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The Inauguration (1 Viewer)

McGarnicle said:
For anyone interested in the psychopath angle, this is precisely what they are good at -- wearing you down with their lies. Lie to cover up other lies. Lie just because he can't help it and it gives him a rush. Lie because there's no downside -- he's incapable of feeling remorse. The effect to the listener is exactly as described above -- initially bewilderment and confusion and eventually you're simply worn down and you give up.

It's pretty clear from this first press conference that Trump found his perfect press secretary. That level of righteous indignation while communicating something that is so obviously a load of bull#### requires a rare blend of stagecraft and shamelessness. The guy comes off like a snake oil salesman, or simply a snake.

Imagine it's your job to ask that guy questions every day (assuming he even takes questions). "The sky is pink, the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth and the media is dishonest for saying otherwise. #### you, no questions".

It should be very difficult to wear down the media to the point that they stop trying anymore, but I think this guy may be able to do it. It's going to take some very dedicated and tenacious journalists to hang in there for 4 years.
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It's not just him. It's the entire right wing bubble. 

 
NREC34 said:
It's not just him. It's the entire right wing bubble. 
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This, so much this.  Can't inform them of anything.  They have their truth and its all that matters to them.  You know, to them water is not wet, the sun is gray, the ocean is the sky, on and on and on........ Has to be some sort of illness I figure.  Cant think of another reason.

 
"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - G. Orwell,1984

 
McGarnicle said:
I don't know. If I were Trump, Spicer could name his price. That was masterful today. Imagine how he can lie about stuff that the press can't immediately debunk. The man's got skills.
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Right, but Spicer will soon have enough of lying to protect Donald's thin skin. I think he'll quit within six months.

 
McGarnicle said:
I don't know. If I were Trump, Spicer could name his price. That was masterful today. Imagine how he can lie about stuff that the press can't immediately debunk. The man's got skills.
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Well, not legally he can't.  He's a federal employee. 

Which makes today's display all the more absurd.  We're paying him to lie to us.

 
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Mile High said:
"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - G. Orwell,1984
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This is Greg Sargent at WaPo, and I think he has summed up something I've been trying to put my finger on but haven't been able to say it concisely, but this is it:

We appear to be entering into truly uncharted territory. The vast extent of Trump’s global holdings, combined with their opacity, create both a level of potential for conflicts, and an inability for us to track those conflicts, that render all efforts to predict the consequences utterly hopeless.

It is hard to say what will happen now. The role of the press in trying to keep track of those conflicts will be crucial. But on that front, too, what we saw at today’s presser was cause for alarm. Trump tore into CNN as “fake news” for publishing a careful if provocative and envelope-pushing story on unverified claims that Russian intelligence gathered compromising information on him. Trump ferociously attacked Buzzfeed for publishing a dossier of those claims, pointedly noting that Buzzfeed would “suffer the consequences.”

That would be worrisome enough on its own. But combine it with Trump’s unprecedented dishonesty and his refusal to revise his claims when they are widely called out as false, and it all starts to smack of an effort to stamp out the very possibility of shared agreement on the legitimate institutional role of the news media or even on reality itself. It’s easy to imagine that, if and when a news organization uncovers potential conflicts, Trump will simply deny the reality of what’s been uncovered (“fake news”) and begin threatening “consequences” towards that organization.
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- I think this is at the heart of what we've been seeing at FFA of late. Discussions that grind to a painful nadir because people of opposing minds on Trump can't agree what they're even supposed to agree on because the very act of looking at 'a reported' fact is treated (even if not viewed) as an act of disloyalty. It's all been very odd.

I don't know if authoritarianism is always consciously ideological, ie fascistic or communistic or whatever. Those in power just do what they want to ensure that their power is increased and protected. It can be under any name, it may not even matter.

 
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Mr.Pack said:
Who is afraid of this? This is just hilarious.

The only ones I see posting about crowd size is the Dems, like the smaller the crowd, they will change the outcome and give the Presidency to Hillary. 

I'ts truly cracking me up here.

If it makes you guys feel better, Obama had like 75 million at both inaugurations and Trump had 7500. There ya go. Run with it!   :lmao:
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Bad schtick, Bro.  

 
Mr.Pack said:
I agree with you. 

I say lets see how this goes after 6mos to a year rather jumping on his jock with something so inconsequential as the crowd size. Guys been in office 1 day for crying out loud and the microscopes are out already. I;m not sure how this is all going to shake out, I;m hopeful for him and fr all of America. But man even Obama was in office longer than a day until the pitchforks came out.
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You must not have been watching FOX or listening to Hannity, Rush, et. all those pundits that day.  

 
Juxtatarot said:
Right, but Spicer will soon have enough of lying to protect Donald's thin skin. I think he'll quit within six months.
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One would hope that everyone around him would eventually get so disgusted that he'd have literally no one willing to work in his administration. But those are coveted jobs and there's no shortage of horrible people to do them. Really sucks.

 
Here's my thing about CrowdGate in relation my perception of how Trump's going to rule and what I actually want from him.

I got no respect for the guy for complaining/whining about it; it being something so trivial.  Just tell me

"Crowds might have been a little light in comparison to President Obamas First Innauguration.  That was a historical moment in which the whole country came together and it was beautiful.  I'm going to do such a good job for the American People.....my second innauguration will be bigger than mine and President Obamas first ones combined". Every American will want to be there."

