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Tiger Woods (7 Viewers)

Didn't he say he was 100% healthy in his super long post round interview last week.

His game must of been in that tooth.

 
tommyboy said:
for the first time ever, I now think he's toast.

pretty sad, the guy was unbelievable, him and Jack were the best ever
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I've been pretty rough on him, but I agree it is sad to watch. Putting the mental part aside for a second (though obviously that's a huge part of it), it looks like his body is breaking down too. And if he overtrained, it makes sense -- late 30's is when all the elite athletes go into sharp decline. Before Tiger it would be a joke to call a golfer an elite athlete, but that's what he was. Two other elite athletes around his age: Peyton Manning and Alex Rodriguez. I think that's the context we have to start considering, if a golfer is going to train at that level. The human body has limits, period.
 
McGarnicle said:
tommyboy said:
for the first time ever, I now think he's toast.

pretty sad, the guy was unbelievable, him and Jack were the best ever
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I've been pretty rough on him, but I agree it is sad to watch. Putting the mental part aside for a second (though obviously that's a huge part of it), it looks like his body is breaking down too. And if he overtrained, it makes sense -- late 30's is when all the elite athletes go into sharp decline. Before Tiger it would be a joke to call a golfer an elite athlete, but that's what he was. Two other elite athletes around his age: Peyton Manning and Alex Rodriguez. I think that's the context we have to start considering, if a golfer is going to train at that level. The human body has limits, period.
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golf is different though. I'm better at age 47 than I was at 37 or 27, and i hit the ball farther and straighter now too. Technology has come a long ways. I swing 112-114MPH and consistently get it out 300+. I'm about the same size and build as Tiger is right now. The balls we use don't generate as much sidespin as they used to, so its actually harder to slice or hook the ball severly now, even if youre trying to do it on purpose. Putters are better, greens are better, course conditions are better.

in golf, you can seriously compete into your early 50's. Kenny Perry almost won the masters at age 47. Tom Watson almost won the British Open at 59? Angel Cabrera won and he claims he was born in 1969 but looks likes he's 54 already.

the problem with Tiger isn't physical. Its 100% mental, ie David Duval.

that's why its sad.

 
Wtf happened to this guy? Was he on steroids during his period of dominance? Did the have testing back then? It's really glaring how he played at such a high level above everyone else and then suddenly crashed.

 
tommyboy said:
for the first time ever, I now think he's toast.

pretty sad, the guy was unbelievable, him and Jack were the best ever
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Was there ever a guy in any sport who was arguably the best ever at one point who just totally lost it like this? Other than age?

 
Capella said:
tommyboy said:
for the first time ever, I now think he's toast.

pretty sad, the guy was unbelievable, him and Jack were the best ever
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Was there ever a guy in any sport who was arguably the best ever at one point who just totally lost it like this? Other than age?
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Rick ankiel and knoblach weren't the absolute best, but they fall off the map at their initial positions due to a mental block on throwing. Vanderjagt call is a good one. I'd toss out Eddie George too but I think his was purely physical. Dante culpepper and Kordell Stewart both took sharp nosedives.

Trying to think of anyone in tennis fell off. None come to mind. Roy Hibbert had that weird streak where he was terrible and that looked mental.

Duval really is maybe the best example though. He was world number one and legitimately challenged tiger for a period.

 
JetMaxx said:
Mario Kart said:
Where do I find odds for him to beat Jack's majors count? I'd throw $500+ down on that one. Easy money there.
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I hope your betting the under or else your absence was preferable.
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Why make a bet that would take like 30 years to pay out if he hit the under, and who the hell knows how long if he was to actually hit the over.

While I once thought he would break the majors record, it doesn't look like he will ever be healthy enough to do it. He still could, but looks like a heck of a longshot now.

Still IMO, best golfer ever. I don't need to see him it the Majors record to think that.

Just a matter of what you think makes someone the best, more dominant for a shorter period of time, or less dominant for a longer period of time.

 
If I had to choose someone to break Jack's record I would put my money on Rory over Tiger. Interestingly enough, Tiger's game fell apart when leaving a woman while Rory's took off after doing the same.

 
Zow said:
Capella said:
tommyboy said:
for the first time ever, I now think he's toast.

pretty sad, the guy was unbelievable, him and Jack were the best ever
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Was there ever a guy in any sport who was arguably the best ever at one point who just totally lost it like this? Other than age?
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Rick ankiel and knoblach weren't the absolute best, but they fall off the map at their initial positions due to a mental block on throwing. Vanderjagt call is a good one. I'd toss out Eddie George too but I think his was purely physical. Dante culpepper and Kordell Stewart both took sharp nosedives.

Trying to think of anyone in tennis fell off. None come to mind. Roy Hibbert had that weird streak where he was terrible and that looked mental.

Duval really is maybe the best example though. He was world number one and legitimately challenged tiger for a period.
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Arod?

 
Weirdly though, doesnt Tiger have a bunch of wins and a few top 10 finishes in majors in the last 2-3 years?

He seems so far removed from that

 
Roy Halladay's decline was pretty sudden too.

