The trades you've made this week...and why? (1 Viewer)

[Avery]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

Help me out for a minute, because I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying here. Are you willing to rephrase?

I will take a shot at it, but just my interpretation.This is all made up for the example. You LOVE Gore and Stallworth and would like to add one or both to your team. You have Willis, Parker, Kjones, Housh, Roy Williams and Plax. The other owner has a stud RB, let's say it is LJ, plus Gore and Stallworth. You offer any five of your players for these three, trying to get LJ cheap and the two you want. The other guy balks, but would "consider" a Willis and Housh for Gore and Stallworth. You are happy as a lark.Another fake example. You love Antonio Bryant in dynasty and have him valued as a top WR. You offer this owner Driver and AJohnson for CJohnson and Moulds. No way is that guy going for it . But, maybe he likes AJ. You say, "aside from CJ, the only guy I would take for AJ is Bryant".

I think I understand the concept but I fail to see it's effectiveness.If someone made an offer for a "stud" player of mine plus other players that were his actual "target", I don't think I'd counter-offer focusing just on the non-stud players who were his initial actual target.For example, In Wannabee's first theoretical example I would say either, "Thanks for the offer but I'm holding onto LJ" or make a counter-offer focusing on LJ as the principle in the trade. Therefore unless he shifted the focus, I wouldn't get to an offer for the actual targets that were not the "stud" players to being with.

 

[wannabee]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

Help me out for a minute, because I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying here. Are you willing to rephrase?

I will take a shot at it, but just my interpretation.This is all made up for the example. You LOVE Gore and Stallworth and would like to add one or both to your team. You have Willis, Parker, Kjones, Housh, Roy Williams and Plax. The other owner has a stud RB, let's say it is LJ, plus Gore and Stallworth. You offer any five of your players for these three, trying to get LJ cheap and the two you want. The other guy balks, but would "consider" a Willis and Housh for Gore and Stallworth. You are happy as a lark.Another fake example. You love Antonio Bryant in dynasty and have him valued as a top WR. You offer this owner Driver and AJohnson for CJohnson and Moulds. No way is that guy going for it . But, maybe he likes AJ. You say, "aside from CJ, the only guy I would take for AJ is Bryant".

I think I understand the concept but I fail to see it's effectiveness.If someone made an offer for a "stud" player of mine plus other players that were his actual "target", I don't think I'd counter-offer focusing just on the non-stud players who were his initial actual target.For example, In Wannabee's first theoretical example I would say either, "Thanks for the offer but I'm holding onto LJ" or make a counter-offer focusing on LJ as the principle in the trade. Therefore unless he shifted the focus, I wouldn't get to an offer for the actual targets that were not the "stud" players to being with.

sorry, maybe someone has a better example

 

[a_f13nd]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

Help me out for a minute, because I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying here. Are you willing to rephrase?

I will take a shot at it, but just my interpretation.This is all made up for the example. You LOVE Gore and Stallworth and would like to add one or both to your team. You have Willis, Parker, Kjones, Housh, Roy Williams and Plax. The other owner has a stud RB, let's say it is LJ, plus Gore and Stallworth. You offer any five of your players for these three, trying to get LJ cheap and the two you want. The other guy balks, but would "consider" a Willis and Housh for Gore and Stallworth. You are happy as a lark.Another fake example. You love Antonio Bryant in dynasty and have him valued as a top WR. You offer this owner Driver and AJohnson for CJohnson and Moulds. No way is that guy going for it . But, maybe he likes AJ. You say, "aside from CJ, the only guy I would take for AJ is Bryant".

