US Men's National Team (12 Viewers)

[NewlyRetired]

Strasbourg have sacked Viera. https://x.com/RCSA/status/1813914550972141680

edit: reported as “by mutual consent” …

Trusted reporters say g he’s negotiating now. Just weird to me to raise expectations in the statement firing Berhalter and then immediately go back to rejected finalist from last time. And he’s not a “serial winner”, at least not as a manager.

I am not sure rejected finalist is really accurate given the circumstances.

I do not think Viera interviewed and then every one sat down and discussed his strengths and weaknesses and decided GGG was a better candidate.

I think US Soccer knew from the jump they were rehiring GGG, and all the interviews were pure shams only for show.

 

[zoobird]

Strasbourg have sacked Viera. https://x.com/RCSA/status/1813914550972141680

edit: reported as “by mutual consent” …

Trusted reporters say g he’s negotiating now. Just weird to me to raise expectations in the statement firing Berhalter and then immediately go back to rejected finalist from last time. And he’s not a “serial winner”, at least not as a manager.

Freddy likes him for some reason.

FREDDY ADU
@FreddyAdu

I know some of you are against this but looks like Patrick Viera just became available as well. He is a sleeper name to look out for in my opinion and he would immediately command respect from the players. I still maintain he would do well with this group.

Yikes - not high on my list at all. I don't think we should even consider interviewing anyone who hasn't either won somewhat consistently or had some national team experience somewhere. I know there are better jobs out there, but honestly don't think this is the worst job...especially given their hesitance to fire someone, once hired.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The US U23 team drew 1-1 with Spain in the last friendly before the Olympics start. Taylor booth with the goal.

 

[El Floppo]

The US U23 team drew 1-1 with Spain in the last friendly before the Olympics start. Taylor booth with the goal.

There's 1-1 draws and there's 1-1 draws... Any idea if the team was competitive and earned the draw, or if they scrapped a late goal against the run of play vs subs?

 

[NewlyRetired]

The US U23 team drew 1-1 with Spain in the last friendly before the Olympics start. Taylor booth with the goal.

There's 1-1 draws and there's 1-1 draws... Any idea if the team was competitive and earned the draw, or if they scrapped a late goal against the run of play vs subs?

sorry no. I don't even know if it was an open door game. I think after the game the teams agreed to go to PK's for extra practice.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I hope they protect this kid a little more. They made this mistake with Freddy, putting way too much on his shoulders way too early. The infrastructure is a million times better now in MLS but I am still not sure they should be putting a 14 year old on SportsCenter.

By the way, if this kids actually hits, it looks like we might finally have a personality to match the skill (no disrespect to Landon or Pulisic).

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[Sammy3469]

Strasbourg have sacked Viera. https://x.com/RCSA/status/1813914550972141680

edit: reported as “by mutual consent” …

Trusted reporters say g he’s negotiating now. Just weird to me to raise expectations in the statement firing Berhalter and then immediately go back to rejected finalist from last time. And he’s not a “serial winner”, at least not as a manager.

I am not sure rejected finalist is really accurate given the circumstances.

I do not think Viera interviewed and then every one sat down and discussed his strengths and weaknesses and decided GGG was a better candidate.

I think US Soccer knew from the jump they were rehiring GGG, and all the interviews were pure shams only for show.

I thought he was a better coach than GGG when he was with NYCFC, but since he's left it's been a lot of meh (which has frankly surprised me since from the outside it seemed like he knew what he was doing at NYC, but maybe that was more the rest of the coaches were even more meh). Reading the tea leaves, he's in good with the Reyna's (Claudio was the personnel guy at NYCFC when he was there)...which is "interesting" given what we all know has happened.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He's got some Dempsey in him for sure.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I hope they protect this kid a little more. They made this mistake with Freddy, putting way too much on his shoulders way too early. The infrastructure is a million times better now in MLS but I am still not sure they should be putting a 14 year old on SportsCenter.

By the way, if this kids actually hits, it looks like we might finally have a personality to match the skill (no disrespect to Landon or Pulisic).

