Tucker Carlson: probably not in deep trouble anymore, but he should be. (11 Viewers)

[jamny]

Yes I do.  I like his core beliefs.  He’s anti-war and anti-US meddling.  He is anti-racist in the sense that he doesn’t believe in seeing color, which I agree with.  He’s a great writer and communicates his thoughts very clearly.  I love that.  I love that in people who I disagree with.  I used to hate Alan Dershowitz but I loved watching him because of how smart he was.

But I have also been critical of the things I don’t like about him.  He’s a flamethrower.  He belittles people.  I don’t like that at all.

This is what those that just hate Tucker don't understand. His is the only opinion show that I watch. While I don't agree with some of the methods that he uses to get ratings, like the more inflammatory rhetoric and one sided discussions, he is a smart guy that delves into topics that others don't. I'll come in and defend him when I feel people have gotten what he said completely wrong but will also criticize him too like with his recent comments about Ketanji Brown Jackson and his bio-weapons belief. He's not always right but he at least tries to see things from an angle that I find interesting. It's not like the pure bluster of Hannity. I accept that some people will always hate him even if they might agree with him on certain things if they looked past that hatred and actually listened with an open mind. That's fine as long as you don't misrepresent what he says to fuel that hatred. 

 

[JIslander]

Yes I do.  I like his core beliefs.  He’s anti-war and anti-US meddling.  He is anti-racist in the sense that he doesn’t believe in seeing color, which I agree with.  He’s a great writer and communicates his thoughts very clearly.  I love that.  I love that in people who I disagree with.  I used to hate Alan Dershowitz but I loved watching him because of how smart he was.

But I have also been critical of the things I don’t like about him.  He’s a flamethrower.  He belittles people.  I don’t like that at all.

Do we REALLY know what they are?  Do you?  

 

[The General]

This is what those that just hate Tucker don't understand. His is the only opinion show that I watch. While I don't agree with some of the methods that he uses to get ratings, like the more inflammatory rhetoric and one sided discussions, he is a smart guy that delves into topics that others don't. I'll come in and defend him when I feel people have gotten what he said completely wrong but will also criticize him too like with his recent comments about Ketanji Brown Jackson and his bio-weapons belief. He's not always right but he at least tries to see things from an angle that I find interesting. It's not like the pure bluster of Hannity. I accept that some people will always hate him even if they might agree with him on certain things if they looked past that hatred and actually listened with an open mind. That's fine as long as you don't misrepresent what he says to fuel that hatred. 

That’s one word for it.

That you and @ekbeatswatch this guy has made me reconsider simply lumping him with Hannity or Laura Ingram. I won’t watch his show because I find him very annoying to look at and listen to but next time he steps in some topic I will take time to read what he said on the topic. 

 

[timschochet]

I find the core beliefs of Tucker Carlson to be nativist, isolationist, xenophobic, anti globalist, anti-immigration, anti- international trade and capitalist. It’s basically an extension of the old paleo conservative, Pat Buchanan view of America, and it disturbingly plays footsies with white nationalism. It’s a view of America to which I am utterly opposed. 

 

[jamny]

I find the core beliefs of Tucker Carlson to be nativist, isolationist, xenophobic, anti globalist, anti-immigration, anti- international trade and capitalist. It’s basically an extension of the old paleo conservative, Pat Buchanan view of America, and it disturbingly plays footsies with white nationalism. It’s a view of America to which I am utterly opposed. 

Not surprisingly, I was a fan of Pat Buchanan back in the day. Loved him on Crossfire and The McLaughlin Group. This is only the second time I've heard the term paleoconservative though. I guess I should look into it.

 

[JIslander]

I find the core beliefs of Tucker Carlson to be nativist, isolationist, xenophobic, anti globalist, anti-immigration, anti- international trade and capitalist. It’s basically an extension of the old paleo conservative, Pat Buchanan view of America, and it disturbingly plays footsies with white nationalism. It’s a view of America to which I am utterly opposed. 

yup

 

[The General]

On a very special Tucker tonight he interviews Kid Rock where they talk about inflation and Joe Biden 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

"Tucker Carlson has followed you." 