I think I understand the concept but I fail to see it's effectiveness.If someone made an offer for a "stud" player of mine plus other players that were his actual "target", I don't think I'd counter-offer focusing just on the non-stud players who were his initial actual target.For example, In Wannabee's first theoretical example I would say either, "Thanks for the offer but I'm holding onto LJ" or make a counter-offer focusing on LJ as the principle in the trade. Therefore unless he shifted the focus, I wouldn't get to an offer for the actual targets that were not the "stud" players to being with.

sorry, maybe someone has a better example

I thought it was a good example. A lot of people are willing to make deals if they think they are pulling one over one someone. Perhaps them giving up a little, in their mind, in Gore and Stallworth, and getting a lot... people you would typically only give away to get someone like LJ, they got the better of you. In reality, or in your mind, you come out the winner.A lot of times people don't look at your team unless you happen to be playing them that week. Offering a trade might give them a chance to size up your roster. So, as crazy as it sounds, offering Chad Johnson for Larry Johnson may not be accepted (and if it is, sweet), but it might help you improve your squad.

 

[turnit643]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

I hear ya, this type of offer has worked often for me. If there is one trading rule everyone should follow, it's NEVER make the first "real" offer. Why tip your hand to show what you are really willing to give. Make a borderline outlandish offer to get things started and to get the other owner to counter and show you how he perceives the value of his players. It's all about the perception. I approached a RB heavy owner last week about one of his better backs for one of my worst WR's. I talked it up to show how I thought it was a reasonable offer. He politely said no (laughing to himself I'm sure), but countered and a few days later (after some tweaking to make it fit in our salary caps), we settled on F.Taylor / R.Caldwell (to me) and TJ. Housh. / M.Bennett (to him). I got the RB I needed and gave up an injured WR with good upside and we're both happy.

 

[SSOG]

I just had a busy trading night in one of my redraft leagues. First, I made a deal to give up Chad Johnson, Ahman Green, and Brett Favre (no penalty for turnovers, so Favre's a solid QB) to get back Warrick Dunn, Santana Moss, Kurt Warner, and Matt Leinart. Then, once terms were agreed to but before I officially offered the trade on the league site, I entered into negotiations with the Norwood owner (before he knew that I had just acquired Dunn and decided to overcharge me for Norwood). I traded Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, and Chris Henry for Lee Evans and Jerious Norwood (this scoring system loves Evans- no PPR, but bonus for 100 yards receiving and another bonus for long TDs). After that trade went through, I made the Dunn/Johnson trade official and let that go through.

My roster before (players to be traded highlighted):

Brett Favre

Daunte Culpepper

John Kitna

LaDanian Tomlinson

Michael Turner

Thomas Jones

Cedric Benson

Ahman Green

Reuben Droughns

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Darrell Jackson

Laveranues Coles

Keenan McCardell

Tim Brown

Drew Carter

Chris Henry

Chris Cooley

Jermaine Wiggins

Josh Brown

Miami's Defense

My roster afterwards (new acquisitions highlighted):

Kurt Warner

Matt Leinart

Daunte Culpepper

John Kitna

LaDanian Tomlinson

Michael Turner

Warrick Dunn

Jerious Norwood

Reuben Droughns

Santana Moss

Randy Moss

Darrell Jackson

Laveranues Coles

Lee Evans

Keenan McCardell

Tim Brown

Drew Carter

Chris Cooley

Jermaine Wiggins

Josh Brown

Miami's Defense

Rather than stand pat, I'm looking to deal some of my ridiculous depth at WR. I'm going to try to possibly package together two of my 5 best WRs (Moss, Moss, Jackson, Coles, Evans) for a top-5 overall WR in return, and if that falls through, I have a Coles for Heap swap that's currently sitting on the table that I'll probably go through with.

I have to say, all in all, I'm really ecstatic with the moves I made tonight. I truly and genuinely believe that I pulled off an absolute coup... and the top-250 forward (which I don't follow religiously, but like to use as a general idea) certainly agrees, claiming that I actually improved SUBSTANTIALLY at ALL THREE positions. I also love the fact that I have two of the three best handcuff situations in the league locked up (Tomlinson/Turner and Dunn/Norwood, the other one being Barber/Jacobs)... so if either of my top-10 RBs go down, I should get a top-15 RB in exchange, meaning Droughns should only get two starts all season.

