The Real Official wildcard game 2 *** Steeler Vs Bengals *** (1 Viewer)

[matuski]

Has anyone seen news on how Antonio Brown is doing after that dirty hit?

 

[sho nuff]

Has anyone seen news on how Antonio Brown is doing after that dirty hit?

I know Gio ran off too...but did we ever get official "diagnosis"?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Porter was allowed on the field as coaches often are when there's fear that a player is badly hurt. Now of course, Joey Porter being who he is, he probably had some choice words after such a cheap play. Bengals clearly were jawing back. It sure looked like the refs were going to let it go, but then Pac-Man decided to try to go through a ref to throw a punch at Porter.

If that ref hadn't been there, he likely hits Porter and takes a penalty anyway. The bottom line is that Jones is a moron and let his ghetto side take over. Then, doubled down after the game saying Antonio Brown flopped and "deserves a (ahem) Academy Award for that performance."

This guy is a proven head case. Bengals can get these guys on the cheap, him and Burfict, because other teams pass on having that type of player on the roster. Sometimes it pays off and you get great production for a discounted rate/draft investment. And sometimes, as Chris Rock said about Siegfried and Roy's tiger : "That tiger didn't go crazy, that tiger went TIGER." If you live by the sword, you often die by the sword. That's the risk you take when you employ such people so you can't really complain when the chickens come home to roost.

 

[dschuler]

Porter should have gotten 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Steelers won on a few huge JUDGEMENT CALLS going to them.

For what?ETA: Rapport just tweeted assistant coaches aren't allowed on field for injury timeouts but allowed Porter because Brown could have been seriously hurt.

Cause Porter is the person I would want to see if I ever get hurt. I'm sure he can fix me up real quick.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Has anyone seen news on how Antonio Brown is doing after that dirty hit?

Garry Duracell reported that he's "fine" and will be "good to go next week." We'll see, I'm sure the doctors will have something to say about that.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

at my phone correcting Gerry Dulac to "Garry Duracell."

 

[pghrob]

This game is over jim

If you only knew at the time what was stll yet to come.

 

[trader jake]

Porter was allowed on the field as coaches often are when there's fear that a player is badly hurt. Now of course, Joey Porter being who he is, he probably had some choice words after such a cheap play.

I'd say that's a safe assumption. See link below.

James Farrior comments before the game about Joey Porter

https://twitter.com/eric_edholm/status/684851037451096064

 

[sho nuff]

Porter should have gotten 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Steelers won on a few huge JUDGEMENT CALLS going to them.

For what?ETA: Rapport just tweeted assistant coaches aren't allowed on field for injury timeouts but allowed Porter because Brown could have been seriously hurt.

Cause Porter is the person I would want to see if I ever get hurt. I'm sure he can fix me up real quick.

He was probably sent out there as the "enforcer". They know he may incite another 15.

If he does nothing against the rules...that is on the Bengals for falling for it.

 

[pghrob]

If the Bengals lose this, they may have to fold the franchise.

The drama builds....

 

[Steeler]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Porter was allowed on the field as coaches often are when there's fear that a player is badly hurt. Now of course, Joey Porter being who he is, he probably had some choice words after such a cheap play.

I'd say that's a safe assumption. See link below.

James Farrior comments before the game about Joey Porter

https://twitter.com/eric_edholm/status/684851037451096064

Porter is maybe the most notorious motor mouth in Steelers' history. I'm sure he voiced his displeasure. Bengals were voicing theirs back. No flags until Jones tried to punch him. That's going to get called every time and it possibly cost the Bengals their season.

Unsurprising that Jones, instead of owning it, blamed the refs and the fact that Porter was on the field at all. That's like blaming a carjacking victim for having driven through a bad neighborhood late at night.

 

[dschuler]

Porter should have gotten 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Steelers won on a few huge JUDGEMENT CALLS going to them.

