Trouble getting pregnant? (1 Viewer)

[Tiger Fan]

Wifey had the uterus / fallopian tube dye test yesterday. Everything looks clear. Most notable thing was my wife's behavior after taking a Valium.

I still have the video of me asking Mrs. TF all sorts of questions when she was all drugged up. Pretty funny stuff.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.

Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

 

[El Floppo]

Sorry to hear, TB.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

That sucks, sorry to hear it. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do next.

 

[The Commish]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

Sorry to hear GB. My wife and I start our journey this friday with a trial transfer. She's been on BC pills the last four weeks and will continue on them until the end of March. We are excited and apprehensive all at the same time. For me, it's easier knowing we already have one little guy, but that's little consolation to my wife right now....hard to juggle that.

 

[3 out of 5]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots.

The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.

Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

Sounds familiar.

We tried IVF twice 10 years ago and failed. We're starting our third and final attempt on Saturday. I'm not optimistic and, frankly, neither is our doctor.

Regardless of outcome, we've adopted three amazing kids in between and I'll be perfectly happy knowing we at least went down swinging.

 

[TobiasFunke]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

 

[The Commish]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

This is good to know...I hate needles. I remember trying to climb into a refrigerator at my DR office when I was 3-4 trying to get away from the nurse giving me my shots

 

[Worm]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

Yep, no biggie. Just do as the instructions say and you'll do fine. Same thing with my wife, most of the time she didn't even notice.

 

[3 out of 5]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

No, the trigger shot is with the same 30 gauge, half inch needle that the Lupron and stimulation drugs use. Those are small, in the back of the arm, and are easy. I've already given one a day for the last two weeks, and will be giving two-a-day for the next week or so. No problem there. The one I am worried about uses a 22 gauge (thicker) one-inch needle that will go in near where the butt and back meet. Those are progesterone shots, which are apparently oil-based and so harder to push through the needle. I think we will be doing progesterone shots for weeks, even after the transfer.Uugh. Just thinking about it gets my heart rate going.

 

[TobiasFunke]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

No, the trigger shot is with the same 30 gauge, half inch needle that the Lupron and stimulation drugs use. Those are small, in the back of the arm, and are easy. I've already given one a day for the last two weeks, and will be giving two-a-day for the next week or so. No problem there. The one I am worried about uses a 22 gauge (thicker) one-inch needle that will go in near where the butt and back meet. Those are progesterone shots, which are apparently oil-based and so harder to push through the needle. I think we will be doing progesterone shots for weeks, even after the transfer.Uugh. Just thinking about it gets my heart rate going.

Hmmm. Sounds like a different plan. If it helps at all, we did the trigger shot in the lower back/butt area, I believe with a longer and thicker needle (I'll ask my wife to confirm), and like I said it was an absolute piece of cake. It was the other self-inflicted ones like the twice-daily Lupron that my wife hated- she did them in her abdomen and ended up black and blue.

 

[The Z Machine]

Wifey is taking Clomid now. We go for the IUI in about a week.

 

[Worm]

Our lupron shots were in the stomach, and our progesterone shots were in the side of the butt. My wife was black and blue from the progesterone, but neither of them really hurt too bad (so she said).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

We had our baby last week - everything went very smoothly and we have a very healthy wonderful daughter. We did IVF at a cost of about $13-14K out of pocket. We had great doctors all along the way that made it easier on us, even though it is a stressful process at times. I personally enjoyed giving my wife shots. It wasn't great for her I'm sure, but I really like my wife's butt so that was a time I looked forward to each day, which annoyed her no end.

We have a six year old boy that was conceived the old-fashioned way, which the doctors now claim was a massive longshot due to my round-headed sperm. In our case, the main complicating factor was our age as my wife is 43, but she is extremely healthy (unlike me) and has now produced two beautiful healthy kids.

