toshiba
Footballguy
Yeah, I am not sure I can buy the never...Never is a really long time. Especially in a two party political system.The Republican party will never be a major force again after all of this shakes out.
Yeah, I am not sure I can buy the never...Never is a really long time. Especially in a two party political system.The Republican party will never be a major force again after all of this shakes out.
For some reason I don't think its about private prisons.WTF
https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/07/house-passes-bill-that-would-reclassify
private prisons must need more business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXx0zxTarEBarack Obama:
"What happened to the Republican Party? Its central organizing principle in foreign policy was the fight against Communism, and now they're cozying up to the former head of the KGB."
(via ABC) https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1038106192797736960
What do you think you see in that video? Because I don't see anything implying double standards.
It looks like he is telling Medevev to go and tell Vladimir that after the election he will have more flexibility in cozying up to Vladimir...What do you think you see in that video? Because I don't see anything implying double standards.
Especially, when compared to Trump's actions towards all things Russian.
If you can't differentiate between Obama's approach to Putin/Russia and Trump's approach, there's not much to talk about here.It looks like he is telling Medevev to go and tell Vladimir that after the election he will have more flexibility in cozying up to Vladimir...What do you think you see in that video? Because I don't see anything implying double standards.
Especially, when compared to Trump's actions towards all things Russian.
What, you're telling me that a 5 second sound clip from Obama with zero context isn't proof that he was collaborating with Putin?If you can't differentiate between Obama's approach to Putin/Russia and Trump's approach, there's not much to talk about here.
There’s always:What, you're telling me that a 5 second sound clip from Obama with zero context isn't proof that he was collaborating with Putin?
You can’t be serious. If you think Obama’s Russia policy was weak, that’s one thing. If you’re suggesting he was secretly trying to cozy up to Russia then you have completely jumped the shark.Rove! said:There’s always:
Russian reset
Uranium One deal
flaccid response to the annexing of Crimea
That one, five-second sound clip, is much more evidence than has been produced against President Trump in almost the past two years.What, you're telling me that a 5 second sound clip from Obama with zero context isn't proof that he was collaborating with Putin?
Just stop with this bull####. Its complete BS,and if you are actually honest with yourself you know it too.That one, five-second sound clip, is much more evidence than has been produced against President Trump in almost the past two years.
It's not "my game"....just an added bonus.Just stop with this bull####. Its complete BS,and if you are actually honest with yourself you know it too.
But I guess pissing off liberals is your game. Pathetic.
I think you confuse being in a bad mood and angry with not wanting to let stupid statements, false accusation, bigotry, racism, sexism, ... go unchecked.It's not "my game"....just an added bonus.Just stop with this bull####. Its complete BS,and if you are actually honest with yourself you know it too.
But I guess pissing off liberals is your game. Pathetic.
But then again....pissing off liberals is not very hard to do.
They seem to wake up in a bad mood.
...and he hasn't been awake very long at all!I think you confuse being in a bad mood and angry with no wanting to let stupid statements, false accusation, bigotry, racism, sexism, ... go unchecked.
yup...and it's still early in the day!I think you confuse being in a bad mood and angry with no wanting to let stupid statements, false accusation, bigotry, racism, sexism, ... go unchecked.
...probably fuming about it when you went to bed last night...huh?
never fuming, I don't run off of anger....probably fuming about it when you went to bed last night...huh?
I know it might be hard to understand from someone who runs off of fear and anger to think other people are motivated differently, but some of us are.if you say so...never fuming, I don't run off of anger.
You don't run off in fear and anger....I know it might be hard to understand from someone who runs off of fear and anger to think other people are motivated differently, but some of us are.
See this is where your motivations show, you think that you make all liberals mad and you finally stuck it to us. But in all reality I don't really focus too much on what happened in Nov 2016. We are where we are and the only way to actually make a difference is to use the present and make it better. I am not angry, I am actually in a pretty great mood.You don't run off in fear and anger....I know it might be hard to understand from someone who runs off of fear and anger to think other people are motivated differently, but some of us are.
you just lay your head down and drift off into dreams of Utopia...