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The Union have been a clown car this year, but if there’s one thing they do know, it’s how to handle academy kids. He’s got a really good infrastructure around him, including his older brother watching his back. He’ll be fine.

I also don’t necessarily expect to see him in the first team again this year. Anything is possible, but I think they mainly just wanted him to break Freddy’s record.

 

[El Floppo]

I hope they protect this kid a little more. They made this mistake with Freddy, putting way too much on his shoulders way too early. The infrastructure is a million times better now in MLS but I am still not sure they should be putting a 14 year old on SportsCenter.

By the way, if this kids actually hits, it looks like we might finally have a personality to match the skill (no disrespect to Landon or Pulisic).

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The Union have been a clown car this year, but if there’s one thing they do know, it’s how to handle academy kids. He’s got a really good infrastructure around him, including his older brother watching his back. He’ll be fine.

I also don’t necessarily expect to see him in the first team again this year. Anything is possible, but I think they mainly just wanted him to break Freddy’s record.

The sound bytes from curtin make it sound like he's ready. Open ended in terms of how many minutes at all, but that he's there. True or not

 

[NewlyRetired]

I hope they protect this kid a little more. They made this mistake with Freddy, putting way too much on his shoulders way too early. The infrastructure is a million times better now in MLS but I am still not sure they should be putting a 14 year old on SportsCenter.

By the way, if this kids actually hits, it looks like we might finally have a personality to match the skill (no disrespect to Landon or Pulisic).

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The Union have been a clown car this year, but if there’s one thing they do know, it’s how to handle academy kids. He’s got a really good infrastructure around him, including his older brother watching his back. He’ll be fine.

I also don’t necessarily expect to see him in the first team again this year. Anything is possible, but I think they mainly just wanted him to break Freddy’s record.

The sound bytes from curtin make it sound like he's ready. Open ended in terms of how many minutes at all, but that he's there. True or not

From Cavan's interview on SportsCenter, he certainly sounds like he does not expect this will be a one and done type of thing, for this season.

I assume he will still get occasional cameo's, when the game state dictates, and have the vast majority of his minutes come from the second team, which is fine for now. As I detailed the other day, everything he does between now and early next season is to convince the staff that he belongs on the squad in preseason for 2025.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Men in Blazers
@MenInBlazers


PATRICK VIEIRA wants the vacant USMNT head coaching job, per @FabrizioRomano, who also reports Vieira's former Arsenal & France teammate THIERRY HENRY is another candidate identified by US Soccer

 

[El Floppo]

Strasbourg have sacked Viera. https://x.com/RCSA/status/1813914550972141680

edit: reported as “by mutual consent” …

Trusted reporters say g he’s negotiating now. Just weird to me to raise expectations in the statement firing Berhalter and then immediately go back to rejected finalist from last time. And he’s not a “serial winner”, at least not as a manager.

I am not sure rejected finalist is really accurate given the circumstances.

I do not think Viera interviewed and then every one sat down and discussed his strengths and weaknesses and decided GGG was a better candidate.

I think US Soccer knew from the jump they were rehiring GGG, and all the interviews were pure shams only for show.

I thought he was a better coach than GGG when he was with NYCFC, but since he's left it's been a lot of meh (which has frankly surprised me since from the outside it seemed like he knew what he was doing at NYC, but maybe that was more the rest of the coaches were even more meh). Reading the tea leaves, he's in good with the Reyna's (Claudio was the personnel guy at NYCFC when he was there)...which is "interesting" given what we all know has happened.

I know nothing about him as a coach... loved him as a player.

Was he there during Maxi's run at NYC? Did he have a particular style or method with the team?

 

[Sammy3469]

Strasbourg have sacked Viera. https://x.com/RCSA/status/1813914550972141680

edit: reported as “by mutual consent” …

Trusted reporters say g he’s negotiating now. Just weird to me to raise expectations in the statement firing Berhalter and then immediately go back to rejected finalist from last time. And he’s not a “serial winner”, at least not as a manager.

I am not sure rejected finalist is really accurate given the circumstances.

I do not think Viera interviewed and then every one sat down and discussed his strengths and weaknesses and decided GGG was a better candidate.