For what?ETA: Rapport just tweeted assistant coaches aren't allowed on field for injury timeouts but allowed Porter because Brown could have been seriously hurt.

Cause Porter is the person I would want to see if I ever get hurt. I'm sure he can fix me up real quick.

He was probably sent out there as the "enforcer". They know he may incite another 15.

If he does nothing against the rules...that is on the Bengals for falling for it.

Am I in the WWE thread or the NFL thread? Amazing this is what football has become.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

As a lifelong Bengals fan I'm much happier these last few years watching them fight fire with fire than I was watching them get bullied and cheap shotted into oblivion for 40 years.

They just need to learn when to use it, and how to turn it off. Can not wait for this game next year.

 

[Politician Spock]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

The officials lost control of the game when the score was 6 to 0 and they made a call that awarded Pitt the ball that resulted from an illegal hit. After that the game was a cluster #### and the league is lucky nobody got killed. The refs losing control doesn't justify anything the players did, but to suggest the officials aren't the story is crazy. The league needs to use this game to either improve the training of the officials so that they don't miss that call, or change the rules so that there aren't loopholes where reviews can award a team a turnover that resulted from a penalty the refs missed. If the league doesn't see anything they need to fix from this game, they're dumb.

 

[sho nuff]

Porter should have gotten 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Steelers won on a few huge JUDGEMENT CALLS going to them.

For what?ETA: Rapport just tweeted assistant coaches aren't allowed on field for injury timeouts but allowed Porter because Brown could have been seriously hurt.

Cause Porter is the person I would want to see if I ever get hurt. I'm sure he can fix me up real quick.

He was probably sent out there as the "enforcer". They know he may incite another 15.

If he does nothing against the rules...that is on the Bengals for falling for it.

Am I in the WWE thread or the NFL thread? Amazing this is what football has become.

There has been gamesmanship like this for years.

 

[knowledge dropper]

As a lifelong Bengals fan I'm much happier these last few years watching them fight fire with fire than I was watching them get bullied and cheap shotted into oblivion

for 40 years.

They just need to learn when to use it, and how to turn it off. Can not wait for this game next year.

Exactly. It was fine when Palmer got injured or Kevin Huber, but now the Bengals got the tough guy and all of a sudden it's out of control? Classic bully syndrome.

 

[Hooper31]

I have loved the NFL since 1983. I even remember the moment when it started. When Curt Warner scored the final TD in an upset playoff victory in Miami I was hooked. I've loved the NFL so much that I've tried to share that love with everyone I know. I even took the time to write articles, do statistical analysis, and work in the fantasy football business.

I agree with what I heard Mootch say on NFL Network. Further, he started to lose his cool while saying it. I understand why he was upset. Jones, Burfict, Munchak, Porter, drunk fans. They embarrassed the league last night. I still haven't heard any of them apologize yet. I hope they all do.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

WTF was Joey Porter doing out in the middle of all the Bengals?

inducing a game winning 15 yard penalty i suppose...

How did he induce Jones to grab the Ref?

looked to me like he grabbed Porter, bumping the Ref as he did. He clearly wasn't going after the Ref

I can't go back and watch it, but almost positive he grabbed the Ref

A buddy and I watched a bunch looking for something. Neither if us could see anything. We figured he pushed the ref and bumped against him face to face with how the announcers were carrying on. I'm sure he pushed Porter but we couldn't tell that either.

I recall the announcers saying a flag was thrown because someone bumped the ref. None of the replays ever showed that happening. I think the announcers just sucked.

Nance loves acting outraged. It's his thing. These guys commentating look for any little thing to get dramatic about.

Thankfully the game wasn't on Fox. Joe Buck is even worse when it comes to the acting outraged thing.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The refs tried to control the game, but both teams were determined to make that impossible. I do not like 30 yards of personal fouls on a game determining drive with no play between the first and the second personal foul, but again, the teams made that very difficult.

