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what would a 3-5-2 look like?

crap... same problems really, especially now that we finally have 9s we can use.

gotta have Dest out there. but if he's there, that means no Jedi. or... no Gio or Weah or Musah.

I want Dest, Gio, MMA, Weah, CP and Balo all on the field at the same time. or... gulp... maybe Adams is expendable, with Musah playing the 6? yeah... Musah behind Swag and Gio with Dest and Weah out wide. Jedi + 2x CBs with CP and Balo up front.
 
what would a 3-5-2 look like?

crap... same problems really, especially now that we finally have 9s we can use.

gotta have Dest out there. but if he's there, that means no Jedi. or... no Gio or Weah or Musah.

I want Dest, Gio, MMA, Weah, CP and Balo all on the field at the same time. or... gulp... maybe Adams is expendable, with Musah playing the 6? yeah... Musah behind Swag and Gio with Dest and Weah out wide. Jedi + 2x CBs with CP and Balo up front.
We need a backup for Adams anyway as it's our most vulnerable position when he's out. LDLT did nice work there, but I think Musah could fit that role as well. I know it limits his best strength, but I wouldn't mind it overall.
 
what would a 3-5-2 look like?

crap... same problems really, especially now that we finally have 9s we can use.

gotta have Dest out there. but if he's there, that means no Jedi. or... no Gio or Weah or Musah.

I want Dest, Gio, MMA, Weah, CP and Balo all on the field at the same time. or... gulp... maybe Adams is expendable, with Musah playing the 6? yeah... Musah behind Swag and Gio with Dest and Weah out wide. Jedi + 2x CBs with CP and Balo up front.
We need a backup for Adams anyway as it's our most vulnerable position when he's out. LDLT did nice work there, but I think Musah could fit that role as well. I know it limits his best strength, but I wouldn't mind it overall.
a 3-2-3-2 would work, with Musah and Swag in that back 2 with Dest, Gio, Weah in front of them with CP and Balo running up top.
 
I would love to see and old school two striker setup with Pepi and Balogun but if memory serves, GGG has never used two true strikers at the same time.
 
We have often repeated that the top tier talent, playing specifically for the US, has not out shown previous generations.

But while that was true, it was also a bit unfair. We have been forced to compare a set of players aged 18-23 with historical players in their dead prime.

That should all change this cycle as by the end of the cycle (which conveniently lines up with hosting the WC), we are going to have a gaggle of players in the 23-28 age bracket.
 
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I got to see the game live and just watched the replay. A couple of notes, especially given some of the talk in the thread.

1. Pulisic wasn't the best player on the field, but he wasn't bad either. They had their #10 following him the entire half and immediately moved 1 to 2 guys to back him up whenever the ball got moved to our left. Add that to Lund not offering much as an outlet and he's not going to have much for chances. FYI, one of the reason McKennie was able to make so many great switches was all the attention Oman was giving CP. It left Dest and Weah in acres of space.

2. Musah is a baller. No idea why he's getting looked over here. Last night is the first time I've seen him live and he reminded me of Ngolo Kante. Constant motor... great body control and an absolute menace to the other team when pressing in midfield. Miles and Richards played great last night, but Musah hounding their midfield contributed mightily to the defensive effort too.

3. McKennie was on fire with those long balls. We commented on it all night. That's going to be killer going forward if he can stay that consistent on switching the field.

4. Thought Lund played good for a kid in his first call up. Obviously was limited offensively, but never let anyone behind him and was quick about moving the ball. I'm hoping he'll offer more offensive threat once he settles in, but he at least looks like a decent backup option if nothing else.

5. Defense was spectacular. It wasn't a huge test, but Miles absolutely controlled the air and both Miles and Richards cut off runs immediately. Both were extremely quick about moving the ball too. Loved what I saw from them.

6. Thought Balogun looked good, but really liked what Pepi brought to the #9 even more. I know Balogun is more highly thought of right now, but this race hasn't run it's course yet IMO.

7. Right side is set in stone IMO. Weah and Dest work too well together for that to ever be messed with.(please Gregg)
 
somebody here commented that he's trying to do too much... and I agree. I think he'd be well served to play more quick passes off interspersed with taking guys on- like a play-action. looks like every time he gets the ball he feels like he open the game. hopefully he'll settle into more of a rhythm with his new team and teammates so he can maximize those opportunities.
I mentioned earlier in the thread that Pulisic would benefit from having a Dest like FB to play with. Jedi is extremely limited in close one and two touch play and Lund really is not going to be trying anything useful when he is just trying to show he can be trusted.
 