I sympathize with everyone who has difficulty going through the pregnancy process, as many of my friends have, and just want to give whatever inspiration I can to those going through it. I remember sitting in a bar with my wife about a year ago when we were making the decision to hit our home equity line so we could fund this thing. Obviously, we are absolutely thrilled we made the decision to go to IVF route now, but it was not easy at the time and overall was a very stressful year.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Back when we did IVF I felt bad about sticking my wife in the butt with a needle. Now I wish I had an excuse to stick a needle in her every once in a while.

 

[3 out of 5]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

No, the trigger shot is with the same 30 gauge, half inch needle that the Lupron and stimulation drugs use. Those are small, in the back of the arm, and are easy. I've already given one a day for the last two weeks, and will be giving two-a-day for the next week or so. No problem there. The one I am worried about uses a 22 gauge (thicker) one-inch needle that will go in near where the butt and back meet. Those are progesterone shots, which are apparently oil-based and so harder to push through the needle. I think we will be doing progesterone shots for weeks, even after the transfer.Uugh. Just thinking about it gets my heart rate going.

Hmmm. Sounds like a different plan. If it helps at all, we did the trigger shot in the lower back/butt area, I believe with a longer and thicker needle (I'll ask my wife to confirm), and like I said it was an absolute piece of cake. It was the other self-inflicted ones like the twice-daily Lupron that my wife hated- she did them in her abdomen and ended up black and blue.

Well that is good to know. The Lupron and other "easy" ones could be done in the abdomen, but the wife hates needles so much that she would never be able to give herself the shots. That's where I come in. Now, I'm just worried about what it will be like to use the much deeper and bigger needle. I figure after the first it will all be okay... I'm just pretty anxious about the first go-around.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Sorry to hear about that Tobias...best of luck to whatever you decide next.

Re: Progestorone shot...it wasn't a big deal at all....very easy...no need to worry.

On the bright side, Mrs. TF gave birth to two healthy young boys last week. Were scheduled to go have a section on April 7th, but they came a month early. Still in NICU b/c they don't really want to take the bottle on their own yet...but they're both healthy and no cause for any concern at all.

This thread has been a great "escape"over the past few years. It's very comforting to know that many others are going through similar situations. I definitely feel for those who still haven't gotten there yet, b/c we were there for so long....but like many have said...even in the worst case scenario, you can adopt....and I've never ever read about someone who adopted to didn't love the child any less than it was their own.

 

[Worm]

Congrats TF!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Sorry to hear about that Tobias...best of luck to whatever you decide next.Re: Progestorone shot...it wasn't a big deal at all....very easy...no need to worry.On the bright side, Mrs. TF gave birth to two healthy young boys last week. Were scheduled to go have a section on April 7th, but they came a month early. Still in NICU b/c they don't really want to take the bottle on their own yet...but they're both healthy and no cause for any concern at all.This thread has been a great "escape"over the past few years. It's very comforting to know that many others are going through similar situations. I definitely feel for those who still haven't gotten there yet, b/c we were there for so long....but like many have said...even in the worst case scenario, you can adopt....and I've never ever read about someone who adopted to didn't love the child any less than it was their own.

Congratulations, man. That's really great news. Yeah, not worried about the adoption thing at all. I suspect the experience will be about 99.9% the same. I told my wife to consider how much we love on our dog, and he's not even the same species as us.

 

[The Z Machine]

Congrats Cletius and TF (and families too!).

I'm happy to hear success stories.

 

[Joe T]

Congrats GB.

Was thinking of posting in here today asking about Mrs. TF's progress.

 

[mr. furley]

This is good to know...I hate needles. I remember trying to climb into a refrigerator at my DR office when I was 3-4 trying to get away from the nurse giving me my shots

heh, i'm 35 and still do this

 

[commisholio]

We're on the IUI road now it seems. Wifey goes in for the HSG thing on Tuesday. It seems like no one I know has had any luck with the IUI.

Also my insurance only covers 50% of fertility treatments and covers 0% for IVF.

