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The Inauguration (2 Viewers)

One thing I forgot to mention about yesterday's speech: FOR THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO USE THE PHRASE "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM"!!!!

That's got to have a huge impact, right? Do you suppose ISIS is cringing right now? ("He said it! He actually said it! Now what shall we do?")

 
Anyone mention his inauguration cake yet? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? Did Melania pick this out too? 

 
Tub of Goo said:
[scooter] said:
...while bashing the country's military and making us look like a dystopian wasteland.

When was the last time a president said we needed to "rebuild the country" in an inaugural address? (hint: it's never happened before)


 
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seriously?  bashing the military?  That's what you got from this.  Everyone I know in the military supported Trump and they loved this speech. 
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Hey, that's fine that you and your friends think that way. But Donald Trump is the first president in history who said that our military was depleted in an inaugural address. Those words gave great comfort to our enemies throughout the world.

 
timschochet said:
One thing I forgot to mention about yesterday's speech: FOR THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO USE THE PHRASE "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM"!!!!

That's got to have a huge impact, right? Do you suppose ISIS is cringing right now? ("He said it! He actually said it! Now what shall we do?")
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I don't mind him saying that. Heck maybe Obama and others could've used the term but I'm sure they had good reasons not too. If he just fights and tries to stop the radicals instead of lumping a bunch of good people all together, I'd be fine with it. 

 
timschochet said:
One thing I forgot to mention about yesterday's speech: FOR THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO USE THE PHRASE "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM"!!!!

That's got to have a huge impact, right? Do you suppose ISIS is cringing right now? ("He said it! He actually said it! Now what shall we do?")
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Hopefully radical Islamic terrorists weren't offended by that.

 
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T J said:
Well, my opinion is only that, my opinion, but my opinion is that how he reacted to police incidents was a big part of what led to rioting when his response was knee jerk and turned out to be wrong. Black Lives Matter vs. Blue Lives Matter was under Obama's watch so ya, I put that on him. You may disagree, which is fine, but that's absolutely my take.
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Fair enough 

 
Slapdash said:
He is a fraud in everything he does :lmao:
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It's laughable. I mean that as in I just laughed literally (the old, real definition) out loud. 

As Lord Byron out of, if I laugh, 'tis  that I may not weep. 

Gonna be laughing a lot these next four years.

 
timschochet said:
One thing I forgot to mention about yesterday's speech: FOR THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO USE THE PHRASE "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM"!!!!

That's got to have a huge impact, right? Do you suppose ISIS is cringing right now? ("He said it! He actually said it! Now what shall we do?")
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I am surprised all ISIS terrorists all over the world didn't just drop their weapons and surrender

 
timschochet said:
One thing I forgot to mention about yesterday's speech: FOR THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO USE THE PHRASE "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM"!!!!

That's got to have a huge impact, right? Do you suppose ISIS is cringing right now? ("He said it! He actually said it! Now what shall we do?")
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Tbh I don't have a problem with the phrase but this...

And unite the civilized world against Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth.
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...seems like a severe overpromise. We've been at war in 7 countries under 2 presidents for 16 years.

And I think Trump will find that countries are less willing to cooperate with a US - to protect us - which is not willing to help protect them against countries and threats they feel to be truly existential to them, ie Russia and economic and other issues.

 
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timschochet said:
How much you want to bet that during the next 4 years federal spending will increase? Are you willing to wager money on this?
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Hell no.  I have no hope that Trump will actually reduce spending.  That's why I couched my statement as "if" he actually could accomplish this...

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Tbh I don't have a problem with the phrase but this...

And unite the civilized world against Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth.
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...seems like a severe overpromise. We've been at war in 7 countries under 2 presidents for 16 years.
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"America first" and "we will eradicate radical Islamic terrorism completely from the face of the earth" are not compatible phrases.

 
We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city in every foreign capital and in every hall of power. From this day forward a new vision will govern our land. From this day forward it's going to be only America first, America first.

Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.
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We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones. And unite the civilized world against Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth.
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- These two things are incompatible.

 
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In the transaction of your foreign affairs we have endeavored to cultivate the friendship of all nations, and especially of those with which we have the most important relations. We have done them justice on all occasions, favored where favor was lawful, and cherished mutual interests and intercourse on fair and equal terms. We are firmly convinced, and we act on that conviction, that with nations as with individuals our interests soundly calculated will ever be found inseparable from our moral duties, and history bears witness to the fact that a just nation is trusted on its word when recourse is had to armaments and wars to bridle others.
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http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres17.html

- TJ.

 
We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city in every foreign capital and in every hall of power. From this day forward a new vision will govern our land. From this day forward it's going to be only America first, America first.
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If this was really a quote from the speech, this has to be the most notable part. The leader of the free world essentially told the free world to go #### themselves. Well, perhaps that's too harsh a spin, but it I don't know how you could interpret it any other way than at the very least a slap in the face of our allies. 