Burfict and Jones are both well documented idiots. They played to form, good to great play with their two-cent heads negating their impact. (I can only use two-cent heads knowing how our currency has been devalued, otherwise it would be half pence heads.)

I miss grass fields. Imagine the mud and slop there would have been in that rain. Sure, some, many even, like the better playing conditions, but I miss the mud games of the 60's where the players names and numbers are completely obscured, where the game is survival of the fittest.

I scoff at any suggestion that Brown was acting injured. No one can act his landing after that hit, not in real time, not with months to prepare.

In the end the game was decided by selfishness. Selfishness is the hallmark of today's game. Very few players think of the team first. They think of themselves first. They need to preen and trumpet after even routine plays. They feel if others are preening around them that their manhood, such as they misunderstand the term, has been challenged, and rather than thinking of their team and the situation they respond like ill-mannered children. The refs cannot stop those type of players from playing to type no matter how many flags they throw. When players have been behaving in a certain fashion their whole lives it takes a consistent culture, instituted and ingrained by the head coach, and reinforced every day, every game, every practice by the other guys on the team for those players to learn to control themselves and to put the team first. The Bengals have clearly not done this. The Steelers also suffer that ailment, but to a lesser extent.

I'm glad for my buddy Evilgrin. Enjoy the victory. I hope your guys are back and ready to go next week. I don't know how Brown or Roethlisbureger will be able to make it, but I hope they do.

 

[dschuler]

Porter should have gotten 15 for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Steelers won on a few huge JUDGEMENT CALLS going to them.

For what?ETA: Rapport just tweeted assistant coaches aren't allowed on field for injury timeouts but allowed Porter because Brown could have been seriously hurt.

Cause Porter is the person I would want to see if I ever get hurt. I'm sure he can fix me up real quick.

He was probably sent out there as the "enforcer". They know he may incite another 15.

If he does nothing against the rules...that is on the Bengals for falling for it.

Am I in the WWE thread or the NFL thread? Amazing this is what football has become.

There has been gamesmanship like this for years.

Coaches have been running on the field trying to draw a penalty for years? I guess I don't watch enough football.

 

[Steeler]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

The officials lost control of the game when the score was 6 to 0 and they made a call that awarded Pitt the ball that resulted from an illegal hit. After that the game was a cluster #### and the league is lucky nobody got killed. The refs losing control doesn't justify anything the players did, but to suggest the officials aren't the story is crazy. The league needs to use this game to either improve the training of the officials so that they don't miss that call, or change the rules so that there aren't loopholes where reviews can award a team a turnover that resulted from a penalty the refs missed. If the league doesn't see anything they need to fix from this game, they're dumb.

The NFL can use this game to train the refs better - I have no problem with that. I'm saying the refs didn't cost the Bengals the game - the Bengals imploded. The hit on Gio was in the 3rd quarter for god sakes, how can that be the reason Pac Man lost his cool 45 minutes (or whatever) later? As I said, without the Hill fumble, the Burfict and Pac Man personal foul penalies the Bengals DID overcome that one bad call. But they couldn't stand prosperity or whatever.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm not a fan of folks at games throwing stuff on the field. Even less so of throwing stuff at injured players being carted off. Who do those fans think they are, Vontaze Burfict?

 

[HughHoney]

I have loved the NFL since 1983. I even remember the moment when it started. When Curt Warner scored the final TD in an upset playoff victory in Miami I was hooked. I've loved the NFL so much that I've tried to share that love with everyone I know. I even took the time to write articles, do statistical analysis, and work in the fantasy football business.

I agree with what I heard Mootch say on NFL Network. Further, he started to lose his cool while saying it. I understand why he was upset. Jones, Burfict, Munchak, Porter, drunk fans. They embarrassed the league last night. I still haven't heard any of them apologize yet. I hope they all do.

How did Porter embarrass the league last night? Shouldn't have been on the field, that's it.