I think US Soccer knew from the jump they were rehiring GGG, and all the interviews were pure shams only for show.

I thought he was a better coach than GGG when he was with NYCFC, but since he's left it's been a lot of meh (which has frankly surprised me since from the outside it seemed like he knew what he was doing at NYC, but maybe that was more the rest of the coaches were even more meh). Reading the tea leaves, he's in good with the Reyna's (Claudio was the personnel guy at NYCFC when he was there)...which is "interesting" given what we all know has happened.

I know nothing about him as a coach... loved him as a player.

Was he there during Maxi's run at NYC? Did he have a particular style or method with the team?

His second year was Pirlo, Villa, and Maxi. So it was possession, but honestly they were most dangerous when they went direct to Villa especially at Yankee stadium (ie they did change tactics as necessary)

So he had a ton of talent.

Do I think he's better than GGG, yes. Do I think he's so good tactically that he can figure out how to get us to the quarters, maybe, but he seems (from his results in Europe) to be third tier European manager (he's a mid to lower table manager whereas GGG is a second division manager). So I think its probably an upgrade, but is it enough of an upgrade to make a real difference, probably not.

Like I said in the initial post, the more interesting thing politically is his good connections with Claudio.

 

[McBokonon]

Fabs: ️ “Inter are planning to get Tanner Tessmann deal done this week, signing him from Venezia and then sending US midfielder on loan for one season.

Understand Ipswich Town and Feyenoord are two among many clubs showing interest in potential loan.“

Ipswich building a team that is going to dominate the Championship next year.

Never mind:

Fabs again:

Fabrizio Romano

@FabrizioRomano

Deal currently off between Tanner Tessmann and Inter despite the agreement between clubs with Venezia.No agreement on personal terms, deal now off.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Fabs: ️ “Inter are planning to get Tanner Tessmann deal done this week, signing him from Venezia and then sending US midfielder on loan for one season.

Understand Ipswich Town and Feyenoord are two among many clubs showing interest in potential loan.“

Ipswich building a team that is going to dominate the Championship next year.

Never mind:

Fabs again:
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano

Deal currently off between Tanner Tessmann and Inter despite the agreement between clubs with Venezia.No agreement on personal terms, deal now off.

oof. Our guys in Italy seem to feel they are being underpaid.

 

[encaitar]

Fabs: ️ “Inter are planning to get Tanner Tessmann deal done this week, signing him from Venezia and then sending US midfielder on loan for one season.

Understand Ipswich Town and Feyenoord are two among many clubs showing interest in potential loan.“

Ipswich building a team that is going to dominate the Championship next year.

Never mind:

Fabs again:
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano

Deal currently off between Tanner Tessmann and Inter despite the agreement between clubs with Venezia.No agreement on personal terms, deal now off.

oof. Our guys in Italy seem to feel they are being underpaid.

Italy doesn't pay the huge wages that some of the other big leagues do, but this might not only be about money. Tessman maybe doesn't see a ton of minutes for himself in Inter's lineup and would rather stay and get more playing time at Venezia over sitting on the bench at Inter.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Fabs: ️ “Inter are planning to get Tanner Tessmann deal done this week, signing him from Venezia and then sending US midfielder on loan for one season.

Understand Ipswich Town and Feyenoord are two among many clubs showing interest in potential loan.“

Ipswich building a team that is going to dominate the Championship next year.

Never mind:

Fabs again:
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano

Deal currently off between Tanner Tessmann and Inter despite the agreement between clubs with Venezia.No agreement on personal terms, deal now off.

oof. Our guys in Italy seem to feel they are being underpaid.

Italy doesn't pay the huge wages that some of the other big leagues do, but this might not only be about money. Tessman maybe doesn't see a ton of minutes for himself in Inter's lineup and would rather stay and get more playing time at Venezia over sitting on the bench at Inter.

He was never going to stay at Inter. Every tweet or story always mentioned he would immediately go on loan and it was expected to be Venezia for the loan.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Reminder: The US U20's play Jamaica in the first game of WCQing tonight (this is done in tournament format).

