If you apply logic to the the term toxic masculinity, or too masculine, that implies that one could be too feminine. Are there negative feminine qualities? Do we dare in this age of “equality”, speak of such things? Does a man fear celibacy so much that we will accept yet another double standard? Why are not people condemning this one sided concept for the rubbish it is? Please respond as to why and how you think we have gotten to this place in male\female relationships. Oh and Happy Valentines Day!
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
When my wife saw the Gillette ad, she was shocked. She immediately said "Now imagine you showed a woman playing head games or being #####y or catty and tagged it with something like "Women, we have to do better." She concluded that Gillette would be shuttered within a week.
rockaction
Footballguy
Toxic femininity won't catch on, but there are certain elements of the hyper-feminine that are doing society no good. I'm not sure I really want to come up with examples for fear of seeming like a whiner, but there seems to be a sort of social matriarchy going on these days, as Despyzer pointed out. I remember when Lorena Bobbitt graced the cover of Vanity Fair in a sort of sexy pool shoot.
That was when, even in high school, I knew that society might have jumped the shark with identity politics and victim culture.
Also, in before somebody makes a snarky comment about how hard white men have it. It's not mutually exclusive to have economic and political benefits but be lagging in one indicator.
That was when, even in high school, I knew that society might have jumped the shark with identity politics and victim culture.
Also, in before somebody makes a snarky comment about how hard white men have it. It's not mutually exclusive to have economic and political benefits but be lagging in one indicator.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
those interested in truth, freedom & justice will one day have to address sexual fraud alongside sexual tyranny to have a complete understanding between the sexes, but now is not the time and this is not the banner
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Yes.
We should be able to. I can speak freely with my wife about such issues.
Yes.
Because men fear celibacy too much and women will not throw their collective identity under the bus in an "argument of the sexes".
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
This reminds me of white people that complain about there being a Black History Month but not a White History Month.
northern exposure
Footballguy
Yeah. Why is there a Martin Luther King day, but not a Billie Jean King day?
Do not get me started on the lack of respect shown to Stephen and Larry!
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
It really seems like you are trying to make a point that revolves around the fact that genetic averages demonstrate that males are typically physically stronger than females. Is that sincerely the hook you want to hang your hat on?
More like we do have guys opening doors for their women. Men changing that flat. He leads the dance as she follows that lead. The door bell rings at 11pm, he is the one who answers the door.
Daughter is all nervous about the dance, this is time for mom to step in and ease the nervousness.
The family meets up on Thanksgiving, it will be granny at the head of the table saying grace.
When Alabama lines up to kickoff another football season it will be a male head coach leading the troops.
It's never going to be...male/female....so what?
Chaka
Footballguy
Are you sincerely trying to make a point? You have propogated a posting style that is very vague in general.
I honestly like you but most around here think you are a troll, more measured than most but a troll nonetheless and I definitely understand where they are coming from.
I am asking you sincerely to try and make your point clearly without the run-ons and stream of consciousness style that typically marks your posts.
I'm serious here, guy. You seemingly dodged my last post in the grocery store clerk thread (or just missed it) but I'd really like to read coherent, well defined post explaining your position on this topic...or a response in that it her thread.
ETA: actually your style is more fragment than run-on but I think you get my point.
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I have noticed there is a....if you don't see it my way, you must be a troll.. which is comical.
I simply never confuse the role a man plays and the one a woman plays. Nothing any deeper than that.
skol asylum
Footballguy
AKA, vaginal hubris.
I miss The League.
#Shiva
I miss The League.
#Shiva
Chaka
Footballguy
Fair enough. But it also seems that you confuse a fragmented, stream of consciousness writing style with a coherent fully formed point. Perhaps changing that would generate less skepticism of the positions you take.
Playing the persecuted message board victim rarely gains traction regardless of which perspective you feel the persecution is coming from.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
No. He's saying that in most instances, no one knows what the #### you are saying. And he's right. He was kind enough to try and explain that rather than just saying "What?" And just to be clear, I was pretty sure I understood your initial point and was going to point out as much to Chaka. But admittedly even I wasn't entirely sure.
Thanks for the response. Yes, my post was an alcohol enhanced rant that got a little off track and whiney, I will give you that. You must never feel emasculated by the women in your life, or you’re ok with it?
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
People have to learn how to stop taking life personally. We'll be improvising - which, as i've said, is only for fools & geniuses - at life til we do.
One small example would be when a woman tells you to man up or quite being a baby.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
men actually say this to other men fairly often. Is that considered emasculating?
As a side question, is there a feminine version of the word emasculate?
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
I’m not really sure that encouraging a man to be “more manly” is emasculating. It may even be the opposite.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Yeah, I’m getting the sense this topic bothers me more than most. It may be a non issue all together. But, imagine being able to sit on the fence dividing the way things were women, and the way things are now. Then being able to hop from one side to the other when it presents an advantage. Can you have your cake and eat it too? That’s hard to get along with.
Yes I think the behavior is one and the same regardless of sex. Not cool. Another hypothetical. A man tells a woman to “ be a woman”’and stop acting so masculine.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
That would actually probably be an example of toxic masculinity in practice in our culture.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
“Toxic Femininity” would more likely be the “damsel syndrome” or learned helplessness that women are encouraged to display and the ability to take advantage of male stereotypes.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Meghan Daum wrote a decent essay on this subject on Medium.
https://medium.com/s/powertrip/metoo-will-not-survive-unless-we-recognize-toxic-femininity-6e82704ee616
https://medium.com/s/powertrip/metoo-will-not-survive-unless-we-recognize-toxic-femininity-6e82704ee616
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Work on yourself, dood. There's enough in that for each and every one of us not to have to pay a moment's attention to anything outside their ken. And, once one does, it's such a great & consuming pleasure that even a luckyily peripatetic type such as i doesn't feel he has to worry about much anything else. As a dead white guy once said, "Self-reform does more to change the world than any crowd of noisy patriots".
ChainsawU
Footballguy
make yourself better and delete your facebook account. you guys wouldn't even be talking about this unless you hadn't already been spoon fed the toxic masculinity crap already. ate it up, too. this is a figment of someone's imagination and you're wasting time worrying about it. a man doesn't worry about this
Henry Ford
Footballguy
In other words Man up. Add that to the itemized list of deficiencies our gender must work on.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Not necessarily. There are as many definitions of man and woman as there are hormones in your underpants. I'm suggesting that finding yours is a great deal more useful and enjoyable to yourself, your loved ones & society than troubling the business of strangers
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Sorry to trouble you. I appreciate all responses and opinions. I’m interested in how men view this. And thanks to Henry, how one reasonable feminist sees it.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
just did. pandering. there's a big market for that. several years ago i tried blogging in the attempt to make a late-life writing career for myself. because i expressed some original opinions on gender politics (including about the "sexual fraud" issues i mentioned in my first post in this thread), i was set upon by a series of "Men's Health" imitators who were looking to make dough with both "poor white man' and "poor man" content & formats. victim culture, nothing more. there is a real issue here, but anyone who believes now is the time to address that hasn't given the subject enough quality thought.
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