 

[Politician Spock]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

The officials lost control of the game when the score was 6 to 0 and they made a call that awarded Pitt the ball that resulted from an illegal hit. After that the game was a cluster #### and the league is lucky nobody got killed. The refs losing control doesn't justify anything the players did, but to suggest the officials aren't the story is crazy. The league needs to use this game to either improve the training of the officials so that they don't miss that call, or change the rules so that there aren't loopholes where reviews can award a team a turnover that resulted from a penalty the refs missed. If the league doesn't see anything they need to fix from this game, they're dumb.

The NFL can use this game to train the refs better - I have no problem with that. I'm saying the refs didn't cost the Bengals the game - the Bengals imploded. The hit on Gio was in the 3rd quarter for god sakes, how can that be the reason Pac Man lost his cool 45 minutes (or whatever) later? As I said, without the Hill fumble, the Burfict and Pac Man personal foul penalies the Bengals DID overcome that one bad call. But they couldn't stand prosperity or whatever.

I'm not a Bengals fan. Nor am I a Steelers fan. I'm an Ohio State Buckeyes fan. I watch the NFL for the same reason I watch NCAA games Ohio State is not playing in. It's good football, so why not watch it. But last night was NOT good football, and it has nothing to do with who cost the Bengals the game. The whole game was embarrassing to the league. The Bengals were embarrassing. The Steelers were embarrassing. The fans were embarrassing. The refs were embarrassing. By the end I didn't care who won. They were all losers.

ETA: the announcers were embarrassing too.

 

[Old Smiley]

The refs tried to control the game, but both teams were determined to make that impossible. I do not like 30 yards of personal fouls on a game determining drive with no play between the first and the second personal foul, but again, the teams made that very difficult.

Burfict and Jones are both well documented idiots. They played to form, good to great play with their two-cent heads negating their impact. (I can only use two-cent heads knowing how our currency has been devalued, otherwise it would be half pence heads.)

I miss grass fields. Imagine the mud and slop there would have been in that rain. Sure, some, many even, like the better playing conditions, but I miss the mud games of the 60's where the players names and numbers are completely obscured, where the game is survival of the fittest.

I scoff at any suggestion that Brown was acting injured. No one can act his landing after that hit, not in real time, not with months to prepare.

In the end the game was decided by selfishness. Selfishness is the hallmark of today's game. Very few players think of the team first. They think of themselves first. They need to preen and trumpet after even routine plays. They feel if others are preening around them that their manhood, such as they misunderstand the term, has been challenged, and rather than thinking of their team and the situation they respond like ill-mannered children. The refs cannot stop those type of players from playing to type no matter how many flags they throw. When players have been behaving in a certain fashion their whole lives it takes a consistent culture, instituted and ingrained by the head coach, and reinforced every day, every game, every practice by the other guys on the team for those players to learn to control themselves and to put the team first. The Bengals have clearly not done this. The Steelers also suffer that ailment, but to a lesser extent.

I'm glad for my buddy Evilgrin. Enjoy the victory. I hope your guys are back and ready to go next week. I don't know how Brown or Roethlisbureger will be able to make it, but I hope they do.

Not really specific to last night, but I think they should be handing out ejections like candy. No fines (or fines are a separate issue) but kick 'em out -- no big deal, just get out of here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Has anyone seen news on how Antonio Brown is doing after that dirty hit?

Garry Duracell reported that he's "fine" and will be "good to go next week." We'll see, I'm sure the doctors will have something to say about that.

I hope he is okay and can play next week. Much more fun to watch games with all of the stars playing.

That hit was bad, though. The way his head and neck moved when he got hit was ugly. Thugs like Burfict should be thrown out of the league for #### like that. That was head-hunting, plain and simple.