Game is at 10:00pm eastern on FS2

 

[NewlyRetired]

It never ends with this guy

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https://x.com/FabrizioRomano
Fabrizio Romano

@FabrizioRomano

Tyler Adams will miss start of the season after back surgery, got worse in Copa América as @sistoney67 reports.“It’s difficult to say how long but he won’t be fit for the start of the season. But September? October? I don’t know…”, says Andoni Iraola.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Nice start!

 

[NewlyRetired]

ok this could be a bad blow out.

Vasquez with a brace inside of 3 minutes

 

[NewlyRetired]

might need a calculator. 4-0 at 19 minutes.

 

[prefontaine]

ok this could be a bad blow out.

Jamaica is terrible. But even among their team, the goalie really stands out as atrocious

 

[NewlyRetired]

5-0 at half.

I only half joke that it feels like Jamaica mistakenly sent their U17 team. Not only are they completely out matched, they are unusually small.

 

[NewlyRetired]

ok this could be a bad blow out.

Jamaica is terrible. But even among their team, the goalie really stands out as atrocious

he looks like he is 12. This is really odd

 

[NewlyRetired]

Well I learned absolutely nothing about the U20 team tonight. What a mess. It finished 9-0 and could have been 14-0 easy.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is like the Alex Hannold thread. Everytime it's bumped I'm expecting to read about some crappy coach we hired.

 

[El Floppo]

Well I learned absolutely nothing about the U20 team tonight. What a mess. It finished 9-0 and could have been 14-0 easy.

I saw it after their first goal of the 2nd half.

Yeah. Jamaica a complete mess.

My takeaways- I like that they moved the ball quickly. All players in the field including GK were supremely confident and capable with the ball at their feet. Some guys in the middle of the park seemed eager and capable of turning their man off the initial pass and driving upfield (dangerous, but so little of that shown at the senior US level outside of Musah). Couple guys in the middle who showed really good vision (10 and 14 I think). I liked that they played the ball forward both wide and through the middle of the park.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Well I learned absolutely nothing about the U20 team tonight. What a mess. It finished 9-0 and could have been 14-0 easy.

I saw it after their first goal of the 2nd half.

Yeah. Jamaica a complete mess.

My takeaways- I like that they moved the ball quickly. All players in the field including GK were supremely confident and capable with the ball at their feet. Some guys in the middle of the park seemed eager and capable of turning their man off the initial pass and driving upfield (dangerous, but so little of that shown at the senior US level outside of Musah). Couple guys in the middle who showed really good vision (10 and 14 I think). I liked that they played the ball forward both wide and through the middle of the park.

The thing for me is that it is really easy to look good on the ball when there is zero pressure. Jamaica had absolutely no sense of how to play any form of structured defense. The gaps were massive. I still can't get over how small they looked, especially given the US appears to be an averaged sized team.

I did like how Nico (#10 for the US) drove the ball with pace though on the dribble.

As always these tournaments come down to a single game to qualify so hopefully they look good in the quarter finals. They should easily wrap up the group win by beating Cuba in game 2 since GD is the first tie breaker.

 

[El Floppo]

And thinking about it... Jamaican players played like amateurs. Horrible team shape, poor fitness, and sloppy touches at the wrong times. US wasn't perfect and showed some poor decision making at times (understandable up 6+ goals as guys started to glory it) but top to bottom played like young pros.

 

[prefontaine]

And thinking about it... Jamaican players played like amateurs. Horrible team shape, poor fitness, and sloppy touches at the wrong times. US wasn't perfect and showed some poor decision making at times (understandable up 6+ goals as guys started to glory it) but top to bottom played like young pros.

What's a little surprising about that is that this isn't close to our top squad. We had a ton of release issues and injuries. Per Marcus Chairez's most recent rankings, this roster has only 1 of the top 13 players in the 2005 class (Niko Tsakiris) and none of the top five in 2006.

However this tournament goes, this just shows how wide and deep our talent pool is becoming. Top prospects don't always turn out. Many of the secondary ones emerge.

 

[TennesseeJed]

We are never signing a new manager, are we?

 

[McBokonon]

We are never signing a new manager, are we?