Edit: NM, it's a parody account LOL

 

[joffer]

I find the core beliefs of Tucker Carlson to be nativist, isolationist, xenophobic, anti globalist, anti-immigration, anti- international trade and capitalist. It’s basically an extension of the old paleo conservative, Pat Buchanan view of America, and it disturbingly plays footsies with white nationalism. It’s a view of America to which I am utterly opposed. 

and smarmy

 

[FairWarning]

I find the core beliefs of Tucker Carlson to be nativist, isolationist, xenophobic, anti globalist, anti-immigration, anti- international trade and capitalist. It’s basically an extension of the old paleo conservative, Pat Buchanan view of America, and it disturbingly plays footsies with white nationalism. It’s a view of America to which I am utterly opposed. 

There is a big difference between anti immigration and anti illegal immigration.  Tim, I think you should get a CNN or MSNBC gig.  

 

[the moops]

There is a big difference between anti immigration and anti illegal immigration.  Tim, I think you should get a CNN or MSNBC gig.  

There is a difference. However, Tucker Carlson is not just anti-illegal immigration. He has made his views quite clear. His most famous disparaging comment "immigrants make this country poorer and dirtier", had no talk of illegal vs legal 

 

[timschochet]

There is a big difference between anti immigration and anti illegal immigration.  Tim, I think you should get a CNN or MSNBC gig.  

Tucker Carlson is both anti-illegal immigration and anti-immigration in general. 
 

And that is not unusual among public figures. In fact, I would challenge you to find the public figure (politician or talking head) who vocally concerned about illegal immigration but who is for increasing legal immigration. I know that this is a popular view among many regular folks, but try finding the public figure who has expressed such a view. I can’t think of one. 

 

[FairWarning]

Tucker Carlson is both anti-illegal immigration and anti-immigration in general. 
 

And that is not unusual among public figures. In fact, I would challenge you to find the public figure (politician or talking head) who vocally concerned about illegal immigration but who is for increasing legal immigration. I know that this is a popular view among many regular folks, but try finding the public figure who has expressed such a view. I can’t think of one. 

It is cute the opposite sides hangs on these opinion shows, like  Tucker Carlson has power to do anything.  
 

   We are taking 100k Legal Ukrainians, how many should we allow, 4 million?

 

[FairWarning]

There is a difference. However, Tucker Carlson is not just anti-illegal immigration. He has made his views quite clear. His most famous disparaging comment "immigrants make this country poorer and dirtier", had no talk of illegal vs legal 

That’s his opinion. He’s jumped the shark a while ago.

 

[timschochet]

It is cute the opposite sides hangs on these opinion shows, like  Tucker Carlson has power to do anything.  
 

   We are taking 100k Legal Ukrainians, how many should we allow, 4 million?

You were the one taking issue with my analysis of Tucker Carlson. Now your argument is that it doesn’t matter anyhow because he has no power? Carlson influences peoples’ thinking; that makes him MORE powerful than most politicians, not less. 
 

To answer your question: as many who want to come. 

 

[FairWarning]

You were the one taking issue with my analysis of Tucker Carlson. Now your argument is that it doesn’t matter anyhow because he has no power? Carlson influences peoples’ thinking; that makes him MORE powerful than most politicians, not less. 
 

To answer your question: as many who want to come. 

What if 6 billion want to come in?  
 

 

[RCon]

What if 6 billion want to come in?  

I'm not necessarily with timschochet on the unlimited forever bandwagon.

That said, pretty sure there aren't six billion Ukrainians.

 

[timschochet]

What if 6 billion want to come in?  
 

That’s 75% of the world’s population. If that were the case it would mean that 75% of the world wanted to be like us. And that would be great. 

 

[FairWarning]

I'm not necessarily with timschochet on the unlimited forever bandwagon.

That said, pretty sure there aren't six billion Ukrainians.

I didn’t say there was.  I just asked him how many people should we allow in.  
 

I wonder if this was what Carlson was referring to?  https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE80S0QB20120129

 

[FairWarning]

That’s 75% of the world’s population. If that were the case it would mean that 75% of the world wanted to be like us. And that would be great. 

It still doesn’t give anyone the right to come here illegally.  This is a big bone of contention with my Indian customers - who did it the right way.  

 

[timschochet]

It still doesn’t give anyone the right to come here illegally.  This is a big bone of contention with my Indian customers - who did it the right way.  

What does that have to do with Ukranian refugees? They’re coming in “the right way” too. Your arguments seem to be all over the map here. 
 

(Also- what your Indian customers may not understand is that, for most of those who cross our borders illegally, there is no “right way” for them, no means of applying to enter here legally, no line for them to get into.) 

 

[FairWarning]

What does that have to do with Ukranian refugees? They’re coming in “the right way” too. Your arguments seem to be all over the map here. 
 