Z, gb- we had good luck x2 with IUI. First time was straight out of the chute (so to speak) while this second one took on the 4th or 5th try. Our insurance covered a certain amount of IUIs (pretty sure we were at the end with #2) and zilch for IVF. Hooray, insurance.

Hang in there- it might take a bit, or might be another way- but something will work for you guys if you really want kids. Speaking of- I might be willing to offload our older one on the cheap if anybody's interested.

My older buy has really gotten ants in his pants since his little brother was born. sometimes I wonder why we wanted the second so badly...

 

[El Floppo]

Congrats Cletius and TF (and families too!).I'm happy to hear success stories.

and good luck with the IUI, Z. Like I mentioned, this was our route to success too, even though it took a few tries to get there.adoption is sounding REALLY good to me about now... half way through wife's pregnancy.

 

[The Commish]

This is good to know...I hate needles. I remember trying to climb into a refrigerator at my DR office when I was 3-4 trying to get away from the nurse giving me my shots

heh, i'm 35 and still do this

I was shaking in the chair when they took my blood a couple weeks ago. There were no fridges to climb into and we were on the fifth floor...I was trapped with nowhere to go.

 

[bentley]

We're a couple weeks into our first IVF cycle -- I'm giving the shots. The Lupron and other drugs with subcutaneous needles in the arm are fine. I'm freaking out a little bit about the progesterone shots that will be in the muscle. Anyone else do this and have any advice for the deeper shots?

That's the trigger shot, right?My wife and I were nervous about it for weeks. The day of the shot I practiced on a piece of fruit and everything. And then when I did administer the shot, she didn't even realize I'd done it until I said "all done." Easiest part of the whole process.

No, the trigger shot is with the same 30 gauge, half inch needle that the Lupron and stimulation drugs use. Those are small, in the back of the arm, and are easy. I've already given one a day for the last two weeks, and will be giving two-a-day for the next week or so. No problem there. The one I am worried about uses a 22 gauge (thicker) one-inch needle that will go in near where the butt and back meet. Those are progesterone shots, which are apparently oil-based and so harder to push through the needle. I think we will be doing progesterone shots for weeks, even after the transfer.Uugh. Just thinking about it gets my heart rate going.

Hmmm. Sounds like a different plan. If it helps at all, we did the trigger shot in the lower back/butt area, I believe with a longer and thicker needle (I'll ask my wife to confirm), and like I said it was an absolute piece of cake. It was the other self-inflicted ones like the twice-daily Lupron that my wife hated- she did them in her abdomen and ended up black and blue.

Well that is good to know. The Lupron and other "easy" ones could be done in the abdomen, but the wife hates needles so much that she would never be able to give herself the shots. That's where I come in. Now, I'm just worried about what it will be like to use the much deeper and bigger needle. I figure after the first it will all be okay... I'm just pretty anxious about the first go-around.

We went through those shots with both IVFs. The only piece of advice I have is to be decisive about it. I #####footed around on a couple of shots the first time around and they were way worse than the quick poke. Agree with TF that it wasn't all that bad and also agree with whoever said that it would be good to be able to give her a shot in the butt every once in a while outside of the IVF cycles.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Sorry to hear about that Tobias...best of luck to whatever you decide next.

Re: Progestorone shot...it wasn't a big deal at all....very easy...no need to worry.

On the bright side, Mrs. TF gave birth to two healthy young boys last week. Were scheduled to go have a section on April 7th, but they came a month early. Still in NICU b/c they don't really want to take the bottle on their own yet...but they're both healthy and no cause for any concern at all.

This thread has been a great "escape"over the past few years. It's very comforting to know that many others are going through similar situations. I definitely feel for those who still haven't gotten there yet, b/c we were there for so long....but like many have said...even in the worst case scenario, you can adopt....and I've never ever read about someone who adopted to didn't love the child any less than it was their own.