My quote steals the ability of hostile press to use Obama as a detremental comparison to Trump. It's him telling us that he's going to be a POTUS for all of us.  It's got American bravado and it has honesty. Instead, we get a scared, yellow dude at a podium screaming and stammering figures and numbers that most realize are a lie. 

 
Mindy FinnVerified account‏@mindyfinn

Manipulation 101: create alternate reality to establish authority in every instance. We're on to you, @presssec. And we won't be fooled.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I find that hard to believe.  I haven't watched an inauguration in years, but I had to watch this one for the sheer horror of it.  Surely I'm not alone.
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I'd think that number is heavily influenced by the rise in cord-cutting since 2009.

Most Americans hating his guts obviously doesn't help. I can't agree with the latter personally, though I'm sure many tune in for that. I get no enjoyment out of watching that man. He's probably the most irritating public speaker I've ever seen. Combined with the fact that he never says anything of substance, I just don't see the point.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Heh

Duff Goldman posted a picture of the cake he made for Obama 4 years ago with a cake at Trump's Inaugural Ball. He did not make the Trump one

IMO, both cakes are  :shrug:
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Follow-up story about cake

Highlights:

Trump's people wanted the exact cake from the photo they had of Duff's cake from 2013.  Bakery recommended to use photo as inspiration, but Team Trump insisted on exact copy because it was "perfect".  

Per the order, only one three-inch slice of the cake was requested to be real cake - the part Trump and Pence sliced with a sword.  The rest of the cake was a styrofoam prop.

The owner of the bakery believes Trump is "unfit" to be President, but didn't want to discriminate against a customer.  So they took the order and made the cake styrofoam prop, and donated the profits to the Human Rights Campaign because of their work for LGBT equality.  

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I find that hard to believe.  I haven't watched an inauguration in years, but I had to watch this one for the sheer horror of it.  Surely I'm not alone.
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I'm sure lots of people felt that way, but others like me couldn't watch a second of it. Normally I'd watch regardless of who it was, because it's such a great unique event and maybe the best expression of our democracy. But to have someone like Trump in that great moment is just obscene and degrading to the country. My hat's off to you for hanging in there, you've got a stronger stomach than I do.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You're not including the Russia TV ratings.

Kidding but not... is there some ace in the pocket that Spicey Spice is looking at like total global audience? Just covering bases here.
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HA!  I like it!    :D

Also, that could go towards my looney theory in regards to DJT's Snape-ness.

If he is going to succeed on that front, those RT ratings matter bigly!

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Follow-up story about cake

Highlights:

Trump's people wanted the exact cake from the photo they had of Duff's cake from 2013.  Bakery recommended to use photo as inspiration, but Team Trump insisted on exact copy because it was "perfect".  

Per the order, only one three-inch slice of the cake was requested to be real cake - the part Trump and Pence sliced with a sword.  The rest of the cake was a styrofoam prop.

The owner of the bakery believes Trump is "unfit" to be President, but didn't want to discriminate against a customer.  So they took the order and made the cake styrofoam prop, and donated the profits to the Human Rights Campaign because of their work for LGBT equality.  
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This is awesome. Reminds me of the binders full of blank pages at the press conference and the 68-story building that's really only 58 stories. Or those fake homes along the border in North Korea.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I find that hard to believe.  I haven't watched an inauguration in years, but I had to watch this one for the sheer horror of it.  Surely I'm not alone.
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3 million or so people today probably didn't watch.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You're not including the Russia TV ratings.

Kidding but not... is there some ace in the pocket that Spicey Spice is looking at like total global audience? Just covering bases here.
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Why would he? We know he lied about the metro numbers, the grass being covered for the first time and it sounds like whatever that magnet thing he mentioned being used was a lie also. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Why would he? We know he lied about the metro numbers, the grass being covered for the first time and it sounds like whatever that magnet thing he mentioned being used was a lie also. 
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It rained, and security was too tight so no one could get in, and there were monsters scaring everyone away and there was a flood and a volcano and Obama's a Muslim

 
McGarnicle said:
This is awesome. Reminds me of the binders full of blank pages at the press conference and the 68-story building that's really only 58 stories. Or those fake homes along the border in North Korea.
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We're 36 hours into this and we already have CrowdGate, CakeGate, WaltzGate and DeletedTweetGate

we're going to run out of -gates with this guy

 
Ilov80s said:
Why would he? We know he lied about the metro numbers, the grass being covered for the first time and it sounds like whatever that magnet thing he mentioned being used was a lie also. 
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IMO, the success or failure of disinformation hinges on providing evidence to at least some degree of truth.  If this ace exists, it is a trump card imo.

 
McGarnicle said:
This is awesome. Reminds me of the binders full of blank pages at the press conference and the 68-story building that's really only 58 stories. Or those fake homes along the border in North Korea.
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Exactly.  

My favorite part of this is that the cake was like 90% styrofoam.  My second-favorite part is if they had taken the bakery's advice and used a few different cakes for inspiration and come up with their own design, there's no way there's a follow-up story revealing the plagiarism was purely intentional and there was almost no cake in the cake.

 
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