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The Inauguration (2 Viewers)

Tub of Goo said:
President Trump referred to himself 3 times & the people 45 times in his inaugural address. Contrast that with Obama's inaugural speech and his exit one where it was all about him both times.
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Eh you might want to check the text of the speech, he didn't say 'people' 45 times... which I'm ok with. 

 
Trump should be thanking these protestors of the past few days...it is saving him millions in advertising for the 2020 election...

 
Ilov80s said:
Here is the conversation people are having, "Barron is weird. Yeah, maybe he has autism. Yeah maybe because he is so weird." I am not saying you said that, but it's the line of thought that has created this "speculation". It's awful. 
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I'll end with this...literally nobody did that in this thread.  If they had I would agree.  The conversation was about how kids are off limits and the difficulties being in the spotlight and even highlighted it's good that Melania is keeping him in his school.

As well as explaining why POTUS may be anti vaccination.

If there had been any bashing of the kid or talking disrespectful about him or making fun of him...that is wrong and shouldn't happen.

Idint believe that happened (other than mr ignore trying to take shots at me)

Young kids should be off limits.  

 
Trump also deserves credit for successfully getting all of these women together for the march.  Had Hillary won, there would be no march.  

 
Getzlaf15 said:
So FHA mortgage insurance is now 0.85%. They were going to drop it to 0.60%.  That's a 29.4% drop in funding the insurance pool. Real estate is due for a cyclical correction soon. Not the best idea imo to drop this rate so much. 
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You could make the same argument in relation to taxes and the deficit. Cutting corporate taxes by 50% will have an impact on the already massive budget deficit.

 
Hang 10 said:
I wouldn't hold your breath. Anyone who said this was a divisive speech was either a bureaucrat or someone who didn't hear it. 
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I heard it. I'm not a bureaucrat. It was incredibly divisive. 

Just like his campaign speeches this speech presented a vision of America that simply does not exist, in which violent crime (at record lows) is a way of life, foreign aid (one half of one percent of the annual budget) is destroying the middle class, schools teach our children nothing, etc etc. His solutions to these faux problems? Patriotism, loyalty, build a wall, tariffs, and increase the power of law enforcement. (The last is sure to be a winner among minorities.) 

 
timschochet said:
I heard it. I'm not a bureaucrat. It was incredibly divisive. 

Just like his campaign speeches this speech presented a vision of America that simply does not exist, in which violent crime (at record lows) is a way of life, foreign aid (one half of one percent of the annual budget) is destroying the middle class, schools teach our children nothing, etc etc. His solutions to these faux problems? Patriotism, loyalty, build a wall, tariffs, and increase the power of law enforcement. (The last is sure to be a winner among minorities.) 
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:lmao:

So because you think things are just swell the speech was divisive? You're reaching. 

 
timschochet said:
I heard it. I'm not a bureaucrat. It was incredibly divisive. 

Just like his campaign speeches this speech presented a vision of America that simply does not exist, in which violent crime (at record lows) is a way of life, foreign aid (one half of one percent of the annual budget) is destroying the middle class, schools teach our children nothing, etc etc. His solutions to these faux problems? Patriotism, loyalty, build a wall, tariffs, and increase the power of law enforcement. (The last is sure to be a winner among minorities.) 
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Is this what republicans really want - to not even be educated on whether there is a problem, to support this idea that we are color blind by getting less information?

"Rep. Gosar (R-AZ) introduces bill to block HUD from building, maintaining, providing geospatial info on racial disparities in housing access"

 
Hang 10 said:
:lmao:

So because you think things are just swell the speech was divisive? You're reaching. 
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I don't think things are swell at all. But let me ask you a simple question: given all of the race/police protests and riots we've seen in recent years (Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.) do you think Trump pledging to unequivocally support law enforcement will make this type of events less likely or more likely? 

 
Regarding Barron, I'm going to go with this idea and see how it plays out in years to come: he's obviously a young man of privilege.  But the years in the White House - very formative years for him - will directly expose him to many realities of this world ...and it makes him a compassionate and generous man with strong desires to do good in this world.  Now, maybe none of this happens.  But I'll enjoy carrying this hope with me through these years and see how he develops.

 
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timschochet said:
I don't think things are swell at all. But let me ask you a simple question: given all of the race/police protests and riots we've seen in recent years (Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.) do you think Trump pledging to unequivocally support law enforcement will make this type of events less likely or more likely? 
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You do realize how both examples you cited turned out, right? You've got to do better to make a valid point.  

 
tri-man 47 said:
Regarding Barron, I'm going to go with this idea and see how it plays out in years to come: he's obviously a young man of privilege.  But the years in the White House - very formative years for him - will directly expose him to many realities of this world ...and it makes him a compassionate and generous man with strong desires to do good in this world.  Now, maybe none of this happens.  But I'll enjoy carrying this hope with me through these years and see how he develops.
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It might also be an interesting case study of whether psychopathy is genetic.