 
Soonerman said:
Really.  I would challenge you to find one post where I have praised him (before this one).  I personally can't stand the moron.
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Ok Soonerman, maybe I'm wrong.  The only memorable thing I remember you saying recently was some disagreement we had on abortion/financial assistance for mothers.  I'm not going to mine your posts, but I guess the general vibe you gave me was that of a Trumpkin and since so many here pretend to be libertarians or independents but certainly do not act like it, I may have been quick to throw you into a particular basket you didn't deserve to be in.  We can just round up and say I'm wrong here if you want.

 
Dedfin said:
Ok Soonerman, maybe I'm wrong.  The only memorable thing I remember you saying recently was some disagreement we had on abortion/financial assistance for mothers.  I'm not going to mine your posts, but I guess the general vibe you gave me was that of a Trumpkin and since so many here pretend to be libertarians or independents but certainly do not act like it, I may have been quick to throw you into a particular basket you didn't deserve to be in.  We can just round up and say I'm wrong here if you want.
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I don't think he comes down equally in both sides at all.

 
bigbottom said:
If this was really a quote from the speech, this has to be the most notable part. The leader of the free world essentially told the free world to go #### themselves. Well, perhaps that's too harsh a spin, but it I don't know how you could interpret it any other way than at the very least a slap in the face of our allies. 
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By far the most historically notable part of the speech, and the one that could have far reaching implications.  I wasn't happy with these words.  I fear it could embolden another country (Russia) to take action, thinking that the United States won't intervene.

 
Higgs said:
By far the most historically notable part of the speech, and the one that could have far reaching implications.  I wasn't happy with these words.  I fear it could embolden another country (Russia) to take action, thinking that the United States won't intervene.
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And that would be different from the last 8 years?

 
Higgs said:
bigbottom said:
If this was really a quote from the speech, this has to be the most notable part. The leader of the free world essentially told the free world to go #### themselves. Well, perhaps that's too harsh a spin, but it I don't know how you could interpret it any other way than at the very least a slap in the face of our allies. 
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By far the most historically notable part of the speech, and the one that could have far reaching implications.  I wasn't happy with these words.  I fear it could embolden another country (Russia) to take action, thinking that the United States won't intervene.
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Trump's speech did not embolden Russia because they were already emboldened months ago.

Trump's speech emboldened every other country that hates America and/or freedom.

 
Hang 10 said:
And that would be different from the last 8 years?
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Well it won't be except, you know that during the last 8 years, like the 60 or so before them, we remained committed to the defense of our allies in NATO and never once, since the late 1940s, have ever suggested otherwise. 

But other than that you're right! Exactly the same....

 
Hang 10 said:
And that would be different from the last 8 years?
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It's a tad bit confused, don't you think?

The argument is Obama is too weak on Russia, but he's also too hard because he leveled sanctions, and we should get along with Russia... so take away the sanctions.,,, and also negate our obligation to NATO.... which is weak, weaker than anything that Obama (or any president) ever said or did, weaker than Syria even.... but oh hey Russia wants us completely out of Syria, so let's do that... and we want the 'civilized world' (Christendom?) to unite but oh hey we're telling them they're on their own for anything they think important.

You figure it out.

 
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Hang 10 said:
Higgs said:
By far the most historically notable part of the speech, and the one that could have far reaching implications.  I wasn't happy with these words.  I fear it could embolden another country (Russia) to take action, thinking that the United States won't intervene.
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And that would be different from the last 8 years?
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It would be different because Obama did intervene -- in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan.

Trump is basically saying that he's not going to intervene unless radical Islamic terrorism is involved (and even then we might not intervene until we take care of America first).

 
Higgs said:
By far the most historically notable part of the speech, and the one that could have far reaching implications.  I wasn't happy with these words.  I fear it could embolden another country (Russia) to take action, thinking that the United States won't intervene.
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So we can't intervene and put America first at the same time?

 
And guess who doesn't want the Iran deal touched?

Russia - big money in selling nuclear fuel and nuclear plant construction and support to Iran.

Trump's done a 180 on tearing the pact up in case no one has noticed.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
[scooter] said:
Trump is basically saying that he's not going to intervene unless radical Islamic terrorism is involved
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Wait til Trump's buddies the Russians remind him that Iran is their client state, so Iran driven Shia and Hizbullah radical islamic terrorism is hands off.
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He's created the perfect cover -- when Russian interests are attacked, Trump will fire up the rhetoric and proclaim "We must stop radical Islamic terrorism!" But when Hezbollah attacks western interests, Trump will let it go (proclaiming "America first!").

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
And guess who doesn't want the Iran deal touched?

Russia - big money in selling nuclear fuel and nuclear plant construction and support to Iran.

Trump's done a 180 on tearing the pact up in case no one has noticed.
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And your surprised by this how? Twitler himself doesn't know what he stands for unless he gets direction from his version of the swamp. 

 
skycriesmary said:
And your surprised by this how? Twitler himself doesn't know what he stands for unless he gets direction from his version of the swamp. 
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I'm not surprised, I think some Trump supporters might be if they take two seconds to look into it.

- eta TBH - I think the swamp has nothing to do with this particular issue.

 
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