Then...you wake up and remember who lost the election and who won it.
You don't win arguments with trolls.Just stop with this bull####. Its complete BS,and if you are actually honest with yourself you know it too.
But I guess pissing off liberals is your game. Pathetic.
Sorry I missed the last few sentences of your edit...You don't run off in fear and anger....
you just lay your head down and drift off into dreams of Utopia...
Then...you wake up and remember who lost the election and who won it.
You gather yourself and run to your keyboard so you can log on with like-minded people....safe in your bubble again.
...and the cycle repeats itself....day...after day....after day...
Oh...I TOTALLY agree with your list.Sorry I missed the last few sentences of your edit...
I like how you act as you know random people online. Is it this type of ignorance and assumptions that lead you to the conclusions about life you make. It must be hard to be so negative all the time and have so much anger.
Here are some pointers for your day,...
- Call someone in your family and tell them you love them.
- Help a stranger during lunch.
- Complement someone you don't know.
- Hug a friend.
- Stop by your local animal shelter with a bag of dog and cat food.
- smile
These simple things, that take very little time, will help remove some of that anger that fuels you. Strip away the anger I bet you are not that bad of a guy.
Trump is obviously horrible and I certainly haven't hidden my feelings about him. But I think part of the anger is also due to the denial of democracy. Trump won the presidency even though 3 million more people preferred another candidate. Yes he won fair and square based on the system in place, but that doesn't make it any less egregious a denial of the clear will of the people.I love how Trumpers love to classify any criticism of Trump as this TDS. Meanwhile they're the only ones who believe this nonsense.
Trump is a horrible person, horrible POTUS who if it weren't for super-heating the economy through ultimately misguided tax cuts would not have a single accomplishment to his name. Other than making the US the laughingstock of the world.
And don't give me any nonsense about appointing SCOTUS judges as some kind of accomplishment. A freaking monkey could do that just as bigly.
There are a lot of things for you to be angry about. Trump provides these moments quite often. But the popular vote isn’t one of them, because it’s 100% irrelevant. It’s like a team that won the super bowl whining that they had the best regular season record.Trump is obviously horrible and I certainly haven't hidden my feelings about him. But I think part of the anger is also due to the denial of democracy. Trump won the presidency even though 3 million more people preferred another candidate. Yes he won fair and square based on the system in place, but that doesn't make it any less egregious a denial of the clear will of the people.
And to make matters worse he is the second straight GOP president to reach the Oval Office after losing the popular vote, although Bush did win the popular vote for his second term (I suspect Gore would have won a second term as well given the events preceding that election).
Compounding that, those two presidents will have nominated 4 of the 9 Supreme Court justices when this Kavanaugh disaster runs its course.
Compounding that, gerrymandering has given the GOP an edge in the House far beyond what they should have if we had proportional representation. That edge may let them control the House after the upcoming midterms even though there's zero chance they'll get more votes.
Compounding that, the Senate is set up in a way that distinctly favors the GOP and the voters who support them and marginalized the residents of the coastal states that lean further left.
Compounding that, many of the people who comprise this disenfranchised "silent majority" are members of minority groups that have been historically ignored and marginalized as well, something that continues today through voter suppression among many other things.
And compounding all of that, the President ignores every one of these things, and generally ignores the majority of people who feel that our democracy is not functioning properly, in favor of antagonizing them and playing to his base.
Anyone would lose their minds in such a situation. Frankly it's amazing we've stayed as sane as we have. Imagine how Republicans/conservatives/Fox News would sound right now if the situation were reversed. Say if we'd elected Sean Penn as President even though he lost the popular vote, and he and Al Gore had swung the court far to the left, and Penn had antagonized the right-leaning majority at every turn, and the House was gerrymandered to protect liberals despite the will of the people, and the Senate gave disproportionate power to California and New York at the expense of the midwest and the south. They'd be apoplectic. We might have a literal civil war on our hands.