3. McKennie was on fire with those long balls. We commented on it all night. That's going to be killer going forward if he can stay that consistent on switching the field.
as much as I would love it, I can't see him holding that level. It was Pirlo-esque to me. So many were inch perfect.
 
7. Right side is set in stone IMO. Weah and Dest work too well together for that to ever be messed with.(please Gregg)

I like Weah a lot, but I've harped on this point a few times before. The problem with this pairing is that Weah, for all his strengths, has very little creativity with the ball at his feet (lots of creativity off the ball, but very little in possession). That leaves Dest picking up the slack on that front, which leaves him both exposed and gassed against good teams. Doesn't really matter against teams like Oman where their attack is weak, but leaves him extremely vulnerable against teams that can punish. The exact types of teams we're hoping to compete with this go-round. And incidentally, is exactly what happened at the end of the first half against the Dutch.
 
I got to see the game live and just watched the replay. A couple of notes, especially given some of the talk in the thread.

1. Pulisic wasn't the best player on the field, but he wasn't bad either. They had their #10 following him the entire half and immediately moved 1 to 2 guys to back him up whenever the ball got moved to our left. Add that to Lund not offering much as an outlet and he's not going to have much for chances. FYI, one of the reason McKennie was able to make so many great switches was all the attention Oman was giving CP. It left Dest and Weah in acres of space.

2. Musah is a baller. No idea why he's getting looked over here. Last night is the first time I've seen him live and he reminded me of Ngolo Kante. Constant motor... great body control and an absolute menace to the other team when pressing in midfield. Miles and Richards played great last night, but Musah hounding their midfield contributed mightily to the defensive effort too.

3. McKennie was on fire with those long balls. We commented on it all night. That's going to be killer going forward if he can stay that consistent on switching the field.

4. Thought Lund played good for a kid in his first call up. Obviously was limited offensively, but never let anyone behind him and was quick about moving the ball. I'm hoping he'll offer more offensive threat once he settles in, but he at least looks like a decent backup option if nothing else.

5. Defense was spectacular. It wasn't a huge test, but Miles absolutely controlled the air and both Miles and Richards cut off runs immediately. Both were extremely quick about moving the ball too. Loved what I saw from them.

6. Thought Balogun looked good, but really liked what Pepi brought to the #9 even more. I know Balogun is more highly thought of right now, but this race hasn't run it's course yet IMO.

7. Right side is set in stone IMO. Weah and Dest work too well together for that to ever be messed with.(please Gregg)
that's amazing you got to see the game- fun one to take in live.

1- CP is always going to be overloaded defensively. he/GGG needs to have realized that by now and he really needs to make better decisions, instead of putting his head down and trying to take the 1st and 2nd man on over and over again. I agree Lund was killing his space- will hopefully grow into more of an understanding with more time together. great point about Swag and the switch being open as a result of the overload.

2- a lot of stuff happens outside the frame of the TV. that's where guys like CBs, Adams/Musah and whoever our 9 is make their living doing their work- work that doesn't get seen by the rest of us TV viewers and usually isn't a codifiable stat. love hearing these insights from you and gian these last two games about that work.

3- I actually think this is a skill well within Swag's toolkit- and not some one-off that Andy was concerned about. I feel like the modern game's defense tends to pinch and overload the strong/ball side of the field, almost always leaving the switch on if there's somebody willing to take it. that said... Swag had a LOT of time and space on the ball to both pick his head up to find the players cross field and make the switch unharried.

4- agree about Lund. high floor in our limited viewing of him.. which is great for a younger, new guy. hoping he has the skills to unleash more offense when he gets more comfortable. but he did show really consistent good crossing skills, and he was always the first person to get to the goal scorer to celebrate and always had the biggest, goofiest grin when he did. kid looked like he was loving every second of that.... gave up on Denmark to do it, as well as feeding seals.

5- yeah! I was loving their quickness moving the ball- but they were rock solid defensively.. and seemed like their spacing was good. I don't remember them getting beat through the middle ever.

6- were you able to watch both those guys off the ball? I feel like pepi's defense has gotten better and better, at least from the way the opposing team is forced to move the ball out of the back... rarely the most productive attack as a result.