I am so stoked right now.

 

[Hendo]

i traded Plaxico Burress and Eddie Kennison for Warrick Dunn in my dynasty league i have. now i thought that was kinda alot considering his age however i like my RB stable alot more then i did.

before trade:

Stephen Jackson

Thomas Jones

Tatum Bell

Laurence Maroney

Chris Perry

Tory Holt

Plaxico Burress

Javon Walker

Mushin Muhammad

Eddie Kennison

Troy Williamson

Santonio Holmes

after trade:

Stephen Jackson

Warrick Dunn

Thomas Jones

Tatum Bell

Laurence Maroney

Chris Perry

Tory Holt

Javon Walker

Mushin Muhammad

Troy Williamson

Santonio Holmes

i did this thinking Dunn would make an excellent RB2 having an excellent RB1 allready and using any of Jones/Bell/Maroney as a flex option from week to week. i downgraded a lil on the wideouts but hoping Williamson isnt a fluke.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

Help me out for a minute, because I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying here. Are you willing to rephrase?

Simple. Each player gives up 2 to the other.Top guy on each side is a wash. The real target is the #2 guy.I agree and look for this maneuver. When it pans out in later weeks, look surprised.

Thanks for the explanation. You know how hard it is to communicate via posts rather than real face-to-face language.

 

[blueboys21]

Vick and Chad for Ronnie Brown and Mushim..

didn't like Bush as RB2 to Alexander going forward, Peyton already so Vick was no problem. Acquired Harrison for Bush to partner T.O. Depth a problem (only benson, mushim, drew bennett) so might have to do a few more shakes for upcoming bye weeks...

 

[aristotlewilde]

Traded David Carr and Julous Jones for Favre (and Duce Staley who I promptly drop).

Why?

Because my QB options are slim. I started the season 0-2. I have Edgerrin, Fast Willie and Thomas Jones and only need 2 starters. I need to win in week 3 and Favre gives me a better shot since I am starting Donald Driver and Antonio Bryant.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Traded David Carr and Julous Jones for Favre (and Duce Staley who I promptly drop). Why?Because my QB options are slim. I started the season 0-2. I have Edgerrin, Fast Willie and Thomas Jones and only need 2 starters. I need to win in week 3 and Favre gives me a better shot since I am starting Donald Driver and Antonio Bryant.

 

[thecardiackid]

I love the red herring move. It works every time.

Your real target plus one of their great players in a B.S. trade that is arguably reasonable and involving players you are willing to ditch usually gets them to dangle your target for a player on your squad you are willing to get rid of.

Help me out for a minute, because I am having a hard time comprehending exactly what you're saying here. Are you willing to rephrase?

Simple. Each player gives up 2 to the other.Top guy on each side is a wash. The real target is the #2 guy.

I agree and look for this maneuver.

When it pans out in later weeks, look surprised.

Thanks for the explanation. You know how hard it is to communicate via posts rather than real face-to-face language.

In "marketing 101" this is a classic "bait and switch" ploy - though in a backwardazz kind of way. Underbid the untouchable guy and often (if your original offer was decent) the "seller" will come back @ you WITH the guy you actually wanted to target.Here's my trade of the week in a 14 team re-draft. Taking a flier on S Smith's tender hammys.

Gave: C Dillon, R Moss, Mi Clayton (TB)

and

Got: Willis McGahee, S Smith

Was working the RBBC in NE and looking for a 20+ carry guy @ RB. Benching Moss anyway w/ OAK looking like, well, OAK.