 

[pghrob]

15 yard penalty because Antonio Brown took a page out of Wheaton's book and lowered his head into a defender

and then another 15 because the refs may have left Boswell just a little out of range

has to be

it wasn't, but after seeing the hit again, that was an incredibly stupid post on my part. brutal hit and not one that should be a part of the game. as to the 2nd flag, that seemed bad, but I get it given the chaotic situation. bad post(s) on my part.It goes back to the officials missing the penalty on Shazier, but still, that was a bad hit by Burfict

You are a stand-up kind of FBG making a post like that. :thumbs-up:

 

[ShamrockPride]

I have loved the NFL since 1983. I even remember the moment when it started. When Curt Warner scored the final TD in an upset playoff victory in Miami I was hooked. I've loved the NFL so much that I've tried to share that love with everyone I know. I even took the time to write articles, do statistical analysis, and work in the fantasy football business.

I agree with what I heard Mootch say on NFL Network. Further, he started to lose his cool while saying it. I understand why he was upset. Jones, Burfict, Munchak, Porter, drunk fans. They embarrassed the league last night. I still haven't heard any of them apologize yet. I hope they all do.

How did Porter embarrass the league last night? Shouldn't have been on the field, that's it.

At the time he was on, the game was in an injury timeout. Coaches on the field during that time is commonstance. Now, should he have been around 5 Cincy players? That's the outrage people should be having, not him being on the field. Based on his actions, I would say it's very likely he was out there trying to act as the pest, and try to get some free yards. Did his role perfectly. I give him credit for that. If you're Pacman, you gotta be able to control yourself, end of story. The fact he pushed him when all the refs were within 10 feet of him shows an overall lack of awareness.

 

[Steeler]

it has nothing to do with who cost the Bengals the game.

Then we aren't talking about the same thing. I was responding to the comment that all the talk this morning was about the officials and that invariably leads to people blaming them for the outcome of a game. I never do that and was pointing out why the Bengals were in control of the game no matter how bad someone thought the officials were last night.

 

[Blick]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

The officials lost control of the game when the score was 6 to 0 and they made a call that awarded Pitt the ball that resulted from an illegal hit. After that the game was a cluster #### and the league is lucky nobody got killed. The refs losing control doesn't justify anything the players did, but to suggest the officials aren't the story is crazy. The league needs to use this game to either improve the training of the officials so that they don't miss that call, or change the rules so that there aren't loopholes where reviews can award a team a turnover that resulted from a penalty the refs missed. If the league doesn't see anything they need to fix from this game, they're dumb.

Just imagine if they wouldn't have blown they play dead and awarded the TD.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Gotta ask, do the Steelers have another stupid nickname lined up if they win a 7th?

One for the 7 fingered inbred hillbilly steel city kid who's family has never made any further that Johnstown.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Gotta ask, do the Steelers have another stupid nickname lined up if they win a 7th?

One for the 7 fingered inbred hillbilly steel city kid who's family has never made any further that Johnstown.

One-for-the-"Dont Sell you tickets to Steeler fans!"-cries-heard-every-year.

 

[Politician Spock]

it has nothing to do with who cost the Bengals the game.

Then we aren't talking about the same thing. I was responding to the comment that all the talk this morning was about the officials and that invariably leads to people blaming them for the outcome of a game. I never do that and was pointing out why the Bengals were in control of the game no matter how bad someone thought the officials were last night.

This is what you said that I was responding to:

The officials really aren't the story from my POV

Not only are the officials part of the story, they are such a BIG part of the story that the NFL has some work to do to make sure a game like this doesn't happen again and embarrass the league even more.

 

[pghrob]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

I don't really get why they even have the LOS qualifier.

They don't. All it does is create a very small place on the field where it's legal to lead with the crown. It's a box about 8 yards wide and 3 yards beyond the LOS of scrimmage, and it exists because runnings backs would get their heads torn off if they couldn't lower they heads running through there.

Very good explanation to assist people to understand why.