7- I do think Weah has the ability off the dribble- and has shown it for the US at times. but agree with Bagel that he could show more of it, which would help open Swag even more. they cycle into the same spaces too much and end up playing a lot of short balls to each other.


after hearing your guys' reports, I'm really thinking about going to the Germany game in CT. will look into tickets... probably goofy priced.
 
I'm loving the midfield and formation discussion, but let's face it with GGG we're going to be playing a 433.

What I would like to see going forward is some flexibility in the midfield based on opponent. Maybe MMR against a minnow. Or AMR (McKennie) if it's a bigger minnow. Maybe two 6's if we're overmatched. I feel like we're getting deep enough in the talent pool to take make changes based on opponent, I'm just not sure we've seen GGG do that when it actually matters.
 
I jus finished reading US Soccer's write up of the game. At the very end they list the Budweiser Man of the Match.

In a game where Weston, Miles and Richards excelled, with Weah, Pepi and Dest all also having strong games, they some how picked Balogun as Man of the Match....
That's a fan vote.
fan is an idiot.
After the Uzb game, I was looking for the payer ratings articles expecting the late meaningless PK to get CP a 7 when his game was a 4 or 5...

Media is an idiot too.
 
I am not discounting Musah. IMO his strengths work better in a double pivot and hopefully he can grow into an 8. But he needs a creative player ahead of him. 4-2-3-1 suits him well next to McKinnie.

Its a nice problem to have when you can rotate and mix and match Gio, McKinnie, Musah, and Adams in the middle depending on how you want to play. 4-2-3-1 vs 4-3-3....
(Insert obligatory remark about how GGG doesn't have the tactical sense or ability to fit a scheme to the players)




And Nagbe was a good MLS player, never good enough for the USMNT.... :boxing:
 
3- I actually think this is a skill well within Swag's toolkit- and not some one-off that Andy was concerned about. I feel like the modern game's defense tends to pinch and overload the strong/ball side of the field, almost always leaving the switch on if there's somebody willing to take it. that said... Swag had a LOT of time and space on the ball to both pick his head up to find the players cross field and make the switch unharried.

4- agree about Lund. high floor in our limited viewing of him.. which is great for a younger, new guy. hoping he has the skills to unleash more offense when he gets more comfortable. but he did show really consistent good crossing skills, and he was always the first person to get to the goal scorer to celebrate and always had the biggest, goofiest grin when he did. kid looked like he was loving every second of that.... gave up on Denmark to do it, as well as feeding seals.

5- yeah! I was loving their quickness moving the ball- but they were rock solid defensively.. and seemed like their spacing was good. I don't remember them getting beat through the middle ever.

6- were you able to watch both those guys off the ball? I feel like pepi's defense has gotten better and better, at least from the way the opposing team is forced to move the ball out of the back... rarely the most productive attack as a result.

7- I do think Weah has the ability off the dribble- and has shown it for the US at times. but agree with Bagel that he could show more of it, which would help open Swag even more. they cycle into the same spaces too much and end up playing a lot of short balls to each other.


after hearing your guys' reports, I'm really thinking about going to the Germany game in CT. will look into tickets... probably goofy priced.

3. Yeah, he clearly has the talent for it, but against better opponents he'll need to fire that pass quicker. Oman was giving him a lot of time before closing him down... again might've been coached to do so in order to not leave CP open for a run in behind? Still, it was incredible to watch Swag not only be aware of those and try them, but pull them off so perfectly.

6. both Balogun and Pepi were pulling back more towards midfield in the press. CP and Weah were actually the highest two guys when we were without the ball... assuming that was a coaching decision. I thought Balogun looked VERY good on the press. I didn't notice Pepi as much, but he obviously didn't have any issues either or I would've noticed that. Balogun made a few runs, but I thought he missed a couple of opportunities to make line breaking runs when Weston had the ball in space and attention was focused on CP. He was pretty consistent in his run to the near post once the field switch happened though. Pepi I thought was a little more active on the offensive side. He was trying quite a bit more and showing up with his back to the goal trying for hold up play a bit more as well.