Current roster:

Leftwich / Cpepp

Portis / Willis / Maroney / Jacobs / Duckett / V Morency

C Johnson / S Smith (inj) / Reggie Williams / G Jennings

Shockey

 

[jdoggydogg]

Regarding my Dynasty trade (I give Jamal Lewis for Ben Watson), I am hoping this owner doesn't think I tried to pull a fast one on him. I offered Lewis before Lewis appeared as questionable on the injury report. The trade is complete, but we'll see if the other owner cries foul.

 

[spec1alk]

Traded D Rhodes and Lee Evans for Kevan Barlow and T Glenn.I think Barlow has more upside then Rhodes, and I can't predict when to use Evans to be of any use to me. Plus Glenn has been solid despite TO, and with TO being injured he gets a bump in value and is a potential trade bait for the TO owner.

I think you came out on top with both players.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just got Lamont Jordan for Jerricho Cotchery....don't know if I made out or not, I guess I'll know more when Oakland plays Cleveland.

 

[NattyDread]

In a 12-team dynasty, traded away:

Tom Brady, Chester Taylor, and Randy Moss

for

Clinton Portis and Javon Walker

The Pats look like they're running the ball a lot more and Raiders are a train wreck.

Portis is a stud and looks to be healthy now, and Walker should soon ascend to #1 with Cutler. Losing Moss wasn't too bad, as I already had Harrison, DJax, and Driver ahead of him, plus Hasselbeck at QB.

 

[einstein2u]

traded dallas clark for lee evans.

 

[jimmycrackcorn]

gave up barlow and matt jones to get willie parker and d. mason.

 

[rolliehouliranson]

Traded Portis for T.O. & Deangelo Williams

 

[schlesinj]

10 Team/18 man roster Standard scoring

Traded Gore, Culpepper and Stallworth for Portis, E Manning and Benson (I have T Jones)

A little affraid of Dante and HOPED that Portis is an upgrade over Gore the rest of the season. I was comfortable trading stallworth since I think I have 3 decent options at at my #2 WR.

Current Roster Start QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, Flex TE K Def

QB Manning and Plummer

RB Tiki, Portis, FWP, T Jones, Benson, Norwood, Drew-Jones

WR Fitz, A Johnson, Coles, Bryant, R Williams

TE Shockey, D Clark

K Stover

Def Ravens

 

[The Swarm]

14 team keeper league.

I traded Dominic Rhodes and Bernard Berrian and got Matt Hasselbeck:

My team was:

J Kitna

M Brunell

A Walter

R Brown

K Jones

T Bell

D Rhodes

M Barber

S Smith

D Driver

T Holt

B Berrian

T Heap

J Brown

D Cardinals

D Browns

I plan to drop Walter and possibly Brunell for WRs.

 

[jgb95]

I just traded Terry Glenn

someone made a PS claim on MarquesColston and I wanted to keep him so I had to either drop a WR or trade one.

I have:

Larry Fitz

Santana Moss

Amani Toomer

Marques Colston

Nate Burleson (salary to high to cut!!!)

Matt Jones

I also have DWayne Jarrett on my PS (yes I'm able to draft NCAA players)

I traded Glenn for $750,000 (we use cash for UFA's and RFA's) and a 2008 1st rounder!

 

[Utter Chaos]

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Darrell Jackson

Laveranues Coles

Keenan McCardell

Tim Brown

Drew Carter

Chris Henry

Personally, I think you should dump Tim Brown and try to target somebody like Jerry Rice or Jimmy Smith.

 

[blkgolf23]

I just traded T. Jones, C. Benson and Roy Williams for K.Jones, M. Bell, and A. Toomer. I got tried of that two-headed head ache with the Bears.

 

[theToes]

I just traded Coles and Jordan for TO and T.Jones

 

[rascal]

Didn't make it but just saw:

Peyton, T Bell, D Foster

for

C Simms, S Alexander, Mark Clayton

(TD=6 rushing/receiving, 4 passing), (1pt per 10 rushing/receiving/25 passing), and .33 ppr. Redraft.

Thoughts?