Agree with this. Maybe we should re-look at the popular vote vs electoral but when the election was held the popular vote meant nothing.There are a lot of things for you to be angry about. Trump provides these moments quite often. But the popular vote isn’t one of them, because it’s 100% irrelevant. It’s like a team that won the super bowl whining that they had the best regular season record.
Obviously the analogy isn’t perfect, but the point is the same. The rules were clear beforehand. People don’t get to whine about the popular vote, because that’s not what determines who the president is.
It's too bad you think like this. It really does poison your mind. I can't imagine running around with so much hate and contempt for so many people.Oh...I TOTALLY agree with your list.Sorry I missed the last few sentences of your edit...
I like how you act as you know random people online. Is it this type of ignorance and assumptions that lead you to the conclusions about life you make. It must be hard to be so negative all the time and have so much anger.
Here are some pointers for your day,...
- Call someone in your family and tell them you love them.
- Help a stranger during lunch.
- Complement someone you don't know.
- Hug a friend.
- Stop by your local animal shelter with a bag of dog and cat food.
- smile
These simple things, that take very little time, will help remove some of that anger that fuels you. Strip away the anger I bet you are not that bad of a guy.
I am convinced that there are many people out there who follow THIS list...
It's called TDS and many...MANY people are suffering from it.
- Wake up...log on...check for Trump updates
- Listen to MSM while preparing for work
- Tune the car radio to NPR and listen for Trump news while commuiting
- Log on the computer at work...check any Trump updates that may have been missed.
- Log onto a Liberal forum....catch up on others' opinions of Trump
- Make personal opinion points about Trump...based on what's been heard so far.
- Keep Liberal talk-show playing in the background. Do some work, checking in with your Liberal forum from time to tiime
- Go to lunch and share Trump talking points with liberal friends who have followed the same routine so far today.
- Finish work....do everything in reverse
- Do it again tomorrow
They would be a lot happier if they just assumed that SOMEBODY knows something that they don't and look for results.
(PS...flags at half-mast today)
You're missing the point, and this is a bad analogy. This isn't sports. The end game isn't merely to determine winners and losers based on some fairly arbitrary pre-established framework. There's a larger goal with respect to democratic elections, and that is to have a government that represents the will of the people. If it fails to do that, the people have a right to be angry.There are a lot of things for you to be angry about. Trump provides these moments quite often. But the popular vote isn’t one of them, because it’s 100% irrelevant. It’s like a team that won the super bowl whining that they had the best regular season record.
Obviously the analogy isn’t perfect, but the point is the same. The rules were clear beforehand. People don’t get to whine about the popular vote, because that’s not what determines who the president is.
Ever wonder why your boy keeps claiming to have won the popular vote, while his supporters in here have made the same claim repeatedly?There are a lot of things for you to be angry about. Trump provides these moments quite often. But the popular vote isn’t one of them, because it’s 100% irrelevant. It’s like a team that won lost the super bowl whining that they had the best regular season record.
Obviously the analogy isn’t perfect, but the point is the same. The rules were clear beforehand. People don’t get to whine about the popular vote, because that’s not what determines who the president is.
Trump is obviously horrible and I certainly haven't hidden my feelings about him. But I think part of the anger is also due to the denial of democracy. Trump won the presidency even though 3 million more people preferred another candidate. Yes he won fair and square based on the system in place, but that doesn't make it any less egregious a denial of the clear will of the people.
And to make matters worse he is the second straight GOP president to reach the Oval Office after losing the popular vote, although Bush did win the popular vote for his second term (I suspect Gore would have won a second term as well given the events preceding that election).