 
Tub of Goo said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Words used for the first time in an inauguration.
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President Trump referred to himself 3 times & the people 45 times in his inaugural address. Contrast that with Obama's inaugural speech and his exit one where it was all about him both times.
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Here is Obama's first inaugural address -- Obama says "I" exactly 3 times, one of which is "I want to thank President Bush".

Here is Trump's first inaugural address -- he also says "I" exactly 3 times.

But hey, it takes a special person to think that "I thank President Bush" is a selfish thing to say.

 
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avoiding injuries said:
You do realize how both examples you cited turned out, right? You've got to do better to make a valid point.  
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I wasn't making an argument about the right or wrong of either incident. I am just simply asking whether or not the hostile climate that resulted in protests and riots over such incidents is going to improve with a President and Attorney General who express knee jerk support for law enforcement whatever the circumstances. Will this make things better or worse?

 
timschochet said:
I wasn't making an argument about the right or wrong of either incident. I am just simply asking whether or not the hostile climate that resulted in protests and riots over such incidents is going to improve with a President and Attorney General who express knee jerk support for law enforcement whatever the circumstances. Will this make things better or worse?
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Making minorities feels ignored will undoubtedly make things worse.

 
timschochet said:
I heard it. I'm not a bureaucrat. It was incredibly divisive. 

Just like his campaign speeches this speech presented a vision of America that simply does not exist, in which violent crime (at record lows) is a way of life, foreign aid (one half of one percent of the annual budget) is destroying the middle class, schools teach our children nothing, etc etc. His solutions to these faux problems? Patriotism, loyalty, build a wall, tariffs, and increase the power of law enforcement. (The last is sure to be a winner among minorities.) 
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Tim, the problem is the Left picks and chooses when to see things as a problem. Trump says Crime is a problem. The Left fires back with your answer above that all is well. Yet, the next shooting we have perpetrated by a white guy, every Left leaning person goes on and on about how shootings and violence in the country are out of control and the government needs to do something. Overall crime numbers (burglaries, car thefts, etc) are down, but violent crime is rising in concerning numbers--especially in the inner cities.  

Trump says we need to do more for the schools. Yet, you say that is a "faux problem". But it would take very little google searching to find quotes from Obama saying the exact same thing--matter of fact, Obama was trying for a one billion dollar aid package for low income schools just days before leaving office. Trump vows to help schools=bad. Obama vows to help schools=greatest president ever. :confused:

While I will give you this, his speech, in its tone, would have been better fitted for something at a 4th of July celebration, I have zero problems with someone injecting a little "USA USA"  into a speech and you shouldn't either. Just because someone says they are pro-American doesn't  mean are they anti-everyone else. The line "We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones" seems to support that.

You are letting your feelings for the man, cloud the content. If Elizabeth Warren gave sections of this speech, you would have stood up and cheered because she was sticking it to those fat-cat Washington types and she is just speaking up for the little guy, but Trump said it, so it must be bad.

I am cautiously optimistic, but if things do not turn out well, in four years I will gladly pull the lever for someone else--even if they have a "D" after their name if that is what is the best for this country.

 
timschochet said:
I wasn't making an argument about the right or wrong of either incident. I am just simply asking whether or not the hostile climate that resulted in protests and riots over such incidents is going to improve with a President and Attorney General who express knee jerk support for law enforcement whatever the circumstances. Will this make things better or worse?
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Better. 

 
Courtjester said:
Tim, the problem is the Left picks and chooses when to see things as a problem. Trump says Crime is a problem. The Left fires back with your answer above that all is well. Yet, the next shooting we have perpetrated by a white guy, every Left leaning person goes on and on about how shootings and violence in the country are out of control and the government needs to do something. Overall crime numbers (burglaries, car thefts, etc) are down, but violent crime is rising in concerning numbers--especially in the inner cities.  

Trump says we need to do more for the schools. Yet, you say that is a "faux problem". But it would take very little google searching to find quotes from Obama saying the exact same thing--matter of fact, Obama was trying for a one billion dollar aid package for low income schools just days before leaving office. Trump vows to help schools=bad. Obama vows to help schools=greatest president ever. :confused:

While I will give you this, his speech, in its tone, would have been better fitted for something at a 4th of July celebration, I have zero problems with someone injecting a little "USA USA"  into a speech and you shouldn't either. Just because someone says they are pro-American doesn't  mean are they anti-everyone else. The line "We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones" seems to support that.

You are letting your feelings for the man, cloud the content. If Elizabeth Warren gave sections of this speech, you would have stood up and cheered because she was sticking it to those fat-cat Washington types and she is just speaking up for the little guy, but Trump said it, so it must be bad.

I am cautiously optimistic, but if things do not turn out well, in four years I will gladly pull the lever for someone else--even if they have a "D" after their name if that is what is the best for this country.
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You make some very good points here. But while many of them may apply to leftist critics of Trump, I don't think they apply to me. I was responding to Hang 10's claim that the speech wasn't divisive. I found it one of the most divisive speeches I've ever heard, for the reasons I've stated. I also found it scary for other reasons I've stated earlier.