 

[SSOG]

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Darrell Jackson

Laveranues Coles

Keenan McCardell

Tim Brown

Drew Carter

Chris Henry

Personally, I think you should dump Tim Brown and try to target somebody like Jerry Rice or Jimmy Smith.

Hmmmm... good point.Well, Troy Brown is still on waivers. How about I sign him instead?

 

[mojorizin]

Thisclose to trading Tiki/Freddy T for Tomlinson going into his bye week. Would have worked wonderfully as Fred is backup only and Turner was still on the waiver wire with small rosters to take his place if LT went down. Dude hedged for a couple of hours and in that time Turner was picked up. May try again if LT struggles v Bal/Pit.

 

[dawgtrails]

gave up barlow and matt jones to get willie parker and d. mason.

What?So you got the by far better RB, and at worst the equal WR?Yikes...good job

 

[jeter23]

Any other trades being made? I am especially interested in dynasty trades.

 

[Tibereas]

Any other trades being made? I am especially interested in dynasty trades.

Just trade for L.Jordon and gave up Droughns and Crotchy. 10 team redraft... Vick, A.Smith, Kitna. FWP, Gore, T.Jones, Benson, Duece Mac, JORDON. S.Smith, Plax, H.Ward, r.moss, Colston, Brey Edwards.Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 4 WR/te, K, D. Flex every 3rd week for high-point.

 

[veto87]

Made 2 trades this week in a 16 team ,1 keeper, redraft, PPR, 3 trades season limit

first was trading Lavernues Coles and getting Randy Moss

second was trading Ahman Green , Noah Herron and Santanna Moss for Tatum Bell, TJ Duckett and Terrell Owens

I'll leave my last trade for later in the year when I have to get better matchups for Week 14 ( 1st Round of the playoffs. I'm lean this week with Owens , Moss and Gates out but look out !!!

so Now its

QB (start 1) Vick, Pennington

RB (start 2) SJAX, T Bell, Buckhalter, TJ Duckett

1 Flex

WR (start 2) Torry Holt, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Troy Williamson

TE Gates , D Clark

K and Def (Wsh)

In a PPR league ( 1st year for this rule in our league), I think I now have the talent and depth !!

 

[smcindoe]

Traded Favre, Joe Horn and the M. Clayton from the Bucs for Addai and Heap in a keeper where none of those players will be kept.

Bizarre negotiation... I offered Favre and Horn for Addai and Dallas Clark, he countered with Heap instead of Clark. I told him I thought Heap was way better than Clark but he didn't want to move another Colt. So I threw in Clayton to ease my conscience.

 

[Demons]

Any other trades being made? I am especially interested in dynasty trades.

I offered Monday to trade Steve Smith and Ben Watson for Deangelo Williams.The guy turned me down, but countered with Edge for Boldin.This is a dynasty league and my reasoning for making the offer was to upgrade the RB position long-term. Edge doesn't do that, and Boldin isn't for sale that cheap.This illustrates that sometimes the best trades are the ones that you don't make. I offered Steve Smith due to frustration over his injury status.

 

[cstu]

4 player keeper: KJ and DJax for Fitz

I probably wouldn't have been able to keep KJ since I have Bush and DeAngelo and my next best keep WR was Edwards. I figured this was the best time to sell high on DJax and buy low on Fitz. As a fan it was hard to trade KJ, but I'm sick of the Detroit mess.

 

[broncofan13000]

PPR Dynasty League...

Fresh off M.Drew's big game yesterday i gave:

Maurice Drew and my 1st round pick in 2007

for

C.Palmer and his 2nd rounder in 2007 (He's 0-3 and packing it in already)

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I traded Chris Simms for McNair. We can start more than one QB and this solves a bye week conflict for me.

 

[redaddy25]

Just traded Ben Watson for Lee Evans...

Other owner needed a TE bad and with Tony G's bye over I would rather have Evans than have to decide who to start each week. Also have some WR bye trouble in Week 7 so this will help hopefully.