 

[Politician Spock]

I fully admit, I did not see the game. But it's a shame that, once again, I wake up and see a score on what I assume was a great game, and yet all the discussions on the news, on the web, in the paper, are about officiating and disputed calls. It's a shame the guys in striped shirts can't manage to stay out of the news, behind the scenes, the way they should. League has put them in bad positions, and they aren't skilled enough to handle it.

The officials really aren't the story from my POV - but I never blame the officials no matter what. My thought is that "bad officiating" needs to be overcome by teams instead of using that as a reason for losing. Bottom line is that the Bungles had the game wrapped up with Burfict the hero (INT to seal the game) -- even if every call went against the Bungles yesterday to that point, they were STILL in a position to overcome all of them and win the game.

From there the Bungals absolutely imploded. After the Burfict INT, Hill fumbled on the next play and then the Bungles gave up 40 or so yards to Ben who clearly couldn't throw the ball very deep. Then all hell broke lose; Burfict lit up AB which was clearly a penalty in today's NFL (regardless of what anyone thinks of the rule ). Then Pac Man lost his composure and bumped an official - it doesn't matter if Porter was out there or not. PacMan lost control. The Bungles absolutely helped the Steelers win the game with those stupid penalties, not the refs.

The officials lost control of the game when the score was 6 to 0 and they made a call that awarded Pitt the ball that resulted from an illegal hit. After that the game was a cluster #### and the league is lucky nobody got killed. The refs losing control doesn't justify anything the players did, but to suggest the officials aren't the story is crazy. The league needs to use this game to either improve the training of the officials so that they don't miss that call, or change the rules so that there aren't loopholes where reviews can award a team a turnover that resulted from a penalty the refs missed. If the league doesn't see anything they need to fix from this game, they're dumb.

The NFL can use this game to train the refs better - I have no problem with that. I'm saying the refs didn't cost the Bengals the game - the Bengals imploded. The hit on Gio was in the 3rd quarter for god sakes, how can that be the reason Pac Man lost his cool 45 minutes (or whatever) later? As I said, without the Hill fumble, the Burfict and Pac Man personal foul penalies the Bengals DID overcome that one bad call. But they couldn't stand prosperity or whatever.

I'm not a Bengals fan. Nor am I a Steelers fan. I'm an Ohio State Buckeyes fan. I watch the NFL for the same reason I watch NCAA games Ohio State is not playing in. It's good football, so why not watch it. But last night was NOT good football, and it has nothing to do with who cost the Bengals the game. The whole game was embarrassing to the league. The Bengals were embarrassing. The Steelers were embarrassing. The fans were embarrassing. The refs were embarrassing. By the end I didn't care who won. They were all losers.

ETA: the announcers were embarrassing too.

and yet, it sure beat that crap early game

In a Jerry Springer kind of way, yes.

 

[Insein]

The refs tried to control the game, but both teams were determined to make that impossible. I do not like 30 yards of personal fouls on a game determining drive with no play between the first and the second personal foul, but again, the teams made that very difficult.

Burfict and Jones are both well documented idiots. They played to form, good to great play with their two-cent heads negating their impact. (I can only use two-cent heads knowing how our currency has been devalued, otherwise it would be half pence heads.)

I miss grass fields. Imagine the mud and slop there would have been in that rain. Sure, some, many even, like the better playing conditions, but I miss the mud games of the 60's where the players names and numbers are completely obscured, where the game is survival of the fittest.

I scoff at any suggestion that Brown was acting injured. No one can act his landing after that hit, not in real time, not with months to prepare.

In the end the game was decided by selfishness. Selfishness is the hallmark of today's game. Very few players think of the team first. They think of themselves first. They need to preen and trumpet after even routine plays. They feel if others are preening around them that their manhood, such as they misunderstand the term, has been challenged, and rather than thinking of their team and the situation they respond like ill-mannered children. The refs cannot stop those type of players from playing to type no matter how many flags they throw. When players have been behaving in a certain fashion their whole lives it takes a consistent culture, instituted and ingrained by the head coach, and reinforced every day, every game, every practice by the other guys on the team for those players to learn to control themselves and to put the team first. The Bengals have clearly not done this. The Steelers also suffer that ailment, but to a lesser extent.

