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The Trent Richardson Thread (4 Viewers)

The fact that they're winning without him says very little about Richardson himself. It does speak the value of RBs in general though IMO -- pretty much the least valuable position on the field right now IMO.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
The fact that they're winning without him says very little about Richardson himself. It does speak the value of RBs in general though IMO -- pretty much the least valuable position on the field right now IMO.
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Right, tell that to Vikings fans last year. Think they make it to the playoffs without Peterson? Let's just be honest, the position is valuable if you have a stud there. If not, of course it isn't as valuable. For the teams without Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and a couple others, the running game can be very valuable.

Richardson hasn't shown a whole lot of real value to the Browns and honestly hasn't shown a lot to the Colts yet, that is why you can make that statement, but to say that RBs are the least valuable position is kind of silly. It is pretty team specific and player specific to decide if it is valuable or not.

 
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stbugs said:
Coeur de Lion said:
The fact that they're winning without him says very little about Richardson himself. It does speak the value of RBs in general though IMO -- pretty much the least valuable position on the field right now IMO.
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Right, tell that to Vikings fans last year. Think they make it to the playoffs without Peterson? Let's just be honest, the position is valuable if you have a stud there. If not, of course it isn't as

valuable. For the teams without Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and a couple others, the running game can be very valuable.

Richardson hasn't shown a whole lot of real value to the Browns and honestly hasn't shown a lot to the Colts yet, that is why you can make that statement, but to say that RBs are the least valuable position is kind of silly. It is pretty team specific and player specific to decide if it is

valuable or not.
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Disagree. Given a strong o line and a bunch of cheap committee guys excelling in specific roles, IMO an NFL team can get great production out of the position.

A true generational talent like Peterson obviously changes the equation, but a player like that is so rare that no one should plan on seeing another one anytime soon.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
stbugs said:
Coeur de Lion said:
The fact that they're winning without him says very little about Richardson himself. It does speak the value of RBs in general though IMO -- pretty much the least valuable position on the field right now IMO.
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Right, tell that to Vikings fans last year. Think they make it to the playoffs without Peterson? Let's just be honest, the position is valuable if you have a stud there. If not, of course it isn't as

valuable. For the teams without Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and a couple others, the running game can be very valuable.

Richardson hasn't shown a whole lot of real value to the Browns and honestly hasn't shown a lot to the Colts yet, that is why you can make that statement, but to say that RBs are the least valuable position is kind of silly. It is pretty team specific and player specific to decide if it is

valuable or not.
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Disagree. Given a strong o line and a bunch of cheap committee guys excelling in specific roles, IMO an NFL team can get great production out of the position.

A true generational talent like Peterson obviously changes the equation, but a player like that is so rare that no one should plan on seeing another one anytime soon.
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Can't you say the same about any position?

Green Bay, Denver, New England, and New Orleans are never going to fail to get good production out of their WRs. Throw an undrafted rookie free agent in there with Tom Brady? You get a guy who's on pace for 1000+/12+. Throw together a rookie 7th rounder with a bunch of journeyman and give them Drew Brees? You've got the league's best passing game in 2006.

Give a few mediocre CBs a fierce pass rush and what do you get? A shut down secondary.

Give Marc Bulger a bunch of stud WRs and what do you get? A "pro bowl" QB.

 
To some extent, yep. If I were building a team, on offense I'd invest hugely in finding a franchise QB and building my offensive line. IMO the skill positions are pretty much the last piece of the puzzle. Brady and Brees have been making a bunch of good players look great for years. Although IMO both Graham and Gronk are legitimate beasts.

 
instead of calling a running play, Indy could just have Luck take a knee to avoid the chance at a fumble. The next play would start pretty close to where it would have if they had run Trent anyway

 
How about now? You guys are sad critiquing every rush. The Colts are 4-1 and have beaten great teams. His NFL value is worth a lot.

If you drafted him :ptts:

Otherwise, give it a rest.

 
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.

 
pizzatyme said:
How about now? You guys are sad critiquing every rush. The Colts are 4-1 and have beaten great teams. His NFL value is worth a lot.

If you drafted him :ptts:

Otherwise, give it a rest.
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The colts would be 4-1 if they gave Willis Mcgahee a call and saved themselves a draft pick.

 
pizzatyme said:
How about now? You guys are sad critiquing every rush. The Colts are 4-1 and have beaten great teams. His NFL value is worth a lot.

If you drafted him :ptts:

Otherwise, give it a rest.
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Come on now. He's sucked so far. Exactly what is he giving the Colts this year that Vick Ballard didn't provide last year?

 
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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He's running like a 190lb #####. He gets the handoff, and either tries some ridiculous little jump cut or side step instead of exploding like a 230lb tank. Guy needs to watch tape of his counterpart from today Lynch....follow his game.

 
Back and forth between the Colts/Packers game and you could tell the difference between Richardson and Lacy and the contact that took and gave out.