 

[rascal]

Just before the SA news broke the following trade happened:

SA, Brunell, M Clayton

T Bell, D Foster, P Manning

I thought the SA owner got screwed but he is suppose to be a shark. Fortuantely for him as soon as teh deal was agreed to he picked up MoMo. Three hours later the news broke about Alexander's foot.

 

[Master Shake]

sent Fast Willie Parker & Terry Glenn for Steve Smith & Cadilac Williams on sunday before kickoff.

 

[fsufan]

sent Fast Willie Parker & Terry Glenn for Steve Smith & Cadilac Williams on sunday before kickoff.

this trade just went thur in my league. I was not one of the owners.S. Smith for FWP

 

[rascal]

This trade just went though.

Gates and Droughns

for

Portis and Scheffler

Redraft league standard FBG scoring.

I think the Portis owner got raped.

 

[spec1alk]

12 team redraft, no ppr, start 2 RB 3 WR 1 FX

Portis, Rhodes, Driver

for

LT, Stallworth, Tynes

 

[rascal]

12 team redraft league, .33 ppr, standard scoring. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, RB/WR, TE, K, D

I traded Plummer for S Moss (Bulger and Grossman other QB's).

Saw LJ Smith get traded for Joe Horn.

Different league, same starting requirements and league size, but no ppr just traded Keyshawn (my #4 WR) for Reuben Droughns (will be my #4 RB).

 

[Buttmonkey]

Stoked about a trade that just got accepted.

16-team league, a lot of teams thin at RB (I drafted like they were going out of style).

I gave up Fred Taylor, Kevan Barlow and Randy Moss for Thomas Jones and Larry Fitzgerald.

My RBs (start 2): Westbrook, T Jones, Tatum Bell, Benson and Buckhalter

My WRs (start 3): Fitzgerald, Driver and B. Edwards (Bruce as reserve)

I didn't feel Barlow was ever going to start for me, and I think Fred's stock is as high as it's going to be (especially if Drew-Jones is coming on strong - yes, I know he's banged up right now). I didn't like Moss' situation in Oakland and I know he will bust out here and there, but I feel Fitz gives me consistency at the WR position, and T Jones is a decent starting RB who's underperformed so far. If he gets rolling, then my

3-0 team will be strong the whole year. Tatum is still my insurance policy, so I think I just won the league in week 3.

 

[theToes]

I just traded Morris for B. Edwards.

I needed a WR and I think Alexander won't be out that long.

 

[slinky]

Just traded Plax and MoMo for Fitzgerald in my 12 team $$ lg.

pretty happy about this move, as I wanted to shore up my WRs. Before the trade I had TO, Plax, MJones, GJennings. The other owner was the SA owner. He didn't hit the WW fast enough, so I managed to turn that WW move into a nice trade for Fitz. Gotta say I'm happy with this one!

Roster Now:

Vick, Plummer

Rudi, FWP, TJones, TBell

TO, Fitzgerald, MJones, GJennings

Shockey, Colston

 

[tmackin1]

maurice morris, thomas jones, chris simms

for

(i got)

mcnabb, mike anderson, mike turner

did this trade monday night.

 

[Eagles09]

Traded Derrick Masson and J.P. Losman for David Carr and Vernand Morency

 

[rascal]

I just traded Morris for B. Edwards. I needed a WR and I think Alexander won't be out that long.

hopefully you provided some ky jelly with that. Good job.

 

[Bolitar]

I traded Caddy and Kitna for J Lewis and Bledsoe.

I have solid RBs, so Caddy was sitting every week, and I was able to upgrade at Qb while the Bledsoe have a weak schedule for about 6 weeks.

(also didn't hurt that the guy with Bledsoe, who leads my division, told me he was getting Dunn for Bledsoe, but since I had inquired first, he would talk about Caddy instead. Figured I hurt him by not getting Dunn and helped myself).