(Also- what your Indian customers may not understand is that, for most of those who cross our borders illegally, there is no “right way” for them, no means of applying to enter here legally, no line for them to get into.) 

People on the right want controlled immigration (the right way).  You want a free for ll - basically what we have now.  

 

[timschochet]

People on the right want controlled immigration (the right way).  You want a free for ll - basically what we have now.  

Again- you brought up Ukrainian refugees. What does this have to do with them? 
(Also- what I want is not what we have now.) 

 

[Desert_Power]

It is cute the opposite sides hangs on these opinion shows, like  Tucker Carlson has power to do anything. 

The president that the vast majority of Carlson viewers voted for had that power and he succeeded in drastically curtailing legal immigration: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration

 

[timschochet]

The president that the vast majority of Carlson viewers voted for had that power and he succeeded in drastically curtailing legal immigration: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration

In addition it’s a little bit contradictory to claim that you’re only concerned with illegal immigration, not legal immigration, and then in the exact same post bring up the number of Ukranian refugees as a cause for worry. Seems almost disingenuous. 

 

[Dickies]

It is cute the opposite sides hangs on these opinion shows, like  Tucker Carlson has power to do anything.  
 

   We are taking 100k Legal Ukrainians, how many should we allow, 4 million?

Yes

 

[the moops]

I didn’t say there was.  I just asked him how many people should we allow in.  
 

I wonder if this was what


Carlson


was referring to?   https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE80S0QB20120129

He was referring to an article from 2012?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There is never a bottom.  Tucker Carlson:

“What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”

 

[JIslander]

There is never a bottom.  Tucker Carlson:

oh. "....just asking the questions". What an ###

As bad as Sandy Hook and Alex Jones iMO

 

[Desert_Power]

There is never a bottom.  Tucker Carlson:

This has to be a parody quote, right?

 

[George Costanza]

There is never a bottom.  Tucker Carlson:

He is the worst... and I watch him regularly as I enjoy the peek into the world of bat####ery. The. Worst.

oh. "....just asking the questions". What an ###

As bad as Sandy Hook and Alex Jones iMO

That's his go-to... just asking questions. He disguises his horrible takes in "asking questions" that any rational person can see through.

 

[Godsbrother]

What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”

This guy does everything he can to demonize Ukraine and paint Russia as victims. 

Maybe his ratings on Russian State television was dropping.

 

[ericttspikes]

There is never a bottom.  Tucker Carlson:

Sounds like giving "aid and comfort" to an enemy of the US to me.

 

[ekbeats]

Tucker addressed Replacement Theory last night on his show.  https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-democratic-party-change-electorate

 

[sho nuff]

Tucker addressed Replacement Theory last night on his show.  https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-democratic-party-change-electorate

Trying to spin his own  bad takes and blame democrats?

What is his spin for calling Crenshaw eye-patch McCain?

 

[jamny]

Tucker addressed Replacement Theory last night on his show.  https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-democratic-party-change-electorate

I've only seen his opening segments the past couple of nights but he's been very good. 

 

[rustycolts]

Tucker Carlson is both anti-illegal immigration and anti-immigration in general. 
 

And that is not unusual among public figures. In fact, I would challenge you to find the public figure (politician or talking head) who vocally concerned about illegal immigration but who is for increasing legal immigration. I know that this is a popular view among many regular folks, but try finding the public figure who has expressed such a view. I can’t think of one. 

Bernie had something to say about it. Funny he sounds a little like Tucker.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0

 

[BladeRunner]

Tucker addressed Replacement Theory last night on his show.  https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-democratic-party-change-electorate

Tucker used a pronoun in his show last night too.  You know who else used a pronoun in their manifesto?

Yeah, that's right: the buffalo shooter!!!!!!

TUCKER AND THE GOP AND ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE RESPONSIBLE!!!!

 

[tymarsas]

I've only seen his opening segments the past couple of nights but he's been very good. 

I don't disagree with his take that there were a ton of warning signs and someone should have gotten him help. I also don't disagree with him saying that Biden is politicizing it. But Tucker is doing the exact same thing.

He also clearly hasn't paid much attention since he says "But can anyone show, has anyone ever shown that this specific case, Payton Gendron, was 'recruited and mobilized by the internet'?". The shooter literally put it in his manifesto that he got all of his ideas from the internet. This is why people dislike Tucker. He completely downplays and ignores obvious facts to push his narrative. 

