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