No, but I think they’ve whittled down the Team Mom shortlist to 7.

 

[TennesseeJed]

We are never signing a new manager, are we?

No, but I think they’ve whittled down the Team Mom shortlist to 7.

Hmmm... we could use better orange slices at half-times.

 

[gianmarco]

We are never signing a new manager, are we?

No, but I think they’ve whittled down the Team Mom shortlist to 7.

6.

Landon refused.

 

[NewlyRetired]

And thinking about it... Jamaican players played like amateurs. Horrible team shape, poor fitness, and sloppy touches at the wrong times. US wasn't perfect and showed some poor decision making at times (understandable up 6+ goals as guys started to glory it) but top to bottom played like young pros.

What's a little surprising about that is that this isn't close to our top squad. We had a ton of release issues and injuries. Per Marcus Chairez's most recent rankings, this roster has only 1 of the top 13 players in the 2005 class (Niko Tsakiris) and none of the top five in 2006.

However this tournament goes, this just shows how wide and deep our talent pool is becoming. Top prospects don't always turn out. Many of the secondary ones emerge.

I also find it fascinating the gap between a top tier Concacaf team and a second tier Concacaf team at the youth levels (which is significantly bigger than at the senior level).

I am not always comfortable that the top tier teams get seeded directly into the tournament and every one else has to qualify but when you look at the game last night and then realize Jamaica won all their games to qualify, you can start to understand why the teams get seeded.

Having the US play a minnow at this youth level would be a waste of every ones time.

 

[prefontaine]

And thinking about it... Jamaican players played like amateurs. Horrible team shape, poor fitness, and sloppy touches at the wrong times. US wasn't perfect and showed some poor decision making at times (understandable up 6+ goals as guys started to glory it) but top to bottom played like young pros.

What's a little surprising about that is that this isn't close to our top squad. We had a ton of release issues and injuries. Per Marcus Chairez's most recent rankings, this roster has only 1 of the top 13 players in the 2005 class (Niko Tsakiris) and none of the top five in 2006.

However this tournament goes, this just shows how wide and deep our talent pool is becoming. Top prospects don't always turn out. Many of the secondary ones emerge.

I also find it fascinating the gap between a top tier Concacaf team and a second tier Concacaf team at the youth levels (which is significantly bigger than at the senior level).

I am not always comfortable that the top tier teams get seeded directly into the tournament and every one else has to qualify but when you look at the game last night and then realize Jamaica won all their games to qualify, you can start to understand why the teams get seeded.

Having the US play a minnow at this youth level would be a waste of every ones time.

It's really just the maturation of MLS academies. The gap is getting wider and wider. The best players on most of the other rosters are MLS academy prospects as well.

I do think it's going to translate at the senior level (and already does to an extent - even without many veterans we have been dominating CONCACAF the last few years).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I do think it's going to translate at the senior level

I was wondering about this last week. How many of the current USMNTers came up thru the academies?

I'm pretty sure on Adams and McKennie, Pepi, Aaronson and maybe Scally? It's not nothing, but it's not earthshaking either.

All of Pulisic, Weah, Dest, Antonee, Chris Richards, Johnny, LDLT, Reyna, Musah were "raised" overseas I think? That's really where the bulk of our teams strength is.

So maybe not enough has really changed for things to really change yet in terms of overall quality? And the "wave" is still 10-15 years down the road when a decade's worth of a nation's worth of the top kids were effectively raised in a pro environment from an early age?

That'd be the optimistic case, at least. I wouldn't die on that hill or anything, but maybe the academies are still tip-of-the-iceberging it?

 

[NewlyRetired]

I do think it's going to translate at the senior level

I was wondering about this last week. How many of the current USMNTers came up thru the academies?

I'm pretty sure on Adams and McKennie, Pepi, Aaronson and maybe Scally? It's not nothing, but it's not earthshaking either.

All of Pulisic, Weah, Dest, Antonee, Chris Richards, Johnny, LDLT, Reyna, Musah were "raised" overseas I think? That's really where the bulk of our teams strength is.