I'm glad for my buddy Evilgrin. Enjoy the victory. I hope your guys are back and ready to go next week. I don't know how Brown or Roethlisbureger will be able to make it, but I hope they do.

I can't remember the exact point in the game but Pitt had the ball and Burfict and Drcastro got into a fight (not the goal line one). Several players had a pushing and shoving match that took a few minutes to settle. When the dust cleared, the ref announced "There was no foul on the play." I knew right then that it would get wild. That was when the refs should have had offsetting unsportsmanlike conducts as a warning to both teams. No penalties basically said do what you want and were not going to interfere.

 

[fred_1_15301]

The refs tried to control the game, but both teams were determined to make that impossible. I do not like 30 yards of personal fouls on a game determining drive with no play between the first and the second personal foul, but again, the teams made that very difficult.

Burfict and Jones are both well documented idiots. They played to form, good to great play with their two-cent heads negating their impact. (I can only use two-cent heads knowing how our currency has been devalued, otherwise it would be half pence heads.)

I miss grass fields. Imagine the mud and slop there would have been in that rain. Sure, some, many even, like the better playing conditions, but I miss the mud games of the 60's where the players names and numbers are completely obscured, where the game is survival of the fittest.

I scoff at any suggestion that Brown was acting injured. No one can act his landing after that hit, not in real time, not with months to prepare.

In the end the game was decided by selfishness. Selfishness is the hallmark of today's game. Very few players think of the team first. They think of themselves first. They need to preen and trumpet after even routine plays. They feel if others are preening around them that their manhood, such as they misunderstand the term, has been challenged, and rather than thinking of their team and the situation they respond like ill-mannered children. The refs cannot stop those type of players from playing to type no matter how many flags they throw. When players have been behaving in a certain fashion their whole lives it takes a consistent culture, instituted and ingrained by the head coach, and reinforced every day, every game, every practice by the other guys on the team for those players to learn to control themselves and to put the team first. The Bengals have clearly not done this. The Steelers also suffer that ailment, but to a lesser extent.

I'm glad for my buddy Evilgrin. Enjoy the victory. I hope your guys are back and ready to go next week. I don't know how Brown or Roethlisbureger will be able to make it, but I hope they do.

I can't remember the exact point in the game but Pitt had the ball and Burfict and Drcastro got into a fight (not the goal line one). Several players had a pushing and shoving match that took a few minutes to settle. When the dust cleared, the ref announced "There was no foul on the play." I knew right then that it would get wild. That was when the refs should have had offsetting unsportsmanlike conducts as a warning to both teams. No penalties basically said do what you want and were not going to interfere.

I was also surprised there was no penalty called on that play.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Focusing on officiating itself, last night showed again how stupid it is to have all-star crews in the playoffs. Leave crews that have worked together all season together for the playoffs, FFS!! By mixing and matching the best from different crews, you put yourself in a situation where officials from different crews might handle games like this in different manners, and all of a sudden you've got a thrown-together crew unsure of how to properly handle escalating issues in a game because they aren't used to working with another and can't be sure if they are all on the same page. It boggles the mind.

 

[dschuler]

Focusing on officiating itself, last night showed again how stupid it is to have all-star crews in the playoffs. Leave crews that have worked together all season together for the playoffs, FFS!! By mixing and matching the best from different crews, you put yourself in a situation where officials from different crews might handle games like this in different manners, and all of a sudden you've got a thrown-together crew unsure of how to properly handle escalating issues in a game because they aren't used to working with another and can't be sure if they are all on the same page. It boggles the mind.

Good point, but the idea of having any official change the outcome of a game with a personal foul like the one on Jones to end the game is not healthy for the sport.