Cy Young in 2010

2nd place in 2011

ERA almost doubles in 2012

2013 is done

 
Has another top pro ever had this run of injuries? Fred Couples has long history of back issues right? There has to be others.

Don't follow the sport super closely. Every one says his swing is "violent" but don't others swing hard too? Mickelson is out there with his D cups and seems good to go every couple of weeks.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Weirdly though, doesnt Tiger have a bunch of wins and a few top 10 finishes in majors in the last 2-3 years?

He seems so far removed from that
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Yes. He won the most tournaments in 2013. 5 of 16 entered. With 3 others being top 10. Named player of the year. His struggles now are so shocking because he hasn't been bad when healthy over the last 4 years. He's actually been the best on tour when healthy. Even when he's not at his best.

This current stretch is weird.

 
The General said:
Has another top pro ever had this run of injuries? Fred Couples has long history of back issues right? There has to be others.

Don't follow the sport super closely. Every one says his swing is "violent" but don't others swing hard too? Mickelson is out there with his D cups and seems good to go every couple of weeks.
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Speed and violence are 2 different things.
 
Baloney Sandwich said:
If I had to choose someone to break Jack's record I would put my money on Rory over Tiger. Interestingly enough, Tiger's game fell apart when leaving a woman while Rory's took off after doing the same.
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A little different scenario there. Rory was casually dating and Tiger was married.

 
Is WD some code term for quitter? Seriously, this is not a sport if you can quit because things aren't going your way. It is a glorified hobby.

 
mr roboto said:
ghostguy123 said:
Weirdly though, doesnt Tiger have a bunch of wins and a few top 10 finishes in majors in the last 2-3 years?

He seems so far removed from that
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Yes. He won the most tournaments in 2013. 5 of 16 entered. With 3 others being top 10. Named player of the year.His struggles now are so shocking because he hasn't been bad when healthy over the last 4 years. He's actually been the best on tour when healthy. Even when he's not at his best.

This current stretch is weird.
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Huh? 2013 was the exception. He's been on a downward trajectory since 2010.

2010 0 wins, 2 Top 10's, missed cut at Quail Hollow and a WD at Players. Jim Furyk is Player of Year

2011 0 wins, 2 Top 10's.MC at PGA Champ, WD at Players. Luke Donald is Player of year

2012 3 wins, Nice 9 Top 10's,MC at Greenbrier, Wells Fargo, WD at WGC Cadillac. Rory is Player of teh Year

2013 5 wins, 8 Top 10's, no MC or WD, Tiger Woods is Player of the Year

2014 0 wins, 0 Top 10's, 2 MC and 2 WD. Rory is Player of the Year.

 
Tom Servo said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Is WD some code term for quitter? Seriously, this is not a sport if you can quit because things aren't going your way. It is a

glorified hobby.
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:yes: He doesn't want to finish at the bottom or miss the cut, so he takes his tiger club cover and goes home.
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Meh, he actually wasn't scoring that terribly yesterday and his back legitimately seemed to be jacked up. Horschel was picking up his tees and the ball from the hole for him. That doesn't happen unless he's legitimately hurt.
 
Zow said:
Tom Servo said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Is WD some code term for quitter? Seriously, this is not a sport if you can quit because things aren't going your way. It is a

glorified hobby.
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:yes: He doesn't want to finish at the bottom or miss the cut, so he takes his tiger club cover and goes home.
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Meh, he actually wasn't scoring that terribly yesterday and his back legitimately seemed to be jacked up. Horschel was picking up his tees and the ball from the hole for him. That doesn't happen unless he's legitimately hurt.
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He also played far worse last week and said he felt great afterwards. But there's no room for common sense here.

 
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Zow said:
Tom Servo said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Is WD some code term for quitter? Seriously, this is not a sport if you can quit because things aren't going your way. It is a

glorified hobby.
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:yes: He doesn't want to finish at the bottom or miss the cut, so he takes his tiger club cover and goes home.
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Meh, he actually wasn't scoring that terribly yesterday and his back legitimately seemed to be jacked up. Horschel was picking up his tees and the ball from the hole for him. That doesn't happen unless he's legitimately hurt.
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I didn't catch that on TV, but classy move on Horschel's part. Sergio probably would have kicked his tee right when he bent over to pick it up :P

 
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Looking forward to springtime. Can't wait to try my new golf swing while I activate my glutes. I may have finally figured this game out.

 
Zow said:
Tom Servo said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Is WD some code term for quitter? Seriously, this is not a sport if you can quit because things aren't going your way. It is a

glorified hobby.
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:yes: He doesn't want to finish at the bottom or miss the cut, so he takes his tiger club cover and goes home.
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Meh, he actually wasn't scoring that terribly yesterday and his back legitimately seemed to be jacked up. Horschel was picking up his tees and the ball from the hole for him. That doesn't happen unless he's legitimately hurt.
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And his girlfriend is running maybe the most important race of her life in CO today.

WRT his short game, he's obviously targeting specific mechanics and is being stubborn about it. If his life depended on him getting to the clubhouse in the fewest strokes possible, his short game would not look like it has.

 
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