One other thing- I would absolutely NOT cheer Liz Warren for talking about the fat-cat Washington types. I do not like populism. I do not like it from Republicans, or Democrats, or whomever.

 
Hang 10 said:
What did he say that was divisive in the speech? He took shots at Washington and terrorism but his main point was giving power back to the people of this country. 
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...while bashing the country's military and making us look like a dystopian wasteland.

When was the last time a president said we needed to "rebuild the country" in an inaugural address? (hint: it's never happened before)

 
timschochet said:
I wasn't making an argument about the right or wrong of either incident. I am just simply asking whether or not the hostile climate that resulted in protests and riots over such incidents is going to improve with a President and Attorney General who express knee jerk support for law enforcement whatever the circumstances. Will this make things better or worse?




 
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The media continues to push the false narrative that Donald Trump is somehow an "illegitimate President".  Popular vote, Ties with Russia?, Comey, etc.  The center candidate that was completely disconnected with the people lost when she failed to campaign hard in Wisconsin and Ohio.  That is the story.  All this other nonsense has led to the protests and riots.  And be honest?  Does anyone think these riots are helping to bring more people into the fold for future elections?  I guess it can get the Dems votes on the coasts, but the rest of the country is massively turned off by the cry-babies and their tantrums.

 
Courtjester said:
Tim, the problem is the Left picks and chooses when to see things as a problem. Trump says Crime is a problem. The Left fires back with your answer above that all is well. Yet, the next shooting we have perpetrated by a white guy, every Left leaning person goes on and on about how shootings and violence in the country are out of control and the government needs to do something. Overall crime numbers (burglaries, car thefts, etc) are down, but violent crime is rising in concerning numbers--especially in the inner cities.  

Trump says we need to do more for the schools. Yet, you say that is a "faux problem". But it would take very little google searching to find quotes from Obama saying the exact same thing--matter of fact, Obama was trying for a one billion dollar aid package for low income schools just days before leaving office. Trump vows to help schools=bad. Obama vows to help schools=greatest president ever. :confused:

While I will give you this, his speech, in its tone, would have been better fitted for something at a 4th of July celebration, I have zero problems with someone injecting a little "USA USA"  into a speech and you shouldn't either. Just because someone says they are pro-American doesn't  mean are they anti-everyone else. The line "We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones" seems to support that.

You are letting your feelings for the man, cloud the content. If Elizabeth Warren gave sections of this speech, you would have stood up and cheered because she was sticking it to those fat-cat Washington types and she is just speaking up for the little guy, but Trump said it, so it must be bad.

I am cautiously optimistic, but if things do not turn out well, in four years I will gladly pull the lever for someone else--even if they have a "D" after their name if that is what is the best for this country.
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Vowing to help schools while appointing head of education who is pro charter is a contradiction. It shows he's full of ####. 

I think complaining about school shootings by white guys reflects abhorrence for the fetishizing of guns.

 
Courtjester said:
Tim, the problem is the Left picks and chooses when to see things as a problem. Trump says Crime is a problem. The Left fires back with your answer above that all is well. Yet, the next shooting we have perpetrated by a white guy, every Left leaning person goes on and on about how shootings and violence in the country are out of control and the government needs to do something. Overall crime numbers (burglaries, car thefts, etc) are down, but violent crime is rising in concerning numbers--especially in the inner cities.  

Trump says we need to do more for the schools. Yet, you say that is a "faux problem". But it would take very little google searching to find quotes from Obama saying the exact same thing--matter of fact, Obama was trying for a one billion dollar aid package for low income schools just days before leaving office. Trump vows to help schools=bad. Obama vows to help schools=greatest president ever. :confused:

While I will give you this, his speech, in its tone, would have been better fitted for something at a 4th of July celebration, I have zero problems with someone injecting a little "USA USA"  into a speech and you shouldn't either. Just because someone says they are pro-American doesn't  mean are they anti-everyone else. The line "We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones" seems to support that.

You are letting your feelings for the man, cloud the content. If Elizabeth Warren gave sections of this speech, you would have stood up and cheered because she was sticking it to those fat-cat Washington types and she is just speaking up for the little guy, but Trump said it, so it must be bad.

I am cautiously optimistic, but if things do not turn out well, in four years I will gladly pull the lever for someone else--even if they have a "D" after their name if that is what is the best for this country.
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Vowing to help schools while appointing head of education who is pro charter is a contradiction. It shows he's full of ####. 

I think complaining about school shootings by white guys reflects abhorrence for the fetishizing of guns.

 
sho nuff said:
How so?  Just wanting no one of you to point to what he did to actually make it worse?

get past "he could be my son" as if that was incendiary..,
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Well, my opinion is only that, my opinion, but my opinion is that how he reacted to police incidents was a big part of what led to rioting when his response was knee jerk and turned out to be wrong. Black Lives Matter vs. Blue Lives Matter was under Obama's watch so ya, I put that on him. You may disagree, which is fine, but that's absolutely my take.

 
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