Compounding that, those two presidents will have nominated 4 of the 9 Supreme Court justices when this Kavanaugh disaster runs its course.
Compounding that, gerrymandering has given the GOP an edge in the House far beyond what they should have if we had proportional representation. That edge may let them control the House after the upcoming midterms even though there's zero chance they'll get more votes.
Compounding that, the Senate is set up in a way that distinctly favors the GOP and the voters who support them and marginalized the residents of the coastal states that lean further left.
Compounding that, many of the people who comprise this disenfranchised "silent majority" are members of minority groups that have been historically ignored and marginalized as well, something that continues today through voter suppression among many other things.
And compounding all of that, the President ignores every one of these things, and generally ignores the majority of people who feel that our democracy is not functioning properly, in favor of antagonizing them and playing to his base.
Anyone would lose their minds in such a situation. Frankly it's amazing we've stayed as sane as we have. Imagine how Republicans/conservatives/Fox News would sound right now if the situation were reversed. Say if we'd elected Sean Penn as President even though he lost the popular vote, and he and Al Gore had swung the court far to the left, and Penn had antagonized the right-leaning majority at every turn, and the House was gerrymandered to protect liberals despite the will of the people, and the Senate gave disproportionate power to California and New York at the expense of the midwest and the south. They'd be apoplectic. We might have a literal civil war on our hands.
Extremely falseThat one, five-second sound clip, is much more evidence than has been produced against President Trump in almost the past two years.
Hey GB, I thought of another counterexample. What if the electoral college had simply disregarded the will of the people and elected Hillary Clinton president? Or Rachel Maddow? Or John Walker Lindh? Totally within the rules in the many states that don't require electors to vote a certain way, which of course were clear beforehand.There are a lot of things for you to be angry about. Trump provides these moments quite often. But the popular vote isn’t one of them, because it’s 100% irrelevant. It’s like a team that won the super bowl whining that they had the best regular season record.
Obviously the analogy isn’t perfect, but the point is the same. The rules were clear beforehand. People don’t get to whine about the popular vote, because that’s not what determines who the president is.
I suspect he's correct though. The same can be said for the dopes on the right. We have people here who admit that they only talk politics IRL with like minded people. There's no question that they only listen to radio that agrees with them, watch TV that agrees with them and look at sites on the internet that agrees with them. What Opie is pointing out is that there is a fringe element. What he doesn't seem to understand is that the fringe exists when you go far enough right just like when you go far enough left. It's not an earth shattering take. It's pretty much "water is wet" sort of statement. His error is in his insinuation around the quantity.It's too bad you think like this. It really does poison your mind. I can't imagine running around with so much hate and contempt for so many people.
Go pet a dog today.
Trump is obviously horrible and I certainly haven't hidden my feelings about him. But I think part of the anger is also due to the denial of democracy. Trump won the presidency even though 3 million more people preferred another candidate. Yes he won fair and square based on the system in place, but that doesn't make it any less egregious a denial of the clear will of the people.
And to make matters worse he is the second straight GOP president to reach the Oval Office after losing the popular vote, although Bush did win the popular vote for his second term (I suspect Gore would have won a second term as well given the events preceding that election).
Denial of Democracy? It's the same as Denial of Communism....we are neither. We are a Representative Republic. This "Democracy" of which you speak is nothing more than "Mob Rule". There is a reason that we are NOT a democracy.
Compounding that, those two presidents will have nominated 4 of the 9 Supreme Court justices when this Kavanaugh disaster runs its course.
Why is everyone so concerned about the SCOTUS? Why is a SCOTUS that follows the US Constitution considered "right leaning"? Those on the SCOTUS have one job....follow the US Constitution and those who do that are the ones I want put on that court.
Compounding that, gerrymandering has given the GOP an edge in the House far beyond what they should have if we had proportional representation. That edge may let them control the House after the upcoming midterms even though there's zero chance they'll get more votes..