So maybe not enough has really changed for things to really change yet in terms of overall quality? And the "wave" is still 10-15 years down the road when a decade's worth of a nation's worth of the top kids were effectively raised in a pro environment from an early age?

That'd be the optimistic case, at least. I wouldn't die on that hill or anything, but maybe the academies are still tip-of-the-iceberging it?

Here is the full break down (using Copa roster + Dest)

Were not born or raised in US: Musah, Balogun, Dest, Tillmam, CCV, Jedi, Lund, Johnny

Were in MLS academies briefly before moving to Europe: Reyna, Moore, Weah

Came via college: Ream, Turner, Johnson, Miles

Were in MLS academies: Adams, Weston, Richards, Scally, Pepi, McKenzie, Haji, Aaronson

Went to Europe from a non MLS team: Horvath, LDLT, Sargent, Pulisic

 

[NewlyRetired]

I do think it's going to translate at the senior level

I was wondering about this last week. How many of the current USMNTers came up thru the academies?

I'm pretty sure on Adams and McKennie, Pepi, Aaronson and maybe Scally? It's not nothing, but it's not earthshaking either.

All of Pulisic, Weah, Dest, Antonee, Chris Richards, Johnny, LDLT, Reyna, Musah were "raised" overseas I think? That's really where the bulk of our teams strength is.

So maybe not enough has really changed for things to really change yet in terms of overall quality? And the "wave" is still 10-15 years down the road when a decade's worth of a nation's worth of the top kids were effectively raised in a pro environment from an early age?

That'd be the optimistic case, at least. I wouldn't die on that hill or anything, but maybe the academies are still tip-of-the-iceberging it?

Here is the full break down (using Copa roster + Dest)

Were not born or raised in US: Musah, Balogun, Dest, Tillmam, CCV, Jedi, Lund, Johnny

Were in MLS academies briefly before moving to Europe: Reyna, Moore, Weah

Came via college: Ream, Turner, Johnson, Miles

Were in MLS academies: Adams, Weston, Richards, Scally, Pepi, McKenzie, Haji, Aaronson

Went to Europe from a non MLS team: Horvath, LDLT, Sargent, Pulisic

The above shows that there are still many varied paths to the National team. It will be interesting to do this again 10 years from now to see what changes.

My guess is that all the categories will still be the same except that the college path will be gone.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Came via college: Ream, Turner, Johnson, Miles

So one field player under 36 who got there via college. That's a big change at least.

 

[TennesseeJed]

I am picturing Crocker in an office somewhere thinking: "I tired to tell everyone that I could not hire a better candidate..."

 

[prefontaine]

17-yo old Noahkai Banks traveled with Augsburg on their pre-season tour to South Africa.. Today he came on at the half. It's always hard to tell how serious it is when a youth team player gets these sort of opportunities - others can still be on holiday or hurt - but Banks definitely seems better off skipping the U20s.

 

[prefontaine]

16-year old left-back Peyton Miller is starting in a few for New England vs FC Dallas. With Dejuan Jones out for a few weeks, he may be getting a run of games.

 

[prefontaine]

Miller ended up as FotMob MOTM. He show pretty well going forward and hit the post early in the game before setting up NE's lone goal. He did get caught ball watching once that I saw but overall looked solid.

He and McFarlane both breaking thru in MLS right now. Maybe McFarlane sticks with England but if not, it's going to be a real knife fight between the two of them for a long time.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Cavan dressed again tonight but did not get in.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Cowell with a nice goal tonight. 3rd straight game scoring

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[prefontaine]

Cowell with a nice goal tonight. 3rd straight game scoring

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Would love if it all comes together for him, but he's going to have to have a long, consistent run of production before I get excited.

 

[El Floppo]

Cowell with a nice goal tonight. 3rd straight game scoring

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Would love if it all comes together for him, but he's going to have to have a long, consistent run of production before I get excited.

Inconsistency and decision making were my problems with him before his move to mex. Big ceiling, and goals like that seem well within his playbook (and that was a beaut) but then hes either switched off or dribbling or shooting when he should be passing. Always wants to be The Guy... which I love, but creates those poor decisions too much.