Congratulations, man. That's really great news. Yeah, not worried about the adoption thing at all. I suspect the experience will be about 99.9% the same. I told my wife to consider how much we love on our dog, and he's not even the same species as us.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Congrats GB.Was thinking of posting in here today asking about Mrs. TF's progress.

facebook down?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Hi friends. Long time listener / first time caller for this thread.

Mrs ACP and I have been trying for about 5 years and that included a miscarriage in 2009. We just had our checkup this AM and ultrasounds and all checkupus good. We're end of 1st TriM/beginning of 2nd TriM. now. Mini ACP ready to wreak some havoc in late sept/early october.

 

[The Commish]

Hi friends. Long time listener / first time caller for this thread. Mrs ACP and I have been trying for about 5 years and that included a miscarriage in 2009. We just had our checkup this AM and ultrasounds and all checkupus good. We're end of 1st TriM/beginning of 2nd TriM. now. Mini ACP ready to wreak some havoc in late sept/early october.

Congrats

 

[The Z Machine]

Wifey got the trigger shot this morning for the IUI scheduled for tomorrow. I get to jerk off into a cup, then they spin the sperms to get the ugly ones out, and then my wife picks up the junk and goes to a leb tech w/ a turkey baster.

Pretty much birds and the bees stuff.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wifey got the trigger shot this morning for the IUI scheduled for tomorrow. I get to jerk off into a cup, then they spin the sperms to get the ugly ones out, and then my wife picks up the junk and goes to a leb tech w/ a turkey baster.Pretty much birds and the bees stuff.

Magical.Good luck, man.

 

[mr. furley]

Hi friends. Long time listener / first time caller for this thread. Mrs ACP and I have been trying for about 5 years and that included a miscarriage in 2009. We just had our checkup this AM and ultrasounds and all checkupus good. We're end of 1st TriM/beginning of 2nd TriM. now. Mini ACP ready to wreak some havoc in late sept/early october.

thanks for the email/text, friend oh and congratulations

 

[El Floppo]

Wifey got the trigger shot this morning for the IUI scheduled for tomorrow. I get to jerk off into a cup, then they spin the sperms to get the ugly ones out, and then my wife picks up the junk and goes to a leb tech w/ a turkey baster.Pretty much birds and the bees stuff.

Ah yess... those were the salad days- the wife was so gungho about making it work, she'd help. A lot. Good times. I remember those.At least you're not doing the whack-attack at the clinic- that's the walk of shame heading out of the waiting room, right there. But my place had some suprisingly ####ed up porn, which was a plus. I'm still impressed with myself for avoiding all contact with pretty much everything in that room- I used a pen to work the DVD player/TV, and did my work standing up (the room was a crappy doctor's appointment room, but with a lounge chair TV and big stack of pron.edit- wow, congrats ACP! nice work with your junk and whatnot.

 

[3 out of 5]

Egg retrieval tomorrow morning. Fingers are crossed for a good ... harvest?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

At least you're not doing the whack-attack at the clinic- that's the walk of shame heading out of the waiting room, right there. But my place had some suprisingly ####ed up porn, which was a plus. I'm still impressed with myself for avoiding all contact with pretty much everything in that room- I used a pen to work the DVD player/TV, and did my work standing up (the room was a crappy doctor's appointment room, but with a lounge chair TV and big stack of pron.

We went through fertility tests in 08? early 09? I took my netbook into the spank room with me Pretty sure trying to make that work with a thrice-jizzed playboy from 1982 wasn't going to be successful.

edit- wow, congrats ACP! nice work with your junk and whatnot.

Thanks!

 

[Flyin Pigs]

RE needles, the advice above is correct. Don't F around. Get in, push slow n steady, and get out. Straight in straight out. Remember to draw a bit to see if you're in a vein. Your wife might get pissed if you do that...or so I hear.

COngrats ACP. We went a good 5 years too before our visit to Northside.

 

[The Commish]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

 

[mr. furley]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

what happens if they all fertilize?