Gerrymandering is wrong...that's why BOTH parties do it when they have the opportunity. As far as I'm concerned, we should be divided by by a perfect grid template laid over a map.
Compounding that, the Senate is set up in a way that distinctly favors the GOP and the voters who support them and marginalized the residents of the coastal states that lean further left.
Two representatives per state (no more...no less). Exactly how does that favor one party over the other?
Compounding that, many of the people who comprise this disenfranchised "silent majority" are members of minority groups that have been historically ignored and marginalized as well, something that continues today through voter suppression among many other things.
Voter suppression? The Left is SOOOO concerned about elections being untouched by those not allowed to change the counts...yet, they do not want to verify the identity of everyone who actually can change the counts...the voters themselves.
And compounding all of that, the President ignores every one of these things, and generally ignores the majority of people who feel that our democracy is not functioning properly, in favor of antagonizing them and playing to his base.
The only people who feel that our "democracy" is not functioning properly are those who voted for the losing party.
Anyone would lose their minds in such a situation. Frankly it's amazing we've stayed as sane as we have. Imagine how Republicans/conservatives/Fox News would sound right now if the situation were reversed. Say if we'd elected Sean Penn as President even though he lost the popular vote, and he and Al Gore had swung the court far to the left, and Penn had antagonized the right-leaning majority at every turn, and the House was gerrymandered to protect liberals despite the will of the people, and the Senate gave disproportionate power to California and New York at the expense of the midwest and the south. They'd be apoplectic. We might have a literal civil war on our hands.
...and "anyone" is not losing their minds. They have identified their loss as a "situation" and just cannot let it go....and exactly how do you think we felt when Obama ripped up the US Constitution by introducing his "pen and his phone"? I didn't see too many riots in the streets.....Hollywood didn't seem to care....and the MSM turned a blind eye.
https://spectator.us/2018/09/trump-hath-wrought-november-midterms/Trump gave the American left what decades of incremental Republican ideological warfare couldn’t — a lurid, ludicrous, opera buffa villain. Trump may be bad at being President, but he’s outstanding at ensuring that voters, both today and tomorrow, stay away from the Republican Party in droves.
Republicans have long been accustomed to a high level of media and liberal activist opprobrium in every national election for the past few decades. Mitt Romney faced mockery as an out-of-touch billionaire elitist over his gaffe about ‘binders full of women’ and transporting a dog on the roof of his car. Coverage of John McCain characterised him as too cranky, too curmudgeonly, too old, too sharp-tongued. George W. Bush was referred to as ‘Bu####ler’ by more than a few American leftists. Ronald Reagan was history’s greatest monster in many a Democratic fever dream. As Republicans and conservatives, we were familiar with the usual false accusations that we wanted women back in the kitchen, granny thrown from the cliff, and for minorities to stay in their place.
Donald Trump, however, lives up to every single dumb and politically clichéd stereotype that even the hottest, most vitriolic progressives can dish out
Actually some have spoke out against Trump but haven't officially called it a racist statement.The leader of the GOP publicly tells citizens of other race/ethnicity/religion to "go home" and that they hate America.
And nearly the entire GOP remains quiet.
Yeah, that's why it got the "nearly" qualifier rather than leaving it out. A handful of folks have expressed some level of disappointment.Actually some have spoke out against Trump but haven't officially called it a racist statement.
That is not a death spiral. That is more like shedding it's skin, or perhaps the salamander leaving it's tail behind...The leader of the GOP publicly tells citizens of other race/ethnicity/religion to "go home" and that they hate America.
And nearly the entire GOP remains quiet.
The vast majority of the people denouncing it really have nothing to worry about because they are either retiring or in states with almost no opposition. Easy to buck authority when they aren't your boss in the near future.Yeah, that's why it got the "nearly" qualifier rather than leaving it out. A handful of folks have expressed some level of disappointment.
Anybody else completely ignore Washington Post opinion pieces?