 

[JShare87]

Steeler fan here. That had to be the craziest 4th quarter I've ever seen in my life. Just wanted to comment on AB. The hit was bad and I'm sure he was hurting a bit, but I do think he milked it a bit to ensure the call. Just my opinion when looking at the replay multiple times. AB is one of the toughest players in the league. I've never seen him hurt, and he's taken some crazy hits throughout his career.

 

[3C's]

at my phone correcting Gerry Dulac to "Garry Duracell."

I thought you did that on purpose.

 

[fatness]

at my phone correcting Gerry Dulac to "Garry Duracell."

I thought you did that on purpose.

 

[pghrob]

Deion Sanders losing his mind with all sorts of foolishness defending Burfict on the NFL Network. That man is letting the limelight fry his brain.

Agreed. I watched him debate LaDainian Tomlinson on the Burfict hit. I thought Prime was going sub-prime. His point though seemed more critical of the rule. LT2 was arguing that the rule was properly enforced. Prime was trying to argue what may have been Burfict's intent. Seemed Prime was missing the point. Relatedly, they interviewed Deebo in the stadium bowels headed for the stadium exit and he said that it is a bad rule but a rule nonetheless of which was enforced on him and others.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Focusing on officiating itself, last night showed again how stupid it is to have all-star crews in the playoffs. Leave crews that have worked together all season together for the playoffs, FFS!! By mixing and matching the best from different crews, you put yourself in a situation where officials from different crews might handle games like this in different manners, and all of a sudden you've got a thrown-together crew unsure of how to properly handle escalating issues in a game because they aren't used to working with another and can't be sure if they are all on the same page. It boggles the mind.

Good point, but the idea of having any official change the outcome of a game with a personal foul like the one on Jones to end the game is not healthy for the sport.

Perhaps not, but that's the fault of Adam Jones, no? No, Joey Porter shouldn't have been on the field and allegedly cursing at them like that, but given the situation, Jones has to be smarter than that and not react. He didn't, he forced the official to throw the flag, and look what happened.

 

[pghrob]

ARTICLE 8. NON-PLAYER PERSONNEL. Non-player personnel of a club (e.g., management personnel, coaches, trainers, equipment men) are prohibited from making unnecessary physical contact with or directing abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures at opponents, game officials, or representatives of the League.

Does anyone think Porter did NOT break this bolded part of this rule prior to Jones getting flagged?

Not a chance. Didn't Porter getting fined multiple times for dirty hits as a player? Now he's on the field jabbering as a coach. What a loser. Yet refs standing there and do nothing.Eta:Maybe Harrison I'm thinking about.

Back in the day, I recall Joey chasing the Ravens team bus pulling away from Heinz Field looking to call out Ray Lewis for a fight. Is that a real and accurate memory?

 

[pghrob]

James Harrison was asked about the Burfict hit : they told me in new York when I had to visit that it's an illegal hit. I don't agree with it but that's what they told me.

Yep. Made me smile too.

 

[Steeler]

Focusing on officiating itself, last night showed again how stupid it is to have all-star crews in the playoffs. Leave crews that have worked together all season together for the playoffs, FFS!! By mixing and matching the best from different crews, you put yourself in a situation where officials from different crews might handle games like this in different manners, and all of a sudden you've got a thrown-together crew unsure of how to properly handle escalating issues in a game because they aren't used to working with another and can't be sure if they are all on the same page. It boggles the mind.

Good point, but the idea of having any official change the outcome of a game with a personal foul like the one on Jones to end the game is not healthy for the sport.

PacMan forced the refs hand and the ref had to throw the flag, put the blame where it belongs.

 

[Godsbrother]

Absolutely one of the craziest endings to a game that I've ever seen. Thoroughly loved it.

 

[cobalt_27]

Well deserving loss for those thugs and the thug fans that threw crap at BR and generally cheered on reprehensible behavior.