 

[Steed]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

what happens if they all fertilize?

Extras get put on ice for later on. Only costs $500 a year for storage. Another cost you don't think about till you get hit with it. Who's doing cord blood? My little guy's coming in less than 2 months and I'm sure it's going to be brought up.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.

Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

Sounds familiar.

We tried IVF twice 10 years ago and failed. We're starting our third and final attempt on Saturday. I'm not optimistic and, frankly, neither is our doctor.

Regardless of outcome, we've adopted three amazing kids in between and I'll be perfectly happy knowing we at least went down swinging.

Blood test tomorrow.

T&P's would be appreciated if you're so inclined.

 

[El Floppo]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

glllllplus with a little paint, you've got Easter covered.

 

[The Commish]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

what happens if they all fertilize?

In the "package" we bought we have one year of storage in the price, so we'd cross that bridge when/if we got there. Best case scenario for us is we get 4 strong embryos. We'll have two transfered now and if one or both take we can freeze the others and have a year to decide whether to try those also.

 

[The Commish]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.

Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

Sounds familiar.

We tried IVF twice 10 years ago and failed. We're starting our third and final attempt on Saturday. I'm not optimistic and, frankly, neither is our doctor.

Regardless of outcome, we've adopted three amazing kids in between and I'll be perfectly happy knowing we at least went down swinging.

Blood test tomorrow.

T&P's would be appreciated if you're so inclined.

Consider it done I was sitting next to a guy today who was on round number NINE :shocked: I can't begin to imagine that emotional roller coaster.

 

[Tiger Fan]

GLLL to everyone

 

[bentley]

GLLL to everyone

 

[The Commish]

Went in for retrieval today....hoping for 15 eggs, we got 18 Now the waiting begins. Looks like implanting on Sunday if all goes correctly.

what happens if they all fertilize?

Embryologist called this AM. We don't have to worry about this. 13 of the eggs were mature enough to fertilize and of those 6 were successful. Our doctor set an expectation that at each phase we'd lose about half of what we started with, so we are happy with the results thus far. Hopefully we can get 3 to go all the way to day 6. We'd implant two and freeze the third.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Update: another swing and miss for the Funkes last week. Strike two. We may take a called third strike and head back to the dugout. Apparently we're like an AL pitcher up there- we've got all the basic skills and equipment, but the numbers simply don't paint an optimistic picture.

Looks like there's a great adoption thread in the FFA too. This place is like Wikipedia for thirty-something married men. Very excited about that.

Sounds familiar.

We tried IVF twice 10 years ago and failed. We're starting our third and final attempt on Saturday. I'm not optimistic and, frankly, neither is our doctor.

Regardless of outcome, we've adopted three amazing kids in between and I'll be perfectly happy knowing we at least went down swinging.

Blood test tomorrow.

T&P's would be appreciated if you're so inclined.

Good luck, GWB. My wife is talking about egg donors now. On our last consult the doc suggested it to her because he felt our problems might be on her end. The idea kind of weirds me out just a tiny bit, but she seems 100% comfortable with it. So I did a little internet reading, and apparently women can overcome the fact that the guy has a genetic connection to the child but they don't because 9 months of pregnancy gives them all the bonding they need. Anyone else ever go this route or even think about it? Am I off base in thinking it's kinda bizarre?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Good luck, GWB. My wife is talking about egg donors now. On our last consult the doc suggested it to her because he felt our problems might be on her end. The idea kind of weirds me out just a tiny bit, but she seems 100% comfortable with it. So I did a little internet reading, and apparently women can overcome the fact that the guy has a genetic connection to the child but they don't because 9 months of pregnancy gives them all the bonding they need. Anyone else ever go this route or even think about it? Am I off base in thinking it's kinda bizarre?

Thanks.Our doc actually suggested this as well but my wife was the opposite. She wasn't interested in discussing it which I found odd since we've adopted three children