 

[JIslander]

I don't disagree with his take that there were a ton of warning signs and someone should have gotten him help. I also don't disagree with him saying that Biden is politicizing it. But Tucker is doing the exact same thing.

He also clearly hasn't paid much attention since he says "But can anyone show, has anyone ever shown that this specific case, Payton Gendron, was 'recruited and mobilized by the internet'?". The shooter literally put it in his manifesto that he got all of his ideas from the internet. This is what people dislike Tucker. He completely downplays and ignores obvious facts to push his narrative. 

Yeah, not getting 15 minutes from me to listen to his trash.  

 

[Joe Mammy]

Bernie had something to say about it. Funny he sounds a little like Tucker.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0

I just watched the full 3 mins. Thanks for the link. I do not see where he sounds like Tucker, you'll have to elaborate. He sounds to me a like a kind, understanding patriot who does not want to see open borders where the US citizens lose jobs to immigrants accepting the extremely low paying wages that the right can't wait to dish out.

He explains why the right wants open borders- to provide the slave labor at $3 an hour they drool over. 

He shows where the young unemployment rate is higher among blacks, then Latinos and the whites were high too but the lowest of the 3- young unemployment could be hugely helped with-

----$15 minimum wage. 

Bernie is true of soul. If only he was Benjamin Bernie Button.

This country needs Bernie, or at least a clone.

 

[BladeRunner]

I just watched the full 3 mins. Thanks for the link. I do not see where he sounds like Tucker, you'll have to elaborate. He sounds to me a like a kind, understanding patriot who does not want to see open borders where the US citizens lose jobs to immigrants accepting the extremely low paying wages that the right can't wait to dish out.

He explains why the right wants open borders- to provide the slave labor at $3 an hour they drool over. 

He shows where the young unemployment rate is higher among blacks, then Latinos and the whites were high too but the lowest of the 3- young unemployment could be hugely helped with-

----$15 minimum wage. 

Bernie is true of soul. If only he was Benjamin Bernie Button.

This country needs Bernie, or at least a clone.

Uhm...no.

Weve seen the destruction Socialism has done around the world.  No thanks.

 

[Joe Mammy]

Uhm...no.

Weve seen the destruction Socialism has done around the world.  No thanks.

Did you watch the video? Learning is fun.

 

[PhillipPhoto]

Trying to spin his own  bad takes and blame democrats?

What is his spin for calling Crenshaw eye-patch McCain?

You didn't watch it.

You need someone to explain the joke for you?

 

[Stoneworker]

This country needs Bernie, or at least a clone.

Oh yeah. $3.5 trillion spending bill. That surely would have cured inflation.

 

[BladeRunner]

Did you watch the video? Learning is fun.

Watch the video!?!? 

Dude, ive learned from history!!

 

[Joe Mammy]

Watch the video!?!? 

Dude, ive learned from history!!

There is more to learn. Watch the link that Rusty put up comparing Tucker to Bernie. 

Every time righties hear "Bernie" they scream - SOCIALISM IS EVIL! And they won't take the time to listen to him. It's 3.43 minutes and the link he put up is from a few years ago. But if you don't love the Bern after watching, well....just watch.

 

[ekbeats]

I don't disagree with his take that there were a ton of warning signs and someone should have gotten him help. I also don't disagree with him saying that Biden is politicizing it. But Tucker is doing the exact same thing.

He also clearly hasn't paid much attention since he says "But can anyone show, has anyone ever shown that this specific case, Payton Gendron, was 'recruited and mobilized by the internet'?". The shooter literally put it in his manifesto that he got all of his ideas from the internet. This is why people dislike Tucker. He completely downplays and ignores obvious facts to push his narrative. 

If Tucker had used violent rhetoric I'd agree with that.  But he doesn't.  In fact, he says almost nightly that he deplores violence.  I challenge anyone to find a quote from Tucker that espouses violence of any kind.  

 

[JIslander]

If Tucker had used violent rhetoric I'd agree with that.  But he doesn't.  In fact, he says almost nightly that he deplores violence.  I challenge anyone to find a quote from Tucker that espouses violence of any kind.  

Wow, props to Tucker for not actually saying you should go shoot brown people.    

 

[ekbeats]

Wow, props to Tucker for not actually saying you should go shoot brown people.    

Wrong.  He doesn’t remain silent, he specifically says that violence is deplorable in all instances. He also says almost nightly that people shouldn’t be judged or treated based on “immutable traits” that they have no control over.

I guess what I’d ask is - what did Tucker say in his show last night that is factually incorrect or inciting violence?