 
RBM said:
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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He's running like a 190lb #####. He gets the handoff, and either tries some ridiculous little jump cut or side step instead of exploding like a 230lb tank. Guy needs to watch tape of his counterpart from today Lynch....follow his game.
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Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

 
Raider Nation said:
jurb26 said:
Both teams 2-0 post trade. Win win it appears.
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Not really. Without the trade, the Colts would still be 2-0 and they'd have a 1st-rounder next season.
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With just Donald Brown today I think he does something bone-headed that make them lose the game.

 
cstu said:
Raider Nation said:
jurb26 said:
Both teams 2-0 post trade. Win win it appears.
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Not really. Without the trade, the Colts would still be 2-0 and they'd have a 1st-rounder next season.
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With just Donald Brown today I think he does something bone-headed that make them lose the game.
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Why would there ever be a scenario where a team has "just Donald Brown?" They wouldn't have replaced Bradshaw with another RB?

 
Raider Nation said:
cstu said:
Raider Nation said:
jurb26 said:
Both teams 2-0 post trade. Win win it appears.
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Not really. Without the trade, the Colts would still be 2-0 and they'd have a 1st-rounder next season.
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With just Donald Brown today I think he does something bone-headed that make them lose the game.
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Why would there ever be a scenario where a team has "just Donald Brown?" They wouldn't have replaced Bradshaw with another RB?
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With who?

 
cstu said:
Raider Nation said:
cstu said:
Raider Nation said:
jurb26 said:
Both teams 2-0 post trade. Win win it appears.
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Not really. Without the trade, the Colts would still be 2-0 and they'd have a 1st-rounder next season.
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With just Donald Brown today I think he does something bone-headed that make them lose the game.
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Why would there ever be a scenario where a team has "just Donald Brown?" They wouldn't have replaced Bradshaw with another RB?
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With who?
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No idea, specifically. But there would never be a game plan which included giving Donald Brown every carry.

 
No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

 
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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Burst and vision. He's can't break runs at this level. Or hasn't shown that he can, at least.

I am honestly pretty shocked. I thought he was bust proof. His career is far from over and he could turn it around. But he's clearly not bust proof.

 
Concept Coop said:
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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Burst and vision. He's can't break runs at this level. Or hasn't shown that he can, at least.

I am honestly pretty shocked. I thought he was bust proof. His career is far from over and he could turn it around. But he's clearly not bust proof.
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I'd add patience to the list as well. In college the holes were always there for him and he never had to develop any patience. Now, you see him just put his head down once he gets the ball and run at where he thinks the hole should be, instead of waiting for a hole to open.

 
gcoast3 said:
No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.
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Rice had also had 2 TD's. McCoy had 1. Rice and McCoy both had receiving yards and 6 receptions each.

When was P Thomas ever expected to do anything? He outperformed today.

CJ also had 4 receptions for 60 yards and a TD.

Miller and MJD were never really expected to do much of anything this year and were drafted accordingly. Bush underperformed but still had 4 receptions

TRich had zero receptions. Just a garbage game by him.

 
njherdfan said:
Concept Coop said:
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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Burst and vision. He's can't break runs at this level. Or hasn't shown that he can, at least.

I am honestly pretty shocked. I thought he was bust proof. His career is far from over and he could turn it around. But he's clearly not bust proof.
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I'd add patience to the list as well. In college the holes were always there for him and he never had to develop any patience. Now, you see him just put his head down once he gets the ball and run at where he thinks the hole should be, instead of waiting for a hole to open.
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I think the most surprising thing that he doesn't break tackles. He was such a bull to bring down at Bama.

 
I am beginning to see a pattern with Bama RBs. Dare I say a lot of their success is due to the big uglies upfront being so much better than other college teams? Neither Ingram or TRich gas had the same success at the NFL level.

 
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Hang 10 said:
njherdfan said:
Concept Coop said:
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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Burst and vision. He's can't break runs at this level. Or hasn't shown that he can, at least.

I am honestly pretty shocked. I thought he was bust proof. His career is far from over and he could turn it around. But he's clearly not bust proof.
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I'd add patience to the list as well. In college the holes were always there for him and he never had to develop any patience. Now, you see him just put his head down once he gets the ball and run at where he thinks the hole should be, instead of waiting for a hole to open.
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I think the most surprising thing that he doesn't break tackles. He was such a bull to bring down at Bama.
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He breaks plenty of tackles

 
RBM said:
Hang 10 said:
njherdfan said:
Concept Coop said:
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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Burst and vision. He's can't break runs at this level. Or hasn't shown that he can, at least.

I am honestly pretty shocked. I thought he was bust proof. His career is far from over and he could turn it around. But he's clearly not bust proof.
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I'd add patience to the list as well. In college the holes were always there for him and he never had to develop any patience. Now, you see him just put his head down once he gets the ball and run at where he thinks the hole should be, instead of waiting for a hole to open.
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I think the most surprising thing that he doesn't break tackles. He was such a bull to bring down at Bama.
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He breaks plenty of tackles
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He never gets going again...even after fighting off a couple. Vision and cutting issues imo.

 
yea, but don't forget, he's a "bowling ball of butcher knives"

18 for 56 (3.1 ypc) and that's w/ a 16 yarder.

glad we got a 1st rounder for him, but unless IND starts losing some games, the pick might be 25+ at this rate. i really thought SEA would win that game.

 
Alluro said:
Having not watched him play much in the NFL, what trait is he lacking at the NFL level? On tape at Bama, this guy was a sure fire stud. Most considered him the surest thing since adrien peterson.
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He has zero explosion. He breaks tackles but doesn't get very far. His career long is 32 yards... had his longest run of the season today (16).

 
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