7. I think Weah's directness and speed are an issue for any opposing team. I like him staying wide if possible and allowing Dest to cut in as I see Dest as the better dribbler and more capable of playing 1-2s through the middle. Now, as it was pointed out, that hurts us on possible counters, but that one's on Gregg IMO. I watched the first 2 Milan games just to see CP in his new team and Theo makes just as many runs as Dest and you'll see Tomori move out wide to protect the wing and Krunic(their current DM) move back to Tomori's spot so they still have that backline ready to defend. It's pretty much exactly what should be coached for the US when we have an offensive talent like Dest on one side of the defense, but in the World Cup against the Netherlands, they'd take the ball away, play it out to their winger and we'd have 2 guys back and Adams chasing the play from behind because no one was in defensive position.
 
I am not discounting Musah. IMO his strengths work better in a double pivot and hopefully he can grow into an 8. But he needs a creative player ahead of him. 4-2-3-1 suits him well next to McKinnie.

Its a nice problem to have when you can rotate and mix and match Gio, McKinnie, Musah, and Adams in the middle depending on how you want to play. 4-2-3-1 vs 4-3-3....
(Insert obligatory remark about how GGG doesn't have the tactical sense or ability to fit a scheme to the players)




And Nagbe was a good MLS player, never good enough for the USMNT.... :boxing:
I honestly think only McKennie should be considered a guaranteed starter right now. It's weird to say given Adams played so well in the WC and was probably the POTY last year, but against minnows.... I'd love to see last night's group with Gio in place of Tillman. We looked very dangerous all night and Gio would've ramped that up to an 11. McKennie and Musah both just offer so much more offensively than Adams and the fall off on defense shouldn't matter when playing lesser teams.

Against the better teams? Move Adams into the 6 and McKennie into the most offensive midfield position. Have Gio ready to chase if we're behind late.
 
The thing about Wes is that when he's good, he's very good. But he's inconsistent. Nobody else has those games where he has like five bad giveaways. And yeah, nobody else has the games where he wins every ball in the air, pops up with a goal, and sprays diagonals all over the field either.
 
Against the better teams? Move Adams into the 6 and McKennie into the most offensive midfield position. Have Gio ready to chase if we're behind late.
I don't think this is right. I get the thinking but Gio as a 10 is darn near our best player. He was our best player in the spring/summer.

You don't remove your best players when you face tougher comp. You lean into them. There's no one out there so much better than us that we need to turtle. I'd honestly rather see Gio rotate in for the toughest games because otherwise we struggle to unlock defenses. We can drill crappy teams like Oman with anyone in our pool because our midfield has time and space to kill.
 
Against the better teams? Move Adams into the 6 and McKennie into the most offensive midfield position. Have Gio ready to chase if we're behind late.
I don't think this is right. I get the thinking but Gio as a 10 is darn near our best player. He was our best player in the spring/summer.

You don't remove your best players when you face tougher comp. You lean into them. There's no one out there so much better than us that we need to turtle. I'd honestly rather see Gio rotate in for the toughest games because otherwise we struggle to unlock defenses. We can drill crappy teams like Oman with anyone in our pool because our midfield has time and space to kill.
Jackson Yueill says hold my beer.
 
Musah behind Swag and Gio
I really don't like this Everyone's a half-step more offensive than usual in a 3-man in a midfield (a forward foot 6, a forward foot 8 and a pure 10). I think we'd get carved up.
You don't remove your best players when you face tougher comp. You lean into them.
Would you play Gio over McKennie? That's the choice for me.
mine would be in a situation where we'd be on the front foot. or we'd rely on Weah to dop deeper to provide cover.
 
mine would be in a situation where we'd be on the front foot.
It is really hard for us old ****s to imagine this but I have a feeling what we saw in 2022 WC is the start of something new.

We were on the front foot against Wales and Iran. We played England straight up and for the very first time in my life, a legit top 10 team realized they would do better to sit back and counter against the US in the Netherlands.

With the US being a number 1 seed in 2026 and there being a round of 32 in the knock out stage for the first time, there is a decent chance the US should expect to be on the front foot for at least the first 4 games (assuming we advance and don't face plant).
 
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It's too bad he and Weah can't be on the field at the same time together, but if they continue to keep playing in this combo, I'll still take it. It could be worse.
I agree it could be worse.

On the bright side, if Weston keeps balling, maybe an opportunity opens up inside (where he belongs, he is not a wing back by any means) and that opens up a chance for Weah. Best they can both do is just keep playing well. Things usually work out if that most important component is in place.
 

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